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(WCPO Cincinnati)   There are times when a mercy rule seems like a good idea. A score of 107-2 is one of those times   (wcpo.com) divider line 107
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2012-12-12 12:11:27 PM
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Does not approve of you weak "mercy rule"
 
2012-12-12 12:19:51 PM
They probably learned it by watching Tom Crean pressing cupcake teams while up 50 points in the second half. Typical jerkoff IU move.
 
2012-12-12 12:30:13 PM
Someone on Facebook had a comment about this, so I'll just leave my reply here:

So I hadn't heard about it until now either, but I think the lesson for the losing team is one of improvement. If they are that bad, I'm guessing they won't win a game. So do they just cancel the season? No- they have to start somewhere, and it looks like this is bottom. Next game when they score 10 points- improvement. 12 points? Improvement- yet still losing, but still hopefully on average improving. If you are in financial trouble, don't shy away from looking at your bank account. If you are overweight, get on a scale. Calling/cancelling the game or having the other team back off is just not what happens in life (though some days I wish it did).
 
2012-12-12 12:39:19 PM
I think the losing team should forfeit to spare the winning team embarrassment.
 
2012-12-12 12:56:40 PM
I'm sure there will be plenty of outrage at the coach of the winning team, which is fine. I have no idea whether he did or not but he probably should have played his worst 5 players in the last three quarters and hell, play them at different positions than they normally do. In the kids league I coach soccer, when one team is running up the score, we suggest to the players they only dribble/shoot with their left foot or something like that.

All of that said, there should also be some fingers pointed at the losing coach. If your team can't score a single basket (the only points were from free throws) in an entire game, you shouldn't be fielding a team. That coach knew damn well his team sucked.
 
2012-12-12 01:17:53 PM

bdub77: They probably learned it by watching Tom Crean pressing cupcake teams while up 50 points in the second half. Typical jerkoff IU move.


what are you supposed to do when you're up by 50 points and already have your benchwarmers in? if you're not using every minute of game time as an opportunity to improve your players, you're not a good coach.
 
2012-12-12 01:30:46 PM
Much like others have said above.... you can't tell players to just 'stand around'... how is that being "sportsmanlike"? Both teams should be trying their best all game, and trying not to get injured if they are up by enough, but, that is mostly for sports like football. In basketball, the team should at least be trying to score every possession, but, once up 50-1... I guess they could try passing it around a lot instead of going in for easy scores. Obviously though, the way better team here has moves the other team can't handle... I mean, a WNBA would beat my 3rd grade daughters team 150-0 as well... the problem is why are they playing eachother to begin with?

And it can even happen with teams that are supposed to be at the same level... I mean, all you have to do is look at some of the NFL games this season.... was Seattle being a "bad" team by not slowing down once they were up 40-0?
 
2012-12-12 01:37:25 PM

dletter: Much like others have said above.... you can't tell players to just 'stand around'... how is that being "sportsmanlike"? Both teams should be trying their best all game, and trying not to get injured if they are up by enough, but, that is mostly for sports like football. In basketball, the team should at least be trying to score every possession, but, once up 50-1... I guess they could try passing it around a lot instead of going in for easy scores. Obviously though, the way better team here has moves the other team can't handle... I mean, a WNBA would beat my 3rd grade daughters team 150-0 as well... the problem is why are they playing eachother to begin with?

And it can even happen with teams that are supposed to be at the same level... I mean, all you have to do is look at some of the NFL games this season.... was Seattle being a "bad" team by not slowing down once they were up 40-0?


Seattle is also a paid, professional team. This is high school, where the vast majority of all players will NOT play at the professional level. It's not "think of the children", but there are certain points where you look like a twat running up the score.

/As an IU fan, I'm looking at you Coach Crean.
 
2012-12-12 01:46:37 PM
How can you be so bad that you can't score at least one lucky basket?  Seriously... basketball it set up to be a parity game.
 
I used to play a lot of pick-up basketball at our local parks.  I was average for a kid who probably would never have made the high school team in any way.  Sometimes we'd just have me and my friends- all of the same not-so-great skillset, and have a good, even game.
 
But then sometimes we'd come across a bunch of kids who were MUCH better than us.  Probably actual HS players.  They'd kick our ass, but we'd certainly be able to heave up a few lucky shots.  Or, at some point, you're going to catch someone off guard and find yourself in perfect position for a layup.
 
2012-12-12 01:52:47 PM

downstairs: How can you be so bad that you can't score at least one lucky basket?  Seriously... basketball it set up to be a parity game.
 
I used to play a lot of pick-up basketball at our local parks.  I was average for a kid who probably would never have made the high school team in any way.  Sometimes we'd just have me and my friends- all of the same not-so-great skillset, and have a good, even game.
 
But then sometimes we'd come across a bunch of kids who were MUCH better than us.  Probably actual HS players.  They'd kick our ass, but we'd certainly be able to heave up a few lucky shots.  Or, at some point, you're going to catch someone off guard and find yourself in perfect position for a layup.


