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(LA Times)   Most popular Wolf in Yellowstone killed by hunter. Where is your Red Riding Hood now?   (latimes.com) divider line 40
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2012-12-12 03:07:52 PM  
4 votes:

Smeggy Smurf: powtard: I still don't understand this hatred for wolves. Seriously, can someone please explain this to me?

You must live in the big city. Wolves decimate livestock populations as well as deer, elk and other wildlife. They also kill pets and will attack people if you are acting like prey. Most people are prey.


Whatever. They do not decimate anything. There are only a few of them.

This argument makes me so angry. The people who move to the mountains and then are SHOCKED that there are mountain lions and bears piss me off beyond reason. You're an idiot If you move to the freaking mountains and then are surprised that a mountain lion eats your poodle or a bear gets into your hot tub. If you put a bunch of prey in a place where there are wolves, you shouldn't be surprised when a few get taken. I live where there are coyotes. None of my animals have been eaten by them because I take precautions and I'm not a farking idiot.
2012-12-12 02:54:50 PM  
4 votes:
I still don't understand hunting, even when hunters aren't shooting popular animals. A bunch of fat, illiterate drunks stumble out into the woods at dawn, sit around in a wooden chair in the cold until mid-afternoon (or they get too drunk and fall out) and take potshots at wandering, defenseless wildlife in the meantime.

This is somehow "hunting".

When you manage to kill something by tracking it and fighting it to the death with your bare hands, I'll stop calling you fat, illiterate drunks and start calling you hunters. Not a moment sooner.

/ I'm just pissy because some fat, illiterate drunk was hunting in off-limits property behind my house a few years ago and put a bullet in my deck
// welcome to north-central PA.... I guess I should at least be glad he got out of his truck before he took the shot
2012-12-12 03:00:24 PM  
3 votes:

powtard: I still don't understand this hatred for wolves. Seriously, can someone please explain this to me?


See: Wolf's Rain. People are terrified of them. That's why they keep them as pets....

This is actually really, really bad. Species come and go, but wolves are a keystone species. The collapse of the wolf population would be tantamount to the collapse of the shark population around Australia. Imagine the island being surrounded by a sea of box jellyfish, which subsequently kill most of the fish. Wolves are some of the most efficient pack hunters in the world; they're dangerous where they haven't been and they're critically important where they've been for a long time. Removing them is a huge ecological shift.

And yet we let hunters take them because they conflict with human interests.. what? Put a fence around your farking livestock.
2012-12-12 03:04:47 PM  
2 votes:

Smeggy Smurf: You must live in the big city. Wolves decimate livestock populations as well as deer, elk and other wildlife. They also kill pets and will attack people if you are acting like prey. Most people are prey.


That is a pile of bullshiat. There are more dog attacks than wolf attacks. Wolf attacks are exceedingly rare, in fact, as most wolves stay well away from humans.

Wolves don't decimate deer or elk herds either. They, in fact, cull the sick and weak from the herd. They also prevent the herds from overgrazing which in turn protects the environment for other wild life.

Wolf kills also feed many other animals.

To say that people are wolf prey is just astoundingly ignorant.
2012-12-12 03:00:05 PM  
2 votes:

mochunk: The article headline says "in Yellowstone". Which is false. As per the NPR story yesterday, the pack had wandered out of Yellowstone and into a legal hunting area.

At least the article could get that fact straight.

/hunting is stupid


Hunting isn't stupid... if we didn't have deer hunters to thin the pack, the deer would get all kinds of sick... I was in MD when they banned it for a little while... I've never seen anything as sad as the consequences of that experiment... wasting diseases and starvation... it's pretty messed up what happens to their populations. As for elk hunting (which I did this year)... for the price of one elk tag, I can get enough meat to put in the deep freezer for several months, and the guy down in Fraser who dresses/carves them up gives 10-20 lbs of meat to a program that donates the (frozen) meat to poor families here in the mountains that need food. You say hunting is stupid, I say growing cows in torture-like conditions for years on end just so you can slaughter them en masse without needing to try as hard as hunters is stupid. Easy meat and easy bread make easy fat and easy dead.
2012-12-12 02:57:47 PM  
2 votes:

Smeggy Smurf: Yeah, some of the pack survived. Better luck next year hunters


This is what people who don't know a damned thing about hunting and wildlife management actually believe.
2012-12-12 02:54:52 PM  
2 votes:

jvl: And by saying "in Yellowstone" multiple times they presumably mean "outside of Yellowstone". You can't hunt in a National Park without federal charges.


