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Nina_Hartley's_Ass		2012-12-12 06:31:55 PM

Creoena: Missing from the list - anything done Gundam style

I think everything should be done Gundam style.
Getting tired of Gangnam style, tho.

mikefinch		2012-12-12 06:32:05 PM

HeartBurnKid: The word "swag" should only refer to free things you get from conventions and trade shows.

This -- i thought swag was free promotional merchandise... Thats how everyone i know uses it. That or someone is insinuating that their marijuana is of high quality.

And i love my toe shoes. If you step in vomit then you go walk through a puddle. Simple. I hate wearing shoes and socks because my feet always start to smell just terrible. Toe shoes feel sooooooooo comfortable compared to shoes and they let my feet breath so they dont reek like hell. Also damnit they are so much better on my ankles. Utility and pragmatism wins over fashion every time.

Bacon is delish but everything has its limits. If you really cared about bacon you wouldn't be slathering it with chocolate or overloading it onto sandwiches so as that one might as well just throw the bread and tomato away.

Skinny jeans are fine -- They act as a big warning sign that someone is a walking brain fart. Thats nice to have.

What needs to end in 2013? -------- Choreographed song and dance numbers as part of prime time TV. If i wanted to watch glee i would watch glee. And i cannot for the life of me figure out why every damn SNL needs to have the guest involved in a song were the monolog used to be... It grates on my nerves.

Bill Frist		2012-12-12 06:34:11 PM

FriarReb98: Talking incessantly about Apple products: It's funny that Apple's most famous commercial was about releasing brain dead zombies from the technology status quo, and now you can't swing an iPhone without some other Apple-obsessed maniac evangelizing at you about how "THIS IS THE MOST INTUITIVE AND BEAUTIFUL PRODUCT ON THE MARKET!" Then there are the people who put the Apple stickers on their cars, so that other drivers may know they have an expensive computer. Oy vey. Great, you love a multibillion-dollar corporation.

I honestly had never thought of it this way. But now that you mention it...yes, it's almost exactly that.

I get seriously depressed listening to people who just go on and on about how they love this or that horrible multi-national corporation. 95% of the time it's Apple fanboys, but the handful of Sony or Microsoft obsessives are just as bad.

spamdog		2012-12-12 06:35:47 PM

Count me in for bacon, zombies, steampunk, and gawker site links. My Little Pony could stand to die, too.

As for swag and yolo - I have never actually heard these terms used seriously. I have heard a shiatload of biatching about them though. If you'd just shut up about it, it might go away.

StoPPeRmobile		2012-12-12 06:43:35 PM

smimmy: tobcc: Skinny Jeans are fine, on hot women, men should never, ever wear them.

I was in line for Cinnabon at the mall and saw out of the corner of my eye what appeared to be a couple of lesbians necking. Nope, one was a dude with a lesbo haircut and skinny jeans. Disappointing. I just do not understand this generation at all. Is it supposed to be the logical extension of the metrosexual movement where men, instead of dressing girlishly sharp, now dress like frumpy lesbians?

I say.
25.media.tumblr.com

Bill Frist		2012-12-12 06:43:46 PM

Pretending that being a nerd is a bad thing anymore: It's no longer self-deprecating to call yourself a "nerd"-"I'm reading 'Game of Thrones.' SO NERDY!"-so stop pretending that it is. Nerds started Apple and Facebook and everything else people obsess over nowadays, and comic book movies are consistent blockbusters at theaters. Nerds are the most powerful people in the world now. Nerds are the new jocks.

This is the worst one.

It isn't just pretending "nerd" is bad, but also the whole idea that you are a "nerd" for liking shiat that everyone else likes. You watched Star Wars, one of the most succesful film franchises ever? You watch a popular TV show like Game of Thrones? You read popular books like Hunger Games? You know the names of the superheros in the Avengers, one of the best box office movies in recent history? You play video games like half the country does?

None of that shiat makes you a nerd!!!

Do the needful		2012-12-12 06:48:35 PM

Bill Frist: It isn't just pretending "nerd" is bad, but also the whole idea that you are a "nerd" for liking shiat that everyone else likes. You watched Star Wars, one of the most succesful film franchises ever? You watch a popular TV show like Game of Thrones? You read popular books like Hunger Games? You know the names of the superheros in the Avengers, one of the best box office movies in recent history? You play video games like half the country does?

