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(The Daily Beast)   Mall employee on shooting: "I wish my boyfriend was there. He's played a lot of Call of Duty and has a lot of knowledge about guns and what to do in a tight spot"   (thedailybeast.com ) divider line
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2012-12-12 02:36:36 PM  
"Hon, you stay here, I'm going to go tell the shooter his mother is a whore and try to get him to ragequit."
 
2012-12-12 02:38:45 PM  
And what is his name, this guy/
the employee?
 
2012-12-12 02:39:33 PM  

itsdan: "Hon, you stay here, I'm going to go tell the shooter his mother is a whore and try to get him to ragequit."


Done in 1...
 
2012-12-12 02:39:39 PM  
Sure he does hon... it's called respawn.
 
2012-12-12 02:39:59 PM  
This chick's a keeper. She'd believe anything you told her.
 
GBB
2012-12-12 02:39:59 PM  
t2.gstatic.com
 
2012-12-12 02:40:07 PM  
It's a well known fact that the marine core watches online game boards and tries to recruit the elite Call of Duty gamers.
 
2012-12-12 02:41:03 PM  
I'd whiteknight her to you but I have to be at the mall in 26 minutes.
 
2012-12-12 02:41:14 PM  

GBB: [t2.gstatic.com image 237x212]


Beat me by ten seconds.
 
2012-12-12 02:41:28 PM  
let me just edit this sentence for my own amusement...

"I wish my boyfriend was there. [He]... has a lot of knowledge about ... what to do in a tight spot"

that's what she said.
 
2012-12-12 02:42:04 PM  
So there is hope for Freepers after all?


Good to know...good to know...
 
2012-12-12 02:43:56 PM  
Let's check in and see in this simulation how well that CoD and the Airsoft folks do with real firearms (shooting real ammo tipped with paint blotters) and in a simulation based on recent events....

Pops
 
2012-12-12 02:44:25 PM  
If her "boyfriend" plays Call of Duty so much, he's never been in a "tight spot" in his life.
 
2012-12-12 02:44:55 PM  
If he was really on top of things, he would have noticed the shooter was firing an AR-15, and then simply waited for the thing to jam.
 
2012-12-12 02:45:11 PM  
Somehow I think his skills of sucking down Mt Dew and Cheetos while screaming "Motherfarking whore" Would help much
 
2012-12-12 02:45:25 PM  
Well she has a point. He only got a 2 kill streak. You need 3 to even get a UAV.
 
2012-12-12 02:45:38 PM  
No she did--

*reads article*

...Oh...yes...yes she did.

For that alone, this thread should consist solely of facepalm pics.
 
2012-12-12 02:45:55 PM  

ChipNASA: If her "boyfriend" plays Call of Duty so much, he's never been in a "tight spot" in his life.


Maybe her snatch??
 
2012-12-12 02:46:12 PM  
For her sake, I hope she's hot.
 
2012-12-12 02:46:43 PM  

Coiled Hot 1: ChipNASA: If her "boyfriend" plays Call of Duty so much, he's never been in a "tight spot" in his life.

Maybe her snatch??


That's a boatload of wishful thinking there Francis
 
2012-12-12 02:47:33 PM  
Actually, that makes a bit of sense. COD gives you a good sense of taking cover and tactical situations. Not much good though for a unarmed civilian in that type of situation.
 
2012-12-12 02:47:35 PM  
"He's played a lot of Call of Duty and has a lot of knowledge about guns and what to do in a tight spot."

I know what she means. I've played a lot of Warhammer40k, so I know how to handle Ork invasions.
 
2012-12-12 02:48:05 PM  
If she was my daughter I'd have a vasectomy.
 
2012-12-12 02:48:50 PM  
Well if she had just been packing an M-4 or P90 then this whole tragedy could have been avoided. All she would have had to do is put a three round burst right into the guys eye and nobody else would have had to have gotten killed.
 
2012-12-12 02:49:09 PM  
bunny hopping and running around akimbo while screaming racists comments is no way to go through life son.
 
2012-12-12 02:49:26 PM  
Well he's got a gf. Can't say that about most farkers
 
2012-12-12 02:49:27 PM  

offmymeds: "He's played a lot of Call of Duty and has a lot of knowledge about guns and what to do in a tight spot."

I know what she means. I've played a lot of Warhammer40k, so I know how to handle Ork invasions.


I've played a lot of Batteltech, so I know how to handle a 70 ton walking tank.
 
2012-12-12 02:49:31 PM  

offmymeds: "He's played a lot of Call of Duty and has a lot of knowledge about guns and what to do in a tight spot."

I know what she means. I've played a lot of Warhammer40k, so I know how to handle Ork invasions.


Obviously, you stand on the highest pile of corpses you can and fire your pistol into the air.
 
2012-12-12 02:49:53 PM  
"Well, hey, I didn't spend all those years playing Dungeons and Dragons and not learn a little something about courage"
 
2012-12-12 02:50:44 PM  
I was going to write a whole "this is part of the problem" post. But then I had an aneurism from the stupid.
 
2012-12-12 02:50:53 PM  

GBB: [t2.gstatic.com image 237x212]


We have a winner. Well done.
 
2012-12-12 02:51:31 PM  
So her boyfriend would have killed 5 innocent people to get a UAV killstreak to locate the shooter, then kill 2 more civilians to unlock his harrier and then use the harrier to take down the shooter?
 
2012-12-12 02:51:44 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: offmymeds: "He's played a lot of Call of Duty and has a lot of knowledge about guns and what to do in a tight spot."

I know what she means. I've played a lot of Warhammer40k, so I know how to handle Ork invasions.

I've played a lot of Batteltech, so I know how to handle a 70 ton walking tank.


I've played a lot with myself. I know how to handle pricks.
 
2012-12-12 02:51:48 PM  

Abuse Liability: Coiled Hot 1: ChipNASA: If her "boyfriend" plays Call of Duty so much, he's never been in a "tight spot" in his life.

Maybe her snatch??

That's a boatload of wishful thinking there Francis


Maybe your mom then, oh wait never mind. Francis....
 
2012-12-12 02:51:55 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: offmymeds: "He's played a lot of Call of Duty and has a lot of knowledge about guns and what to do in a tight spot."

I know what she means. I've played a lot of Warhammer40k, so I know how to handle Ork invasions.

I've played a lot of Batteltech, so I know how to handle a 70 ton walking tank.


I want fusion reactors so those can become real...I'd join whatever I had to to pilot one of them things.
 
2012-12-12 02:52:06 PM  
If he played BF3, he would have single seated him with a TV missle.
 
2012-12-12 02:52:11 PM  

Glancing Blow: If she was my daughter I'd have a vasectomy.

Only Richard Mourdock thinks an post-birth vasectomy prevents the conception.
 
2012-12-12 02:52:41 PM  
dl.dropbox.com

ChipNASA: If her "boyfriend" plays Call of Duty so much, he's never been in a "tight spot" in his life.


Her Boyfriend works as a model.
He's from Canada... you havn't met him.
 
2012-12-12 02:54:46 PM  
Too bad it's not battlefield 1942 and the lot is full of volvos... lay a couple mines on one and hop in with 3 friends. you'll be invisible.

Spoken by a guy who played entirely too much of that game years ago
 
2012-12-12 02:55:11 PM  
I'm still waiting for a controller that can buck like a gun. All they have are pussy "vibrations" so that my hands can feel when I blow up gas depots and sh*t.

http://bvvp...bvvp....bvvvvvvvvvvvvvvp/
 
2012-12-12 02:55:21 PM  
He bagged her by drawing a picture of her. He spent like 3 hours just shading the upper lip. Then he caught her a delicious bass.
 
2012-12-12 02:55:27 PM  
I've played a lot of Borderlands, so I know how to handle exploding midgets.
 
2012-12-12 02:55:37 PM  
Hmmm, I'm going to personally send this kid to down to Thunder Ranch, or to one of Hilton Yam or Larry Vickers' training courses. Let's see what he does in the realworld.
 
2012-12-12 02:56:02 PM  
Hope he's a Buddhist as well if he thinks respawning is an option.
 
2012-12-12 02:56:04 PM  
I wish I knew why, when I change text to italics, that http:// is added.
 
2012-12-12 02:56:19 PM  
"I'm stuck in the back room of build a bear," added @RyFrisco.

Surround yourself with stuffing!
 
2012-12-12 02:56:57 PM  
Someone actually said that stupid sh*t? I mean, someone actually put those words together into that sentence, and then said it out loud? Wow.
 
2012-12-12 02:57:13 PM  
I can see where having played those types of games might make one better suited than the average person to getting out of a hairy situation involving gunfire. Even in an FPS game cover and concealment are critical. An instinctive understanding of the fact that reload cycle takes time might save somebody's life. Maybe you see the mass shooter drop his AR and pull out a pistol at 50 yards and know that he probably doesn't have a chance in hell of hitting you and you take that moment to run. Or knowing that checking behind you is key.

Not saying it makes anybody an expert at small arms combat, only that some things might be learned that otherwise you would be ignorant of.
 
2012-12-12 02:57:40 PM  

ChipNASA: If her "boyfriend" plays Call of Duty so much, he's never been in a "tight spot" in his life.


Maybe it's a loose spot, and she's just flattering herself?
 
2012-12-12 02:57:50 PM  

Pockafrusta: If he played BF3, he would have single seated him with a TV missle.


Hahahahaha. Classic.

"I wish my boyfriend were here. He plays a lot of Battlefield 3, so he would have hopped in a jet, flew it to the mall, jumped out, and then while parachuting down no-scoped that punk out of his vehicle on his way to do the shooting."
 
2012-12-12 02:58:13 PM  

BHShaman: Let's check in and see in this simulation how well that CoD and the Airsoft folks do with real firearms (shooting real ammo tipped with paint blotters) and in a simulation based on recent events....

Pops


Pretty much what I expected.

Though I have to say, I am surprised there are not more cases each year of a CCW holder shooting a black man putting his hand into his pocket because "He was going for his gun"
 
2012-12-12 02:58:52 PM  
I've played a lot of Techmo Super Bowl in my day, but the Patriots still aren't returning my calls.

/their loss
 
2012-12-12 02:58:57 PM  
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2012-12-12 02:59:00 PM  
Retards, retards everywhere!
 
2012-12-12 02:59:23 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: I can see where having played those types of games might make one better suited than the average person to getting out of a hairy situation involving gunfire. Even in an FPS game cover and concealment are critical. An instinctive understanding of the fact that reload cycle takes time might save somebody's life. Maybe you see the mass shooter drop his AR and pull out a pistol at 50 yards and know that he probably doesn't have a chance in hell of hitting you and you take that moment to run. Or knowing that checking behind you is key.

Not saying it makes anybody an expert at small arms combat, only that some things might be learned that otherwise you would be ignorant of.


It also helps if you have auto-aim turned on.
 
2012-12-12 02:59:37 PM  

BHShaman: Pops


thanks for that link I should post that on a friend of mine's facebook page since he posts CCW articles literally all the time and praises people who carry and thinks that anybody can pick off people.
 
2012-12-12 02:59:37 PM  
Goddammit Leeroy.
 
2012-12-12 02:59:41 PM  
Well, I've played lots of CoD...

Option 1: Sprint across the room and try and melee-kill the guy from behind, hoping like fark he doesn't have "last stand" on.
Option 2: Camp like a noob and wait till it's all over.

Something tells me I'd take option 2.
 
2012-12-12 02:59:52 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: I can see where having played those types of games might make one better suited than the average person to getting out of a hairy situation involving gunfire. Even in an FPS game cover and concealment are critical. An instinctive understanding of the fact that reload cycle takes time might save somebody's life. Maybe you see the mass shooter drop his AR and pull out a pistol at 50 yards and know that he probably doesn't have a chance in hell of hitting you and you take that moment to run. Or knowing that checking behind you is key.

Not saying it makes anybody an expert at small arms combat, only that some things might be learned that otherwise you would be ignorant of.


You also learn never to stand near red barrels.
 
2012-12-12 03:01:19 PM  

Jument: For her sake, I hope she's hot.


Is this her?

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2012-12-12 03:01:25 PM  
Right Hon, your BF would wet his pants
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2012-12-12 03:01:52 PM  

way south: [dl.dropbox.com image 311x311]

ChipNASA: If her "boyfriend" plays Call of Duty so much, he's never been in a "tight spot" in his life.

Her Boyfriend works as a model.
He's from Canada... you havn't met him.


Funny thing is, if Call of Duty is where they're getting their knowledge from, they're that much more screwed.