Yup, you can hunt in national forests, but not national parks. The problem here in CO is that animals don't have/understand maps, so the process of protecting them doesn't go very well when they're safe on one side of the imaginary line, but fair game on the other side. I'm ok with self-defense, or even if they shot wolves that came onto their own land (threatening to their cattle, sheep, or whatever)... but it bothers very much that there's only 1700 of them, and that seems to be enough that we think it's sustainable practice to hunt them still.

I mean, I don't even support moose hunting right now (I'm ok with deer hunting and other game) because the populations are so low... and I farking hate moose, they're the biggest jerks of the animal kingdom.
2012-12-12 02:53:47 PM  
2 votes:
Who the fark shoots a wolf?!? Why not go twist a bald eagle's head off while you're at it?
2012-12-12 02:51:58 PM  
2 votes:
I still don't understand this hatred for wolves. Seriously, can someone please explain this to me?
2012-12-12 02:51:06 PM  
2 votes:
The article headline says "in Yellowstone". Which is false. As per the NPR story yesterday, the pack had wandered out of Yellowstone and into a legal hunting area.

At least the article could get that fact straight.

/hunting is stupid
2012-12-12 02:42:59 PM  
2 votes:
This is really disappointing.
2012-12-12 04:54:33 PM  
1 votes:

Smeggy Smurf: powtard: I still don't understand this hatred for wolves. Seriously, can someone please explain this to me?

You must live in the big city. Wolves decimate livestock populations as well as deer, elk and other wildlife. They also kill pets and will attack people if you are acting like prey. Most people are prey.



I don't live in the big city. I live in the Rockies, about 3 miles from the gates Rocky Mountain National Park. I also spend a lot of time around the Tetons, and Yellowstone.

1.) FACT: Wolf impact on livestock is LESS than other sources. Other Ranch/Farm predators like Bears, Coyotes, Mountain Lions, Bob Cat, Fox, Opossum, and Raccoons will do lots of damage to Chickens, Goats, etc..
2.) FACT: The Wolf population keeps herd of Deer and Elk HEALTHY. Go to Yellowstone, and look at the Elk there. The Elk are strong, healthy, with impressive coats. You don't see stragglers. Then, come here.. to Estes Park right outside of Rocky Mountain National Park. The Elk herds are huge with the only real predators being Mountain Lions, Coyotes, and the yearly culling of the heard at night by Sharp Shooting Men in Black. The Elk look ragged. Lots of stragglers.. limpers.. large tumors.
3.) Coyotes, Mountain Lions, Bob Cats, and Fox and numerous Birds of Prey also attack pets, and in some cases people.
2012-12-12 04:30:05 PM  
1 votes:
Wow good job. You killed something that couldn't defend itself. Congrats.
2012-12-12 04:20:12 PM  
1 votes:

HeadLever: superdude72: Compared to how many millions of cattle? Surely some way can be found to compensate ranchers for their losses without completely destroying the natural ecosystem.

They have. however, it is only good if you can prove that it was a wolf kill via a necropsy. also, the hunting season seems to keep most of the wolves away from the ranches during the fall/winter/spring. Seems to be working out pretty well.

As for "decimating" deer, elk, and other wildlife. Well, yeah. That's what wolves are supposed to do.

No, wolves were never supposed to decimate these populations. Controlled predation is fine, but when the depredation ends up drastically reducing big game herds, this hits the State Wildlife Agencies (and most conservation programs) right in the pocketbook. Best to keep a small population of wolves and a larger prey base where you can continue to issue hunting tags and keep that revenue flowing to state wildlife managemnt agencies.


