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2012-12-12 11:46:42 AM  
Congrats, Serpico, you needed a taser to subdue a little asian mother at an Apple store. Surely a medal is in order.
 
2012-12-12 11:52:04 AM  
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2012-12-12 11:59:19 AM  
Don't taze me, gweilo !
 
2012-12-12 11:59:59 AM  
I've heard stories of Asian people being manhandled by Apple Store employees (never saw a story where cops tased someone, though) because Apple stores have this policy limiting how many iPhones they sell to people who look Asian because they assume they're unlocking the phones and sending them to be resold in China.

Frankly, I think it's racial profiling.
 
2012-12-12 12:02:47 PM  
The confrontation happened when Li went to the store on Monday to pick up two iPhones she ordered online. Police say the store had issued a stay-away order against Li.

The store issued a stay-away order, or the store requested one and a court issued the order?
... which also seems unlikely, since we're talking about a first event on a Friday and second event the following Monday.
 
2012-12-12 12:04:42 PM  

Theaetetus: The confrontation happened when Li went to the store on Monday to pick up two iPhones she ordered online. Police say the store had issued a stay-away order against Li.

The store issued a stay-away order, or the store requested one and a court issued the order?
... which also seems unlikely, since we're talking about a first event on a Friday and second event the following Monday.


It could be a company directive and not something issued by a court.
 
2012-12-12 12:07:33 PM  

RexTalionis: Theaetetus: The confrontation happened when Li went to the store on Monday to pick up two iPhones she ordered online. Police say the store had issued a stay-away order against Li.

The store issued a stay-away order, or the store requested one and a court issued the order?
... which also seems unlikely, since we're talking about a first event on a Friday and second event the following Monday.

It could be a company directive and not something issued by a court.


Then it's not a stay-away order. If it's the company issuing it themselves, then the cops shouldn't be enforcing it any more than they should be enforcing the Pillar order I just drew up to seize your computer. :P
 
2012-12-12 12:09:01 PM  

Theaetetus: RexTalionis: Theaetetus: The confrontation happened when Li went to the store on Monday to pick up two iPhones she ordered online. Police say the store had issued a stay-away order against Li.

The store issued a stay-away order, or the store requested one and a court issued the order?
... which also seems unlikely, since we're talking about a first event on a Friday and second event the following Monday.

It could be a company directive and not something issued by a court.

Then it's not a stay-away order. If it's the company issuing it themselves, then the cops shouldn't be enforcing it any more than they should be enforcing the Pillar order I just drew up to seize your computer. :P


You're making the big assumption that the reporters report crap accurately.
 
2012-12-12 12:11:14 PM  

Theaetetus: Then it's not a stay-away order. If it's the company issuing it themselves, then the cops shouldn't be enforcing it any more than they should be enforcing the Pillar order I just drew up to seize your computer. :P


Or I didn't read the article beyond the first 2 paragraphs.
 
2012-12-12 12:11:28 PM  

Theaetetus: Then it's not a stay-away order. If it's the company issuing it themselves, then the cops shouldn't be enforcing it any more than they should be enforcing the Pillar order I just drew up to seize your computer. :P


Yeah but if they band you from the store and you show up anyway, can't they cry trespassing?
 
2012-12-12 12:13:12 PM  

Mugato: Theaetetus: Then it's not a stay-away order. If it's the company issuing it themselves, then the cops shouldn't be enforcing it any more than they should be enforcing the Pillar order I just drew up to seize your computer. :P

Yeah but if they band you from the store and you show up anyway, can't they cry trespassing?


Only if you enter the store. The stay away order would also keep you from standing in front and flinging poo epithets at them.
 
2012-12-12 12:20:15 PM  

gopher321: Don't taze me, gweilo !


It is "gwei lo" or "gwai lo" that's the proper latinization for that?
 
2012-12-12 12:21:44 PM  
I don't need a court order to stay the hell away from Apple stores.
 
2012-12-12 12:27:18 PM  
In other news there's a limit on how many iphones you can buy.