/For example, in COD's Russia, their armed forces are supplied mainly by Israeli and Belgian arms manufacturers
//That's just one of the obvious bits
///Ever notice in those games when the front sight disappears from the M16s whenever you mount an optic? Notice what else goes with it? Hint: in real life, no more firing in full or even semi-auto when it's gone
 
2012-12-12 03:02:26 PM  
like what you dumb biatch?

spawn camp?

have a 10 yr old to suck his fragg'n cawk???

/hate COD players
 
2012-12-12 03:03:23 PM  
I played a lot of Quake 2, Clan Arena. So I know everything there is to know about shooting an explosive at your feet and jumping at the same time it explodes, so that I can propel myself at nearly the speed of sound through hallways full of sharp corners. The key is bunny hopping.
 
2012-12-12 03:03:39 PM  
When he's not playing COD they're both in bed making hot passionate love to a domino's philly cheese steak pizza. There's no love like a warrior's love.
 
2012-12-12 03:04:00 PM  

Glancing Blow: [img341.imageshack.us image 300x448]

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wrong thread.....unless there's a hidden meaning with your post.
 
2012-12-12 03:04:04 PM  
Dude, dude, I hear ya. After I saw The World at War on TV, man, like, Bataan and Tobruk NEVER would have fallen if I'd been there, dude.
 
2012-12-12 03:04:15 PM  

DarkPascual: itsdan: "Hon, you stay here, I'm going to go tell the shooter his mother is a whore and try to get him to ragequit."

Done in 1...


Agreed,done in 1
 
2012-12-12 03:04:47 PM  

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I'd take a shot at her

 
2012-12-12 03:08:56 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: I can see where having played those types of games might make one better suited than the average person to getting out of a hairy situation involving gunfire. Even in an FPS game cover and concealment are critical. An instinctive understanding of the fact that reload cycle takes time might save somebody's life. Maybe you see the mass shooter drop his AR and pull out a pistol at 50 yards and know that he probably doesn't have a chance in hell of hitting you and you take that moment to run. Or knowing that checking behind you is key.

Not saying it makes anybody an expert at small arms combat, only that some things might be learned that otherwise you would be ignorant of.


Yeah but if he's got quick hands perk enabled, it's going to be hard to predict those reloads...
 
2012-12-12 03:09:16 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: Insatiable Jesus: I can see where having played those types of games might make one better suited than the average person to getting out of a hairy situation involving gunfire. Even in an FPS game cover and concealment are critical. An instinctive understanding of the fact that reload cycle takes time might save somebody's life. Maybe you see the mass shooter drop his AR and pull out a pistol at 50 yards and know that he probably doesn't have a chance in hell of hitting you and you take that moment to run. Or knowing that checking behind you is key.

Not saying it makes anybody an expert at small arms combat, only that some things might be learned that otherwise you would be ignorant of.

You also learn never to stand near red barrels.


"Watch out for the Grenade Danger Indicator".

Also, you can reload after every shot and you get to keep the bullets from the partially-spent mag

P.S.: If you get shot, lie down for 10 seconds until your body has healed.
 
2012-12-12 03:10:42 PM  

BHShaman: Let's check in and see in this simulation how well that CoD and the Airsoft folks do with real firearms (shooting real ammo tipped with paint blotters) and in a simulation based on recent events....

Pops


dude, you posted a link to a video by ABC for one... and that has 1,630 thumbs up yet 19,557 thumbs down. Can't find a better anti-gun source?

 
2012-12-12 03:11:01 PM  
I only play 'Hello Kitty adventure island' and never leave the house which virtually eliminates the possibility of being a victim of this sort of crime.

/People still go to the mall?
 
2012-12-12 03:11:43 PM  
People who learned about guns from the news, movies, TV, video games, f'ing politicians...

This is why when I teach a new shooter, we do the first lesson in a room with no ammo in it.

The more they think they know, the longer you spend unteaching them.

Frankly, this is why the women new-shooters get better, faster, than the men.

Well, that, and they actually listen to my daughter when she's showing them how to use her pink .22 AR-15 rather than just thinking "That's so cute!" Mister Call-Of-Duty, my tiny half-asian 9-year-old can outshoot your punk ass with her suppressed My Little Pony M-Forgery because she only knows real guns. She gets on the trigger and its Srs Bzns.
 
2012-12-12 03:12:20 PM  
That made me think of the time I watch my nephew playing Call of Duty and he was trying to impress me with the game and it realism, because he knows that I have been in combat many times. I listened to him tell me how this is just like real combat as his player ran through the middle of an empty parking lot getting shot many times in the process. Yep that is just the way I fought too.
 
2012-12-12 03:13:05 PM  

LeroyBourne: When he's not playing COD they're both in bed making hot passionate love to a domino's philly cheese steak pizza. There's no love like a warrior's love.


Domino's philly cheese steak pizza is my preferred partner (I frakkin love those things).

/former Infantryman so I got a kick out of her comments.
 
2012-12-12 03:13:09 PM  
Well, after reading all of the comments so far, I think we can all pretty much agree that computer games and real life are virtually one and the same.
 
2012-12-12 03:14:24 PM  
BHShaman: Let's check in and see in this simulation how well that CoD and the Airsoft folks do with real firearms (shooting real ammo tipped with paint blotters) and in a simulation based on recent events....

Pops

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Pretty much what I figured. All of that time and money spent at the range means a helluva lot less than having control over your lizard brain when the shiat hits the fan. I experienced this first hand when learning to skydive. You begin to get upset during your training for that first AFF because they make you go through your procedures OVER and OVER again. All you really have to do is hold a box position and then find your ass to pull the pud. How hard can it be to find your ass? Not hard on the ground. But while falling out of the sky it becomes a little more difficult. Your brain goes into survival mode, you experience temporal disorientation and can stumble or freeze on the simplest of steps. But as you jump more, the Circle of Awareness begins to open up and what you remember will more closely resemble what you see on video later.

I would say that CCW holders would do themselves a great service by learning to skydive or engaging in some other thrill sport that invokes the lizard brain and learn to make friends with it because it is not your friend the first time you meet it.
 
2012-12-12 03:14:30 PM  

Profedius: That made me think of the time I watch my nephew playing Call of Duty and he was trying to impress me with the game and it realism, because he knows that I have been in combat many times. I listened to him tell me how this is just like real combat as his player ran through the middle of an empty parking lot getting shot many times in the process. Yep that is just the way I fought too.


Finally somebody put your nephew in his place.
 
2012-12-12 03:15:05 PM  
She means die, right?

plausdeny: People who learned about guns from the news, movies, TV, video games, f'ing politicians...

This is why when I teach a new shooter, we do the first lesson in a room with no ammo in it.

The more they think they know, the longer you spend unteaching them.

Frankly, this is why the women new-shooters get better, faster, than the men.

Well, that, and they actually listen to my daughter when she's showing them how to use her pink .22 AR-15 rather than just thinking "That's so cute!" Mister Call-Of-Duty, my tiny half-asian 9-year-old can outshoot your punk ass with her suppressed My Little Pony M-Forgery because she only knows real guns. She gets on the trigger and its Srs Bzns.


THIS^^^

Absolutely right. I knew a clinical professor of abdominal surgery once who told me "I can teach someone how to cut in about three months. It takes the other four years and nine months to teach them when not to cut." He was using hyperbole, of course, but his point was correct.
 
2012-12-12 03:16:34 PM  
"I wish my boyfriend was there. He's played a lot of Combat Arms and has a lot of knowledge about hacking and hurling Portuguese cuss words and racial slurs."

FTFM
 
2012-12-12 03:19:54 PM  

vegasj: BHShaman: Let's check in and see in this simulation how well that CoD and the Airsoft folks do with real firearms (shooting real ammo tipped with paint blotters) and in a simulation based on recent events....

Pops

dude, you posted a link to a video by ABC for one... and that has 1,630 thumbs up yet 19,557 thumbs down. Can't find a better anti-gun source?



Youtube downvotes.... destroyer of facts.
 
2012-12-12 03:21:56 PM  
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2012-12-12 03:22:04 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: I can see where having played those types of games might make one better suited than the average person to getting out of a hairy situation involving gunfire. Even in an FPS game cover and concealment are critical. An instinctive understanding of the fact that reload cycle takes time might save somebody's life. Maybe you see the mass shooter drop his AR and pull out a pistol at 50 yards and know that he probably doesn't have a chance in hell of hitting you and you take that moment to run. Or knowing that checking behind you is key.

Not saying it makes anybody an expert at small arms combat, only that some things might be learned that otherwise you would be ignorant of.


That and sight picture, but that's about all I can think of.
 
2012-12-12 03:22:19 PM  
maybe BF would have been there had he not been playing CoD :(
 
2012-12-12 03:24:43 PM  

Sweaty Dynamite: [i641.photobucket.com image 360x236]


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2012-12-12 03:25:57 PM  
I play a lot of Galaga, so I know how to defend against flying aliens.
 
2012-12-12 03:26:17 PM  
puppetmaster745: Insatiable Jesus: I can see where having played those types of games might make one better suited than the average person to getting out of a hairy situation involving gunfire. Even in an FPS game cover and concealment are critical. An instinctive understanding of the fact that reload cycle takes time might save somebody's life. Maybe you see the mass shooter drop his AR and pull out a pistol at 50 yards and know that he probably doesn't have a chance in hell of hitting you and you take that moment to run. Or knowing that checking behind you is key.

Not saying it makes anybody an expert at small arms combat, only that some things might be learned that otherwise you would be ignorant of.

That and sight picture, but that's about all I can think of.


---------------------------

I'm not even talking about an armed gamer.

I'm just thinking about how an unarmed person might benefit from something they learned playing that a non-player might not know. If you are cowering behind a counter with your family, the shooter stops nearby and you hear a mag release followed by a mag hitting the floor - well, maybe you know you've got a few seconds to jump up and beat that animal to death with the butt of his AR.
 
2012-12-12 03:27:12 PM  

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Numchuck skills... bowhunting skills... computer hacking skills...
Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills. Gah!

 
2012-12-12 03:27:49 PM  
vegasj: BHShaman: Let's check in and see in this simulation how well that CoD and the Airsoft folks do with real firearms (shooting real ammo tipped with paint blotters) and in a simulation based on recent events....

Pops

dude, you posted a link to a video by ABC for one... and that has 1,630 thumbs up yet 19,557 thumbs down. Can't find a better anti-gun source?

------------------------

Did you even watch it and have any specific disagreement with their conclusions and methodology or do I need to add you to the derplist?
 
2012-12-12 03:30:03 PM  
*reads headline 

i216.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-12 03:31:20 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: I can see where having played those types of games might make one better suited than the average person to getting out of a hairy situation involving gunfire. Even in an FPS game cover and concealment are critical. An instinctive understanding of the fact that reload cycle takes time might save somebody's life. Maybe you see the mass shooter drop his AR and pull out a pistol at 50 yards and know that he probably doesn't have a chance in hell of hitting you and you take that moment to run. Or knowing that checking behind you is key.

Not saying it makes anybody an expert at small arms combat, only that some things might be learned that otherwise you would be ignorant of.


You are grossly overestimating the thought process of the kids that play Call of Duty.
 
2012-12-12 03:31:24 PM  

Blues_X: vegasj: BHShaman: Let's check in and see in this simulation how well that CoD and the Airsoft folks do with real firearms (shooting real ammo tipped with paint blotters) and in a simulation based on recent events....

Pops

dude, you posted a link to a video by ABC for one... and that has 1,630 thumbs up yet 19,557 thumbs down. Can't find a better anti-gun source?


Youtube downvotes.... destroyer of facts.


Or you could just look at the video and form your own doubts there.

I can't really profess to know what the typical duration of a trip to the range is, but if one was serious at all about shooting, I'd imagine they'd bypass 100 hours relatively quickly. Then the question comes up of how much of that would be actual crisis or combat training. And of course, there's also a question of familiarity with the weapon to begin with - if that 100 hours was spent largely shooting at old tin cans with Grandpappy's Ruger Mk. II, that's a whole different ball game than a 9mm Glock. Larger gun, larger bullet, different trigger - the average person won't get to know things like that in a matter of minutes.
 
2012-12-12 03:33:41 PM  
Life is short, respawn often.
 
2012-12-12 03:33:58 PM  
If the victims had just played more Borderlands, they could've thrown Bloodwing out from behind cover and all of this would've been averted.
 
2012-12-12 03:35:20 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: I'm just thinking about how an unarmed person might benefit from something they learned playing that a non-player might not know. If you are cowering behind a counter with your family, the shooter stops nearby and you hear a mag release followed by a mag hitting the floor - well, maybe you know you've got a few seconds to jump up and beat that animal to death with the butt of his AR.


