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2012-12-12 03:38:57 PM

Coiled Hot 1: ChipNASA: If her "boyfriend" plays Call of Duty so much, he's never been in a "tight spot" in his life.

Maybe her snatch??


Maybe if everyone had your same Matrix-like ability to duck and weave, narrowly dodging the point with every turn, these sorts of mass shootings wouldn't pepper the news every other day?
 
2012-12-12 03:39:27 PM
Well, let's not be too hasty, girlfriend. Let's see what his k/d ratio is first before we decide if he could've been a hero or not.
 
2012-12-12 03:39:29 PM

kronicfeld: If the victims had just played more Borderlands, they could've thrown Bloodwing out from behind cover and all of this would've been averted.


He would have just circled around doing nothing until they stood up from cover....
 
2012-12-12 03:39:40 PM
I think I can honestly speak for everyone on FARK when I say that I honestly wish your boyfriend had been there too.

/and the video of his reaction posted on YouTube, of course
//even just this interview after the fact would have been epic
 
2012-12-12 03:40:11 PM

kronicfeld: If the victims had just played more Borderlands, they could've thrown Bloodwing out from behind cover and all of this would've been averted.


I'm playing as the Mechromancer right now, and I love my Deathtrap. Everyone should have a flying pet killbot.
 
2012-12-12 03:40:23 PM

BHShaman: Let's check in and see in this simulation how well that CoD and the Airsoft folks do with real firearms (shooting real ammo tipped with paint blotters) and in a simulation based on recent events....

Pops


Sorry, but I watched the whole video and that testing was VERY flawed.

#1 The student always sat in the same place for each test
#2 The "Gunman" did exactly the same thing in each scenario. Walk out, shoot the instructor. Turn, fire at the student sitting in step one location.

If the test was more randomized the results would have been quite a bit different.

I am not arguing one main point made in the video. Training for those circumstances will make you react better. There is no doubt about that. I am just complaining about the flawed test being used to "Drive home a point" when the test was geared for failure. I suspect it could have been a trained, active, navy seal and the results would have been the same due to the "script" the gunman was able to play.
 
2012-12-12 03:40:28 PM
I wish my boyfriend was here. He played a lot of Team Fortress Classic so he would have infected the shooter and then tossed down a concussion grenade and jumped across the county.
 
2012-12-12 03:42:49 PM
Jesus-f*ckin-Christ.

She should be kicked in the coont until dead. F*cking U.S. is so SO stupid.

I say that as a gun owner. If you own a pistol and you're not shooting 100 rounds or more per month at the range? Just f*cking melt the damn gun down. You clearly cannot be a responsible owner if you have no idea or training or don't continue to practice on how to actually hit your target.

For a country that has guns as part of its culture (U.S.) it is sad that 99.9999999% of our people are totally ignorant and/or plain retarded when it comes to using/owning guns. "OOooooo - 3 people died!" Do you know how many f*ckers died that very day from smoking-related illnesses?

Call of Duty....f*cking shiat for brains, you dumb-f*ck chick.
 
2012-12-12 03:42:56 PM
I wish my daughter was here, she plays Minecraft and could have tamed a wolf to go hostile on his ass.
 
2012-12-12 03:42:57 PM

Glancing Blow: If she was my daughter I'd have a vasectomy.


or a 108th Trimester Abortion?
 
2012-12-12 03:43:32 PM

Albert911emt: Someone actually said that stupid sh*t? I mean, someone actually put those words together into that sentence, and then said it out loud? Wow.


It's no different than when half of fark totally would have blown away the Aurora shooter had only they been there.
 
2012-12-12 03:44:23 PM

DaCaptain19: Jesus-f*ckin-Christ.

She should be kicked in the coont until dead. F*cking U.S. is so SO stupid.

I say that as a gun owner. If you own a pistol and you're not shooting 100 rounds or more per month at the range? Just f*cking melt the damn gun down. You clearly cannot be a responsible owner if you have no idea or training or don't continue to practice on how to actually hit your target.

For a country that has guns as part of its culture (U.S.) it is sad that 99.9999999% of our people are totally ignorant and/or plain retarded when it comes to using/owning guns. "OOooooo - 3 people died!" Do you know how many f*ckers died that very day from smoking-related illnesses?

Call of Duty....f*cking shiat for brains, you dumb-f*ck chick.


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2012-12-12 03:46:55 PM

Kazrath: BHShaman: Let's check in and see in this simulation how well that CoD and the Airsoft folks do with real firearms (shooting real ammo tipped with paint blotters) and in a simulation based on recent events....

Pops

Sorry, but I watched the whole video and that testing was VERY flawed.

#1 The student always sat in the same place for each test
#2 The "Gunman" did exactly the same thing in each scenario. Walk out, shoot the instructor. Turn, fire at the student sitting in step one location.

If the test was more randomized the results would have been quite a bit different.

I am not arguing one main point made in the video. Training for those circumstances will make you react better. There is no doubt about that. I am just complaining about the flawed test being used to "Drive home a point" when the test was geared for failure. I suspect it could have been a trained, active, navy seal and the results would have been the same due to the "script" the gunman was able to play.


Yep, you took the words right off of my fingertips. How many times, in a real world scenario, is a 'bad guy' going to know who the only person in the room with a concealed weapon is AND exactly where they are sitting. Hardly scientific, but then again, the anti-gun lobby will do anything to restrict the rights and freedoms of others.

Also, don't forget, this woman's 'boyfriend' would have had to called the killers sexuality into question at least a dozen times.
 
2012-12-12 03:46:58 PM

ChipNASA: If her "boyfriend" plays Call of Duty so much, he's never been in a "tight spot" in his life.


Including her.
 
2012-12-12 03:50:25 PM
Treygreen13: Insatiable Jesus: I'm just thinking about how an unarmed person might benefit from something they learned playing that a non-player might not know. If you are cowering behind a counter with your family, the shooter stops nearby and you hear a mag release followed by a mag hitting the floor - well, maybe you know you've got a few seconds to jump up and beat that animal to death with the butt of his AR.

Unlikely even then... you'd be foolish to assume that the shooter doesn't have a secondary weapon. Also, unless he's firing a Garand it's unlikely you'd instinctively know the shooter was empty and how long you have before they are reloading.



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I don't know, maybe you can see him. Something else you might learn in playing is that seeing without being seen is also a big part of WIN. I'm not sure how knowing effective ranges in the game would map to real life since the vast majority of us can't tell 100 yards from 200.

I used to play a lot of Ghost Recon and when my son started playing video games I was able to teach him some principles that helped him become a good player pretty quick. Always know what's behind you, stay the fark out of the middle of the map and know where you are and how to get back out to safety.

If any of you are ever in a mall and something like this goes down - know that there are service doors in the rear of every store that leads to the service hallway, the loading dock and out. Stay out of the middle of the map.
 
2012-12-12 03:51:16 PM

Pocket Ninja: It's a well known fact that the marine core watches online game boards and tries to recruit the elite Call of Duty gamers.


Not for the infantry! Not for their gun skills! No...more for involvement in U.S. based computer-operated (e.g. drone) defense.

I'm saying as a Call of Duty player and a gun owner, COD doesn't teach you f*ck about using a gun. I know 99% of farkers have no hobbies other than gaming or LARP so you're gonna have to trust me on this one. Your God of Gaming will not protect you.
 
2012-12-12 03:52:59 PM
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2012-12-12 03:53:49 PM

Marcus Aurelius: If he was really on top of things, he would have noticed the shooter was firing an AR-15, and then simply waited for the thing to jam.


You must have a really cheap AR-15. My Colt H-Bar Match Competition AR-15 never has jammed on me once. And I shoot it a LOT. Of course I also clean and oil my guns - you know - maintenance? That helps as well.
 
2012-12-12 03:56:40 PM
what would Mall Ninja do?
 
2012-12-12 03:56:55 PM

itsdan: "Hon, you stay here, I'm going to go tell the shooter his mother is a whore and try to get him to ragequit."


forget about headline of the year.
we need a comment of the year contest.
 
2012-12-12 03:57:19 PM
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"Dammit, I'm trying honey, but he's not going down.
 
2012-12-12 03:58:27 PM
DaCaptain19: Marcus Aurelius: If he was really on top of things, he would have noticed the shooter was firing an AR-15, and then simply waited for the thing to jam.

You must have a really cheap AR-15. My Colt H-Bar Match Competition AR-15 never has jammed on me once. And I shoot it a LOT. Of course I also clean and oil my guns - you know - maintenance? That helps as well.

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Mags seem to have more to do with jams than the gun itself, in my experience. My pre-ban 30 rd mags have NEVER caused a jam for me, being the real deal. But I've got some cheap 10rd mags that can be counted upon to jam at least once in an afternoon. Granted, this is 7.62 and a real AK I usually shoot, but my Valmet in .223 has never jammed on me with the factory 30rd mags. Cheap ammo might also be a factor?
 
2012-12-12 04:01:30 PM
In a properly organized society everyone in the vicinity of the shooter would have slapped leather and perforated him with a pound and half of lead.

But nooo ... guns are dangerous. Granny should not have a gun. Only the insane and possessed should have guns.
 
2012-12-12 04:01:51 PM
This girl respects a guy's video game skills and all of you are complaining.

Wtf is wrong with all of you.

He probably said "yeah honey. I would have saved you and taken that guy out before he could hurt anyone"

And then what do you think they would have done?
 
2012-12-12 04:02:30 PM

Slaves2Darkness: offmymeds: "He's played a lot of Call of Duty and has a lot of knowledge about guns and what to do in a tight spot."

I know what she means. I've played a lot of Warhammer40k, so I know how to handle Ork invasions.

I've played a lot of Batteltech, so I know how to handle a 70 ton walking tank.


I win in Monopoly most times...I am clearly totally skilled and learned in running a Fortune 500 company.

/also played Battleship. Now I know how to run a battleship, a submarine, an aircraft carrier...
 
2012-12-12 04:02:40 PM
I play the Metroid Prime trilogy religiously, if only I was there to Screw Attack the shooter and then drop a Power Bomb for good measure.

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/would Screw Attack and Power Bomb her, if you get my drift 
 
2012-12-12 04:02:55 PM

Highroller48: Option 1: Sprint across the room and try and melee-kill the guy from behind, hoping like fark he doesn't have "last stand" on.
Option 2: Camp like a noob and wait till it's all over.

Something tells me I'd take option 2.



In a case like that, plan 2 is a pretty sound plan. In all liklihood, in a mall setting you'd have a lot of ground to cover between you and a guy with an AR. It's the plan I'd go with unless when the shiat hit the fan I was right behind him with a brand new Louisville slugger.
 
2012-12-12 04:03:52 PM

Insatiable Jesus: DaCaptain19: Marcus Aurelius: If he was really on top of things, he would have noticed the shooter was firing an AR-15, and then simply waited for the thing to jam.

You must have a really cheap AR-15. My Colt H-Bar Match Competition AR-15 never has jammed on me once. And I shoot it a LOT. Of course I also clean and oil my guns - you know - maintenance? That helps as well.

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Mags seem to have more to do with jams than the gun itself, in my experience. My pre-ban 30 rd mags have NEVER caused a jam for me, being the real deal. But I've got some cheap 10rd mags that can be counted upon to jam at least once in an afternoon. Granted, this is 7.62 and a real AK I usually shoot, but my Valmet in .223 has never jammed on me with the factory 30rd mags. Cheap ammo might also be a factor?


That's why I always equip Pmags in Medal of Honor.
 
2012-12-12 04:05:12 PM

Insatiable Jesus: Mags seem to have more to do with jams than the gun itself, in my experience.


I'm going to say that there is something to that.
 
2012-12-12 04:09:23 PM

Insatiable Jesus: DaCaptain19: Marcus Aurelius: If he was really on top of things, he would have noticed the shooter was firing an AR-15, and then simply waited for the thing to jam.

You must have a really cheap AR-15. My Colt H-Bar Match Competition AR-15 never has jammed on me once. And I shoot it a LOT. Of course I also clean and oil my guns - you know - maintenance? That helps as well.

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Mags seem to have more to do with jams than the gun itself, in my experience. My pre-ban 30 rd mags have NEVER caused a jam for me, being the real deal. But I've got some cheap 10rd mags that can be counted upon to jam at least once in an afternoon. Granted, this is 7.62 and a real AK I usually shoot, but my Valmet in .223 has never jammed on me with the factory 30rd mags. Cheap ammo might also be a factor?


It certainly is the case that the mags may be the issue. I'm not sure what you're talking about..you mention your AK (I have one of those, too)...but in any case my AK uses the 40-round banana mag and I don't recall having an issue with jamming (not to say it hasn't happened). The AK ammo I buy is that cheap, Russian made "Wolf" ammo - your hands are black after handling those rounds. The AR I usually buy some better ammo...like Federal or Hornady. I avoid re-loads for my AR.

I did buy some mags for Glocks but not BY Glock...they fit the gun but they were crap - created jamming issues. Also, some people don't realize is that you do have to clean/oil the magazine, too. Make sure that spring stays true.

But I get what you're saying and it has validity. Didn't mean to downtalk your AR...man those are nice rifles.
 
2012-12-12 04:10:19 PM
I've played a lot of Donkey Kong, so I'm ready to take a sledgehammer and defend IKEA.
 
2012-12-12 04:14:36 PM

Sentient: Hate to break it to ya, but the shooting happened at the food court at a mall, so there were already plenty of cawadoody experts already on hand. Doesn't seem to have helped much.


The cookie stand is NOT part of the Food Court!
 
2012-12-12 04:15:25 PM

RidgeRunner5: Insatiable Jesus: DaCaptain19: Marcus Aurelius: If he was really on top of things, he would have noticed the shooter was firing an AR-15, and then simply waited for the thing to jam.

You must have a really cheap AR-15. My Colt H-Bar Match Competition AR-15 never has jammed on me once. And I shoot it a LOT. Of course I also clean and oil my guns - you know - maintenance? That helps as well.

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Mags seem to have more to do with jams than the gun itself, in my experience. My pre-ban 30 rd mags have NEVER caused a jam for me, being the real deal. But I've got some cheap 10rd mags that can be counted upon to jam at least once in an afternoon. Granted, this is 7.62 and a real AK I usually shoot, but my Valmet in .223 has never jammed on me with the factory 30rd mags. Cheap ammo might also be a factor?

That's why I always equip Pmags in Medal of Honor.


RidgeRunner5: Insatiable Jesus: DaCaptain19: Marcus Aurelius: If he was really on top of things, he would have noticed the shooter was firing an AR-15, and then simply waited for the thing to jam.

You must have a really cheap AR-15. My Colt H-Bar Match Competition AR-15 never has jammed on me once. And I shoot it a LOT. Of course I also clean and oil my guns - you know - maintenance? That helps as well.

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Mags seem to have more to do with jams than the gun itself, in my experience. My pre-ban 30 rd mags have NEVER caused a jam for me, being the real deal. But I've got some cheap 10rd mags that can be counted upon to jam at least once in an afternoon. Granted, this is 7.62 and a real AK I usually shoot, but my Valmet in .223 has never jammed on me with the factory 30rd mags. Cheap ammo might also be a factor?

That's why I always equip Pmags in Medal of Honor.


It may have improved in recent years, but the shorter piston and return spring in collapsible-stock versions of the various M-16 clones always seemed to contribute to increased jams and stoppages, particularly when the jam involved spent casings. At least, that was my experience.
 
2012-12-12 04:15:27 PM
They interviewed the guy from teh Excalibur shop on the radio. Instead of going all Highlander he hid on the ground in the back. Either that or dual wielding axes would have been awesome. Can you imagine the guy thinking.. "now is my time!".
 
2012-12-12 04:16:45 PM
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I know what she means. I've played a lot of Legend of Zelda and has a lot of knowledge about Master Swords and Red Potions and Megaton Hammers and Dominion Rods what to do in a tight spot against an enourmous Goron-eating Dragon or an Korok-eating Plant. I was waiting for Aragon to iPhone me up for Helm's Deep but he never did. I figure he managed without me...so I guess he's got that going for him, which is nice.
 
2012-12-12 04:17:07 PM

DaCaptain19: Jesus-f*ckin-Christ.

She should be kicked in the coont until dead. F*cking U.S. is so SO stupid.

