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2012-12-12 02:43:31 PM
5 votes:
Good, lets get rid of yet another divisive part of the human landscape that not only breeds tribalistic rivalries that we as a species should have outgrown hundreds of years ago, but also makes the rich richer on the public dime as cities bankrupt themselves to build monuments to violence and showmanship, and we can put the money blown on high school football to what matters, education.
2012-12-12 05:22:52 PM
2 votes:

Gyrfalcon: The NFL is concerned about cumulative head injuries and wants to prevent excessive spinal damage in its players....and somehow this is Obama's fault.

Wow.


The NFL wouldn't be concerned about any of that were it not for the lawsuits they are facing from hundreds of players right now.
2012-12-12 05:07:15 PM
2 votes:

Nobodyn0se: Philip Francis Queeg: Lost Thought 00: Philip Francis Queeg: Lost Thought 00: It's not Obama, it's private lawsuits that will kill the sport off, at least at the high school and college level.

Killing off football would be a great thing for University education in this country.

Maybe. You could make a case that it does help keep marginal schools in business since it is usually revenue positive

That's actually untrue. Only about 12% of college athletic programs are profitable. In most every state the highest paid state employee by a very large margin is a football or basketball coach.

Great job moving the goalposts.

Hint: "Football is usually revenue positive" and "Only about 12% of college athletic programs are profitable" are not mutually exclusive.


Hint: The money football makes doesn't help keep marginal schools in business if the athletic department as a whole is losing money.
2012-12-12 05:05:46 PM
2 votes:
Good. Fark football.
2012-12-12 05:05:41 PM
2 votes:

Cinaed: With the effects football as we know it has upon the players... either it has to adapt to be less harmful in the long-term for those who participate, or it will simply cease to exist.


Like boxing. No one would voluntarily suffer repeated blows to the head given what we know about the damage that causes.

Right?
2012-12-12 05:03:55 PM
2 votes:
With the effects football as we know it has upon the players... either it has to adapt to be less harmful in the long-term for those who participate, or it will simply cease to exist.
2012-12-12 04:51:01 PM
2 votes:

Lost Thought 00: It's not Obama, it's private lawsuits that will kill the sport off, at least at the high school and college level.


Killing off football would be a great thing for University education in this country.
2012-12-12 06:08:51 PM
1 votes:

Nobodyn0se: Philip Francis Queeg: Football programs are bad because they cost money
Everyone Else: Football programs don't cost money
Philip Francis Queeg: Football programs are bad because they cost money
Everyone Else: Football programs don't cost money
Philip Francis Queeg: Football programs are bad because they cost money
Everyone Else: Football programs don't cost money
Philip Francis Queeg: Football programs are bad because they cost money
Everyone Else: Football programs don't cost money

Is there any point in continuing, or should I just let him continue to herp and derp?


The issue really is pretty complicated, and the answer isn't the same for every school. Here comes the scrolling wall of text:

The college I work at recently added hockey as an intercollegiate sport. A hockey team is basically a guaranteed 30 FTE of students. That means kids in beds at the residence hall, eating at dining services, and butts in seats of classes that were running under capacity. It creates economies of scale in quite a few areas. The cost is the hockey coach's salary, paid for with state tax dollars/student tuition ("hard money" in higher ed finance terms), and usage of soft money (mostly student activity fee dollars) to help subsidize the program, which doesn't generate a profit by itself. It could be argued that the hard money being spent on a coach instead of instruction deviates from the organization's mission, and if activity fees are used to subsidize the program, that's just additional costs being pushed onto the students. On top of that, the reason behind adding hockey was to improve the likelihood that our new residence hall would run at near-full occupancy, cause if it hadn't we would've defaulted on our bond. Hockey has generated an increase in overall interest in the college from the community, and an increase in gifts to our Foundation, most of which is not restricted to the athletic programs and therefore helps fund scholarships and reduce educational costs for students who are both athletes and not athletes. The additional sport adds additional strain to many support functions of the college, specifically facilities and finance. Our fall campus housing was all spoken for in February, and now we're short on housing and the public perception is that we just built a dorm for athletes.

So...was adding hockey good or bad for us? I deal with the consequences of it daily, and I honestly don't know. People saying that football is inherently good or bad for colleges financially, without any evidence to fall back on, they're just full of shiat. Each school is going to have a different cost/benefit equation for their football/athletic programs, and to paint them all with the same brush is flat-out delusional.
2012-12-12 05:32:53 PM
1 votes:

js34603: Philip Francis Queeg: Corvus: Sure it does. How would killing football help if it's the rest of the athletic programs that is the cost drain and the football program is making money. You should instead be arguing for getting rid of all athletic programs BUT football if the argument was to make sense. Not only getting rid of foobtall.