Unlikely even then... you'd be foolish to assume that the shooter doesn't have a secondary weapon. Also, unless he's firing a Garand it's unlikely you'd instinctively know the shooter was empty and how long you have before they are reloading.

You might learn the effective range of some weapons (although you'd probably also learn that running into fire that only *might* kill you is still a bad idea) and what sort of material would serve as "cover" rather than "concealment". Since CoD introduced bullet penetration it's possible that you look at the overturned mattress and realize that it's not going to do anything but contain your blood splatter.
 
2012-12-12 03:36:20 PM  
Oh, common! Nobody would actually say that!

/Read TFA
//Weeps for humanity
 
2012-12-12 03:36:32 PM  

Glancing Blow: If she was my daughter I'd have a vasectomy.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-12 03:37:07 PM  
i787.photobucket.com
what's a battle
 
2012-12-12 03:37:55 PM  
Hate to break it to ya, but the shooting happened at the food court at a mall, so there were already plenty of cawadoody experts already on hand. Doesn't seem to have helped much.
 
2012-12-12 03:38:57 PM  

Coiled Hot 1: ChipNASA: If her "boyfriend" plays Call of Duty so much, he's never been in a "tight spot" in his life.

Maybe her snatch??


Maybe if everyone had your same Matrix-like ability to duck and weave, narrowly dodging the point with every turn, these sorts of mass shootings wouldn't pepper the news every other day?
 
2012-12-12 03:39:27 PM  
Well, let's not be too hasty, girlfriend. Let's see what his k/d ratio is first before we decide if he could've been a hero or not.
 
2012-12-12 03:39:29 PM  

kronicfeld: If the victims had just played more Borderlands, they could've thrown Bloodwing out from behind cover and all of this would've been averted.


He would have just circled around doing nothing until they stood up from cover....
 
2012-12-12 03:39:40 PM  
I think I can honestly speak for everyone on FARK when I say that I honestly wish your boyfriend had been there too.

/and the video of his reaction posted on YouTube, of course
//even just this interview after the fact would have been epic
 
2012-12-12 03:40:11 PM  

kronicfeld: If the victims had just played more Borderlands, they could've thrown Bloodwing out from behind cover and all of this would've been averted.


I'm playing as the Mechromancer right now, and I love my Deathtrap. Everyone should have a flying pet killbot.
 
2012-12-12 03:40:23 PM  

BHShaman: Let's check in and see in this simulation how well that CoD and the Airsoft folks do with real firearms (shooting real ammo tipped with paint blotters) and in a simulation based on recent events....

Pops


Sorry, but I watched the whole video and that testing was VERY flawed.

#1 The student always sat in the same place for each test
#2 The "Gunman" did exactly the same thing in each scenario. Walk out, shoot the instructor. Turn, fire at the student sitting in step one location.

If the test was more randomized the results would have been quite a bit different.

I am not arguing one main point made in the video. Training for those circumstances will make you react better. There is no doubt about that. I am just complaining about the flawed test being used to "Drive home a point" when the test was geared for failure. I suspect it could have been a trained, active, navy seal and the results would have been the same due to the "script" the gunman was able to play.
 
2012-12-12 03:40:28 PM  
I wish my boyfriend was here. He played a lot of Team Fortress Classic so he would have infected the shooter and then tossed down a concussion grenade and jumped across the county.
 
2012-12-12 03:42:49 PM  
Jesus-f*ckin-Christ.

She should be kicked in the coont until dead. F*cking U.S. is so SO stupid.

I say that as a gun owner. If you own a pistol and you're not shooting 100 rounds or more per month at the range? Just f*cking melt the damn gun down. You clearly cannot be a responsible owner if you have no idea or training or don't continue to practice on how to actually hit your target.

For a country that has guns as part of its culture (U.S.) it is sad that 99.9999999% of our people are totally ignorant and/or plain retarded when it comes to using/owning guns. "OOooooo - 3 people died!" Do you know how many f*ckers died that very day from smoking-related illnesses?

Call of Duty....f*cking shiat for brains, you dumb-f*ck chick.
 
2012-12-12 03:42:56 PM  
I wish my daughter was here, she plays Minecraft and could have tamed a wolf to go hostile on his ass.
 
2012-12-12 03:42:57 PM  

Glancing Blow: If she was my daughter I'd have a vasectomy.


or a 108th Trimester Abortion?
 
2012-12-12 03:43:32 PM  

Albert911emt: Someone actually said that stupid sh*t? I mean, someone actually put those words together into that sentence, and then said it out loud? Wow.


It's no different than when half of fark totally would have blown away the Aurora shooter had only they been there.
 
2012-12-12 03:44:23 PM  

DaCaptain19: Jesus-f*ckin-Christ.

She should be kicked in the coont until dead. F*cking U.S. is so SO stupid.

I say that as a gun owner. If you own a pistol and you're not shooting 100 rounds or more per month at the range? Just f*cking melt the damn gun down. You clearly cannot be a responsible owner if you have no idea or training or don't continue to practice on how to actually hit your target.

For a country that has guns as part of its culture (U.S.) it is sad that 99.9999999% of our people are totally ignorant and/or plain retarded when it comes to using/owning guns. "OOooooo - 3 people died!" Do you know how many f*ckers died that very day from smoking-related illnesses?

Call of Duty....f*cking shiat for brains, you dumb-f*ck chick.


images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-12-12 03:46:55 PM  

Kazrath: BHShaman: Let's check in and see in this simulation how well that CoD and the Airsoft folks do with real firearms (shooting real ammo tipped with paint blotters) and in a simulation based on recent events....

Pops

Sorry, but I watched the whole video and that testing was VERY flawed.

#1 The student always sat in the same place for each test
#2 The "Gunman" did exactly the same thing in each scenario. Walk out, shoot the instructor. Turn, fire at the student sitting in step one location.

If the test was more randomized the results would have been quite a bit different.

I am not arguing one main point made in the video. Training for those circumstances will make you react better. There is no doubt about that. I am just complaining about the flawed test being used to "Drive home a point" when the test was geared for failure. I suspect it could have been a trained, active, navy seal and the results would have been the same due to the "script" the gunman was able to play.


Yep, you took the words right off of my fingertips. How many times, in a real world scenario, is a 'bad guy' going to know who the only person in the room with a concealed weapon is AND exactly where they are sitting. Hardly scientific, but then again, the anti-gun lobby will do anything to restrict the rights and freedoms of others.

Also, don't forget, this woman's 'boyfriend' would have had to called the killers sexuality into question at least a dozen times.
 
2012-12-12 03:46:58 PM  

ChipNASA: If her "boyfriend" plays Call of Duty so much, he's never been in a "tight spot" in his life.


Including her.
 
2012-12-12 03:50:25 PM  
Treygreen13: Insatiable Jesus: I'm just thinking about how an unarmed person might benefit from something they learned playing that a non-player might not know. If you are cowering behind a counter with your family, the shooter stops nearby and you hear a mag release followed by a mag hitting the floor - well, maybe you know you've got a few seconds to jump up and beat that animal to death with the butt of his AR.

Unlikely even then... you'd be foolish to assume that the shooter doesn't have a secondary weapon. Also, unless he's firing a Garand it's unlikely you'd instinctively know the shooter was empty and how long you have before they are reloading.

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I don't know, maybe you can see him. Something else you might learn in playing is that seeing without being seen is also a big part of WIN. I'm not sure how knowing effective ranges in the game would map to real life since the vast majority of us can't tell 100 yards from 200.

I used to play a lot of Ghost Recon and when my son started playing video games I was able to teach him some principles that helped him become a good player pretty quick. Always know what's behind you, stay the fark out of the middle of the map and know where you are and how to get back out to safety.

If any of you are ever in a mall and something like this goes down - know that there are service doors in the rear of every store that leads to the service hallway, the loading dock and out. Stay out of the middle of the map.
 
2012-12-12 03:51:16 PM  

Pocket Ninja: It's a well known fact that the marine core watches online game boards and tries to recruit the elite Call of Duty gamers.


Not for the infantry! Not for their gun skills! No...more for involvement in U.S. based computer-operated (e.g. drone) defense.

I'm saying as a Call of Duty player and a gun owner, COD doesn't teach you f*ck about using a gun. I know 99% of farkers have no hobbies other than gaming or LARP so you're gonna have to trust me on this one. Your God of Gaming will not protect you.
 
2012-12-12 03:52:59 PM  
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2012-12-12 03:53:49 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: If he was really on top of things, he would have noticed the shooter was firing an AR-15, and then simply waited for the thing to jam.


You must have a really cheap AR-15. My Colt H-Bar Match Competition AR-15 never has jammed on me once. And I shoot it a LOT. Of course I also clean and oil my guns - you know - maintenance? That helps as well.
 
2012-12-12 03:56:40 PM  
what would Mall Ninja do?
 
2012-12-12 03:56:55 PM  

itsdan: "Hon, you stay here, I'm going to go tell the shooter his mother is a whore and try to get him to ragequit."


forget about headline of the year.
we need a comment of the year contest.
 
2012-12-12 03:57:19 PM  
outofmygord.com

"Dammit, I'm trying honey, but he's not going down.
 
2012-12-12 03:58:27 PM  
DaCaptain19: Marcus Aurelius: If he was really on top of things, he would have noticed the shooter was firing an AR-15, and then simply waited for the thing to jam.

You must have a really cheap AR-15. My Colt H-Bar Match Competition AR-15 never has jammed on me once. And I shoot it a LOT. Of course I also clean and oil my guns - you know - maintenance? That helps as well.

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Mags seem to have more to do with jams than the gun itself, in my experience. My pre-ban 30 rd mags have NEVER caused a jam for me, being the real deal. But I've got some cheap 10rd mags that can be counted upon to jam at least once in an afternoon. Granted, this is 7.62 and a real AK I usually shoot, but my Valmet in .223 has never jammed on me with the factory 30rd mags. Cheap ammo might also be a factor?
 
2012-12-12 04:01:30 PM  
In a properly organized society everyone in the vicinity of the shooter would have slapped leather and perforated him with a pound and half of lead.

But nooo ... guns are dangerous. Granny should not have a gun. Only the insane and possessed should have guns.
 
2012-12-12 04:01:51 PM  
This girl respects a guy's video game skills and all of you are complaining.

Wtf is wrong with all of you.

He probably said "yeah honey. I would have saved you and taken that guy out before he could hurt anyone"

And then what do you think they would have done?
 
2012-12-12 04:02:30 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: offmymeds: "He's played a lot of Call of Duty and has a lot of knowledge about guns and what to do in a tight spot."

I know what she means. I've played a lot of Warhammer40k, so I know how to handle Ork invasions.

I've played a lot of Batteltech, so I know how to handle a 70 ton walking tank.


I win in Monopoly most times...I am clearly totally skilled and learned in running a Fortune 500 company.

/also played Battleship. Now I know how to run a battleship, a submarine, an aircraft carrier...
 
2012-12-12 04:02:40 PM  
I play the Metroid Prime trilogy religiously, if only I was there to Screw Attack the shooter and then drop a Power Bomb for good measure.

media.picfor.me

/would Screw Attack and Power Bomb her, if you get my drift
 
2012-12-12 04:02:55 PM  

Highroller48: Option 1: Sprint across the room and try and melee-kill the guy from behind, hoping like fark he doesn't have "last stand" on.
Option 2: Camp like a noob and wait till it's all over.

Something tells me I'd take option 2.



In a case like that, plan 2 is a pretty sound plan. In all liklihood, in a mall setting you'd have a lot of ground to cover between you and a guy with an AR. It's the plan I'd go with unless when the shiat hit the fan I was right behind him with a brand new Louisville slugger.
 
2012-12-12 04:03:52 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: DaCaptain19: Marcus Aurelius: If he was really on top of things, he would have noticed the shooter was firing an AR-15, and then simply waited for the thing to jam.

You must have a really cheap AR-15. My Colt H-Bar Match Competition AR-15 never has jammed on me once. And I shoot it a LOT. Of course I also clean and oil my guns - you know - maintenance? That helps as well.

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Mags seem to have more to do with jams than the gun itself, in my experience. My pre-ban 30 rd mags have NEVER caused a jam for me, being the real deal. But I've got some cheap 10rd mags that can be counted upon to jam at least once in an afternoon. Granted, this is 7.62 and a real AK I usually shoot, but my Valmet in .223 has never jammed on me with the factory 30rd mags. Cheap ammo might also be a factor?


That's why I always equip Pmags in Medal of Honor.
 
2012-12-12 04:05:12 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Mags seem to have more to do with jams than the gun itself, in my experience.


I'm going to say that there is something to that.
 
2012-12-12 04:09:23 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: DaCaptain19: Marcus Aurelius: If he was really on top of things, he would have noticed the shooter was firing an AR-15, and then simply waited for the thing to jam.

You must have a really cheap AR-15. My Colt H-Bar Match Competition AR-15 never has jammed on me once. And I shoot it a LOT. Of course I also clean and oil my guns - you know - maintenance? That helps as well.

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Mags seem to have more to do with jams than the gun itself, in my experience. My pre-ban 30 rd mags have NEVER caused a jam for me, being the real deal. But I've got some cheap 10rd mags that can be counted upon to jam at least once in an afternoon. Granted, this is 7.62 and a real AK I usually shoot, but my Valmet in .223 has never jammed on me with the factory 30rd mags. Cheap ammo might also be a factor?


It certainly is the case that the mags may be the issue. I'm not sure what you're talking about..you mention your AK (I have one of those, too)...but in any case my AK uses the 40-round banana mag and I don't recall having an issue with jamming (not to say it hasn't happened). The AK ammo I buy is that cheap, Russian made "Wolf" ammo - your hands are black after handling those rounds. The AR I usually buy some better ammo...like Federal or Hornady. I avoid re-loads for my AR.

I did buy some mags for Glocks but not BY Glock...they fit the gun but they were crap - created jamming issues. Also, some people don't realize is that you do have to clean/oil the magazine, too. Make sure that spring stays true.

But I get what you're saying and it has validity. Didn't mean to downtalk your AR...man those are nice rifles.
 
2012-12-12 04:10:19 PM  
I've played a lot of Donkey Kong, so I'm ready to take a sledgehammer and defend IKEA.
 
2012-12-12 04:14:36 PM  

Sentient: Hate to break it to ya, but the shooting happened at the food court at a mall, so there were already plenty of cawadoody experts already on hand. Doesn't seem to have helped much.


The cookie stand is NOT part of the Food Court!
 
2012-12-12 04:15:25 PM  

RidgeRunner5: Insatiable Jesus: DaCaptain19: Marcus Aurelius: If he was really on top of things, he would have noticed the shooter was firing an AR-15, and then simply waited for the thing to jam.

You must have a really cheap AR-15. My Colt H-Bar Match Competition AR-15 never has jammed on me once. And I shoot it a LOT. Of course I also clean and oil my guns - you know - maintenance? That helps as well.

-----------------------

Mags seem to have more to do with jams than the gun itself, in my experience. My pre-ban 30 rd mags have NEVER caused a jam for me, being the real deal. But I've got some cheap 10rd mags that can be counted upon to jam at least once in an afternoon. Granted, this is 7.62 and a real AK I usually shoot, but my Valmet in .223 has never jammed on me with the factory 30rd mags. Cheap ammo might also be a factor?

That's why I always equip Pmags in Medal of Honor.


RidgeRunner5: Insatiable Jesus: DaCaptain19: Marcus Aurelius: If he was really on top of things, he would have noticed the shooter was firing an AR-15, and then simply waited for the thing to jam.

You must have a really cheap AR-15. My Colt H-Bar Match Competition AR-15 never has jammed on me once. And I shoot it a LOT. Of course I also clean and oil my guns - you know - maintenance? That helps as well.

-----------------------

Mags seem to have more to do with jams than the gun itself, in my experience. My pre-ban 30 rd mags have NEVER caused a jam for me, being the real deal. But I've got some cheap 10rd mags that can be counted upon to jam at least once in an afternoon. Granted, this is 7.62 and a real AK I usually shoot, but my Valmet in .223 has never jammed on me with the factory 30rd mags. Cheap ammo might also be a factor?

That's why I always equip Pmags in Medal of Honor.


It may have improved in recent years, but the shorter piston and return spring in collapsible-stock versions of the various M-16 clones always seemed to contribute to increased jams and stoppages, particularly when the jam involved spent casings. At least, that was my experience.
 
2012-12-12 04:15:27 PM  
They interviewed the guy from teh Excalibur shop on the radio. Instead of going all Highlander he hid on the ground in the back. Either that or dual wielding axes would have been awesome. Can you imagine the guy thinking.. "now is my time!".
 
2012-12-12 04:16:45 PM  
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I know what she means. I've played a lot of Legend of Zelda and has a lot of knowledge about Master Swords and Red Potions and Megaton Hammers and Dominion Rods what to do in a tight spot against an enourmous Goron-eating Dragon or an Korok-eating Plant. I was waiting for Aragon to iPhone me up for Helm's Deep but he never did. I figure he managed without me...so I guess he's got that going for him, which is nice.
 
2012-12-12 04:17:07 PM  

DaCaptain19: Jesus-f*ckin-Christ.

She should be kicked in the coont until dead. F*cking U.S. is so SO stupid.

I say that as a gun owner. If you own a pistol and you're not shooting 100 rounds or more per month at the range? Just f*cking melt the damn gun down. You clearly cannot be a responsible owner if you have no idea or training or don't continue to practice on how to actually hit your target.

For a country that has guns as part of its culture (U.S.) it is sad that 99.9999999% of our people are totally ignorant and/or plain retarded when it comes to using/owning guns. "OOooooo - 3 people died!" Do you know how many f*ckers died that very day from smoking-related illnesses?

Call of Duty....f*cking shiat for brains, you dumb-f*ck chick.


Spent 12 years in the USMC Infantry and I find your statement to be of the Highest Quality Derp!
Maybe you need all those hours, but you should shut your caulk holster about how the rest of decide to maintain our skillzzzzz.
Another spastic gun owner.. awesome.
 
2012-12-12 04:17:19 PM  
I played a lot of Pac Man, so I'd take a giant pill and then run around trying to eat the ghosts that spent my life fleeing from.
 
2012-12-12 04:18:04 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: I can see where having played those types of games might make one better suited than the average person to getting out of a hairy situation involving gunfire. Even in an FPS game cover and concealment are critical. An instinctive understanding of the fact that reload cycle takes time might save somebody's life. Maybe you see the mass shooter drop his AR and pull out a pistol at 50 yards and know that he probably doesn't have a chance in hell of hitting you and you take that moment to run. Or knowing that checking behind you is key.

Not saying it makes anybody an expert at small arms combat, only that some things might be learned that otherwise you would be ignorant of.


Call of duty really doesn't teach you any of that.
 
2012-12-12 04:18:13 PM  

vegasj: Can't find a better anti-gun source?


While the video is obviously slanted, the simulation speaks volumes.

The comment was more towards mall ninjas, airsoft, and CoD players who think their hot shiat because they can go get a real gun, aim straight, and then qualify for a CCW. Then, assume they will be kicking ass and taking names.

BTW... I've shot guns since I was 5. My Dad was a SWAT member.
People don't know shiat about what it takes to handle a real situation with real people and real pullets.
Unless you have had significant tactical training, your best bet is to either run like hell or, failing that opportunity, play dead. A CCW WILL NOT help most people. And that is not an "anti-gun' statement.
 
2012-12-12 04:18:34 PM  

vudukungfu: Sentient: Hate to break it to ya, but the shooting happened at the food court at a mall, so there were already plenty of cawadoody experts already on hand. Doesn't seem to have helped much.

The cookie stand is NOT part of the Food Court!


This! Eateries that operate within the designated square downstairs count as food court. Anything outside of said designated square counts as an autonomous unit for mid-mall snacking.
 
2012-12-12 04:20:10 PM  

Clutch2013: way south: [dl.dropbox.com image 311x311]

ChipNASA: If her "boyfriend" plays Call of Duty so much, he's never been in a "tight spot" in his life.

Her Boyfriend works as a model.
He's from Canada... you havn't met him.

Funny thing is, if Call of Duty is where they're getting their knowledge from, they're that much more screwed.

/For example, in COD's Russia, their armed forces are supplied mainly by Israeli and Belgian arms manufacturers
//That's just one of the obvious bits
///Ever notice in those games when the front sight disappears from the M16s whenever you mount an optic? Notice what else goes with it? Hint: in real life, no more firing in full or even semi-auto when it's gone


Actually alot barrels are made without iron sight gas blocks and just have low profile gas blocks. The fixed barrel sight makes not a single difference.

See you in COD....
 
2012-12-12 04:20:14 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: I can see where having played those types of games might make one better suited than the average person to getting out of a hairy situation involving gunfire. Even in an FPS game cover and concealment are critical. An instinctive understanding of the fact that reload cycle takes time might save somebody's life. Maybe you see the mass shooter drop his AR and pull out a pistol at 50 yards and know that he probably doesn't have a chance in hell of hitting you and you take that moment to run. Or knowing that checking behind you is key.

Not saying it makes anybody an expert at small arms combat, only that some things might be learned that otherwise you would be ignorant of.


Yeah...and when you have a real gun pointed at you or shooting around you, all you'll do is piss/sh*t you pants. But you seem an expert and I am 100% positive that your mind will be so filled with clarity that you will coldly and rationally dispatch said armed person. Or escape. Or remember any f*cking thing from COD.

One major learning of a CCH course (mine was taught by a retired cop...still training cops and marines on marksmanship and was actually once a Texas Ranger)...shooting is easy. Shooting a person is difficult. Shooting an armed person - staying cool, keeping your focus on your sights and NOT the target? Extremely difficult.  And this is assuming, even, that you are properly trained in your gun. COD? You wouldn't know what to do with a gun if it were handed to you.
 
2012-12-12 04:21:27 PM  

Highroller48: RidgeRunner5: Insatiable Jesus: DaCaptain19: Marcus Aurelius: If he was really on top of things, he would have noticed the shooter was firing an AR-15, and then simply waited for the thing to jam.

You must have a really cheap AR-15. My Colt H-Bar Match Competition AR-15 never has jammed on me once. And I shoot it a LOT. Of course I also clean and oil my guns - you know - maintenance? That helps as well.

-----------------------

Mags seem to have more to do with jams than the gun itself, in my experience. My pre-ban 30 rd mags have NEVER caused a jam for me, being the real deal. But I've got some cheap 10rd mags that can be counted upon to jam at least once in an afternoon. Granted, this is 7.62 and a real AK I usually shoot, but my Valmet in .223 has never jammed on me with the factory 30rd mags. Cheap ammo might also be a factor?

That's why I always equip Pmags in Medal of Honor.

RidgeRunner5: Insatiable Jesus: DaCaptain19: Marcus Aurelius: If he was really on top of things, he would have noticed the shooter was firing an AR-15, and then simply waited for the thing to jam.

You must have a really cheap AR-15. My Colt H-Bar Match Competition AR-15 never has jammed on me once. And I shoot it a LOT. Of course I also clean and oil my guns - you know - maintenance? That helps as well.

-----------------------

Mags seem to have more to do with jams than the gun itself, in my experience. My pre-ban 30 rd mags have NEVER caused a jam for me, being the real deal. But I've got some cheap 10rd mags that can be counted upon to jam at least once in an afternoon. Granted, this is 7.62 and a real AK I usually shoot, but my Valmet in .223 has never jammed on me with the factory 30rd mags. Cheap ammo might also be a factor?

That's why I always equip Pmags in Medal of Honor.

It may have improved in recent years, but the shorter piston and return spring in collapsible-stock versions of the various M-16 clones always seemed to contribute to increased jams and stoppages, particu ...


The vast majority of extraction failures will be because there wasn't enough gas to push the bolt carrier all the way back. This can happen if the ammo is underpowered, or if the gun has been fired so much the carbon buildup in the receiver increases friction enough to slow it down. I had a chrome plated BCG, which made cleaning just a matter of wiping it down with a couple patches and re-oiling it.
 
2012-12-12 04:22:27 PM  

BHShaman: Let's check in and see in this simulation how well that CoD and the Airsoft folks do with real firearms (shooting real ammo tipped with paint blotters) and in a simulation based on recent events....

Pops


I can set the exact same thing up to prove the opposite.

Mostly because it's a crock of shiat.
 
2012-12-12 04:22:48 PM  

Treygreen13: DaCaptain19: Jesus-f*ckin-Christ.

She should be kicked in the coont until dead. F*cking U.S. is so SO stupid.

I say that as a gun owner. If you own a pistol and you're not shooting 100 rounds or more per month at the range? Just f*cking melt the damn gun down. You clearly cannot be a responsible owner if you have no idea or training or don't continue to practice on how to actually hit your target.

For a country that has guns as part of its culture (U.S.) it is sad that 99.9999999% of our people are totally ignorant and/or plain retarded when it comes to using/owning guns. "OOooooo - 3 people died!" Do you know how many f*ckers died that very day from smoking-related illnesses?

Call of Duty....f*cking shiat for brains, you dumb-f*ck chick.

[images1.wikia.nocookie.net image 624x317]


I love lamp.
 