None of that shiat makes you a nerd!!!

Exactly. Call me when you have written a sudoku game (or anything) in 6502 assembler!

/High five.

Kaeishiwaza		2012-12-12 06:49:42 PM

FTFA: "Dubstep: Dubstep is unlistenable garbage. No more dubstep in 2013."

God yes please. Make it farking stop.

Bondith		2012-12-12 06:49:47 PM

Bill Frist: Pretending that being a nerd is a bad thing anymore: It's no longer self-deprecating to call yourself a "nerd"-"I'm reading 'Game of Thrones.' SO NERDY!"-so stop pretending that it is. Nerds started Apple and Facebook and everything else people obsess over nowadays, and comic book movies are consistent blockbusters at theaters. Nerds are the most powerful people in the world now. Nerds are the new jocks.

This is the worst one.

It isn't just pretending "nerd" is bad, but also the whole idea that you are a "nerd" for liking shiat that everyone else likes. You watched Star Wars, one of the most succesful film franchises ever? You watch a popular TV show like Game of Thrones? You read popular books like Hunger Games? You know the names of the superheros in the Avengers, one of the best box office movies in recent history? You play video games like half the country does?

None of that shiat makes you a nerd!!!

I was a nerd before nerds were cool.

/the irony in that statement is threatening to suck my keyboard into a black hole of hipster-nerd douchebaggery

Tr0mBoNe		2012-12-12 06:52:20 PM

Bill Frist:
None of that shiat makes you a nerd!!!

Right. My 3D printer, HO scale train layout, handmade mechanical computer and bed shaped like a race car make me a nerd.

Incorrigible Astronaut		2012-12-12 06:52:35 PM

spamdog: Count me in for bacon, zombies, steampunk, and gawker site links. My Little Pony could stand to die, too.

As for swag and yolo - I have never actually heard these terms used seriously. I have heard a shiatload of biatching about them though. If you'd just shut up about it, it might go away.

I love bacon, but I'm with TFA on the sudden obsession with it- let Ron Swanson use it as a joke and simply eat it as normal. Steampunk and Gawker are played out too- it's a shame that Kotaku has gone so far downhill since being acquired by the company.

MLP (and Bronies specifically) is something that I've absolutely hated this year- the one time that I've ever really flown off the handle on Fark was replying to Brony and Bronco fan club president Captain Steroid ripping on the Chiefs in the sports tab- but at this point, fark it- it'll pass soon enough.

I'm with you on SWAG and YOLO- maybe it's a sign that I'm getting older (28), but absolutely nobody that I'm around uses those at all, let alone as obnoxiously as TFA implies.

Creoena		2012-12-12 06:53:15 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Creoena: Missing from the list - anything done Gundam style

I think everything should be done Gundam style.
Getting tired of Gangnam style, tho.

That too.

/Should really proofread.

Bill Frist		2012-12-12 06:55:40 PM

Bondith: Bill Frist: Pretending that being a nerd is a bad thing anymore: It's no longer self-deprecating to call yourself a "nerd"-"I'm reading 'Game of Thrones.' SO NERDY!"-so stop pretending that it is. Nerds started Apple and Facebook and everything else people obsess over nowadays, and comic book movies are consistent blockbusters at theaters. Nerds are the most powerful people in the world now. Nerds are the new jocks.

This is the worst one.

It isn't just pretending "nerd" is bad, but also the whole idea that you are a "nerd" for liking shiat that everyone else likes. You watched Star Wars, one of the most succesful film franchises ever? You watch a popular TV show like Game of Thrones? You read popular books like Hunger Games? You know the names of the superheros in the Avengers, one of the best box office movies in recent history? You play video games like half the country does?

None of that shiat makes you a nerd!!!

I was a nerd before nerds were cool.

/the irony in that statement is threatening to suck my keyboard into a black hole of hipster-nerd douchebaggery

Nerds were never really cool, but at least it used to mean that you liked a certain class of things that other people didn't like (just like being a punk or goth did with other things).

Now every farking person calls themselves a nerd just cause they... like what everyone else likes!

CSM101		2012-12-12 06:56:11 PM

KidSock2004: This is such a Gawker article. I'm surprised half of the list wasn't just "patriarchy" or "offensive jokes" or other things they just constantly biatch over

That's Jezebel.