The only thing I can think of is perhaps the other team was a special needs team. Seriously:

Link

Which would beg the question, WTF is a special needs school doing fielding a team in a regular league.
 
2012-12-12 02:03:58 PM
It was a girls basketball game. They needed a mercy rule for the audience.

/thank you, Daniel Tosh
 
2012-12-12 02:11:39 PM

lennavan: downstairs: How can you be so bad that you can't score at least one lucky basket?  Seriously... basketball it set up to be a parity game.
 
I used to play a lot of pick-up basketball at our local parks.  I was average for a kid who probably would never have made the high school team in any way.  Sometimes we'd just have me and my friends- all of the same not-so-great skillset, and have a good, even game.
 
But then sometimes we'd come across a bunch of kids who were MUCH better than us.  Probably actual HS players.  They'd kick our ass, but we'd certainly be able to heave up a few lucky shots.  Or, at some point, you're going to catch someone off guard and find yourself in perfect position for a layup.

The only thing I can think of is perhaps the other team was a special needs team. Seriously:

Link

Which would beg the question, WTF is a special needs school doing fielding a team in a regular league.



That's all sorts of farked up.
 
Yeah, I'm all for integrating kids with special needs into the normal school activities.  But at the same time... kids are cruel.  You gotta be careful.  When it comes to sports, yeah, why not just field an all-special-needs intermural team that plays against each other for fun/exercise/team building/etc.
 
2012-12-12 02:29:57 PM
Just make it interesting
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2012-12-12 02:52:36 PM
WTF is a special needs school doing fielding a team in a regular league.

Depends on how special they are. My recollection from high school is the school for the deaf had one of the best wrestling teams in the league.
 
2012-12-12 03:11:18 PM
Who the fark cares?

Oh. It's in Indiana.

Nevermind, carry on.
 
2012-12-12 03:11:44 PM
Oh its girls basketball
 
2012-12-12 03:12:54 PM
Bloomington South has a history of crap like this.
 
2012-12-12 03:22:01 PM
 
2012-12-12 03:26:53 PM

lennavan: I'm sure there will be plenty of outrage at the coach of the winning team, which is fine. I have no idea whether he did or not but he probably should have played his worst 5 players in the last three quarters and hell, play them at different positions than they normally do. In the kids league I coach soccer, when one team is running up the score, we suggest to the players they only dribble/shoot with their left foot or something like that.



With a score that bad it doesn't matter. I played HS soccer and we had a game my junior year with a team that was playing for the first time ever. After about 20 minutes and an 10-0 score our coach put our keeper as a midfielder subbed in our reserves at various unusual positions, and we still scored another 15 (the keeper had a hat trick himself). Some teams are so inept they are far outmatched by the entire league. No amount of "farking around" by the coaching staff is going to help. As someone above put, it's nothing but a learning opportunity for the losing team.

In fact this team shot at best 50% from the free thrown line since they got 1 point in each of 2 quarters. Even when GIVEN a free shot they can hardly make it, there is no way to play them and not seem "unsportsmanlike"

/I made my first and only save as a keeper that game, a slow roller that was "shot" from 40 yards out.
//That's right, I was never scored against!
 
2012-12-12 03:27:08 PM
From a better link:

Staysniak said callers to his program who were at the game told him Bloomington South was pressing into the third quarter.

"You have class and you back it off," Staysniak said. "You were winning 39-0, 69-1 at halftime. What are you doing?"
 
2012-12-12 03:37:12 PM
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MERCY!
 
2012-12-12 03:38:06 PM

kev_dog: Someone on Facebook had a comment about this, so I'll just leave my reply here:

So I hadn't heard about it until now either, but I think the lesson for the losing team is one of improvement. If they are that bad, I'm guessing they won't win a game. So do they just cancel the season? No- they have to start somewhere, and it looks like this is bottom. Next game when they score 10 points- improvement. 12 points? Improvement- yet still losing, but still hopefully on average improving. If you are in financial trouble, don't shy away from looking at your bank account. If you are overweight, get on a scale. Calling/cancelling the game or having the other team back off is just not what happens in life (though some days I wish it did).


Counter point:

True story time. I was about 13 or 14 and playing on a soccer team. The coach put together some indoor soccer teams to keep us playing through the winter. For those who've never played indoor soccer, it's soccer, but played in a hockey rink with similar rules. Offsides is the blue lines, sub on the fly, walls and boards are in play...etc). This leads to faster paced, higher scoring games. 6-8 goals per team is fairly common.

Well, one game matched us up against a much weaker team. And very early on, the game got out of control...like 5-0 within the first period. Rather than let us beat down a clearly inferior team, our coach had us work on fundamentals. He made a very simple rule. You only get two touches. Any more and you get subbed out (remember, sub on the fly rules?...punishment was immediate).

It forced us think much harder about what we where doing and how we were going to do it. What am I going to do when I get the ball? How can I help out my teammates to get somewhere they can pass me the ball? Were do I need to be...where do I need to be three passes from now?