2012-12-12 04:23:27 PM  

Dixon Cider: DaCaptain19: Jesus-f*ckin-Christ.

She should be kicked in the coont until dead. F*cking U.S. is so SO stupid.

I say that as a gun owner. If you own a pistol and you're not shooting 100 rounds or more per month at the range? Just f*cking melt the damn gun down. You clearly cannot be a responsible owner if you have no idea or training or don't continue to practice on how to actually hit your target.

For a country that has guns as part of its culture (U.S.) it is sad that 99.9999999% of our people are totally ignorant and/or plain retarded when it comes to using/owning guns. "OOooooo - 3 people died!" Do you know how many f*ckers died that very day from smoking-related illnesses?

Call of Duty....f*cking shiat for brains, you dumb-f*ck chick.

Spent 12 years in the USMC Infantry and I find your statement to be of the Highest Quality Derp!
Maybe you need all those hours, but you should shut your caulk holster about how the rest of decide to maintain our skillzzzzz.
Another spastic gun owner.. awesome.


Another trained gun owner. You apparently don't know shiat AND you are a first-class liar. So...bye.
 
2012-12-12 04:25:16 PM  

Kazrath: BHShaman: Let's check in and see in this simulation how well that CoD and the Airsoft folks do with real firearms (shooting real ammo tipped with paint blotters) and in a simulation based on recent events....

Pops

Sorry, but I watched the whole video and that testing was VERY flawed.

#1 The student always sat in the same place for each test
#2 The "Gunman" did exactly the same thing in each scenario. Walk out, shoot the instructor. Turn, fire at the student sitting in step one location.

If the test was more randomized the results would have been quite a bit different.



Right. If the shooter came into the room and started shooting random people instead of following his script then there would be a whole lot of dead people and maybe a dead shooter. The point was to quickly demonstrate the reactive abilities of someone who has gone through a typical CCW. Which was accurately portrayed.

I know people who went through CCW and have NEVER OWNED A GUN. They walked out with a permit with no promise of ever even practicing with one before loading up and hitting the streets.

CCW are valid, people should be able to get them,
There should be more to the license than a mostly verbal course and some basic firearm instruction.
Even a driver's license requires you to show you can navigate a road.
CCW should require a proficiency test through a shooting gallery.
 
2012-12-12 04:28:52 PM  
cdn-9.nflximg.com
 
2012-12-12 04:31:08 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Did you even watch it and have any specific disagreement with their conclusions and methodology or do I need to add you to the derplist?


They take an untrained student, give that person a gun, put them in a room with a shooter who knows he has two targets, and then run the scenario. When the police do active shooter training, they don't know the number of shooters or their location. Why would an active shooter know more than that?

When the police ran the active shooter scenario and I was the gunman, I was able to shoot three of the four of them and they missed their shots (with AR-15s - I had an arc of misses around me, probably due to the shock of being headshot with simunitions and the splat of paint obstructing view). They give you only four rounds, and my shots were two in the head of the first two guys, and two in the chest of the third (would have been stopped by their body armor with the GLOCK 17 we were using, but would have knocked the wind out of the officer). Most of the other people there, including those without experience shooting, were able to hit at least one of the officers, usually two.

If someone is targeting you to surprise kill you, they are extremely likely to succeed. Even if you're armed and trained. However, a shooter intent on getting a body count would not have the likelihood to get a person who carries a firearm and knows how to use it is far more likely to succeed than a student who was just given a brief "here are the basics of how to shoot a gun."

The scenario in the video is bullshiat.
 
2012-12-12 04:31:17 PM  

You Must Construct Additional Pylons.: Clutch2013: way south: [dl.dropbox.com image 311x311]

ChipNASA: If her "boyfriend" plays Call of Duty so much, he's never been in a "tight spot" in his life.

Her Boyfriend works as a model.
He's from Canada... you havn't met him.

Funny thing is, if Call of Duty is where they're getting their knowledge from, they're that much more screwed.

/For example, in COD's Russia, their armed forces are supplied mainly by Israeli and Belgian arms manufacturers
//That's just one of the obvious bits
///Ever notice in those games when the front sight disappears from the M16s whenever you mount an optic? Notice what else goes with it? Hint: in real life, no more firing in full or even semi-auto when it's gone

Actually alot barrels are made without iron sight gas blocks and just have low profile gas blocks. The fixed barrel sight makes not a single difference.

See you in COD....


I know that. They don't seem to, though - neither the gamers nor the devs.

One thing I don't like about those games - by the third Modern Warfare, the guns are so ridiculously stylized that it's painful to just look at them. The AA-12, for example...Jesus.
 
2012-12-12 04:32:47 PM  

TheSteamingPile: Kazrath: BHShaman: Let's check in and see in this simulation how well that CoD and the Airsoft folks do with real firearms (shooting real ammo tipped with paint blotters) and in a simulation based on recent events....

Pops

Sorry, but I watched the whole video and that testing was VERY flawed.

#1 The student always sat in the same place for each test
#2 The "Gunman" did exactly the same thing in each scenario. Walk out, shoot the instructor. Turn, fire at the student sitting in step one location.

If the test was more randomized the results would have been quite a bit different.

I am not arguing one main point made in the video. Training for those circumstances will make you react better. There is no doubt about that. I am just complaining about the flawed test being used to "Drive home a point" when the test was geared for failure. I suspect it could have been a trained, active, navy seal and the results would have been the same due to the "script" the gunman was able to play.

Yep, you took the words right off of my fingertips. How many times, in a real world scenario, is a 'bad guy' going to know who the only person in the room with a concealed weapon is AND exactly where they are sitting. Hardly scientific, but then again, the anti-gun lobby will do anything to restrict the rights and freedoms of others.

Also, don't forget, this woman's 'boyfriend' would have had to called the killers sexuality into question at least a dozen times.


I don't want you to misunderstand me here.

If this scenario was run properly:

* Gunman was told he is doing a social experiment on how a classroom reacts to a gunman opening fire. He is given 2 magazines and told to kill as many people as he can w/o leaving the class room. Run this one time before introducing a CHL.

* CHL is doing a (CHL training / gun training) class. Is the only one in the classroom provided a firearm and is told to not let anyone know he has the weapon.

Start scenario:

If the scenario was run 3-5 times with a single CHL. Then run 3-5 times with 3 - 4 CHL in the classroom and they used a different gunman every time the scenario would at least be accurate. The CHL would not realize the gunman would show up. The gunman would not know there were CHL in the classroom.

If the results ended up being very negative overall then I would agree that having CHL in a classroom is a bad idea. However, if having 3-4 CHL provided significantly better results than 0 or 1 I would be completely for CHL on campus. And if the results were very mixed then "Your best judgement" for the colleges is fine.
 
2012-12-12 04:33:39 PM  

BHShaman: Kazrath: BHShaman: Let's check in and see in this simulation how well that CoD and the Airsoft folks do with real firearms (shooting real ammo tipped with paint blotters) and in a simulation based on recent events....

Pops

Sorry, but I watched the whole video and that testing was VERY flawed.

#1 The student always sat in the same place for each test
#2 The "Gunman" did exactly the same thing in each scenario. Walk out, shoot the instructor. Turn, fire at the student sitting in step one location.

If the test was more randomized the results would have been quite a bit different.

Right. If the shooter came into the room and started shooting random people instead of following his script then there would be a whole lot of dead people and maybe a dead shooter. The point was to quickly demonstrate the reactive abilities of someone who has gone through a typical CCW. Which was accurately portrayed.

I know people who went through CCW and have NEVER OWNED A GUN. They walked out with a permit with no promise of ever even practicing with one before loading up and hitting the streets.

CCW are valid, people should be able to get them,
There should be more to the license than a mostly verbal course and some basic firearm instruction.
Even a driver's license requires you to show you can navigate a road.
CCW should require a proficiency test through a shooting gallery.


This, I have no argument with.
 
2012-12-12 04:35:00 PM  

BHShaman: vegasj: Can't find a better anti-gun source?

While the video is obviously slanted, the simulation speaks volumes.

The comment was more towards mall ninjas, airsoft, and CoD players who think their hot shiat because they can go get a real gun, aim straight, and then qualify for a CCW. Then, assume they will be kicking ass and taking names.

BTW... I've shot guns since I was 5. My Dad was a SWAT member.
People don't know shiat about what it takes to handle a real situation with real people and real pullets.
Unless you have had significant tactical training, your best bet is to either run like hell or, failing that opportunity, play dead. A CCW WILL NOT help most people. And that is not an "anti-gun' statement.



i641.photobucket.com

Real pullets.
 
2012-12-12 04:35:08 PM  
You need to check your White Man reason and logic at the door. This is fark.
 
2012-12-12 04:36:28 PM  
I've played a lot of oCD, so I could have totally counted how many rounds the guy fired, exactly.
 
2012-12-12 04:38:45 PM  
If only my boyfriend was there. He plays a lot of Assassin's Creed, so he would have snuck behind the shooter, stabbed him in the throat, then run off to fist fight the Pope at the Vatican, bang an Italian countess and rescue Leonard DiVinci from the Templars.
 
2012-12-12 04:39:33 PM  

DaCaptain19: Dixon Cider: DaCaptain19: Jesus-f*ckin-Christ.

She should be kicked in the coont until dead. F*cking U.S. is so SO stupid.

I say that as a gun owner. If you own a pistol and you're not shooting 100 rounds or more per month at the range? Just f*cking melt the damn gun down. You clearly cannot be a responsible owner if you have no idea or training or don't continue to practice on how to actually hit your target.

For a country that has guns as part of its culture (U.S.) it is sad that 99.9999999% of our people are totally ignorant and/or plain retarded when it comes to using/owning guns. "OOooooo - 3 people died!" Do you know how many f*ckers died that very day from smoking-related illnesses?

Call of Duty....f*cking shiat for brains, you dumb-f*ck chick.

Spent 12 years in the USMC Infantry and I find your statement to be of the Highest Quality Derp!
Maybe you need all those hours, but you should shut your caulk holster about how the rest of decide to maintain our skillzzzzz.
Another spastic gun owner.. awesome.

Another trained gun owner. You apparently don't know shiat AND you are a first-class liar. So...bye.



Ahhhh, did your little feelers get bent out of shape? You must suck at shooting as much as you do posting here...
Poor child. You couldn't wait to get your dick skinners on the keyboard and all you had to say was this?

tisk tisk, Scooter!
 
2012-12-12 04:43:40 PM  

Pocket Ninja: It's a well known fact that the marine core watches online game boards and tries to recruit the elite Call of Duty gamers.


It's the Marine Corps and you are a moron.
 
2012-12-12 04:44:03 PM  
Bah, everyone knows that internet gambling is where real men are made. Link
 
2012-12-12 04:50:41 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: I played a lot of Pac Man, so I'd take a giant pill and then run around trying to eat the ghosts that spent my life fleeing from.


Make sure you keep calling "wooka-wooka-wooka-wooka" or it won't work.
 
2012-12-12 04:51:13 PM  

azmarine: Pocket Ninja: It's a well known fact that the marine core watches online game boards and tries to recruit the elite Call of Duty gamers.

It's the Marine Corps and you are a moron.


i641.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-12 04:51:46 PM  

azmarine: Pocket Ninja: It's a well known fact that the marine core watches online game boards and tries to recruit the elite Call of Duty gamers.

It's the Marine Corps and you are a moron.


Lighten up, Francis. Its a local meme. Pocket Ninja is legendary around here.
 
2012-12-12 04:51:53 PM  

azmarine: Pocket Ninja: It's a well known fact that the marine core watches online game boards and tries to recruit the elite Call of Duty gamers.

It's the Marine Corps and you are a moron.


He's been here since 2003, he knows that and you should keep your trap shut unless you enjoy pulling hooks from your cheek?
 
2012-12-12 04:53:39 PM  
Lag switches and wall hacks don't work too well in real life.
 
2012-12-12 04:53:49 PM  
Pocket Ninja clan springs to action from the shadowed rafters and then disappears in a cloud of smoke.
 
2012-12-12 04:56:35 PM  
I love the Marine Core.
 
2012-12-12 04:56:43 PM  

azmarine: Pocket Ninja: It's a well known fact that the marine core watches online game boards and tries to recruit the elite Call of Duty gamers.

It's the Marine Corps and you are a moron.


Marine Core Soldiers...

Moran.
 
2012-12-12 04:57:58 PM  
Hey in Texas we require a 10 hour class including a live fire proficiency test for CCW.

But were all stupid, trailer trash, rednecks clinging to Jesus so what do we know?
 