Of course, if we'd stop carving up the land into small chunks of land where wildlife is forced to be crowded into, maybe we wouldn't have to slaughter the predators. The whole predator-prey relationship worked for billions of years, and still works today where nature has room and is left alone.
2012-12-12 04:08:08 PM  
1 votes:
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R.I.P.
2012-12-12 04:04:08 PM  
1 votes:

browntimmy: You get zero manliness points for hunting when the only danger is you being an idiot with your weapon.


Being sucessfull is all we need for us to be happy with the results. Arbitrary points given by anonomyous posters on a social website is not why folks hunt. You can take your manliness points and keep them in your mom's basement for all we care.
2012-12-12 03:53:32 PM  
1 votes:

please: I'm just giving you a hard time. I know some jerks have a hardon for wolves. But it isn't accurate or even cool to paint all hunters with a broad brush.


I'm not trying to do that. I have no problem with hunting. I believe it's a few bad apples that are spoiling the bunch. Someone related a story on Fark about someone they knew stumbling across a wolf den and killing every last one of them. Those are the types of people who are scum.
2012-12-12 03:53:05 PM  
1 votes:

Vegan Meat Popsicle: I still don't understand hunting, even when hunters aren't shooting popular animals. A bunch of fat, illiterate drunks stumble out into the woods at dawn, sit around in a wooden chair in the cold until mid-afternoon (or they get too drunk and fall out) and take potshots at wandering, defenseless wildlife in the meantime.

This is somehow "hunting".

When you manage to kill something by tracking it and fighting it to the death with your bare hands, I'll stop calling you fat, illiterate drunks and start calling you hunters. Not a moment sooner.


That's my take too. You get zero manliness points for hunting when the only danger is you being an idiot with your weapon. i don't get a thrill when I step on spiders.
2012-12-12 03:44:06 PM  
1 votes:

please: sp86: please: sp86: please:
I was about to defend the way I hunt, which is traditional, but you know what, fark that - if you don't hunt, have no idea what it is about and why it is important, and spout the ignorant nonsense like I see in these types of threads there is no convincing you, and I shouldn't have to and don't need to anyway.

Atlatl?

I'm looking into that actually.

I couldn't get into that. I need the meat, I don't need an animal to suffer; it's the same reason I don't use a bow or take shiatty shots with my .30-06.

I never said I would try it without being proficient.


My old man is one of the best shots with a bow I've ever seen, and I still end up tracking deer for him. No matter your proficiency there's a margin for error associated with less efficient harvest methods that I find unacceptable.
2012-12-12 03:33:15 PM  
1 votes:

Gunny Highway: We will have to wait for more facts to come out to see if the killing of the wolf was for a legitimate reason.


More than likely, not. There are some hunters that specifically hunt collared wolves out of sheer spite.
2012-12-12 03:32:52 PM  
1 votes:

Maggie_Luna: I never understand the whole "we need to hunt them to control their population' argument.


What confuses me are my fellow hunters (in PA) who believe you should never, ever shoot doe because "they make the bucks" (not to mention the Game Commision's introduction of the "3 points on a side" rule for bucks) yet they still tell the public they hunt for "population control." Bullshiat, you're in it for the trophy.

/can't eat the antlers
2012-12-12 03:30:59 PM  
1 votes:

please: You forgot "when it is needed".

We've completely altered the environment these animals live in: we've eliminated predators, shrunk their habitats and put roads through what is left, and provided millions of acres of agriculture on which their populations can explode unchecked. Hunting is necessary and you're lucky there are still people left who are willing to do it (though that number shrinks rapidly every year).


And those predators were wolves.

Only the most ignorant Farker would suggest we outlaw hunting, but like police officers, people stereotype hunters. The image of people hunting for sustenance is replaced by the typical image of people ruthlessly killing everything in sight, a lot like that South Park episode.
2012-12-12 03:27:06 PM  
1 votes:

HeadLever: grasse: Reintroduced after an aggressor took them all out... Oh wait that aggressor was humans

Yep, the old time ranchers knew how devistating they could be on livestock.