I say that as a gun owner. If you own a pistol and you're not shooting 100 rounds or more per month at the range? Just f*cking melt the damn gun down. You clearly cannot be a responsible owner if you have no idea or training or don't continue to practice on how to actually hit your target.

For a country that has guns as part of its culture (U.S.) it is sad that 99.9999999% of our people are totally ignorant and/or plain retarded when it comes to using/owning guns. "OOooooo - 3 people died!" Do you know how many f*ckers died that very day from smoking-related illnesses?

Call of Duty....f*cking shiat for brains, you dumb-f*ck chick.


Spent 12 years in the USMC Infantry and I find your statement to be of the Highest Quality Derp!
Maybe you need all those hours, but you should shut your caulk holster about how the rest of decide to maintain our skillzzzzz.
Another spastic gun owner.. awesome.
 
2012-12-12 04:17:19 PM
I played a lot of Pac Man, so I'd take a giant pill and then run around trying to eat the ghosts that spent my life fleeing from.
 
2012-12-12 04:18:04 PM

Insatiable Jesus: I can see where having played those types of games might make one better suited than the average person to getting out of a hairy situation involving gunfire. Even in an FPS game cover and concealment are critical. An instinctive understanding of the fact that reload cycle takes time might save somebody's life. Maybe you see the mass shooter drop his AR and pull out a pistol at 50 yards and know that he probably doesn't have a chance in hell of hitting you and you take that moment to run. Or knowing that checking behind you is key.

Not saying it makes anybody an expert at small arms combat, only that some things might be learned that otherwise you would be ignorant of.


Call of duty really doesn't teach you any of that.
 
2012-12-12 04:18:13 PM

vegasj: Can't find a better anti-gun source?


While the video is obviously slanted, the simulation speaks volumes.

The comment was more towards mall ninjas, airsoft, and CoD players who think their hot shiat because they can go get a real gun, aim straight, and then qualify for a CCW. Then, assume they will be kicking ass and taking names.

BTW... I've shot guns since I was 5. My Dad was a SWAT member.
People don't know shiat about what it takes to handle a real situation with real people and real pullets.
Unless you have had significant tactical training, your best bet is to either run like hell or, failing that opportunity, play dead. A CCW WILL NOT help most people. And that is not an "anti-gun' statement.
 
2012-12-12 04:18:34 PM

vudukungfu: Sentient: Hate to break it to ya, but the shooting happened at the food court at a mall, so there were already plenty of cawadoody experts already on hand. Doesn't seem to have helped much.

The cookie stand is NOT part of the Food Court!


This! Eateries that operate within the designated square downstairs count as food court. Anything outside of said designated square counts as an autonomous unit for mid-mall snacking.
 
2012-12-12 04:20:10 PM

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ChipNASA: If her "boyfriend" plays Call of Duty so much, he's never been in a "tight spot" in his life.

Her Boyfriend works as a model.
He's from Canada... you havn't met him.

Funny thing is, if Call of Duty is where they're getting their knowledge from, they're that much more screwed.

/For example, in COD's Russia, their armed forces are supplied mainly by Israeli and Belgian arms manufacturers
//That's just one of the obvious bits
///Ever notice in those games when the front sight disappears from the M16s whenever you mount an optic? Notice what else goes with it? Hint: in real life, no more firing in full or even semi-auto when it's gone


Actually alot barrels are made without iron sight gas blocks and just have low profile gas blocks. The fixed barrel sight makes not a single difference.

See you in COD....
 
2012-12-12 04:20:14 PM

Insatiable Jesus: I can see where having played those types of games might make one better suited than the average person to getting out of a hairy situation involving gunfire. Even in an FPS game cover and concealment are critical. An instinctive understanding of the fact that reload cycle takes time might save somebody's life. Maybe you see the mass shooter drop his AR and pull out a pistol at 50 yards and know that he probably doesn't have a chance in hell of hitting you and you take that moment to run. Or knowing that checking behind you is key.

Not saying it makes anybody an expert at small arms combat, only that some things might be learned that otherwise you would be ignorant of.


Yeah...and when you have a real gun pointed at you or shooting around you, all you'll do is piss/sh*t you pants. But you seem an expert and I am 100% positive that your mind will be so filled with clarity that you will coldly and rationally dispatch said armed person. Or escape. Or remember any f*cking thing from COD.