DontMakeMeComeBackThere		2012-12-12 07:03:13 PM

Who the fark is Karmin?

Seriously, never heard of them

Arachnophobe		2012-12-12 07:05:03 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Who the fark is Karmin?

Seriously, never heard of them

Oh good, I'm not the only one.

Bill Frist		2012-12-12 07:20:50 PM

Arachnophobe: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Who the fark is Karmin?

Seriously, never heard of them

Oh good, I'm not the only one.

Keep it that way!

Skyrmion		2012-12-12 07:30:38 PM

Stratohead: LowbrowDeluxe: Stratohead: Tax Boy: #24 Zombies in everything

/2013 is going to be the year of the mummy

#25 "Steampunk" anything

You know what, both of you can go fark yourselves. Name 5 steampunk media released in the last year. I dare you. I DOUBLE farkING DARE you.
Back at you you lazy bastard

heres the deal, anything good can be ruined by over-exposure.

You basically proved his point since you apparently couldn't name a single one without looking it up. The idea that steampunk is somehow "overexposed" to anyone who hasn't gone well out of their way to look for it is ridiculous.

WhippingBoy		2012-12-12 07:32:36 PM

Do the needful: Bill Frist: It isn't just pretending "nerd" is bad, but also the whole idea that you are a "nerd" for liking shiat that everyone else likes. You watched Star Wars, one of the most succesful film franchises ever? You watch a popular TV show like Game of Thrones? You read popular books like Hunger Games? You know the names of the superheros in the Avengers, one of the best box office movies in recent history? You play video games like half the country does?

None of that shiat makes you a nerd!!!

Exactly. Call me when you have written a sudoku game (or anything) in 6502 assembler!

/High five.

Your newsletter. I would like to subscribe. Cheque in mail.

StoPPeRmobile		2012-12-12 07:35:55 PM

Bill Frist: Nerds were never really cool, but at least it used to mean that you liked a certain class of things that other people didn't like (just like being a punk or goth did with other things).

Now every farking person calls themselves a nerd just cause they... like what everyone else likes!

If it takes me a couple of hours to know all you know about a topic, you are not a nerd.

thisiszombocom		2012-12-12 07:43:57 PM

SKINNY JEANS ACCENTUATE MY MANLY ASS SO SHUT UP ABOUT THEM

WhippingBoy		2012-12-12 07:46:59 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Bill Frist: Nerds were never really cool, but at least it used to mean that you liked a certain class of things that other people didn't like (just like being a punk or goth did with other things).

Now every farking person calls themselves a nerd just cause they... like what everyone else likes!

If it takes me a couple of hours to know all you know about a topic, you are not a nerd.

But I have glasses and I'm wearing a "Talk Nerdy to Me" t-shirt!!!

nigeman		2012-12-12 08:06:14 PM

I agree with all of these

zedster		2012-12-12 08:06:36 PM

"Nerds are the new jocks"

www.buzzhunt.co.uk

Korzine		2012-12-12 08:07:13 PM

Dr. Dre Beats are not $300 headphones, they are a $300 fashion accessory (it's kind of like Bose for young people).

$300 (and higher) head phones would be things like Sennheiser (my preferred brand), Grado (my brothers preferred brand), Audio Techica, Shure, ect. I've never seen such headphones on people in public.

mjbok		2012-12-12 08:08:32 PM

Missing from list: Thinking/begging/praying that Firefly will come back.

zedster		2012-12-12 08:10:24 PM

Korzine: Dr. Dre Beats are not $300 headphones, they are a $300 fashion accessory (it's kind of like Bose for young people).

$300 (and higher) head phones would be things like Sennheiser (my preferred brand), Grado (my brothers preferred brand), Audio Techica, Shure, ect. I've never seen such headphones on people in public.

Ya, You are buying image and not quality, they are good headphones but not good bang for your buck.

Also Bose = Buy Other Sound Equipment

/likes Sennheiser and few pairs of Monoprice earbuds, if I lose them no biggie

codergirl42		2012-12-12 08:10:45 PM

jigger: HeartBurnKid: The word "swag" should only refer to free things you get from conventions and trade shows.

Huh? This is the way I learned the word.