2012-12-12 04:59:04 PM  
CSB:

I had just returned home from WLC training, which is what you have to take in the Army when you make sergeant. So we'd spent a little over a week straight in the woods, doing squad level scenarios - convoy hit by IED, flanking maneuvers, tactical patrol, room clearing, suppressive fire while waiting for air support, on and on and on. Most of the class was on the short list for either Iraq or Afghanistan, so the instructors took it very seriously.

Was in Best Buy the weekend following, and tried out Call of Duty on Xbox/PS3/whatever, since no one was on and the store was almost empty. Within 2 minutes I had a couple of teenagers behind me screaming things like "YOU CAN'T JUST FIRE FROM BEHIND THE CONCRETE BUNKER!! RUN OUT IN THE OPEN AND ZIGZAG SO THEY CAN'T HIT YOU!!"

While making a casual exit, I could hear them discussing how 99% of the public wouldn't know how to survive a real firefight. They were entirely serious.
 
2012-12-12 04:59:38 PM  

DaCaptain19: Marcus Aurelius: If he was really on top of things, he would have noticed the shooter was firing an AR-15, and then simply waited for the thing to jam.

You must have a really cheap AR-15. My Colt H-Bar Match Competition AR-15 never has jammed on me once. And I shoot it a LOT. Of course I also clean and oil my guns - you know - maintenance? That helps as well.


I was only half joking. I don't own an AR. I read a report that the shooter's gun jammed at some point. After the Aurora's AR-15 jammed on him, I'd have thought these random shooters would be clued in to WASR 10's or some such.

Lucky for us, they haven't...

/sees lots of AR-15s being fiddled with at the range, they always blame the ammo
 
2012-12-12 05:00:07 PM  

azmarine: Pocket Ninja: It's a well known fact that the marine core watches online game boards and tries to recruit the elite Call of Duty gamers.

It's the Marine Corps and you are a moron.


um, I've seen enough of PN's post to believe that's I think that's part of the joke.

(could be a screw up, but the recruiting part is definitely a joke on his part)
 
2012-12-12 05:02:17 PM  

Odd Bird: um, I've seen enough of PN's post to believe that's I think that's part of the joke.


well well, plenty of others responded and I failed to review my own post. (FAIL)
 
2012-12-12 05:06:40 PM  
Remember: if you are shot, take cover immediately and wait. So long as you are not shot again, your body will eventually fully regenerate.
 
2012-12-12 05:08:41 PM  

Pocket Ninja: It's a well known fact that the marine core watches online game boards and tries to recruit the elite Call of Duty gamers.


I know right...I keep telling em I'm too old but they keep calling. nOObs......
 
2012-12-12 05:09:28 PM  

Kazrath: TheSteamingPile: Kazrath: BHShaman: Let's check in and see in this simulation how well that CoD and the Airsoft folks do with real firearms (shooting real ammo tipped with paint blotters) and in a simulation based on recent events....

Pops

Sorry, but I watched the whole video and that testing was VERY flawed.

#1 The student always sat in the same place for each test
#2 The "Gunman" did exactly the same thing in each scenario. Walk out, shoot the instructor. Turn, fire at the student sitting in step one location.

If the test was more randomized the results would have been quite a bit different.

I am not arguing one main point made in the video. Training for those circumstances will make you react better. There is no doubt about that. I am just complaining about the flawed test being used to "Drive home a point" when the test was geared for failure. I suspect it could have been a trained, active, navy seal and the results would have been the same due to the "script" the gunman was able to play.

Yep, you took the words right off of my fingertips. How many times, in a real world scenario, is a 'bad guy' going to know who the only person in the room with a concealed weapon is AND exactly where they are sitting. Hardly scientific, but then again, the anti-gun lobby will do anything to restrict the rights and freedoms of others.

Also, don't forget, this woman's 'boyfriend' would have had to called the killers sexuality into question at least a dozen times.

I don't want you to misunderstand me here.

If this scenario was run properly:

* Gunman was told he is doing a social experiment on how a classroom reacts to a gunman opening fire. He is given 2 magazines and told to kill as many people as he can w/o leaving the class room. Run this one time before introducing a CHL.

* CHL is doing a (CHL training / gun training) class. Is the only one in the classroom provided a firearm and is told to not let anyone know he has the weapon.

Start scenario:

If the scenario was ...


Also, instead of a the firearm training instructor doing the shooting, have another equally unskilled psychopath in that person's shoes. The cop entered the classroom like he was doing a police breach and went right for the kid with the gun within seconds.

The argument that a chl holder is not as good as a highly trained police officer does not equal an argument that nobody should be able to carry a gun. At least the student had an opportunity to defend himself and go down fighting rather than cower and hope that the gunman didn't select him to kill next.
 
2012-12-12 05:18:35 PM  

Somacandra: I love the Marine Core.


cdn.motinetwork.net
 
2012-12-12 05:19:18 PM  

Somacandra: azmarine: Pocket Ninja: It's a well known fact that the marine core watches online game boards and tries to recruit the elite Call of Duty gamers.

It's the Marine Corps and you are a moron.

Lighten up, Francis. Its a local meme. Pocket Ninja is legendary around here.


Lighen up, Francis. Some people don't care about or pay attention to stupid memes. LOL LOLL SDFLKSDJF LODLLllolllol
 
2012-12-12 05:22:33 PM  
DaCaptain19: Yeah...and when you have a real gun pointed at you or shooting around you, all you'll do is piss/sh*t you pants. But you seem an expert and I am 100% positive that your mind will be so filled with clarity that you will coldly and rationally dispatch said armed person. Or escape. Or remember any f*cking thing from COD.One major learning of a CCH course (mine was taught by a retired cop...still training cops and marines on marksmanship and was actually once a Texas Ranger)...shooting is easy. Shooting a person is difficult. Shooting an armed person - staying cool, keeping your focus on your sights and NOT the target? Extremely difficult.  And this is assuming, even, that you are properly trained in your gun. COD? You wouldn't know what to do with a gun if it were handed to you.

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Hey genius, I wasn't even talking about shooting in these situations, I was mulling over what you might learn in a game that could help you get away. Understanding that reloading is a factor would be the biggest one I can think of. Most people know about guns from TV, where, apparently, 500 round pistol magazines exist. A gamer MIGHT know better and be able to translate that knowledge into picking the right moment to run or jump on the freak.

You can say a game doesn't translate to real life all you like, but I soloed an aircraft after just a few hours of real flight time thanks to MS Flight Sim.

I'll leave the hero fantasies to some of the others here.
 
2012-12-12 05:24:19 PM  
Hmm, it edits out comments related to the letter F then the letter b then the subtraction symbol. When did that start?
 
2012-12-12 05:29:43 PM  
I'm a Fallout player myself, I would have snuck up behind him in my Chinese stealth armor and sucker punched him with a power fist. Then I'd strip the dead body of his armor and weapons to sell for caps.
 
2012-12-12 05:31:02 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: A gamer MIGHT know better and be able to translate that knowledge into picking the right moment to run or jump on the freak.


Extremely unlikely. Most games (especially the aforementioned Call of Duty) have nothing to do with real tactics or guns. The relationship is much like Guitar Hero vs actually playing on stage with a band; any similarities are purely cosmetic. It's even worse with games like CoD, where the tactics required to be good at the game are often the exact opposite of what will keep you alive in meatspace.

/I'm not saying gamers don't/can't have any combat/survival skills, just that they aren't getting them from games.
 
2012-12-12 05:35:20 PM  

plcow: Kazrath: TheSteamingPile: Kazrath: BHShaman: Let's check in and see in this simulation how well that CoD and the Airsoft folks do with real firearms (shooting real ammo tipped with paint blotters) and in a simulation based on recent events....

Pops

Sorry, but I watched the whole video and that testing was VERY flawed.

#1 The student always sat in the same place for each test
#2 The "Gunman" did exactly the same thing in each scenario. Walk out, shoot the instructor. Turn, fire at the student sitting in step one location.

If the test was more randomized the results would have been quite a bit different.

I am not arguing one main point made in the video. Training for those circumstances will make you react better. There is no doubt about that. I am just complaining about the flawed test being used to "Drive home a point" when the test was geared for failure. I suspect it could have been a trained, active, navy seal and the results would have been the same due to the "script" the gunman was able to play.

Yep, you took the words right off of my fingertips. How many times, in a real world scenario, is a 'bad guy' going to know who the only person in the room with a concealed weapon is AND exactly where they are sitting. Hardly scientific, but then again, the anti-gun lobby will do anything to restrict the rights and freedoms of others.

Also, don't forget, this woman's 'boyfriend' would have had to called the killers sexuality into question at least a dozen times.

I don't want you to misunderstand me here.

If this scenario was run properly:

* Gunman was told he is doing a social experiment on how a classroom reacts to a gunman opening fire. He is given 2 magazines and told to kill as many people as he can w/o leaving the class room. Run this one time before introducing a CHL.

* CHL is doing a (CHL training / gun training) class. Is the only one in the classroom provided a firearm and is told to not let anyone know he has the weapon.

Start scenario:

If the scenario was ...

Also, instead of a the firearm training instructor doing the shooting, have another equally unskilled psychopath in that person's shoes. The cop entered the classroom like he was doing a police breach and went right for the kid with the gun within seconds.

The argument that a chl holder is not as good as a highly trained police officer does not equal an argument that nobody should be able to carry a gun. At least the student had an opportunity to defend himself and go down fighting rather than cower and hope that the gunman didn't select him to kill next.


It seemed like there were several flaws in that video. I like your idea better.
 
2012-12-12 05:52:00 PM  
I don't want to brag, but I'm pretty deep into Dishonored so I would have possessed a rat and run out of the mall. This chick's boyfriend is an amateur.
 
2012-12-12 06:12:43 PM  

scalpod: Pocket Ninja clan springs to action from the shadowed rafters and then disappears in a cloud of smoke.


THAT'S NOT SMOKE
 
2012-12-12 06:12:51 PM  
Noticeably F.A.T.: Insatiable Jesus: A gamer MIGHT know better and be able to translate that knowledge into picking the right moment to run or jump on the freak.

Extremely unlikely. Most games (especially the aforementioned Call of Duty) have nothing to do with real tactics or guns. The relationship is much like Guitar Hero vs actually playing on stage with a band; any similarities are purely cosmetic. It's even worse with games like CoD, where the tactics required to be good at the game are often the exact opposite of what will keep you alive in meatspace.

/I'm not saying gamers don't/can't have any combat/survival skills, just that they aren't getting them from games.

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You say "extremely unlikely" to something posited with a bold MIGHT. You must really make a lot of money as a psychic.

I guess militaries around the world are using FPS games because they DON'T teach anything. That nothing from a game which simulates real life will translate into the real world. Just understanding the basic differences inherent in being confronted with an AR vs a handgun MIGHT be enough to afford someone the chance to escape. Understanding that a concrete wall is better to hide behind than a wooden counter MIGHT be enough. Understanding that reloads are necessary and time consuming MIGHT be enough.

I'm not arguing the particular game title or the platform it's played on, I'll leave that to you as you try and re-engineer the argument.
 
2012-12-12 06:13:36 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: In a properly organized society everyone in the vicinity of the shooter would have slapped leather and perforated him with a pound and half of lead.

But nooo ... guns are dangerous. Granny should not have a gun. Only the insane and possessed should have guns.


Wow. Now there's an image. A very, very bloody image.

/Might make a good SNL skit, though.
 
2012-12-12 06:17:37 PM  
Noticeably F.A.T.: It's even worse with games like CoD, where the tactics required to be good at the game are often the exact opposite of what will keep you alive in meatspace.

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And No Shiat Sherlock. Except that the object of COD isn't to merely survive and get off the map. A gamer pulling out dual wield 44s and going auto aim on a mall shooter is fantasy. The idea that some kid huddled behind a counter knows that the shooter nearby will have to reload (thanks to him knowing something that he might not otherwise have understood) eventually is an entirely different animal.
 
2012-12-12 06:20:53 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Except that the object of COD isn't to merely survive and get off the map.


In fact, that's the best way to lose. Hiding in a corner and never getting shot or shooting at anyone gets you a 0/0 and probably kicked for inactivity.
 
2012-12-12 06:29:07 PM  
Her next stupid comment was "No. 1 was, like, don't move. So unpredictable. If he just decides to take a right-hand turn, this might be my last day."

No honey - If you're not moving, shooting or reloading while moving, you're about to be dead.
 
2012-12-12 06:38:10 PM  

Lsherm: I don't want to brag, but I'm pretty deep into Dishonored so I would have possessed a rat and run out of the mall. This chick's boyfriend is an amateur.