"I want to give you more of my money"
"No! Go away you evil person or I will have you tazed! You have reached your iphone limit!"

/I'll never understand the cult of Apple
 
2012-12-12 12:30:14 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: gopher321: Don't taze me, gweilo !

It is "gwei lo" or "gwai lo" that's the proper latinization for that?


Neither. Gwailou.
 
2012-12-12 12:31:39 PM  

Walker: In other news there's a limit on how many iphones you can buy.

"I want to give you more of my money"
"No! Go away you evil person or I will have you tazed! You have reached your iphone limit!"

/I'll never understand the cult of Apple


There is if you look Asian, base on what I've heard. They're afraid that Chinese people will buy unsubsidized iPhones and then sell them in China for a profit.
 
2012-12-12 12:32:33 PM  

Walker: In other news there's a limit on how many iphones you can buy.

"I want to give you more of my money"
"No! Go away you evil person or I will have you tazed! You have reached your iphone limit!"

/I'll never understand the cult of Apple


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Many phones of all types - Apple, Samsung, HTC, etc. - are sold at a reduced price that is partially subsidized by a service provider. For example, a phone that may normally be $799 may be sold at a subsidized $299 price, with a 3 year service contract to a particular provider. However, it's sometimes possible to purchase these phones at the subsidized price and unlock them to work with any provider, resulting in someone - either the store or the subsidizing service provider - taking a several-hundred-dollar bath.

/tomorrow, I'll explain to you that water is wet
 
2012-12-12 12:33:09 PM  

RexTalionis: They're afraid that Chinese people will buy unsubsidized subsidized iPhones


I doubt they would mind as much if she were paying the $800 price.
 
2012-12-12 12:35:03 PM  

Theaetetus: RexTalionis: They're afraid that Chinese people will buy unsubsidized subsidized iPhones

I doubt they would mind as much if she were paying the $800 price.


If it's a subsidized phone, Apple will still make their money back either way because they're going to be paid by the carrier who subsidizes them, so there's no difference to Apple either way.
 
2012-12-12 12:42:44 PM  

RexTalionis: Theaetetus: RexTalionis: They're afraid that Chinese people will buy unsubsidized subsidized iPhones

I doubt they would mind as much if she were paying the $800 price.

If it's a subsidized phone, Apple will still make their money back either way because they're going to be paid by the carrier who subsidizes them, so there's no difference to Apple either way.


I considered that, too, but which do you believe is honestly more likely... (i) Apple submits a count of all subsidized phones sold that are locked to a specific provider, regardless of whether the purchaser signed up for a contract, and each provider writes a big fat check without verifying that the phones were ever used, or (ii) each provider pays Apple based on their own account data, sending a check when a new iPhone is activated?

I can't image that AT&T or Verizon would ever agree to the former.
 
2012-12-12 12:49:04 PM  

Theaetetus: RexTalionis: Theaetetus: RexTalionis: They're afraid that Chinese people will buy unsubsidized subsidized iPhones

I doubt they would mind as much if she were paying the $800 price.

If it's a subsidized phone, Apple will still make their money back either way because they're going to be paid by the carrier who subsidizes them, so there's no difference to Apple either way.

I considered that, too, but which do you believe is honestly more likely... (i) Apple submits a count of all subsidized phones sold that are locked to a specific provider, regardless of whether the purchaser signed up for a contract, and each provider writes a big fat check without verifying that the phones were ever used, or (ii) each provider pays Apple based on their own account data, sending a check when a new iPhone is activated?

I can't image that AT&T or Verizon would ever agree to the former.


Yes, but someone will be on the hook for the new contracts that were set up, and if that person doesn't pay or terminates, they're hit with a hefty cancellation fee which would more or less cancel out the benefit of buying it subsidized anyway.
 
2012-12-12 12:53:01 PM  

RexTalionis:
Yes, but someone will be on the hook for the new contracts that were set up, and if that person doesn't pay or terminates, they're hit with a hefty cancellation fee which would more or less cancel out the benefit of buying it subsidized anyway.