[i31.tinypic.com image 640x480]

That's schwag.

codergirl42		2012-12-12 08:11:39 PM

#23. Holier-than-thou douchbags that tell me what I need to stop doing.

pxlboy		2012-12-12 08:14:55 PM

UrCa: I was always led to believe swag was "stuff we all get" in reference to the magnets, buttons, stickers and whatnot you got from the stands. When I went to Comiccon a few years back even the people at the badge station were inviting people over to "come get your swag!"

This.

codergirl42		2012-12-12 08:16:04 PM

mjbok: Missing from list: Thinking/begging/praying that Firefly will come back.

B-B-B-But the Brown Coats Unite special on the science chanel told me there is possibly-maybe still a chance something might happen to the franchise at some point in the future...

pxlboy		2012-12-12 08:17:17 PM

zedster: Korzine: Dr. Dre Beats are not $300 headphones, they are a $300 fashion accessory (it's kind of like Bose for young people).

$300 (and higher) head phones would be things like Sennheiser (my preferred brand), Grado (my brothers preferred brand), Audio Techica, Shure, ect. I've never seen such headphones on people in public.

Ya, You are buying image and not quality, they are good headphones but not good bang for your buck.

Also Bose = Buy Other Sound Equipment

/likes Sennheiser and few pairs of Monoprice earbuds, if I lose them no biggie

Thank you. I read the specs on those Beats phones and immediately realized that Beats are the new Jordans; and overpriced "luxury brand" for morons to buy. Yeah, if I'm dropping $300 on a set of phones, they're going to be good goddamned phones.

Also, wearing the full-sized cans in public makes you look like a moron.

assjuice		2012-12-12 08:18:01 PM

Reddit, redditors, and other douchebags who try to drag memes into real life. If I have to hear some moron at work say "weirdest bone" again I will claw their eyes out.

pxlboy		2012-12-12 08:18:38 PM

Skyrmion: Stratohead: LowbrowDeluxe: Stratohead: Tax Boy: #24 Zombies in everything

/2013 is going to be the year of the mummy

#25 "Steampunk" anything

You know what, both of you can go fark yourselves. Name 5 steampunk media released in the last year. I dare you. I DOUBLE farkING DARE you.
Back at you you lazy bastard

heres the deal, anything good can be ruined by over-exposure.

You basically proved his point since you apparently couldn't name a single one without looking it up. The idea that steampunk is somehow "overexposed" to anyone who hasn't gone well out of their way to look for it is ridiculous.

He probably means its over-representation within the geek community (like Doctor Who).

/doesn't really care one way or another

pxlboy		2012-12-12 08:19:54 PM

Bondith: Bill Frist: Pretending that being a nerd is a bad thing anymore: It's no longer self-deprecating to call yourself a "nerd"-"I'm reading 'Game of Thrones.' SO NERDY!"-so stop pretending that it is. Nerds started Apple and Facebook and everything else people obsess over nowadays, and comic book movies are consistent blockbusters at theaters. Nerds are the most powerful people in the world now. Nerds are the new jocks.

This is the worst one.

It isn't just pretending "nerd" is bad, but also the whole idea that you are a "nerd" for liking shiat that everyone else likes. You watched Star Wars, one of the most succesful film franchises ever? You watch a popular TV show like Game of Thrones? You read popular books like Hunger Games? You know the names of the superheros in the Avengers, one of the best box office movies in recent history? You play video games like half the country does?

None of that shiat makes you a nerd!!!

I was a nerd before nerds were cool.

/the irony in that statement is threatening to suck my keyboard into a black hole of hipster-nerd douchebaggery

I see kids wearing this 80s "retro" Nintendo stuff. Had I worn that when I was 11, I would have gotten my ass kicked at school (more than usual).

PDXBishop		2012-12-12 08:22:03 PM

Swag: a shortened version of "swagger", similar to "machismo" or a version of "braggadocios" that you can back up with facts; primarily used in modern rap songs.

How hard is that to figure out?! The only rapper I even listen to who uses "swag" is Childish Gambino, and I still figured it out.

/Just turned 31
//Suck it

mikefinch		2012-12-12 08:22:36 PM

Skyrmion: The idea that steampunk is somehow "overexposed" to anyone who hasn't gone well out of their way to look for it is ridiculous.

