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2012-12-12 08:48:20 PM  

beta_plus: Obvious tag on strike?

American public school teachers suck. We pay more per student on k-12 public schools and our reward is the world's most stupid children. By any measure American public school teachers suck ass. When they aren't doing their job, they're sexually abusing the children of hispanics because they know that their parents fear having the INS called. Then after sexually abusing their children, they blame the parents!

/"We teachers need more money to do a job that when we fail miserably at it will then claim we can't do it because the parents suck - while we make their kids suck us off!"


Wow, that troll was trolled so hard I think you may have damaged the bridge.

/troll
 
2012-12-12 08:48:55 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: sigdiamond2000: This cannot possibly, seriously, be this guy's profile pic

[media.washtimes.com image 120x120]

I refuse to accept that.

This is begging for a "Penis goes where?" caption


I realize that no one reads the thread before posting anymore, but I usually manage to make it through the first three posts, at least.
 
2012-12-12 08:49:51 PM  

Mentat: BarkingUnicorn: Not because cops and firefighters have guns and axes but teachers do not?

It's the same divide and conquer strategy Walker tried in Wisconsin. Set the unions against each other, take out the public sector unions, take out the industrial unions, and then take out the police and firefighter unions last when there's no one left to support them.


As usual, libtards try to hide their bitter tears of impotent rage by being intentionally obtuse on why having an actual skill set and doing something inherently dangerous allows one to have a sustainable and useful union.


/oh, and conveniently ignoring the 1919 Boston Police Strike
 
2012-12-12 08:51:19 PM  

BMulligan: Peter von Nostrand: sigdiamond2000: This cannot possibly, seriously, be this guy's profile pic

[media.washtimes.com image 120x120]

I refuse to accept that.

This is begging for a "Penis goes where?" caption

I realize that no one reads the thread before posting anymore, but I usually manage to make it through the first three posts, at least.


Point taken. I saw the pic but I guess I missed the writing underneath
 
2012-12-12 08:52:13 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: bahamasorbust: Peter von Nostrand: edmo: So if they're essential you make it illegal for them to strike thus who needs a union?

If the FD is a local of the IAFF they can't strike. Firefighters aren't a true union (it's International Association of Fire Fighters) since we don't have the power to strike. I would imagine PD is the same but I can't say that for certain

What the hell are you talking about? The IAFF is a union, regardless of the local chapters not being able to strike. It's a damn powerful lobbying organization too, which has resulted in the US having a crappy EMS system.

I can only assume you're trolling


He's not trolling. The IAFF is responsible for a LOT of the problems with this nation's EMS system by lobbying for decreased education standards to make EMT and Paramedic accessable to everyone who wants to attend it, fighting against increased educational standards in the Fire Service, and promoting the idea that EMS is just a money-maker for Fire Departments who need to justify personel budgets.

IAFF at a national level has a stated agenda against private, hospital-based or third-service 911 systems which provide EMS, regardless of the fact the local unions protect firefighter safety.
 
2012-12-12 08:52:13 PM  

beta_plus: Obvious tag on strike?

American public school teachers suck. We pay more per student on k-12 public schools and our reward is the world's most stupid children. By any measure American public school teachers suck ass. When they aren't doing their job, they're sexually abusing the children of hispanics because they know that their parents fear having the INS called. Then after sexually abusing their children, they blame the parents!

/"We teachers need more money to do a job that when we fail miserably at it will then claim we can't do it because the parents suck - while we make their kids suck us off!"


Ladies and gentlemen...beta plus! Clearly, the way to get highly trained and motivated individuals to become teachers is to pay them next to nothing.

I'm sure there is a huge backlog of trained and educated teachers who are refusing to become teachers because $40k a year is just too much money. I mean sure, we already pay them less than they would get in virtually any other field given their education, but if we just lower it even more, I'm sure they'll come around.
 
2012-12-12 08:55:16 PM  

phritz: People at my last job biatched about $30 a month in union dues. We would always point out that, at a direct result of the last negotiating cycle, they were taking home about $200 a month more than they would have otherwise, plus their kids were finally covered in the health plan. They still biatched about the $30.

Moral: when the middle class finally dies, it will kind of deserve it.



Not surprising... These are the same d-bags who piss and moan about taxes. They're self-centered jackholes who can't see past the end of their noses.

If you -gave- these people a lottery ticket that you paid for, just for shiats and grins, with a handshake deal to kick you back 10% if they won... you can bet your sweet ass that if that ticket hit the jackpot, they'd be formulating a rationale for reneging before the last number was announced.
 
2012-12-12 08:55:20 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: BMulligan: Peter von Nostrand: sigdiamond2000: This cannot possibly, seriously, be this guy's profile pic

[media.washtimes.com image 120x120]

I refuse to accept that.

This is begging for a "Penis goes where?" caption

I realize that no one reads the thread before posting anymore, but I usually manage to make it through the first three posts, at least.

Point taken. I saw the pic but I guess I missed the writing underneath


Aw, heck, I'm just bustin' your chops.
 
2012-12-12 08:59:04 PM  
If every public schoolteacher quit tomorrow, private schools, charter schools, and home-schooling would pick up the slack. Public schoolteachers mistake their own egos for societal significance.

What the fark am I reading?
 
2012-12-12 09:02:48 PM  
They are vital. Their forced union membership is not.
 
2012-12-12 09:03:19 PM  

sigdiamond2000: This cannot possibly, seriously, be this guy's profile pic

[media.washtimes.com image 120x120]

I refuse to accept that.


it looks like an Onion people on the street picture
 
2012-12-12 09:07:09 PM  

Ant: So much for collective bargaining if people can just opt out of the union and undercut the union workers.


You're presenting this as if it were a simple binary distinction - either we can have collective bargaining, or we can have right to work, but not both. This is clearly false, since unions continue to exist in right to work states.

They lose some power, sure. Not all of it.

Is there some reason why they should have any more of a "right" to absolute collective bargaining power than any other people should have a "right" to get a job without being in their club? I'm not seeing one. It's just another group of assholes trying to control people.
 
2012-12-12 09:09:02 PM  

d23: Cinaed: Police and Firefighters? Good for today.
Teachers? Good for tomorrow.

The GOP doesn't care about future concequences. They care about the extra $2 in their pocket right now, even if mean it will cost them $200 later.


And that showcases the limitation of the Conservative mindset and fiscal responsibility.
 
2012-12-12 09:10:29 PM  

Lawnchair: FTFA If every public schoolteacher quit tomorrow, private schools, charter schools, and home-schooling would pick up the slack.

Well, except for the couple to few million special-needs kids born to parents who can't afford either high-priced schools or staying home, that private/charter schools don't want to touch with a 50-foot-pole. But, y'know, fark them. That's what Jesus would say.


"Special needs" need to be rethought along the German system lines. At some point you're throwing good money after bad, so get them to a level of self-sufficiency, put them in a trade or vocational school, and stop wasting money pretending that if we spend another $400,000 on one kid he might be the one who makes it to college and flunks out after the first semester. Some parents are using the public school system as the world's most expensive babysitter.
 
2012-12-12 09:13:18 PM  

Balchinian: What to non-union members get in return for those payments? Nada.


Wrong. Unions drive up ALL employee wages, even for employees who aren't unionized, and for employees who don't work at that company. Basically, without union power, non-union jobs wouldn't have good wages and benefits.
 
2012-12-12 09:14:22 PM  
BronyMedic:

I'm indifferent to EMS, there's evidence that fire based EMS is better. There's evidence that private or 3rd party systems are better. I have no interest in ever being on an ambulance and will never have to. My comment was directly related to the insistence that IAFF Locals can strike. A no strike provision was put in the IAFF Constitution and there has only been one strike in the history of the IAFF. I believe it was in Boston in the late 20's
 
2012-12-12 09:16:02 PM  

Absolut Height Advantage: It's the same reason the state police union was the only union exempt in Wisconsin's dismantling of collective bargaining: IN CASE OF PUBLIC UPRISING, THE RICH ARE STILL PROTECTED BY THE POLICE THEY ESSENTIALLY PURCHASED, and I guess in this case they also wanted the fires set to their homes by the lynch mobs put out


This.

The Republicans are making sure that they have a hand in creating the new Middle Class, which will consist of public services for them but not for anybody else. And that Middle Class will be full of police that, out of fear of losing what they have, will be perfect servants for the Rich and be given enough rights to bully the poor or whomever they want without repercussion. And the Republican half of this nation will lap it up because surely nothing will happen to them...right up until it does, which then they'll just keep voting Republican because their fear outweighs their ability to do anything.

And considering the Republican base holds nothing dear (as shown by throwing their Christianity away to vote for a Mormon), they will gladly give up their guns once their representatives/masters tell them to do so.