So they chose extincting a species over building better fences... Smart people! The wolves totally deserved it!
kab
2012-12-12 03:25:57 PM  
1 votes:

Braindeath: Trophies and showing off are not acceptable reasons for hunting. This shiat is stupid and they killed an alpha female. I hope they get caught and fined a lot of money shot in the face.


Me too.
2012-12-12 03:17:32 PM  
1 votes:

Gunny Highway: This is really disappointing.


you know it, man...huge story here in Montana. the two opposing sides are once again at each other's throats...i side with the wolves.
2012-12-12 03:15:18 PM  
1 votes:
I am reasonably calm about hunting despite the fact that hunters were always trespassing on my family's land and bullet holes ended up in my great uncle's porch but I still feel there are only certain reasons killing animals is okay:

1) Your life is in danger
2) Your property is in danger [like if a wolf was killing your animals]
3) You are going to eat it
4) Someone else is going to eat it

Trophies and showing off are not acceptable reasons for hunting. This shiat is stupid and they killed an alpha female. I hope they get caught and fined a lot of money.
2012-12-12 03:13:12 PM  
1 votes:

HeadLever: grasse: Smeggy Smurf: powtard: I still don't understand this hatred for wolves. Seriously, can someone please explain this to me?

You must live in the big city. Wolves decimate livestock populations as well as deer, elk and other wildlife. They also kill pets and will attack people if you are acting like prey. Most people are prey.

Well you did choose to live in a wolf populated area, it's not like they were put there after you moved.

You Trolling? Wolves were reintroduced to Wyoming, Idaho and Montana in 1995.

/been here longer than that


Reintroduced after an aggressor took them all out... Oh wait that aggressor was humans
2012-12-12 03:13:11 PM  
1 votes:

Wayne 985: firefly212: mochunk: The article headline says "in Yellowstone". Which is false. As per the NPR story yesterday, the pack had wandered out of Yellowstone and into a legal hunting area.

At least the article could get that fact straight.

/hunting is stupid

Hunting isn't stupid... if we didn't have deer hunters to thin the pack, the deer would get all kinds of sick... I was in MD when they banned it for a little while... I've never seen anything as sad as the consequences of that experiment... wasting diseases and starvation... it's pretty messed up what happens to their populations. As for elk hunting (which I did this year)... for the price of one elk tag, I can get enough meat to put in the deep freezer for several months, and the guy down in Fraser who dresses/carves them up gives 10-20 lbs of meat to a program that donates the (frozen) meat to poor families here in the mountains that need food. You say hunting is stupid, I say growing cows in torture-like conditions for years on end just so you can slaughter them en masse without needing to try as hard as hunters is stupid. Easy meat and easy bread make easy fat and easy dead.

In fairness, the reason we need hunters to thin deer herds is because hunters and urbanization wiped out most of their natural predators.

I'm all in favor of responsible hunting, but there's a long history of the irresponsible kind that is still going on.


I agree wholeheartedly about the need for hunting to be responsible... right now near where I live the cops are looking for a guy who killed a cow moose and three of her babies... that dude is gonna go to jail for a good long time, and very much deservedly so. Over-hunting animals totally jacks up the local systems, seeds and forestry things don't get spread by their poop, other animals don't have prey, underbrush doesn't get eaten by the lower herbivores... it just messes the whole balance of things up. Aside from that, I don't at all agree with the (common) practice of drinking while hunting... if there is anything that doesn't mix with gun safety, it's booze.
2012-12-12 03:08:00 PM  
1 votes:

firefly212: Hunting isn't stupid... if we didn't have deer hunters to thin the pack, the deer would get all kinds of sick...


Which is what wolves have been doing since the dawn of time.
2012-12-12 03:06:08 PM  
1 votes:

Smeggy Smurf: powtard: I still don't understand this hatred for wolves. Seriously, can someone please explain this to me?

You must live in the big city. Wolves decimate livestock populations as well as deer, elk and other wildlife. They also kill pets and will attack people if you are acting like prey. Most people are prey.