One major learning of a CCH course (mine was taught by a retired cop...still training cops and marines on marksmanship and was actually once a Texas Ranger)...shooting is easy. Shooting a person is difficult. Shooting an armed person - staying cool, keeping your focus on your sights and NOT the target? Extremely difficult.  And this is assuming, even, that you are properly trained in your gun. COD? You wouldn't know what to do with a gun if it were handed to you.
 
2012-12-12 04:21:27 PM

Highroller48: RidgeRunner5: Insatiable Jesus: DaCaptain19: Marcus Aurelius: If he was really on top of things, he would have noticed the shooter was firing an AR-15, and then simply waited for the thing to jam.

You must have a really cheap AR-15. My Colt H-Bar Match Competition AR-15 never has jammed on me once. And I shoot it a LOT. Of course I also clean and oil my guns - you know - maintenance? That helps as well.

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Mags seem to have more to do with jams than the gun itself, in my experience. My pre-ban 30 rd mags have NEVER caused a jam for me, being the real deal. But I've got some cheap 10rd mags that can be counted upon to jam at least once in an afternoon. Granted, this is 7.62 and a real AK I usually shoot, but my Valmet in .223 has never jammed on me with the factory 30rd mags. Cheap ammo might also be a factor?

That's why I always equip Pmags in Medal of Honor.

RidgeRunner5: Insatiable Jesus: DaCaptain19: Marcus Aurelius: If he was really on top of things, he would have noticed the shooter was firing an AR-15, and then simply waited for the thing to jam.

You must have a really cheap AR-15. My Colt H-Bar Match Competition AR-15 never has jammed on me once. And I shoot it a LOT. Of course I also clean and oil my guns - you know - maintenance? That helps as well.

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Mags seem to have more to do with jams than the gun itself, in my experience. My pre-ban 30 rd mags have NEVER caused a jam for me, being the real deal. But I've got some cheap 10rd mags that can be counted upon to jam at least once in an afternoon. Granted, this is 7.62 and a real AK I usually shoot, but my Valmet in .223 has never jammed on me with the factory 30rd mags. Cheap ammo might also be a factor?

That's why I always equip Pmags in Medal of Honor.

It may have improved in recent years, but the shorter piston and return spring in collapsible-stock versions of the various M-16 clones always seemed to contribute to increased jams and stoppages, particu ...


The vast majority of extraction failures will be because there wasn't enough gas to push the bolt carrier all the way back. This can happen if the ammo is underpowered, or if the gun has been fired so much the carbon buildup in the receiver increases friction enough to slow it down. I had a chrome plated BCG, which made cleaning just a matter of wiping it down with a couple patches and re-oiling it.
 
2012-12-12 04:22:27 PM

BHShaman: Let's check in and see in this simulation how well that CoD and the Airsoft folks do with real firearms (shooting real ammo tipped with paint blotters) and in a simulation based on recent events....

Pops


I can set the exact same thing up to prove the opposite.

Mostly because it's a crock of shiat.
 
2012-12-12 04:22:48 PM

Treygreen13: DaCaptain19: Jesus-f*ckin-Christ.

She should be kicked in the coont until dead. F*cking U.S. is so SO stupid.

I say that as a gun owner. If you own a pistol and you're not shooting 100 rounds or more per month at the range? Just f*cking melt the damn gun down. You clearly cannot be a responsible owner if you have no idea or training or don't continue to practice on how to actually hit your target.

For a country that has guns as part of its culture (U.S.) it is sad that 99.9999999% of our people are totally ignorant and/or plain retarded when it comes to using/owning guns. "OOooooo - 3 people died!" Do you know how many f*ckers died that very day from smoking-related illnesses?

Call of Duty....f*cking shiat for brains, you dumb-f*ck chick.

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I love lamp.
 
2012-12-12 04:23:27 PM

Dixon Cider: DaCaptain19: Jesus-f*ckin-Christ.

She should be kicked in the coont until dead. F*cking U.S. is so SO stupid.

I say that as a gun owner. If you own a pistol and you're not shooting 100 rounds or more per month at the range? Just f*cking melt the damn gun down. You clearly cannot be a responsible owner if you have no idea or training or don't continue to practice on how to actually hit your target.

For a country that has guns as part of its culture (U.S.) it is sad that 99.9999999% of our people are totally ignorant and/or plain retarded when it comes to using/owning guns. "OOooooo - 3 people died!" Do you know how many f*ckers died that very day from smoking-related illnesses?

Call of Duty....f*cking shiat for brains, you dumb-f*ck chick.

Spent 12 years in the USMC Infantry and I find your statement to be of the Highest Quality Derp!
Maybe you need all those hours, but you should shut your caulk holster about how the rest of decide to maintain our skillzzzzz.
Another spastic gun owner.. awesome.


Another trained gun owner. You apparently don't know shiat AND you are a first-class liar. So...bye.
 
2012-12-12 04:25:16 PM

Kazrath: BHShaman: Let's check in and see in this simulation how well that CoD and the Airsoft folks do with real firearms (shooting real ammo tipped with paint blotters) and in a simulation based on recent events....

Pops

Sorry, but I watched the whole video and that testing was VERY flawed.

#1 The student always sat in the same place for each test
#2 The "Gunman" did exactly the same thing in each scenario. Walk out, shoot the instructor. Turn, fire at the student sitting in step one location.

If the test was more randomized the results would have been quite a bit different.



Right. If the shooter came into the room and started shooting random people instead of following his script then there would be a whole lot of dead people and maybe a dead shooter. The point was to quickly demonstrate the reactive abilities of someone who has gone through a typical CCW. Which was accurately portrayed.

I know people who went through CCW and have NEVER OWNED A GUN. They walked out with a permit with no promise of ever even practicing with one before loading up and hitting the streets.

CCW are valid, people should be able to get them,
There should be more to the license than a mostly verbal course and some basic firearm instruction.
Even a driver's license requires you to show you can navigate a road.
CCW should require a proficiency test through a shooting gallery.
 
2012-12-12 04:28:52 PM
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2012-12-12 04:31:08 PM

Insatiable Jesus: Did you even watch it and have any specific disagreement with their conclusions and methodology or do I need to add you to the derplist?


They take an untrained student, give that person a gun, put them in a room with a shooter who knows he has two targets, and then run the scenario. When the police do active shooter training, they don't know the number of shooters or their location. Why would an active shooter know more than that?

When the police ran the active shooter scenario and I was the gunman, I was able to shoot three of the four of them and they missed their shots (with AR-15s - I had an arc of misses around me, probably due to the shock of being headshot with simunitions and the splat of paint obstructing view). They give you only four rounds, and my shots were two in the head of the first two guys, and two in the chest of the third (would have been stopped by their body armor with the GLOCK 17 we were using, but would have knocked the wind out of the officer). Most of the other people there, including those without experience shooting, were able to hit at least one of the officers, usually two.

If someone is targeting you to surprise kill you, they are extremely likely to succeed. Even if you're armed and trained. However, a shooter intent on getting a body count would not have the likelihood to get a person who carries a firearm and knows how to use it is far more likely to succeed than a student who was just given a brief "here are the basics of how to shoot a gun."

The scenario in the video is bullshiat.
 
2012-12-12 04:31:17 PM

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ChipNASA: If her "boyfriend" plays Call of Duty so much, he's never been in a "tight spot" in his life.

Her Boyfriend works as a model.
He's from Canada... you havn't met him.

Funny thing is, if Call of Duty is where they're getting their knowledge from, they're that much more screwed.

/For example, in COD's Russia, their armed forces are supplied mainly by Israeli and Belgian arms manufacturers
//That's just one of the obvious bits
///Ever notice in those games when the front sight disappears from the M16s whenever you mount an optic? Notice what else goes with it? Hint: in real life, no more firing in full or even semi-auto when it's gone

Actually alot barrels are made without iron sight gas blocks and just have low profile gas blocks. The fixed barrel sight makes not a single difference.

See you in COD....


I know that. They don't seem to, though - neither the gamers nor the devs.

One thing I don't like about those games - by the third Modern Warfare, the guns are so ridiculously stylized that it's painful to just look at them. The AA-12, for example...Jesus.
 
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