You know, the most hilarious thing about Republicans is how easily they give up the very rights that they claim are being threatened upon some authority figure's say so. What do they really fight for, anyway? They don't. They run on fear and their inability to live the life they want. Bitterness and rage, the true two things a Republican really gives a damn about.
 
2012-12-12 09:18:23 PM  

BMulligan: Aw, heck, I'm just bustin' your chops.


Who's up for crab legs?

www.theurbanlist.com

/actually now that i think about it, mary have said that
 
2012-12-12 09:20:14 PM  

Lsherm: "Special needs" need to be rethought along the German system lines

.

It's hard to call that "German system" when that's what most countries do. We're the exception, not them. Outside the US and to a lesser degree Canada, there's nowhere else in the world where, past the age of 10 or 11, 70-something-IQ lifetime floor-sweepers are in the same school, let alone the same classroom (in many courses), as kids who end up getting 35s or 36s on their ACT exams.

That said, we have some societal obligation to the appropriate education of those kids too, and it's not something privatization is going to cover (it's never going to be profitable).
 
2012-12-12 09:20:55 PM  

Mentat: BarkingUnicorn: Not because cops and firefighters have guns and axes but teachers do not?

It's the same divide and conquer strategy Walker tried in Wisconsin. Set the unions against each other, take out the public sector unions, take out the industrial unions, and then take out the police and firefighter unions last when there's no one left to support them.


Tried? He essentially succeeded since the Democrats here were up shiat creek minus paddle.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-12-12 09:30:16 PM  

Lawnchair: Lsherm: "Special needs" need to be rethought along the German system lines.

It's hard to call that "German system" when that's what most countries do. We're the exception, not them. Outside the US and to a lesser degree Canada, there's nowhere else in the world where, past the age of 10 or 11, 70-something-IQ lifetime floor-sweepers are in the same school, let alone the same classroom (in many courses), as kids who end up getting 35s or 36s on their ACT exams.

That said, we have some societal obligation to the appropriate education of those kids too, and it's not something privatization is going to cover (it's never going to be profitable).


The Germans and most other countries also don't make the misake of making college-level education job training either. That's a different track just as it should be. College is for people that want to actually learn.
 
2012-12-12 09:32:49 PM  

LargeCanine: Whatever happened to liberty and personal freedom?


Don't work for a union shop. Nobody is forcing you to.
 
2012-12-12 09:41:37 PM  

Lawnchair: Lsherm: "Special needs" need to be rethought along the German system lines.

It's hard to call that "German system" when that's what most countries do. We're the exception, not them. Outside the US and to a lesser degree Canada, there's nowhere else in the world where, past the age of 10 or 11, 70-something-IQ lifetime floor-sweepers are in the same school, let alone the same classroom (in many courses), as kids who end up getting 35s or 36s on their ACT exams.

That said, we have some societal obligation to the appropriate education of those kids too, and it's not something privatization is going to cover (it's never going to be profitable).


Dude, I didn't name it. I was actually going to use "European system" but when I went to look up details I learned it was all modeled after the "German system."

/Damn Germans.
 
2012-12-12 09:43:39 PM  

Guntram Shatterhand: And considering the Republican base holds nothing dear (as shown by throwing their Christianity away to vote for a Mormon),


img827.imageshack.us

+1 for an insanely bigoted statement that will probably be ignored.
 
2012-12-12 09:49:30 PM  
My parents were forced to join their union. Money was taken from their paychecks to fund political causes they vehemently detested. Imagine how liberals would react if dues were used to fund AFP or other conservative causes. They would call this stealing, which it is....The legislation exempts firefighters and police officers but not schoolteachers. This is because firefighters and police officers are vital to society.

Mr. Goloub, please explain to the class what 'contradiction' means. You have already provided a fine example.
 
2012-12-12 09:50:01 PM  
Education in the youth is an investment in the future tax base.

It's human capitalism.
 
2012-12-12 10:10:30 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: BronyMedic:

I'm indifferent to EMS, there's evidence that fire based EMS is better. There's evidence that private or 3rd party systems are better. I have no interest in ever being on an ambulance and will never have to. My comment was directly related to the insistence that IAFF Locals can strike. A no strike provision was put in the IAFF Constitution and there has only been one strike in the history of the IAFF. I believe it was in Boston in the late 20's


Do you have a citation on that?

The only "evidence" that Fire based EMS was better was a single study showing cardiac arrest survival rated increased when they put an EMT on the pumper.