The basketball coach could easily have slowed the tempo down, and said we are going to run our offense and make 3 good passes before we take a shot. Swing the ball around, find the open girl. After the shot, we retreat and go play defense.

On defense, we're going to work on our zone, our boxing out, and our rebounds. No fast breaks tonight...for either team.
 
2012-12-12 03:40:22 PM
Think I've told this before, but I was the team manager for my high school basketball team when they were a district powerhouse (and even won State a year or two after I graduated). As such, a good portion of our games got out of hand even with the coach clearing the bench and playing his scrubs for entire quarters, not actively trying to run up the score but at the same time realizing that it would be pointless for his guys to not actually, you know, play to score and stuff. Anyhow, his solution was to phone in scores that favored the other team a bit more. For example, we beat one team 59-9. That's right... nine points for the ENTIRE GAME. He phoned in a score of 59-31 to the league. Another time we won 111-33, he submitted a 91-40. Drove us nuts... especially me, since I was keeping these meticulous scorebooks which he freely threw out the window. Also not a little obnoxious to the other schools we were whooping up on... "there there, it's all right, I'll lie and say we didn't beat you that badly." *pat pat*

/marginally csb
 
2012-12-12 03:44:53 PM
Is there even a shot clock in girls hs ball? Run the 4 corners offense and run the time out.
 
2012-12-12 03:45:56 PM
Sorry, America is a WIN or else country, and doesn't matter the level of the competition, the gender, anything, If you don't let the WINNERs do what they want, you should meet the challenge and start winning. Not letting those who are better do what they want is socialism.

/sarcasm
 
2012-12-12 03:47:36 PM
There shouldn't be a mercy rule, because that's kindof gay, but the parents on the losing team should have met the winning coach in the parking lot afterwards and broken his legs with a metal pipe. This self-policing will ensure that this situation doesn't happen again for quite a while.
 
2012-12-12 03:52:43 PM
Eh, I was on a hockey team when I was a kid that got slaughtered all season. Didn't win once. Lost games 15-0. I still loved every minute I played in those games, enjoyed going to practices and being with my teammates. The coach made it fun for us no matter how bad we got beat. There was never any talk of "mercy" or protecting our feelings.

I don't know if kids take these things nearly as seriously as some of the parents and other adults do...

Having said that, this was back in the '70s and I don't have any kids, so maybe things are different now.
 
2012-12-12 03:52:47 PM

Hilarity_N_Sues: Think I've told this before, but I was the team manager for my high school basketball team when they were a district powerhouse (and even won State a year or two after I graduated). As such, a good portion of our games got out of hand even with the coach clearing the bench and playing his scrubs for entire quarters, not actively trying to run up the score but at the same time realizing that it would be pointless for his guys to not actually, you know, play to score and stuff. Anyhow, his solution was to phone in scores that favored the other team a bit more. For example, we beat one team 59-9. That's right... nine points for the ENTIRE GAME. He phoned in a score of 59-31 to the league. Another time we won 111-33, he submitted a 91-40. Drove us nuts... especially me, since I was keeping these meticulous scorebooks which he freely threw out the window. Also not a little obnoxious to the other schools we were whooping up on... "there there, it's all right, I'll lie and say we didn't beat you that badly." *pat pat*

/marginally csb


Um, so, the league didn't keep any other stats, only scores? Because, they would get the stats and it would clearly not line up... were you fudging the overall shooting stats as well?
 
2012-12-12 03:54:16 PM

keylock71: Having said that, this was back in the '70s and I don't have any kids, so maybe things are different now.


yes
 
2012-12-12 03:55:52 PM
STOP CODDLING ATHLETES.


Getting the snot kicked out of you SHOULD BE a good learning experience. You SHOULD improve from the experience. It is not suppose to be a lesson in whining and pointing fingers.

If you don't want to deal with competitive sports don't participate in them. Sometimes you are the one destroying the opponent sometimes your opponent is the one destroying you. It happens.
 
2012-12-12 03:56:44 PM

dletter: keylock71: Having said that, this was back in the '70s and I don't have any kids, so maybe things are different now.

yes


That's too bad... Competition and winning is a good thing, of course, but it's not really the only valuable thing about organized sports. Especially at the kid level.
 
2012-12-12 03:57:34 PM

litespeed74: [media2.abc15.com image 320x240]


MERCY!


Came for a Cards / Seahawks reference. Leaving satisfied.
 
2012-12-12 03:58:06 PM
either the losing team has a very shallow talent pool in its school district or the winning team needs to be moved to a higher class in in the state basketball league.

edit:
here is where the problem seems to be : " "The dynamic of competition is changing. (Arlington) used to be a large 4-A, urban school, and now they're a smaller turnaround academy. They have fewer students to pick from. They have new coaching staffs, new administrations," Cox said."

The school changed and became less able to compete at its level and yet was not moved to a different class m one in which the level of competition suits them as they are now.
 
2012-12-12 04:06:31 PM
I agree with the trending sentiment here. If you don't like the way things are going for you, the door is over there. Parents, players, coaches, whoever. Just leave. