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(The Daily Beast)   Mall employee on shooting: "I wish my boyfriend was there. He's played a lot of Call of Duty and has a lot of knowledge about guns and what to do in a tight spot"   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 232
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2012-12-12 02:58:13 PM

BHShaman: Let's check in and see in this simulation how well that CoD and the Airsoft folks do with real firearms (shooting real ammo tipped with paint blotters) and in a simulation based on recent events....

Pops


Pretty much what I expected.

Though I have to say, I am surprised there are not more cases each year of a CCW holder shooting a black man putting his hand into his pocket because "He was going for his gun"
 
2012-12-12 02:58:52 PM
I've played a lot of Techmo Super Bowl in my day, but the Patriots still aren't returning my calls.

/their loss
 
2012-12-12 02:58:57 PM
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2012-12-12 02:59:00 PM
Retards, retards everywhere!
 
2012-12-12 02:59:23 PM

Insatiable Jesus: I can see where having played those types of games might make one better suited than the average person to getting out of a hairy situation involving gunfire. Even in an FPS game cover and concealment are critical. An instinctive understanding of the fact that reload cycle takes time might save somebody's life. Maybe you see the mass shooter drop his AR and pull out a pistol at 50 yards and know that he probably doesn't have a chance in hell of hitting you and you take that moment to run. Or knowing that checking behind you is key.

Not saying it makes anybody an expert at small arms combat, only that some things might be learned that otherwise you would be ignorant of.


It also helps if you have auto-aim turned on.
 
2012-12-12 02:59:37 PM

BHShaman: Pops


thanks for that link I should post that on a friend of mine's facebook page since he posts CCW articles literally all the time and praises people who carry and thinks that anybody can pick off people.
 
2012-12-12 02:59:37 PM
Goddammit Leeroy.
 
2012-12-12 02:59:41 PM
Well, I've played lots of CoD...

Option 1: Sprint across the room and try and melee-kill the guy from behind, hoping like fark he doesn't have "last stand" on.
Option 2: Camp like a noob and wait till it's all over.

Something tells me I'd take option 2.
 
2012-12-12 02:59:52 PM

Insatiable Jesus: I can see where having played those types of games might make one better suited than the average person to getting out of a hairy situation involving gunfire. Even in an FPS game cover and concealment are critical. An instinctive understanding of the fact that reload cycle takes time might save somebody's life. Maybe you see the mass shooter drop his AR and pull out a pistol at 50 yards and know that he probably doesn't have a chance in hell of hitting you and you take that moment to run. Or knowing that checking behind you is key.

Not saying it makes anybody an expert at small arms combat, only that some things might be learned that otherwise you would be ignorant of.


You also learn never to stand near red barrels.
 
2012-12-12 03:01:19 PM

Jument: For her sake, I hope she's hot.


Is this her?

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2012-12-12 03:01:25 PM
Right Hon, your BF would wet his pants
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2012-12-12 03:01:52 PM

way south: [dl.dropbox.com image 311x311]

ChipNASA: If her "boyfriend" plays Call of Duty so much, he's never been in a "tight spot" in his life.

Her Boyfriend works as a model.
He's from Canada... you havn't met him.


Funny thing is, if Call of Duty is where they're getting their knowledge from, they're that much more screwed.

/For example, in COD's Russia, their armed forces are supplied mainly by Israeli and Belgian arms manufacturers
//That's just one of the obvious bits
///Ever notice in those games when the front sight disappears from the M16s whenever you mount an optic? Notice what else goes with it? Hint: in real life, no more firing in full or even semi-auto when it's gone
 
2012-12-12 03:02:26 PM
like what you dumb biatch?

spawn camp?

have a 10 yr old to suck his fragg'n cawk???

/hate COD players
 
2012-12-12 03:03:23 PM
I played a lot of Quake 2, Clan Arena. So I know everything there is to know about shooting an explosive at your feet and jumping at the same time it explodes, so that I can propel myself at nearly the speed of sound through hallways full of sharp corners. The key is bunny hopping.
 
2012-12-12 03:03:39 PM
When he's not playing COD they're both in bed making hot passionate love to a domino's philly cheese steak pizza. There's no love like a warrior's love.
 
2012-12-12 03:04:00 PM

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wrong thread.....unless there's a hidden meaning with your post.
 