Yep, get rid of them all and focus on education. That's what Universities exist to do. In time where University budgets for actual education are being slashed and tuitions are rising, it is nothing short of obscene that the budgets of athletic departments, including football, are off limits. In a time where teachers making $40,000 are attacked as greedy, it is farking absurd that there is never a complaint about paying the university football coach $2,500,000.

There are plenty of Universities that don't have football or athletic programs. If you have any evidence they are providing better educations to their students than universities with football programs, than spit it out.

Otherwise, you're just making up numbers and trying to obfuscate the argument with your random opinions about athletic budgets and whether football coaches are worth what they're paid.


Please point out which numbers are made up.
2012-12-12 05:31:35 PM
1 votes:

Nobodyn0se: Philip Francis Queeg: Yep, get rid of them all and focus on education. That's what Universities exist to do. In time where University budgets for actual education are being slashed and tuitions are rising, it is nothing short of obscene that the budgets of athletic departments, including football, are off limits. In a time where teachers making $40,000 are attacked as greedy, it is farking absurd that there is never a complaint about paying the university football coach $2,500,000.

Football. Programs. Are. Profitable.

How many times must this be repeated? If you got rid of football, the lack of funds for education would get WORSE, not better.


Football. Profits. Do. Not. Fund. Education.

How many times must this be repeated?
2012-12-12 05:23:23 PM
1 votes:
Years from now people will look back on football and boxing and shake their heads that we were so barbaric.
But it'll be many years.
2012-12-12 05:22:16 PM
1 votes:

Corvus: Sure it does. How would killing football help if it's the rest of the athletic programs that is the cost drain and the football program is making money. You should instead be arguing for getting rid of all athletic programs BUT football if the argument was to make sense. Not only getting rid of foobtall.


Yep, get rid of them all and focus on education. That's what Universities exist to do. In time where University budgets for actual education are being slashed and tuitions are rising, it is nothing short of obscene that the budgets of athletic departments, including football, are off limits. In a time where teachers making $40,000 are attacked as greedy, it is farking absurd that there is never a complaint about paying the university football coach $2,500,000.
2012-12-12 05:16:39 PM
1 votes:

Philip Francis Queeg: Nobodyn0se: Philip Francis Queeg: Lost Thought 00: Philip Francis Queeg: Lost Thought 00: It's not Obama, it's private lawsuits that will kill the sport off, at least at the high school and college level.

Killing off football would be a great thing for University education in this country.

Maybe. You could make a case that it does help keep marginal schools in business since it is usually revenue positive

That's actually untrue. Only about 12% of college athletic programs are profitable. In most every state the highest paid state employee by a very large margin is a football or basketball coach.

Great job moving the goalposts.

Hint: "Football is usually revenue positive" and "Only about 12% of college athletic programs are profitable" are not mutually exclusive.

Hint: The money football makes doesn't help keep marginal schools in business if the athletic department as a whole is losing money.


Sure it does. How would killing football help if it's the rest of the athletic programs that is the cost drain and the football program is making money. You should instead be arguing for getting rid of all athletic programs BUT football if the argument was to make sense. Not only getting rid of foobtall.
2012-12-12 05:15:57 PM
1 votes:

Nobodyn0se: Philip Francis Queeg: Nobodyn0se: Philip Francis Queeg: Lost Thought 00: Philip Francis Queeg: Lost Thought 00: It's not Obama, it's private lawsuits that will kill the sport off, at least at the high school and college level.

Killing off football would be a great thing for University education in this country.

Maybe. You could make a case that it does help keep marginal schools in business since it is usually revenue positive

That's actually untrue. Only about 12% of college athletic programs are profitable. In most every state the highest paid state employee by a very large margin is a football or basketball coach.

Great job moving the goalposts.

Hint: "Football is usually revenue positive" and "Only about 12% of college athletic programs are profitable" are not mutually exclusive.

Hint: The money football makes doesn't help keep marginal schools in business if the athletic department as a whole is losing money.

I agree, but that's not what the argument was about. The argument was about college football specifically, not college sports in general.

Stick to the topic at hand please.


I am sticking to the topic. Running the NFL minor leagues does nothing to help the vast majority of universities educate students.
2012-12-12 05:15:27 PM
1 votes:
College football is shameful. A lot of people are making a lot of money off of college football, but the kids who are risking serious brain injury don't see any of it. It's total bullshiat. Some kid is on TV in front of millions of people and can't even get a new phone out of it or anything.