Nope, not from the city, just not wolf country. Funny how you assumed that... FYI, grew up as a hunter, in strong hunting country in upstate NY and have no problem with hunting meat. Killing animals for the sake of killing though was never considered "hunting" though where I'm from.

Anyways, from the stats I've seen, wolves don't take out livestock anywhere near the rate that weather and disease does. Also, I don't recall hearing about any wolf attacks on humans at all, but can tell you about a dozen stories of bear attacks, yet we're not killing them in to extinction (pardon my refusal to use the word "hunt"). As for pets, well, keep your pets under control, and don't let them wander and they won't look like prey.

So, again, why the hate?
2012-12-12 03:04:49 PM  
1 votes:

Smeggy Smurf: powtard: I still don't understand this hatred for wolves. Seriously, can someone please explain this to me?

You must live in the big city. Wolves decimate livestock populations as well as deer, elk and other wildlife. They also kill pets and will attack people if you are acting like prey. Most people are prey.


Isn't that what humans do?
2012-12-12 03:02:07 PM  
1 votes:

Jamik137: We can kill millions of those because they're not in any danger whatsoever of going extinct, but wolves not so much considering there are only ~1700 left. That and I bet wild wolf meat doesn't taste as good as bovine.


State DNRs are usually pretty even-handed, and are staffed with people who know far more about conservation than we here in a fark thread. ...and a quick glance at the "Gray wolf" Wikipedia page seems to confirm their judgement: the species is listed as having a conservation status of "least concern" -- i.e., quite a way from endangered.
2012-12-12 03:00:44 PM  
1 votes:

Smeggy Smurf: powtard: I still don't understand this hatred for wolves. Seriously, can someone please explain this to me?

You must live in the big city. Wolves decimate livestock populations as well as deer, elk and other wildlife. They also kill pets and will attack people if you are acting like prey. Most people are prey.


Well you did choose to live in a wolf populated area, it's not like they were put there after you moved.
2012-12-12 02:59:43 PM  
1 votes:

Gunny Highway: jshine: So, we can kill these by the millions:
[www.saawinternational.org image 425x319]

...yet wolves are different somehow? Why? Whats the difference -- aside from how much wolves look like domestic pets.

You are lucky trolls are on the endangered species list.



The point about food is valid, if you consider hunting to be only a matter of obtaining food. ...but otherwise its a serious question: these various animals are all about at the same level of intelligence. Pigs (food) are probably at least as smart as wolves, yet one is killed in huge numbers daily and the other gets a fark thread for a single individual being shot. Is "cuteness" really so compelling that it determines which animals are kill-able and which are sacrosanct?
2012-12-12 02:59:10 PM  
1 votes:

jshine: So, we can kill these by the millions:
[www.saawinternational.org image 425x319]

...yet wolves are different somehow? Why? Whats the difference -- aside from how much wolves look like domestic pets.


We can kill millions of those because they're not in any danger whatsoever of going extinct, but wolves not so much considering there are only ~1700 left. That and I bet wild wolf meat doesn't taste as good as bovine.
2012-12-12 02:57:27 PM  
1 votes:

Gunny Highway: jshine: So, we can kill these by the millions:
[www.saawinternational.org image 425x319]

...yet wolves are different somehow? Why? Whats the difference -- aside from how much wolves look like domestic pets.

You are lucky trolls are on the endangered species list.


They still need to be managed.
2012-12-12 02:55:24 PM  
1 votes:

jshine: So, we can kill these by the millions:
[www.saawinternational.org image 425x319]

...yet wolves are different somehow? Why? Whats the difference -- aside from how much wolves look like domestic pets.


You are lucky trolls are on the endangered species list.
2012-12-12 02:49:34 PM  
1 votes:

Gunny Highway: This is really disappointing.

2012-12-12 02:48:22 PM  
1 votes:
On one hand, this sucks.

On the other hand, you get less legitimacy for poachers (screwed up, I know) if there is a legal avenue for them to hunt.

//Wanted to smack a hunter that said there is an unwritten law in Oregon that if you see a wolf, you shoot it and never saw a word. What an asshole.
2012-12-12 02:43:35 PM  
1 votes:
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