Or are you talking about that IAFF position statement which stated anyone not a firefighter was too oncompetent to do 911 care, that was promptly memory holes because it caused international outrage?
 
2012-12-12 10:12:40 PM  
This is because firefighters and police officers are vital to society. Teachers are not"

Whoever said this needs to resign.
 
2012-12-12 10:15:05 PM  

Diogenes: [media.washtimes.com image 120x120]


Is it just me, or does this guy look like Torg's hipster brother?
 
2012-12-12 10:15:22 PM  

Fart_Machine: LargeCanine: Whatever happened to liberty and personal freedom?

Don't work for a union shop. Nobody is forcing you to.


But non-union shops tend to have shiattier wages, benefits and such. People like him just want the benefits a union brings without the responsibility.
 
2012-12-12 10:19:25 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: BronyMedic:

I'm indifferent to EMS, there's evidence that fire based EMS is better. There's evidence that private or 3rd party systems are better. I have no interest in ever being on an ambulance and will never have to. My comment was directly related to the insistence that IAFF Locals can strike. A no strike provision was put in the IAFF Constitution and there has only been one strike in the history of the IAFF. I believe it was in Boston in the late 20's


Rates.
Incompetent.

Stupid IPhone.

Another thing is the IAFFs treatment of Volunteer Firefighters, their lobbying to keep Paramedic education a technical cert and not a 2/4 year degree, and their bias against increased fire education standards.

Kansas City is a great example. IAFF backed fire side took over the city's third service EMS which had worked fine for decades, laid off everyone not fire, and have continually managed to fail to even meet previous response times. And then you have Detroit.

You say you're not interested in the EMS side, so do most firefighters I know. But the IAFF is on a mission to put us third service people out of a job.
 
2012-12-12 10:23:33 PM  

BronyMedic: Peter von Nostrand: BronyMedic:

I'm indifferent to EMS, there's evidence that fire based EMS is better. There's evidence that private or 3rd party systems are better. I have no interest in ever being on an ambulance and will never have to. My comment was directly related to the insistence that IAFF Locals can strike. A no strike provision was put in the IAFF Constitution and there has only been one strike in the history of the IAFF. I believe it was in Boston in the late 20's

Do you have a citation on that?

The only "evidence" that Fire based EMS was better was a single study showing cardiac arrest survival rated increased when they put an EMT on the pumper.

Or are you talking about that IAFF position statement which stated anyone not a firefighter was too oncompetent to do 911 care, that was promptly memory holes because it caused international outrage?


Nope and not going to look one up. Like I said, I'm indifferent. I won't ever be on an ambulance and there is zero desire to take it over where I work. The system here is a public utility model for EMS and while the ambulance authority occasionally has staffing issues, it works okay. Do I think that fire based EMS would be better, yes. Do I have any evidence to support that other than my opinion, nope
 
2012-12-12 10:27:38 PM  
Wow, so just like the Wisconsin shiat! Aww, poor police and fire unions will get grumpy if they can't have special treatment. Unions for some... Way to prove that this is all just complete and utter bullshiat guys. FFS, this guy is a tool!
 
2012-12-12 10:31:50 PM  

BronyMedic: Peter von Nostrand: BronyMedic:

I'm indifferent to EMS, there's evidence that fire based EMS is better. There's evidence that private or 3rd party systems are better. I have no interest in ever being on an ambulance and will never have to. My comment was directly related to the insistence that IAFF Locals can strike. A no strike provision was put in the IAFF Constitution and there has only been one strike in the history of the IAFF. I believe it was in Boston in the late 20's

Rates.
Incompetent.

Stupid IPhone.

Another thing is the IAFFs treatment of Volunteer Firefighters, their lobbying to keep Paramedic education a technical cert and not a 2/4 year degree, and their bias against increased fire education standards.

Kansas City is a great example. IAFF backed fire side took over the city's third service EMS which had worked fine for decades, laid off everyone not fire, and have continually managed to fail to even meet previous response times. And then you have Detroit.

You say you're not interested in the EMS side, so do most firefighters I know. But the IAFF is on a mission to put us third service people out of a job.


I can't say I agree with everything the IAFF does and would hazard to guess most Union members don't. I know there were a lot of guys unhappy in '04 when the IAFF endorsed Kerry over Bush (well at least here but it's Texas).