Thought of that, too - you are (and I was) forgetting about gifts. If I purchase a phone for you as a gift for Christmas, I don't have to sign up for a contract in my name, and I have no way to obligate you to sign up for one.
 
2012-12-12 12:55:04 PM  

Theaetetus: RexTalionis:
Yes, but someone will be on the hook for the new contracts that were set up, and if that person doesn't pay or terminates, they're hit with a hefty cancellation fee which would more or less cancel out the benefit of buying it subsidized anyway.

Thought of that, too - you are (and I was) forgetting about gifts. If I purchase a phone for you as a gift for Christmas, I don't have to sign up for a contract in my name, and I have no way to obligate you to sign up for one.


Wouldn't that mean that you're buying it at full retail - i.e. unsubsidized?
 
2012-12-12 12:58:03 PM  

Theaetetus: I considered that, too, but which do you believe is honestly more likely... (i) Apple submits a count of all subsidized phones sold that are locked to a specific provider, regardless of whether the purchaser signed up for a contract, and each provider writes a big fat check without verifying that the phones were ever used, or (ii) each provider pays Apple based on their own account data, sending a check when a new iPhone is activated?


Believe it or not, but (i) is how it works. Sorta. The subsidized phones are a different sku from the normal phones

Theaetetus: I considered that, too, but which do you believe is honestly more likely... (i) Apple submits a count of all subsidized phones sold that are locked to a specific provider, regardless of whether the purchaser signed up for a contract, and each provider writes a big fat check without verifying that the phones were ever used, or (ii) each provider pays Apple based on their own account data, sending a check when a new iPhone is activated?


The subsidized phones are a separate sku from the un-subsidized phones. They aren't allowed to leave the store unless they've been activated. So whoever is buying the phone has gone through a credit check and signed a contract with their provider of choice before the iPhone is turned over to them. So they personally are on the hook for an early cancellation fee if they try to unload the phone overseas, not Apple.
 
2012-12-12 01:02:13 PM  

RexTalionis: Theaetetus: RexTalionis:
Yes, but someone will be on the hook for the new contracts that were set up, and if that person doesn't pay or terminates, they're hit with a hefty cancellation fee which would more or less cancel out the benefit of buying it subsidized anyway.

Thought of that, too - you are (and I was) forgetting about gifts. If I purchase a phone for you as a gift for Christmas, I don't have to sign up for a contract in my name, and I have no way to obligate you to sign up for one.

Wouldn't that mean that you're buying it at full retail - i.e. unsubsidized?


No, that's why they have the concept of provider-locking. I buy an AT&T locked iPhone as a gift and don't sign up for a contract, but Apple sells it at $299... Theoretically, the gift recipient will eventually sign up for a contract, and AT&T will subsidize Apple for the difference.
Unlocking is a way of getting the cheap price initially and then dodging the payback condition.
 
2012-12-12 01:02:58 PM  

ShawnDoc: The subsidized phones are a separate sku from the un-subsidized phones. They aren't allowed to leave the store unless they've been activated. So whoever is buying the phone has gone through a credit check and signed a contract with their provider of choice before the iPhone is turned over to them. So they personally are on the hook for an early cancellation fee if they try to unload the phone overseas, not Apple.


So you can't buy an iPhone as a gift while paying the subsidized price?
 
2012-12-12 01:18:15 PM  
Huh. Upon further investigation, it looks like you can't buy an iPhone as a gift. I withdraw my argument, concede the point, and agree that Apple should be fine selling her as many phones as she can afford.
 
2012-12-12 01:18:58 PM  

Theaetetus: So you can't buy an iPhone as a gift while paying the subsidized price?


Nope. Tried to buy one for my wife, was told I had to put it in my name or bring her down to sign the contract. (They did say I could provider her DL and SS numbers to run the credit check ahead of time).
 