/or get some "escorts" brought to his room.
//It's bullshiat I tell ya! Bullshiat!
2012-12-12 05:05:06 PM
1 votes:

Rapmaster2000: I haven't watched the NFL since they banned crackback blocks, leg whips, and nunchucks. It's a woman's game now.


If they gave all of the players nunchucks I might actually watch a game.
2012-12-12 04:59:19 PM
1 votes:

Lost Thought 00: Philip Francis Queeg: Lost Thought 00: It's not Obama, it's private lawsuits that will kill the sport off, at least at the high school and college level.

Killing off football would be a great thing for University education in this country.

Maybe. You could make a case that it does help keep marginal schools in business since it is usually revenue positive


That's actually untrue. Only about 12% of college athletic programs are profitable. In most every state the highest paid state employee by a very large margin is a football or basketball coach.
2012-12-12 04:58:42 PM
1 votes:
Particuarly enjoyed the part where Limbaugh is telling us that "they will throw the race angle into it. Just watch." What I just watched was Limbaugh throwing the race angle into it.

Fark you, you fat, drug addicted boy diddler. You lasted on ESPN what? 20 minutes? And why did you get fired from ESPN Rush? Oh yeah, because you forgot that this country doesn't think like your hateful Metamucil swilling audience and you tried running your crypto-racist line of crap on national TV and got fired for it.

But mainly Rush, you're an Eagles fan, so fark you double.



/all for the 4th and 15 instead of kickoffs.
//And every time a team scores, the opposing team's cheerleaders must remove 1 article of clothing
2012-12-12 04:57:03 PM
1 votes:
Hey remember what Obama did about guns!!!!


/a:nothing.
2012-12-12 04:56:43 PM
1 votes:

LiquidTester: kronicfeld: Marcus Aurelius: If you will recall, his latest fevered brainstorm is a 4th and 15 in lieu of the kickoff.

Except it wasn't his, it was Greg Schiano's. And he wasn't advocating for it, he was citing it as an example of an alternative to kickoffs that had been submitted to the Competition Committee.

I like this idea. I don't like the new kickoff rules since returns are so rare. But honestly, if you can't put any of your good players on something that happens 4 times a game because it's too dangerous, something has to change.


Why not just substitute the kick off for 1st and 10 at your 20? Seems like a no-brainer if you're getting rid of kick offs.
2012-12-12 04:56:31 PM
1 votes:
Shouldn't American conservatives be all for that?

Isn't American football rather communistic compared to real football? What with the draft to make things 'fair' and no real chance of failure for losing teams by being relegated. It all sounds very much like something a true conservative should be appaled by.
2012-12-12 04:55:37 PM
1 votes:

vegasj: I wonder if Belcher was on anything... like anti-depressants or other "ma'm, your son is a bit slow/hyper" drugs...


Seems today, schools, Dr's, & authority are quick to medicate America's kids


You're always this paranoid about shiat, aren't you?
2012-12-12 04:49:39 PM
1 votes:
It's OK, if they take away football I'm sure all the football players will easily be able to find new jobs with the fine educations they received.
2012-12-12 04:49:32 PM
1 votes:
It's not Obama, it's private lawsuits that will kill the sport off, at least at the high school and college level.
2012-12-12 04:48:56 PM
1 votes:
Why would Obama need to do anything? I think Goodell's doing a fine job by himself.
2012-12-12 04:45:57 PM
1 votes:
I liked the ad on the side of the article:

37 things you SHOULD hoard!!!!

I cant think of 37 things I need, let alone hoard...
2012-12-12 04:19:36 PM
1 votes:
A WND article relying on the brain power of Rush Limbaugh and Dennis Miller.

Maximum derp.
2012-12-12 04:18:11 PM
1 votes:
I haven't watched the NFL since they banned crackback blocks, leg whips, and nunchucks. It's a woman's game now.
2012-12-12 03:48:28 PM
1 votes:
I like how Bob Costas, a newspaper mommy-columnist and a brain trauma expert are now the government.
2012-12-12 02:30:33 PM
1 votes:

St_Francis_P: Diogenes: Unfounded fearmongering? In MY WND?

Hardly unfounded. Rush Limbaugh is concerned.


It's probably just gas.
2012-12-12 02:28:02 PM
1 votes:
I loved the part where they used a quote from a head trauma expert, then contrasted it with a quote from drug addict Rush Limbaugh.
2012-12-12 02:25:27 PM
1 votes:
Unfounded fearmongering? In MY WND?
 
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