As far as protecting jobs, well that's what most Unions are for. I can only tell what was told to me 17 years ago, we're not here to save your skin or get you out of trouble if you do something stupid. We're here to make sure the disciplinary process is run without bias and to make sure that Civil Service Laws are followed. You can also say that the IAFF is out to increase opportunities for the membership. I do think that if EMS was more unionized the pay and benefits would be much better. Whether it's fire or private. Heck, I remember being in the Academy at getting paid more per hour than the Paramedic on the ambulance I did my ride outs with
 
2012-12-12 10:48:35 PM  

LordJiro: Fart_Machine: LargeCanine: Whatever happened to liberty and personal freedom?

Don't work for a union shop. Nobody is forcing you to.

But non-union shops tend to have shiattier wages, benefits and such. People like him just want the benefits a union brings without the responsibility.


Pretty much this. Same entitled mentality as all rightists.
 
2012-12-12 10:48:50 PM  
Hey asshole blogger,

Go fark yourself.

Love, Tudorgurl
 
2012-12-12 10:55:56 PM  

whidbey: This is because firefighters and police officers are vital to society. Teachers are not"

Whoever said this needs to resign.


I don't think they should have signed to begin with.
 
2012-12-12 11:15:49 PM  
i29.photobucket.com

Can you open your mouth wider and tilt your head back?
 
2012-12-12 11:20:25 PM  

Diogenes: FlashHarry: BarkingUnicorn: Not because cops and firefighters have guns and axes but teachers do not?

actually, it's because cops and firefighters are gay icons. do you think your average bible-thumping michigan republican is going to rub one out to thoughts of a school teacher?

[www.thearchnemesis.com image 335x282]

[marvelousmisadventures.typepad.com image 300x300] 

It's conceivable.


Pornography. Is there anything it CAN'T do?

/never been hot for teacher...
//well one of the male ones WAS awfully pretty...
 
2012-12-12 11:20:36 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Do I think that fire based EMS would be better, yes.


Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to be hostile with you, but this is one area I'm pretty passionate about. The problem with forcing EMS on Fire is, like you have said, people did not sign up to be a Firefighter to do patient care. Countries like UK and Canada have robust and progressive EMS systems with Firefighters ONLY providing first responder-level care. Things end badly when you force a Firefighter to care for someone when they don't have any desire to do so, it reflects in the way they manage and handle patients.

In addition, there are areas in the United States which CANNOT afford Fire-based EMS. It's EXPENSIVE as all get-out to do it, which is why it's far more common to see in large urban areas. Many areas of the US cannot even afford to pay a full time firefighter to man stations, and 70% of the Fire Service in the United States is volunteer.

As a Fire Volunteer myself, there's nothing wrong with them in the least, but I can also tell you that they do not maintain the same level of training and practice as a Hospital or Third-service based system.

Peter von Nostrand: I can't say I agree with everything the IAFF does and would hazard to guess most Union members don't. I know there were a lot of guys unhappy in '04 when the IAFF endorsed Kerry over Bush (well at least here but it's Texas).

As far as protecting jobs, well that's what most Unions are for. I can only tell what was told to me 17 years ago, we're not here to save your skin or get you out of trouble if you do something stupid. We're here to make sure the disciplinary process is run without bias and to make sure that Civil Service Laws are followed. You can also say that the IAFF is out to increase opportunities for the membership.


You know, I don't have a problem with the IAFF at the local level. They do protect firefighters. The problem I have is with their national leadership who actively pursues an agenda of forced cross-training and EMS absorbtion so that they can keep personnel without making cuts due to budget concerns. And I do understand they want to protect their members jobs. But if they were just seeking to increase their membership - again, using Kansas City, MO as an example, they wouldn't be laying off people who are a year away from their county pension, and refusing to hire them while stripping engine companies to run ambulances.

Peter von Nostrand: I do think that if EMS was more unionized the pay and benefits would be much better. Whether it's fire or private. Heck, I remember being in the Academy at getting paid more per hour than the Paramedic on the ambulance I did my ride outs with


The problem is that the groups can't play nice. Fire Side Paramedics view themselves a Fire Side only, and don't get along well as a rule with their third service and private counterparts. It's a matter of culture, and as we both know, the Fire Service is 200 years of tradition unhampered by progress.

There ARE unions for Paramedics, but they are far less prevalent and visible as the IAFF.

I mentioned what I make a year doing Critical Care Transport to a Paramedic friend of mine in Ontario, and his jaw dropped. They're paid twice what I make at entry level.