Idk... if you wander over to Boingboing you would swear they spend their spare time masturbating to images of the tin man. Just listening to a single fan of steampunk drone about their raging hard on for something someone has glued gears to is enough to overexpose me for years to come.

but then Boingboing is a terrible den of tools who think anything made within 10 miles of san fransico was sent from god himself. No matter how farking tacky and retarded it is.

zedster		2012-12-12 08:22:56 PM

pxlboy: Also, wearing the full-sized cans in public makes you look like a moron.

there is a time and a place, like airplanes and intercity buses, but ya most of the time wear open ear phones and realize they are open for a reason, so you can hear outside noises. I hate people who wear open headphones or ear buds and then blast their music. You will go deaf by 50 for that crap.

I did soundboard for my middle school drama program, the guy who ran the techies would take out my cd player and press play. If he could hear the music I got reprimanded. Thanks to him I'm 25 and still have great hearing. I'll often hear things in the high ranges that most people don't notice.

pxlboy		2012-12-12 08:29:29 PM

zedster: pxlboy: Also, wearing the full-sized cans in public makes you look like a moron.

there is a time and a place, like airplanes and intercity buses, but ya most of the time wear open ear phones and realize they are open for a reason, so you can hear outside noises. I hate people who wear open headphones or ear buds and then blast their music. You will go deaf by 50 for that crap.

I did soundboard for my middle school drama program, the guy who ran the techies would take out my cd player and press play. If he could hear the music I got reprimanded. Thanks to him I'm 25 and still have great hearing. I'll often hear things in the high ranges that most people don't notice.

Indeed. I'm 36 and can still hear at least up to 19kHz, maybe 20 and I want to keep it that way as long as possible. I have some phones I use for monitoring in my studio after hours, but it's never too loud.

WhippingBoy		2012-12-12 08:32:45 PM

pxlboy: I see kids wearing this 80s "retro" Nintendo stuff. Had I worn that when I was 11, I would have gotten my ass kicked at school (more than usual).

I've got a scar on my forehead from when one of the "cool" kids pushed me into the water fountain at school because I was wearing an "Atari" t-shirt (this was around 1983 or so)

SockMonkeyHolocaust		2012-12-12 08:34:08 PM

Can I add "If you're going to try to be a curmudgeon about things at least try to be clever." That was the equivalent of the hit star of the 90s comedy SEINFELD Seinfeld's "HEY WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH..." schtick done by Dennis Leary.

The idea that steampunk is somehow "overexposed" to anyone who hasn't gone well out of their way to look for it is ridiculous.

I'd disagree. It's an extremely shoddy one-note concept that wears really, really quickly. Kickstarter is diseased with projects for gluing cardboard gears onto things.

WhippingBoy		2012-12-12 08:37:59 PM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Can I add "If you're going to try to be a curmudgeon about things at least try to be clever." That was the equivalent of the hit star of the 90s comedy SEINFELD Seinfeld's "HEY WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH..." schtick done by Dennis Leary.

The idea that steampunk is somehow "overexposed" to anyone who hasn't gone well out of their way to look for it is ridiculous.

I'd disagree. It's an extremely shoddy one-note concept that wears really, really quickly. Kickstarter is diseased with projects for gluing cardboard gears onto things.

I have to agree. I like the aesthetics and concept of steam punk, but I can't take it seriously due to it's over exposure. I have more respect for bronies or furries than I do for people wearing "steampunk" fashions.

Steampunk is a condiment, not a main course.

pxlboy		2012-12-12 08:40:52 PM

WhippingBoy: pxlboy: I see kids wearing this 80s "retro" Nintendo stuff. Had I worn that when I was 11, I would have gotten my ass kicked at school (more than usual).

I've got a scar on my forehead from when one of the "cool" kids pushed me into the water fountain at school because I was wearing an "Atari" t-shirt (this was around 1983 or so)

And the kids think that a pair of thick-rimmed glasses make them nerds? When I was a kid, I would never have imagined that 'nerd' would become cool.

Dingleberry Dickwad		2012-12-12 08:43:00 PM

WhippingBoy: StoPPeRmobile: Bill Frist: Nerds were never really cool, but at least it used to mean that you liked a certain class of things that other people didn't like (just like being a punk or goth did with other things).

Now every farking person calls themselves a nerd just cause they... like what everyone else likes!