+1
 
2012-12-12 06:38:32 PM  
I've played a lot of Duke Nukem in my life, so if i was there, i'd have taken my steroids, and kicked him.
Then, i'd have gone and tipped a few strippers.
 
2012-12-12 06:42:06 PM  

offmymeds: Somacandra: I love the Marine Core.

[cdn.motinetwork.net image 640x853]


I'm saving that one as a rebuttal to the "There's Strong and there's Army Strong, but fortunately we still have the Marines" pic that gets posted sometimes, with the corpulently fat soldier in PTs by the lean marine.
 
2012-12-12 07:00:52 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: And No Shiat Sherlock. Except that the object of COD isn't to merely survive and get off the map. A gamer pulling out dual wield 44s and going auto aim on a mall shooter is fantasy. The idea that some kid huddled behind a counter knows that the shooter nearby will have to reload (thanks to him knowing something that he might not otherwise have understood) eventually is an entirely different animal.


Ok. You keep telling yourself that your awesome FPS skills are going to save your ass. I'll keep receiving training from people who know what the hell they are doing.
 
2012-12-12 07:17:57 PM  

BSABSVR: Albert911emt: Someone actually said that stupid sh*t? I mean, someone actually put those words together into that sentence, and then said it out loud? Wow.

It's no different than when half of fark totally would have blown away the Aurora shooter had only they been there.


Yeah, we'll those ITGs can have it, while I'm running to the nearest bar to have a drink of something to calm my nerves.
 
2012-12-12 07:31:46 PM  
This may be the thread of the year.
 
2012-12-12 07:39:47 PM  
Noticeably F.A.T.: Insatiable Jesus: And No Shiat Sherlock. Except that the object of COD isn't to merely survive and get off the map. A gamer pulling out dual wield 44s and going auto aim on a mall shooter is fantasy. The idea that some kid huddled behind a counter knows that the shooter nearby will have to reload (thanks to him knowing something that he might not otherwise have understood) eventually is an entirely different animal.

Ok. You keep telling yourself that your awesome FPS skills are going to save your ass. I'll keep receiving training from people who know what the hell they are doing.

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You have a real knack for reading things that I never wrote. Where did I ever say that "FPS skills" are going to save my ass? Or anybody's ass? What I said was that it is POSSIBLE that somebody MAY learn something about small arms combat from playing a game that they wouldn't otherwise have learned and that COULD be enough to make a difference between them living and dying.

Your reading comprehension skills, inability to argue logically and, now, your declaration of being an Internet Tough Guy all make you a perfect candidate for being colored pink on my screen. Now go back to turbating to Guns N Ammo and eating butter or whatever you morons do, tough guy.
 
2012-12-12 07:42:20 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: I can see where having played those types of games might make one better suited than the average person to getting out of a hairy situation involving gunfire. Even in an FPS game cover and concealment are critical. An instinctive understanding of the fact that reload cycle takes time might save somebody's life. Maybe you see the mass shooter drop his AR and pull out a pistol at 50 yards and know that he probably doesn't have a chance in hell of hitting you and you take that moment to run. Or knowing that checking behind you is key.

Not saying it makes anybody an expert at small arms combat, only that some things might be learned that otherwise you would be ignorant of.


Yeah but the wheezing and pants shiatting would probably interfere with remembering all of that.
 
2012-12-12 07:43:29 PM  
Is her boyfreind Mark Walberg?


/good vibrations
//say hi to your mother for me
 
2012-12-12 08:00:07 PM  

illannoyin: /People still go to the mall?


Heck, yeah! My favorite song is "Let's Go to the Mall" by some Cannuck chick.
 
2012-12-12 08:01:04 PM  
I used to play a lot of Leisure Suit Larry so when her BF gets mowed down I can roofie her and earn my Brown Belt.
 
2012-12-12 08:14:06 PM  
El Dudereno: Insatiable Jesus: I can see where having played those types of games might make one better suited than the average person to getting out of a hairy situation involving gunfire. Even in an FPS game cover and concealment are critical. An instinctive understanding of the fact that reload cycle takes time might save somebody's life. Maybe you see the mass shooter drop his AR and pull out a pistol at 50 yards and know that he probably doesn't have a chance in hell of hitting you and you take that moment to run. Or knowing that checking behind you is key.

Not saying it makes anybody an expert at small arms combat, only that some things might be learned that otherwise you would be ignorant of.

Yeah but the wheezing and pants shiatting would probably interfere with remembering all of that.


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I addressed that upthread too. All the ammo burned at the range isn't going to mean squat when confronted with mortal terror and your lizard brain takes over. You know how your "blood runs cold" when faced with death? That's your lizard brain taking over, shutting down all unneccessary functions like digestion and sending blood to where it will do you the most good in combat. Adrenaline pumps and time slows down and you don't have a farking clue how to behave rationally. Unless you're friends with it. Can't learn that at a range. Can't learn that online. Can't learn that by watching. You learn it by doing something like stepping off an aircraft at 12.5k feet, repeatedly. And no, that doesn't mean one jump at your local tandem farm gets you there. Every jump for the first dozen or so opens your "circle of awareness" as your rational brain gets to make friends with your lizard brain.

That ABC video somebody linked to upthread has a nice piece where CCW holders have trained on the range are confronted with a situation that becomes violent very fast. They freeze up, they miss, they remember things that never happened. And they weren't even in true danger, they knew they were part of an experiment and they still choked.

Danger is real, fear is not.
 
2012-12-12 08:15:28 PM  
Mr. Coffee Nerves: I used to play a lot of Leisure Suit Larry so when her BF gets mowed down I can roofie her and earn my Brown Belt.

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Lubed libbed lubbers anyone?
 
2012-12-12 08:21:51 PM  
So I played a lot of GTA Vice City. Does that mean I have a lot of knowledge about how to kill hookers for my money back and how to drive ice cream trucks full of cocaine all over Miami?
 
2012-12-12 08:54:28 PM  
Medal of Honor always had more interesting stories.
 
2012-12-12 09:12:16 PM  

DaCaptain19: Marcus Aurelius: If he was really on top of things, he would have noticed the shooter was firing an AR-15, and then simply waited for the thing to jam.

You must have a really cheap AR-15. My Colt H-Bar Match Competition AR-15 never has jammed on me once. And I shoot it a LOT. Of course I also clean and oil my guns - you know - maintenance? That helps as well.


It also helps to not use steel case ammo in a non-chrome lined chamber.
 
2012-12-12 09:41:05 PM  
Well, I've played several Zelda games. So, I should be able to take him with a bow and the master sword....
 
2012-12-12 09:47:24 PM  

BHShaman: Let's check in and see in this simulation how well that CoD and the Airsoft folks do with real firearms (shooting real ammo tipped with paint blotters) and in a simulation based on recent events....

Pops


I was unaware that certain states had regulations saying that people carrying guns had to wear helmets, long shirts, and thick mittens.

Ohh right, you and ABC were going for false equivalency.
 
2012-12-12 09:48:12 PM  

octopied: Well, I've played several Zelda games. So, I should be able to take him with a bow and the master sword....


After all my Elder Scrolls experience, I should be able to use magic like a pro.
 
2012-12-12 09:53:32 PM  

FuryOfFirestorm: If only my boyfriend was there. He plays a lot of Assassin's Creed, so he would have snuck behind the shooter, stabbed him in the throat, then run off to fist fight the Pope at the Vatican, bang an Italian countess and rescue Leonard DiVinci from the Templars.


Given the bleed-through effects of extended Animus use, that might actually happen.
 
2012-12-12 10:06:50 PM  
Stibium: I was unaware that certain states had regulations saying that people carrying guns had to wear helmets, long shirts, and thick mittens.


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Which explains perfectly why some just froze in place and couldn't remember accurately what happened. Mittens? Those were mechanics gloves. They surprised them and they choked, period. Weekend range warriors got pwnd in a situation they even UNDERSTOOD to be a simulation.

The way you people lie, dissemble and nitpick really does betray just how weak you must know your arguments to be. In time, we will grow up and insist on responsible laws for gun ownership, thanks in large part to you folks teaching America that you are batshiat crazy and can't be trusted.
 
2012-12-12 10:30:06 PM  
farm3.static.flickr.com
images.sodahead.com
 
2012-12-12 11:08:37 PM  

BHShaman: People don't know shiat about what it takes to handle a real situation with real people and real pullets.


www.huntingtoncountytab.com
 
2012-12-12 11:17:39 PM  
Everybody knows that if you want a gamer in a real life combat situation, you'll pick an Arma player.
 
2012-12-12 11:51:52 PM  
^ What real people and their real pullets may look like ^
 
2012-12-13 12:04:42 AM  

Insatiable Jesus: I addressed that upthread too. All the ammo burned at the range isn't going to mean squat when confronted with mortal terror and your lizard brain takes over. You know how your "blood runs cold" when faced with death? That's your lizard brain taking over, shutting down all unneccessary functions like digestion and sending blood to where it will do you the most good in combat. Adrenaline pumps and time slows down and you don't have a farking clue how to behave rationally. Unless you're friends with it. Can't learn that at a range. Can't learn that online. Can't learn that by watching. You learn it by doing something like stepping off an aircraft at 12.5k feet, repeatedly. And no, that doesn't mean one jump at your local tandem farm gets you there. Every jump for the first dozen or so opens your "circle of awareness" as your rational brain gets to make friends with your lizard brain.

That ABC video somebody linked to upthread has a nice piece where CCW holders have trained on the range are confronted with a situation that becomes violent very fast. They freeze up, they miss, they remember things that never happened. And they weren't even in true danger, they knew they were part of an experiment and they still choked.


I just want to make sure I'm following your line of reasoning in this thread (as much as it could be called reasoning). You're saying here that there's no substitute for experience (I agree with you here). You also say that people who have actually gone out of their way to get some sort of training still don't have what it takes to efficiently respond to a dangerous situation. And you also want to float the idea that simply playing video games might provide some sort advantage?
 
2012-12-13 01:03:11 AM  

Insatiable Jesus: DaCaptain19: Marcus Aurelius: If he was really on top of things, he would have noticed the shooter was firing an AR-15, and then simply waited for the thing to jam.

You must have a really cheap AR-15. My Colt H-Bar Match Competition AR-15 never has jammed on me once. And I shoot it a LOT. Of course I also clean and oil my guns - you know - maintenance? That helps as well.

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Mags seem to have more to do with jams than the gun itself, in my experience. My pre-ban 30 rd mags have NEVER caused a jam for me, being the real deal. But I've got some cheap 10rd mags that can be counted upon to jam at least once in an afternoon. Granted, this is 7.62 and a real AK I usually shoot, but my Valmet in .223 has never jammed on me with the factory 30rd mags. Cheap ammo might also be a factor?


Try replacing the springs and followers with better quality ones.
 
2012-12-13 08:22:53 AM  

plcow: Kazrath: TheSteamingPile: Kazrath: BHShaman: Let's check in and see in this simulation how well that CoD and the Airsoft folks do with real firearms (shooting real ammo tipped with paint blotters) and in a simulation based on recent events....

Pops

Sorry, but I watched the whole video and that testing was VERY flawed.

#1 The student always sat in the same place for each test
#2 The "Gunman" did exactly the same thing in each scenario. Walk out, shoot the instructor. Turn, fire at the student sitting in step one location.

If the test was more randomized the results would have been quite a bit different.

I am not arguing one main point made in the video. Training for those circumstances will make you react better. There is no doubt about that. I am just complaining about the flawed test being used to "Drive home a point" when the test was geared for failure. I suspect it could have been a trained, active, navy seal and the results would have been the same due to the "script" the gunman was able to play.

Yep, you took the words right off of my fingertips. How many times, in a real world scenario, is a 'bad guy' going to know who the only person in the room with a concealed weapon is AND exactly where they are sitting. Hardly scientific, but then again, the anti-gun lobby will do anything to restrict the rights and freedoms of others.

Also, don't forget, this woman's 'boyfriend' would have had to called the killers sexuality into question at least a dozen times.

I don't want you to misunderstand me here.

If this scenario was run properly:

* Gunman was told he is doing a social experiment on how a classroom reacts to a gunman opening fire. He is given 2 magazines and told to kill as many people as he can w/o leaving the class room. Run this one time before introducing a CHL.

* CHL is doing a (CHL training / gun training) class. Is the only one in the classroom provided a firearm and is told to not let anyone know he has the weapon.

Start scenario:

If the sce ...


My god people what don't you understand? They wanted to show what could happen when someone comes rushing in. The person kicking in the door will be steady since they already are in that mindset. They shot that person first because YOU DON'T KNOW WHO WILL GET SHOT FIRST IN REAL LIFE, they weren't trying to make that guy save the whole room they wanted to see that one person's reaction.