2012-12-12 03:04:04 PM
Dude, dude, I hear ya. After I saw The World at War on TV, man, like, Bataan and Tobruk NEVER would have fallen if I'd been there, dude.
 
2012-12-12 03:04:15 PM

DarkPascual: itsdan: "Hon, you stay here, I'm going to go tell the shooter his mother is a whore and try to get him to ragequit."

Done in 1...


Agreed,done in 1
 
2012-12-12 03:04:47 PM
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I'd take a shot at her
 
2012-12-12 03:08:56 PM

Insatiable Jesus: I can see where having played those types of games might make one better suited than the average person to getting out of a hairy situation involving gunfire. Even in an FPS game cover and concealment are critical. An instinctive understanding of the fact that reload cycle takes time might save somebody's life. Maybe you see the mass shooter drop his AR and pull out a pistol at 50 yards and know that he probably doesn't have a chance in hell of hitting you and you take that moment to run. Or knowing that checking behind you is key.

Not saying it makes anybody an expert at small arms combat, only that some things might be learned that otherwise you would be ignorant of.


Yeah but if he's got quick hands perk enabled, it's going to be hard to predict those reloads...
 
2012-12-12 03:09:16 PM

Lumbar Puncture: Insatiable Jesus: I can see where having played those types of games might make one better suited than the average person to getting out of a hairy situation involving gunfire. Even in an FPS game cover and concealment are critical. An instinctive understanding of the fact that reload cycle takes time might save somebody's life. Maybe you see the mass shooter drop his AR and pull out a pistol at 50 yards and know that he probably doesn't have a chance in hell of hitting you and you take that moment to run. Or knowing that checking behind you is key.

Not saying it makes anybody an expert at small arms combat, only that some things might be learned that otherwise you would be ignorant of.

You also learn never to stand near red barrels.


"Watch out for the Grenade Danger Indicator".

Also, you can reload after every shot and you get to keep the bullets from the partially-spent mag

P.S.: If you get shot, lie down for 10 seconds until your body has healed.
 
2012-12-12 03:10:42 PM

BHShaman: Let's check in and see in this simulation how well that CoD and the Airsoft folks do with real firearms (shooting real ammo tipped with paint blotters) and in a simulation based on recent events....

Pops


dude, you posted a link to a video by ABC for one... and that has 1,630 thumbs up yet 19,557 thumbs down. Can't find a better anti-gun source?

 
2012-12-12 03:11:01 PM
I only play 'Hello Kitty adventure island' and never leave the house which virtually eliminates the possibility of being a victim of this sort of crime.

/People still go to the mall?
 
2012-12-12 03:11:43 PM
People who learned about guns from the news, movies, TV, video games, f'ing politicians...

This is why when I teach a new shooter, we do the first lesson in a room with no ammo in it.

The more they think they know, the longer you spend unteaching them.

Frankly, this is why the women new-shooters get better, faster, than the men.

Well, that, and they actually listen to my daughter when she's showing them how to use her pink .22 AR-15 rather than just thinking "That's so cute!" Mister Call-Of-Duty, my tiny half-asian 9-year-old can outshoot your punk ass with her suppressed My Little Pony M-Forgery because she only knows real guns. She gets on the trigger and its Srs Bzns.
 
2012-12-12 03:12:20 PM
That made me think of the time I watch my nephew playing Call of Duty and he was trying to impress me with the game and it realism, because he knows that I have been in combat many times. I listened to him tell me how this is just like real combat as his player ran through the middle of an empty parking lot getting shot many times in the process. Yep that is just the way I fought too.
 
2012-12-12 03:13:05 PM

LeroyBourne: When he's not playing COD they're both in bed making hot passionate love to a domino's philly cheese steak pizza. There's no love like a warrior's love.


Domino's philly cheese steak pizza is my preferred partner (I frakkin love those things).

/former Infantryman so I got a kick out of her comments.
 
2012-12-12 03:13:09 PM
Well, after reading all of the comments so far, I think we can all pretty much agree that computer games and real life are virtually one and the same.
 
2012-12-12 03:14:24 PM
BHShaman: Let's check in and see in this simulation how well that CoD and the Airsoft folks do with real firearms (shooting real ammo tipped with paint blotters) and in a simulation based on recent events....