2012-12-12 01:44:10 PM  

RexTalionis: I've heard stories of Asian people being manhandled by Apple Store employees (never saw a story where cops tased someone, though) because Apple stores have this policy limiting how many iPhones they sell to people who look Asian because they assume they're unlocking the phones and sending them to be resold in China.

Frankly, I think it's racial profiling.


I cannot imagine why some retail employee would even begin to care what I am doing with MY product that I purchased with MY money.
 
2012-12-12 01:56:48 PM  

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2012-12-12 02:38:23 PM  
The store issued a stay-away order, or the store requested one and a court issued the order?

Almost certainly store workers told the woman to go away, or the police officer repeated the directives of store workers. Judging by newspaper reports it is standard policy in the area to have police pass along or at least witness a no tresspass warning. Police involvement serves two useful purposes: (1) it provides a more neutral witness in case there is a later dispute over the existence or scope of the order, (2) it emphasizes the legal nature of the warning.

In Massachusetts and I believe also in New Hampshire the crime of trespass does not require violation of a court order. An oral command by the person in charge of property is sufficient notice.
 
2012-12-12 02:51:54 PM  

ZAZ: The store issued a stay-away order, or the store requested one and a court issued the order?

Almost certainly store workers told the woman to go away, or the police officer repeated the directives of store workers. Judging by newspaper reports it is standard policy in the area to have police pass along or at least witness a no tresspass warning. Police involvement serves two useful purposes: (1) it provides a more neutral witness in case there is a later dispute over the existence or scope of the order, (2) it emphasizes the legal nature of the warning.

In Massachusetts and I believe also in New Hampshire the crime of trespass does not require violation of a court order. An oral command by the person in charge of property is sufficient notice.


I believe you misunderstand. A stay-away order is something specific, not merely a request to stay away by the property owner. This would be like the police saying "the store issued a temporary restraining order". As noted above, it's probably poor typical journalism.
 
2012-12-12 02:52:50 PM  
According to another article:

A Chinese woman living in Massachusetts was Tased repeatedly by police at a mall after store owners called police when she attempted to buy more than one iPhone as gifts for her family.

WMUR news reports that 44-year-old Xiaojie Li was visiting the mall in Nashua, New Hampshire, last week to buy Christmas presents, but ran into trouble at the Apple store.

Li, who cannot speak English very well, was confused when workers refused to allow her to buy more than two iPhones. According to her daughter, Li recorded video of other customers buying multiple iPhones, prompting Apple staff to ask her to leave.

According to Nashua police, the store notified them of the incident and requested a no-trespass order.

When Li returned to the store Tuesday and attempted once more to buy several iPhones, police were called to the scene.

Her daughter told WMUR, "My mom says she doesn't know why they called the police because she doesn't understand what they are talking about."

"The manager of Apple store came and told her something but she doesn't understand," the daughter added.

Police claim she then resisted arrest, forcing them to use a Taser on her. Onlookers captured the incident on a camera phone. Li can be seen writhing on the ground as the cracking electricity of the Taser causes her to scream.

"My mom's just really upset because she's in a different country (and) nobody's helping her. She doesn't understand any English," Li's daughter said.
 
2012-12-12 02:57:37 PM  
See, that's what happens when you try to evade state taxes.

/she could've gone to the Chestnut Hill store
 
2012-12-12 03:52:34 PM  

RexTalionis: "My mom's just really upset because she's in a different country (and) nobody's helping her. She doesn't understand any English," Li's daughter said.


Another reason foreigners should learn English: To avoid being tased at the Pheasant Lane Mall.

\if that mall didn't have a Chick-fil-A, I never would even bother thinking about it
\\as it is, I avoid it 99% of the time
 
2012-12-12 04:02:53 PM  
"The weapon is a level of force normally required to overcome passive, defensive, or offensive resistance that is intended as an act of overt aggression toward the officer where an individual refuses to comply with verbal instructions."


So if you're passive, they'll shock you into active compliance. Well, that's lovely.
 
2012-12-12 04:04:25 PM  

jigger: "The weapon is a level of force normally required to overcome passive, defensive, or offensive resistance that is intended as an act of overt aggression toward the officer where an individual refuses to comply with verbal instructions."