Combat training for those types of scenarios is the only way to not fumble. Shooting at a target at a range is doing nothing to help you for a real situation.
 
2012-12-13 09:54:24 AM  
I often wonder to myself when reading these threads regarding combat and gunfighting: is there anyone on Fark that is a legitimate, trained and tested weapon operator? I mean, blood and guts combat.

I think it's cute that there are lots of people talking about the training that they paid for somehow making them prepared for a shootout or gunfight.

Nothing prepares you. All you can do is train and hope that your muscle memory kicks in. It likely will.

If you can stay calm, everything else follows.

This is coming from experience.

The most trained humans on the planet are still susceptible to hesitation and confusion.
 
2012-12-13 11:12:25 AM  

Artisan Sandwich: I often wonder to myself when reading these threads regarding combat and gunfighting: is there anyone on Fark that is a legitimate, trained and tested weapon operator? I mean, blood and guts combat.


Pretty long odds against it. Even a good third of US frontline soldiers spend their entire military careers without ever actually coming under fire, and the odds for them are orders of magnitude greater than for pretty much any other individual in the country.

/there's a reason why people make comments about how you're more likely to be struck by lightning than die by violence
//which then leads to a lot of confusion when some people decide not to pretend reality is a giant dice game
 
2012-12-13 12:31:44 PM  

Tatterdemalian: Artisan Sandwich: I often wonder to myself when reading these threads regarding combat and gunfighting: is there anyone on Fark that is a legitimate, trained and tested weapon operator? I mean, blood and guts combat.

Pretty long odds against it. Even a good third of US frontline soldiers spend their entire military careers without ever actually coming under fire, and the odds for them are orders of magnitude greater than for pretty much any other individual in the country.


This.

I spent 5 fairly uneventful years in the military, serving with a distinct hangover much of the time, but without much "distinction" at any time.

I spent a grand total of 15 seconds "under fire". That was in Managua, and it was random shooting at our convoy during the withdrawal of ONUCA equipment. We hit the throttles and un-assed the area post-haste. End of "contact".

I've never seen a person get shot. In fact, I've never seena combat injury first-hand. I've seen two deaths and several injuries, but all were non-combat accidents.

I did shoot long-rifle competetively but, aside from that, my basic military weapons training and growing up as a hunter is about as "expert" as I get.

I think that level of experience is probably representative of the vast majority of our resident Fark Warriors(tm), despite the bravado from every Farker who thinks that 50 pushups and a couple of route marches made them a Green Beret. I know lots of real Vets from Afghanistan tours, and they don't glorify or talk up their experiences. Not many REAL combat-experienced types do.
 
2012-12-13 12:52:15 PM  

Highroller48: is there anyone on Fark that is a legitimate, trained and tested weapon operator? I mean, blood and guts combat.


All I can add is that my Dad did SWAT for over 10 years. It was internal to a Prison, so it is different than home breaching and such. As his children we learned what he decided to teach us and almost all of it was about NOT FREEZING. It was about looking first to escape, while covering for loved ones, helping your kids 'play dead' if escape is impossible, and as a last resort how to shoot firearms. I've hunted, played paintball, played airsoft (with BBguns before airsoft), and been trained in shotgun, as well as wrestling and soccer at a very high level in my youth.

What I can tell you is that in airsoft and paintball, I clean house. Because I use cover, have a wide field of vision, and can continue to aim and hit a target under duress. I STILL don't know in the real world if I would freeze up. But, I do know I have a better chance than most. What I don't want is a CCW who passed a paper test shooting me by accident as I try to get the hell away from whomever else might be specifically trying to kill me. Getting a CCW should be WAY HARDER than it is.
 
2012-12-13 01:45:32 PM  
The only thing FPSes might be able to teach you in a real world shooting situation is hiding. Camping like a little biatch is a large part of some of these games, so If you're experienced in doing that, or having it done to you, you'll have a better sense of where to hide to maximize the likelihood that the shooter won't check those spots. Or, if you actually have a CCW, you'll have a better sense of how to set up an ambush. As I always say "don't be a hero; be a coward, shoot them in the back."
 
2012-12-13 02:11:51 PM  

FireZs: As I always say "don't be a hero; be a coward, shoot them in the back."


To hell with that, I'm a CCW holder and my Plan B is "Get the fark out, fast" (Plan A being "Try not to get into that situation in a the first place). Shooting anyone is pretty far down the list of Plans.
 
2012-12-13 04:36:04 PM  

Highroller48: Tatterdemalian: Artisan Sandwich: I often wonder to myself when reading these threads regarding combat and gunfighting: is there anyone on Fark that is a legitimate, trained and tested weapon operator? I mean, blood and guts combat.

Pretty long odds against it. Even a good third of US frontline soldiers spend their entire military careers without ever actually coming under fire, and the odds for them are orders of magnitude greater than for pretty much any other individual in the country.

This.

I spent 5 fairly uneventful years in the military, serving with a distinct hangover much of the time, but without much "distinction" at any time.

I spent a grand total of 15 seconds "under fire". That was in Managua, and it was random shooting at our convoy during the withdrawal of ONUCA equipment. We hit the throttles and un-assed the area post-haste. End of "contact".

I've never seen a person get shot. In fact, I've never seena combat injury first-hand. I've seen two deaths and several injuries, but all were non-combat accidents.

I did shoot long-rifle competetively but, aside from that, my basic military weapons training and growing up as a hunter is about as "expert" as I get.

I think that level of experience is probably representative of the vast majority of our resident Fark Warriors(tm), despite the bravado from every Farker who thinks that 50 pushups and a couple of route marches made them a Green Beret. I know lots of real Vets from Afghanistan tours, and they don't glorify or talk up their experiences. Not many REAL combat-experienced types do.


I would agree with your assessment of Fark Warriors. I fought in Afghanistan, and actually fought. Fark is the only place I ever mention any stories, as I am anonymous and can say whatever I want with no repercussions. But listening to people talk about combat and their expert opinion is funny/saddening/ridiculous. Every situation is different, every person is different, every day is different. There is no one rubric of how a person acts when their life is in danger, and very few people understand that. Additionally, guys who are tough one day are scared shiatless the next. The reason you always hear about a squad/section/platoon/chalk being so tight is that the day that you are having a hard time, someone else will step up and provide that example that you need to see in order to get in gear.

I always give people online too much credit for their opinions.
 
2012-12-13 08:08:40 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Which explains perfectly why some just froze in place and couldn't remember accurately what happened. Mittens? Those were mechanics gloves. They surprised them and they choked, period. Weekend range warriors got pwnd in a situation they even UNDERSTOOD to be a simulation.

The way you people lie, dissemble and nitpick really does betray just how weak you must know your arguments to be. In time, we will grow up and insist on responsible laws for gun ownership, thanks in large part to you folks teaching America that you are batshiat crazy and can't be trusted



The way you lie is shocking, but it shouldn't be. That video doesn't show "CCW holders have trained on the range are confronted with a situation that becomes violent very fast." It shows a single, untrained student faltering against an attacker who knows there will be a single, untrained student in the room to shoot.

And since it's a single video with a single such student, it's about as legitimate as this video of a guy flipping ten heads in a row. The video is disingenuous, and you pointing towards it as evidence is dishonest.
 
2012-12-13 11:20:20 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Stibium: I was unaware that certain states had regulations saying that people carrying guns had to wear helmets, long shirts, and thick mittens.


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Which explains perfectly why some just froze in place and couldn't remember accurately what happened. Mittens? Those were mechanics gloves. They surprised them and they choked, period. Weekend range warriors got pwnd in a situation they even UNDERSTOOD to be a simulation.

The way you people lie, dissemble and nitpick really does betray just how weak you must know your arguments to be. In time, we will grow up and insist on responsible laws for gun ownership, thanks in large part to you folks teaching America that you are batshiat crazy and can't be trusted.


Well SSSSSOOOOORRYYYY for not watching the video for the dozenth time. It's been shown many times and it was BS then and it's BS now, which is why I didn't bother to go another round. And since you probably don't know, mechanic gloves don't give a good tactile feel, as well most, if not all concealable pistols are designed for nothing to be worn on your hands. Gloved fingers don't fit well, and it's much easier to have an ND.

If you are going to make up some argument that seems like prima facia bullshiat you should at least have good arguments. You seem to think deflection and hipsterism are substitutes for reasoning, but thankfully that doesn't quite work out in real life.
 
2012-12-14 12:24:36 AM  

Artisan Sandwich: I would agree with your assessment of Fark Warriors. I fought in Afghanistan, and actually fought. Fark is the only place I ever mention any stories, as I am anonymous and can say whatever I want with no repercussions. But listening to people talk about combat and their expert opinion is funny/saddening/ridiculous. Every situation is different, every person is different, every day is different. There is no one rubric of how a person acts when their life is in danger, and very few people understand that. Additionally, guys who are tough one day are scared shiatless the next. The reason you always hear about a squad/section/platoon/chalk being so tight is that the day that you are having a hard time, someone else will step up and provide that example that you need to see in order to get in gear.I always give people online too much credit for their opinions.


I've never been under fire myself. I do, however, train for it, simply because I don't believe that I, or anyone else, will "rise to the occasion" if it happens, but instead drop to the level of whatever reflexes you've trained yourself to have.

So yeah, I have a different perspective, and probably a different opinion, which is apparently what people consider "trolling" these days. But then, if you wall yourself off in an echo chamber and only let people who have had exactly the same experiences and life stories as you speak up, it's going to get really lonely and really boring really fast.

/and when someone does show up and agrees with everything you say, he/she is more likely to be a con artist trying to scam you
 
2012-12-14 07:56:08 AM  

Tawnos:

The way you lie is shocking, but it shouldn't be. That video doesn't show "CCW holders have trained on the range are confronted with a situation that becomes violent very fast." It shows a single, untrained student faltering against an attacker who knows there will be a single, untrained student in the room to shoot.


It shows a normal person's reaction to that kind of situation that thinks they have some skills. I know it's tough to see something that pops your bubble but that is how a normal person would react. All the paintball and target practice in the world will never make you ready for life and death situations.
 
2012-12-14 11:24:11 AM  

TNel: Tawnos:

The way you lie is shocking, but it shouldn't be. That video doesn't show "CCW holders have trained on the range are confronted with a situation that becomes violent very fast." It shows a single, untrained student faltering against an attacker who knows there will be a single, untrained student in the room to shoot.


It shows a normal person's reaction to that kind of situation that thinks they have some skills. I know it's tough to see something that pops your bubble but that is how a normal person would react. All the paintball and target practice in the world will never make you ready for life and death situations.


It's the equivalent of taking someone who has had a single driving lesson and having someone swerve in front of them and slam on the brakes on a wet road. While an experienced driver may still hit the car, they're more likely to handle the situation well than one who has just learned how to drive. The methodology is shiat, and doesn't stand up to even cursory examination, unless you already are pushing an agenda aligned with the VPC.
 
2012-12-14 02:49:11 PM  

Tawnos:
It's the equivalent of taking someone who has had a single driving lesson and having someone swerve in front of them and slam on the brakes on a wet road. While an experienced driver may still hit the car, they're more likely to handle the situation well than one who has just learned how to drive. The methodology is shiat, and doesn't stand up to even cursory examination, unless you already are pushing an agenda aligned with the VPC.


Why? Because that's what the test is supposed to show, I would like to know how the average person handles themselves and not experts.
 
2012-12-14 04:38:52 PM  

TNel: Tawnos:
It's the equivalent of taking someone who has had a single driving lesson and having someone swerve in front of them and slam on the brakes on a wet road. While an experienced driver may still hit the car, they're more likely to handle the situation well than one who has just learned how to drive. The methodology is shiat, and doesn't stand up to even cursory examination, unless you already are pushing an agenda aligned with the VPC.

Why? Because that's what the test is supposed to show, I would like to know how the average person handles themselves and not experts.


This isn't even an average person who chooses to carry in self-defense, though. It's a single untrained student who doesn't realize the experience he may have volunteered to be part of. How, exactly, does that reflect "the average person"? And how are we supposed to trust that they didn't run this multiple times and only choose the one case that favorably presented their case (consider the "flipping 10 heads" video I posted earlier)?
 
2012-12-15 07:54:47 AM  

Tawnos:
This isn't even an average person who chooses to carry in self-defense


Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal, but I know 5 people in the last 6 months to get a CCW and they have never been to a shooting range, or spend more than 100 rounds shooting their firearm. They also bought their firearm on price and not feel, handling, or experience. I think you are giving CCW more credit than they deserve. YOU may be responsible, practiced, and conscientious. Too many people are getting CCW because of 'FartBama' is making the apocalypse come.
 
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