Pops



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Pretty much what I figured. All of that time and money spent at the range means a helluva lot less than having control over your lizard brain when the shiat hits the fan. I experienced this first hand when learning to skydive. You begin to get upset during your training for that first AFF because they make you go through your procedures OVER and OVER again. All you really have to do is hold a box position and then find your ass to pull the pud. How hard can it be to find your ass? Not hard on the ground. But while falling out of the sky it becomes a little more difficult. Your brain goes into survival mode, you experience temporal disorientation and can stumble or freeze on the simplest of steps. But as you jump more, the Circle of Awareness begins to open up and what you remember will more closely resemble what you see on video later.

I would say that CCW holders would do themselves a great service by learning to skydive or engaging in some other thrill sport that invokes the lizard brain and learn to make friends with it because it is not your friend the first time you meet it.
 
2012-12-12 03:14:30 PM

Profedius: That made me think of the time I watch my nephew playing Call of Duty and he was trying to impress me with the game and it realism, because he knows that I have been in combat many times. I listened to him tell me how this is just like real combat as his player ran through the middle of an empty parking lot getting shot many times in the process. Yep that is just the way I fought too.


Finally somebody put your nephew in his place.
 
2012-12-12 03:15:05 PM
She means die, right?

plausdeny: People who learned about guns from the news, movies, TV, video games, f'ing politicians...

This is why when I teach a new shooter, we do the first lesson in a room with no ammo in it.

The more they think they know, the longer you spend unteaching them.

Frankly, this is why the women new-shooters get better, faster, than the men.

Well, that, and they actually listen to my daughter when she's showing them how to use her pink .22 AR-15 rather than just thinking "That's so cute!" Mister Call-Of-Duty, my tiny half-asian 9-year-old can outshoot your punk ass with her suppressed My Little Pony M-Forgery because she only knows real guns. She gets on the trigger and its Srs Bzns.


THIS^^^

Absolutely right. I knew a clinical professor of abdominal surgery once who told me "I can teach someone how to cut in about three months. It takes the other four years and nine months to teach them when not to cut." He was using hyperbole, of course, but his point was correct.
 
2012-12-12 03:16:34 PM
"I wish my boyfriend was there. He's played a lot of Combat Arms and has a lot of knowledge about hacking and hurling Portuguese cuss words and racial slurs."

FTFM
 
2012-12-12 03:19:54 PM

vegasj: BHShaman: Let's check in and see in this simulation how well that CoD and the Airsoft folks do with real firearms (shooting real ammo tipped with paint blotters) and in a simulation based on recent events....

Pops

dude, you posted a link to a video by ABC for one... and that has 1,630 thumbs up yet 19,557 thumbs down. Can't find a better anti-gun source?



Youtube downvotes.... destroyer of facts.
 
2012-12-12 03:21:56 PM
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2012-12-12 03:22:04 PM

Insatiable Jesus: I can see where having played those types of games might make one better suited than the average person to getting out of a hairy situation involving gunfire. Even in an FPS game cover and concealment are critical. An instinctive understanding of the fact that reload cycle takes time might save somebody's life. Maybe you see the mass shooter drop his AR and pull out a pistol at 50 yards and know that he probably doesn't have a chance in hell of hitting you and you take that moment to run. Or knowing that checking behind you is key.

Not saying it makes anybody an expert at small arms combat, only that some things might be learned that otherwise you would be ignorant of.


That and sight picture, but that's about all I can think of.
 
2012-12-12 03:22:19 PM
maybe BF would have been there had he not been playing CoD :(
 
2012-12-12 03:24:43 PM

Sweaty Dynamite: [i641.photobucket.com image 360x236]


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2012-12-12 03:25:57 PM
I play a lot of Galaga, so I know how to defend against flying aliens.
 
2012-12-12 03:26:17 PM
puppetmaster745: Insatiable Jesus: I can see where having played those types of games might make one better suited than the average person to getting out of a hairy situation involving gunfire. Even in an FPS game cover and concealment are critical. An instinctive understanding of the fact that reload cycle takes time might save somebody's life. Maybe you see the mass shooter drop his AR and pull out a pistol at 50 yards and know that he probably doesn't have a chance in hell of hitting you and you take that moment to run. Or knowing that checking behind you is key.

Not saying it makes anybody an expert at small arms combat, only that some things might be learned that otherwise you would be ignorant of.

That and sight picture, but that's about all I can think of.