So if you're passive, they'll shock you into active compliance. Well, that's lovely.


cdn.theatlantic.com
 
2012-12-12 04:06:15 PM  
"My mom's just really upset because she's in a different country (and) nobody's helping her. She doesn't understand any English," Li's daughter said.

...then maybe she should take someone that DOES speak English if she plans to spend several hundred dollars on gifts? If nothing else, to protect herself from being scammed somehow?

I'm sorry, it's not the store's responsibility to have a translator on hand.

I work for a company with a front office, where people can come in to make payments. I hear all the time from the front desk staff about how people miraculously can't speak English when they're somehow not getting what they want, or behind on their bill. If you can't speak the language, bring someone who does, and if you don't, don't expect to be coddled when you refuse to follow the commands of law enforcement.

Making a little Asian lady ride the lightning might've been excessive, but when the store owner tells you to go, and the cops tell you to go, you go.
 
2012-12-12 04:37:48 PM  
Perhaps she should have thought twice about attempting to circumvent restrictions on reselling.

Claiming a language barrier is just an excuse to garner false sympathy.
 
2012-12-12 05:10:20 PM  
Nice police work there, Lou!

www.channel4.com

/most cops are thugs
 
2012-12-12 06:09:29 PM  
Crazy Asian embarrassed about what happened on video but doesn't mind crying for the news on TV, video starts after the fact...

farks given - 0...
 
2012-12-12 06:28:31 PM  
How thin is it?? HOW THIN IS IT??

/Can I watch Gangnam Style on it?
 
2012-12-12 06:33:33 PM  
I guess they don't all look alike.
*ducks*
 
2012-12-12 06:49:48 PM  
put little Asian lady behind cash register at her family's restaurant and suddenly the Engrish and Math get real good.

/yeahyeahyeah bigot racist etcetera. how about Realist.

And howcum she didn't use her Kung Fu Fighting skills? We all know damn well those little Asians are masters of the deadly arts. I've seen the frickin' movies. Shut up.
 
2012-12-12 07:01:13 PM  

RexTalionis: I've heard stories of Asian people being manhandled by Apple Store employees (never saw a story where cops tased someone, though) because Apple stores have this policy limiting how many iPhones they sell to people who look Asian because they assume they're unlocking the phones and sending them to be resold in China.

Frankly, I think it's racial profiling.


This lady doesn't seem that slick to play such a trick.
 
2012-12-12 07:16:19 PM  

RexTalionis: I've heard stories of Asian people being manhandled by Apple Store employees (never saw a story where cops tased someone, though) because Apple stores have this policy limiting how many iPhones they sell to people who look Asian because they assume they're unlocking the phones and sending them to be resold in China.

Frankly, I think it's racial profiling.


Happened to my Vietnamese-American wife in Michigan. She wanted four iPads shortly after launch. They refused to sell her more than one. I walked in later and bought three.

/then I returned all four, questioned the manager on the policy, and was told the leave the store
//it's like they want to ensure every Asian ever ends up on Android
 
2012-12-12 09:03:25 PM  
Well she did have $16,000 on her... wonder if she wanted spend all of that on phones.
 
2012-12-12 09:06:47 PM  

Tsar_Bomba1: Well she did have $16,000 on her... wonder if she wanted spend all of that on phones.


No, a lot of Asian people (especially immigrants) tend to carry a lot of cash for some reason.
 
2012-12-12 10:00:10 PM  
I thought iPhones were MADE IN CHINA. Things are pretty weird when they're made in China, shipped to the USA, purchased in the USA then shipped back to China and it's cheaper that way. They must have fantastic brutal inventory control in the factories.
 
2012-12-12 10:35:35 PM  
husband said "not as far as i know"
she doesn't speak much english--so what would he know?
to be tresspassed from a place you were there before and they said stay away
16,000 dollars...what am i doing wrong?..in cash!!
suprised it wasn't taken as drug money.
 
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