If it takes me a couple of hours to know all you know about a topic, you are not a nerd.

But I have glasses and I'm wearing a "Talk Nerdy to Me" t-shirt!!!

Well no glasses, but you leave my Talk Nerdy to Me shirt alone!

Author of TFA would hate me on the t-shirt one. I was always the one wearing the goofball t-shirts you could get from Spencer's back in the day.

pxlboy		2012-12-12 08:43:29 PM

WhippingBoy: pxlboy: I see kids wearing this 80s "retro" Nintendo stuff. Had I worn that when I was 11, I would have gotten my ass kicked at school (more than usual).

I've got a scar on my forehead from when one of the "cool" kids pushed me into the water fountain at school because I was wearing an "Atari" t-shirt (this was around 1983 or so)

The upside is that all of my nerdy childhood (and adult) hobbies are more accepted now than they were back then.

akula		2012-12-12 08:44:44 PM

pxlboy: zedster: Korzine: Dr. Dre Beats are not $300 headphones, they are a $300 fashion accessory (it's kind of like Bose for young people).

$300 (and higher) head phones would be things like Sennheiser (my preferred brand), Grado (my brothers preferred brand), Audio Techica, Shure, ect. I've never seen such headphones on people in public.

Ya, You are buying image and not quality, they are good headphones but not good bang for your buck.

Also Bose = Buy Other Sound Equipment

/likes Sennheiser and few pairs of Monoprice earbuds, if I lose them no biggie

Thank you. I read the specs on those Beats phones and immediately realized that Beats are the new Jordans; and overpriced "luxury brand" for morons to buy. Yeah, if I'm dropping $300 on a set of phones, they're going to be good goddamned phones.

Also, wearing the full-sized cans in public makes you look like a moron.

High fives all around.

I have a set of Sennheiser HD580s (the Grados are nice, but not shaped for human ears), and they cost me $200 several years back... they're still awesome cans. But they aren't for use in public- comfy, but way too big.

For out and about use, I have a set of cheap Koss that sound great, wear easily, don't cost an arm and a leg, and don't scream "mug me because I have so much money I spend it on shiat audio equipment."

Mr. Holmes		2012-12-12 08:45:09 PM

Waitaminute... a lot of those sound like hipsterish activities. Then again, hipsters also like biatching about nonsense, so the hell do I know?

Dingleberry Dickwad		2012-12-12 08:46:17 PM

pxlboy: WhippingBoy: pxlboy: I see kids wearing this 80s "retro" Nintendo stuff. Had I worn that when I was 11, I would have gotten my ass kicked at school (more than usual).

I've got a scar on my forehead from when one of the "cool" kids pushed me into the water fountain at school because I was wearing an "Atari" t-shirt (this was around 1983 or so)

The upside is that all of my nerdy childhood (and adult) hobbies are more accepted now than they were back then.

Maybe it's because of where I live, but reading sci-fi and fantasy novels still gets me funny looks from co workers, and even one of the cashiers at the local bookstore.

Arachnophobe		2012-12-12 08:50:01 PM

WhippingBoy: SockMonkeyHolocaust: Can I add "If you're going to try to be a curmudgeon about things at least try to be clever." That was the equivalent of the hit star of the 90s comedy SEINFELD Seinfeld's "HEY WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH..." schtick done by Dennis Leary.

The idea that steampunk is somehow "overexposed" to anyone who hasn't gone well out of their way to look for it is ridiculous.

I'd disagree. It's an extremely shoddy one-note concept that wears really, really quickly. Kickstarter is diseased with projects for gluing cardboard gears onto things.

I have to agree. I like the aesthetics and concept of steam punk, but I can't take it seriously due to it's over exposure. I have more respect for bronies or furries than I do for people wearing "steampunk" fashions.

Steampunk is a condiment, not a main course.

It's very difficult to get right, and I think I'm being generous in saying that about 15% of Steampunk projects you see get it right. It's a different story in the book world, though. There's some pretty darn good Steampunk themed series floating around right now. The Clockwork Empire books, by Steven Harper (which includes a pretty good use of zombies as well), the Ministry of Peculiar Occurrences by Pip Ballantine and Tee Morris, Cherie Priest's series of zombie-steampunk I've hear good things about but haven't gotten to check out. I really think it works better as a literary theme than in person.