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I'm not even talking about an armed gamer.

I'm just thinking about how an unarmed person might benefit from something they learned playing that a non-player might not know. If you are cowering behind a counter with your family, the shooter stops nearby and you hear a mag release followed by a mag hitting the floor - well, maybe you know you've got a few seconds to jump up and beat that animal to death with the butt of his AR.
 
2012-12-12 03:27:12 PM
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Numchuck skills... bowhunting skills... computer hacking skills...
Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills. Gah!
 
2012-12-12 03:27:49 PM
vegasj: BHShaman: Let's check in and see in this simulation how well that CoD and the Airsoft folks do with real firearms (shooting real ammo tipped with paint blotters) and in a simulation based on recent events....

Pops

dude, you posted a link to a video by ABC for one... and that has 1,630 thumbs up yet 19,557 thumbs down. Can't find a better anti-gun source?



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Did you even watch it and have any specific disagreement with their conclusions and methodology or do I need to add you to the derplist?
 
2012-12-12 03:30:03 PM
*reads headline 

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2012-12-12 03:31:20 PM

Insatiable Jesus: I can see where having played those types of games might make one better suited than the average person to getting out of a hairy situation involving gunfire. Even in an FPS game cover and concealment are critical. An instinctive understanding of the fact that reload cycle takes time might save somebody's life. Maybe you see the mass shooter drop his AR and pull out a pistol at 50 yards and know that he probably doesn't have a chance in hell of hitting you and you take that moment to run. Or knowing that checking behind you is key.

Not saying it makes anybody an expert at small arms combat, only that some things might be learned that otherwise you would be ignorant of.


You are grossly overestimating the thought process of the kids that play Call of Duty.
 
2012-12-12 03:31:24 PM

Blues_X: vegasj: BHShaman: Let's check in and see in this simulation how well that CoD and the Airsoft folks do with real firearms (shooting real ammo tipped with paint blotters) and in a simulation based on recent events....

Pops

dude, you posted a link to a video by ABC for one... and that has 1,630 thumbs up yet 19,557 thumbs down. Can't find a better anti-gun source?


Youtube downvotes.... destroyer of facts.


Or you could just look at the video and form your own doubts there.

I can't really profess to know what the typical duration of a trip to the range is, but if one was serious at all about shooting, I'd imagine they'd bypass 100 hours relatively quickly. Then the question comes up of how much of that would be actual crisis or combat training. And of course, there's also a question of familiarity with the weapon to begin with - if that 100 hours was spent largely shooting at old tin cans with Grandpappy's Ruger Mk. II, that's a whole different ball game than a 9mm Glock. Larger gun, larger bullet, different trigger - the average person won't get to know things like that in a matter of minutes.
 
2012-12-12 03:33:41 PM
Life is short, respawn often.
 
2012-12-12 03:33:58 PM
If the victims had just played more Borderlands, they could've thrown Bloodwing out from behind cover and all of this would've been averted.
 
2012-12-12 03:35:20 PM

Insatiable Jesus: I'm just thinking about how an unarmed person might benefit from something they learned playing that a non-player might not know. If you are cowering behind a counter with your family, the shooter stops nearby and you hear a mag release followed by a mag hitting the floor - well, maybe you know you've got a few seconds to jump up and beat that animal to death with the butt of his AR.


Unlikely even then... you'd be foolish to assume that the shooter doesn't have a secondary weapon. Also, unless he's firing a Garand it's unlikely you'd instinctively know the shooter was empty and how long you have before they are reloading.

You might learn the effective range of some weapons (although you'd probably also learn that running into fire that only *might* kill you is still a bad idea) and what sort of material would serve as "cover" rather than "concealment". Since CoD introduced bullet penetration it's possible that you look at the overturned mattress and realize that it's not going to do anything but contain your blood splatter.
 
2012-12-12 03:36:20 PM
Oh, common! Nobody would actually say that!

/Read TFA
//Weeps for humanity
 
2012-12-12 03:36:32 PM

Glancing Blow: If she was my daughter I'd have a vasectomy.


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2012-12-12 03:37:07 PM
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what's a battle
 
2012-12-12 03:37:55 PM
Hate to break it to ya, but the shooting happened at the food court at a mall, so there were already plenty of cawadoody experts already on hand. Doesn't seem to have helped much.
 
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