One of the other major problems with Paramedics being paid what they deserve is two fold. One, we've only existed in the United States as a legitimate, recognized profession for about 40 years. Nursing has existed for over two hundred. Heck, you still have states where Paramedics are regulated by their boards of nursing as technicians, and certified only - not licensed.

This is another one of the major bones I have to pick with the IAFF. They keep education levels low by a matter of union policy so that Paramedic education is accessible to anyone. They have lobbied against making Paramedic a mandatory two year degree at minimum, and have regularly attacked departments who make higher education a requirement for promotions.

They have also lobbied against Fire Departments participating in Community Care Paramedic programs, which allow Paramedics to function as mid-level providers in the field.

I kind of have a problem with my chosen profession being treated as an add-on to someone's Firefighter cert, while other countries are treating it as a 4-year mandatory degree to even ride the streets and paying accordingly.

/also, Merry Christmas - check your profile in about five minutes.. Always nice to meet a fellow Emergency Services guy on FARK.
 
2012-12-12 11:21:22 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: defeating my attempt to give the gift of TotalFark.


Dangit!
 
2012-12-12 11:21:53 PM  

zedster: Seems I have to keep making this point ...


It's based on teacher survey data so don't take those numbers to the bank. An OECD study showed American teachers at the high end compared to other countries at 1100 hours/year of actual class time in lower secondary, or 25 weeks of eight hour days as a base.
 
2012-12-12 11:26:25 PM  

Fart_Machine: LargeCanine: Whatever happened to liberty and personal freedom?

Don't work for a union shop. Nobody is forcing you to.


You are right. The only ones using force are the unions.
 
2012-12-12 11:32:40 PM  

LargeCanine: Fart_Machine: LargeCanine: Whatever happened to liberty and personal freedom?

Don't work for a union shop. Nobody is forcing you to.

You are right. The only ones using force are the unions.


Unions forced you to get a job? Fascinating.
 
2012-12-12 11:49:05 PM  

goatleggedfellow: [i29.photobucket.com image 164x166]

Can you open your mouth wider and tilt your head back?


Is it safe?
 
2012-12-12 11:54:14 PM  
L.D. Ablo: They prey on the profitable low-hanging fruit of people who drive too fast. Then they try to squirm out of taking police reports from people who are victims of crime. Always some horseshiat about it being a "ivil matter" or "not in their jurisdiction."



-----------------------


I ran into that "civil matter" bullshiat a few months ago. My ex-wife came into my home when she knew I was out and had one of the kids let her in, and a week later went into my father's home, in another city even. Cash, cell phones, passport and legal papers gone between the two incidents. Both PDs told me "civil matter" even though I had a divorce decree in hand showing that there was no longer any civil matter.

I'm sure that this civil matter works for black males in GA too, right?

Farking lazy assed bullies is all they are.
 
2012-12-12 11:58:02 PM  

Absolut Height Advantage: It's the same reason the state police union was the only union exempt in Wisconsin's dismantling of collective bargaining: IN CASE OF PUBLIC UPRISING, THE RICH ARE STILL PROTECTED BY THE POLICE THEY ESSENTIALLY PURCHASED, and I guess in this case they also wanted the fires set to their homes by the lynch mobs put out


Bonus: district court in Wisconsin rejected this provision on equal protection grounds. so Michigan legislators KNEW there was a good reason not to do it this way, and did it anyway, because fark you, that's why
 
2012-12-13 12:01:32 AM  

whidbey: This is because firefighters and police officers are vital to society. Teachers are not"

Whoever said this needs to resign.


Don't you just know that when Romney or whoever it was made that remark about not needing firefighters and cops during the campaign, he was right there behind that statement too?
 
2012-12-13 12:11:20 AM  

beta_plus: Obvious tag on strike?

American public school teachers suck. We pay more per student on k-12 public schools and our reward is the world's most stupid children. By any measure American public school teachers suck ass. When they aren't doing their job, they're sexually abusing the children of hispanics because they know that their parents fear having the INS called. Then after sexually abusing their children, they blame the parents!

/"We teachers need more money to do a job that when we fail miserably at it will then claim we can't do it because the parents suck - while we make their kids suck us off!"


You just got upgraded from "troll amateur" to "troll journeyman." that was some impressive trollin'
 
2012-12-13 12:20:26 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: I have no interest in ever being on an ambulance and will never have to


Peter von Nostrand: I won't ever be on an ambulance


I wouldn't say that a third time if I were you.

trollgod.jpg
 
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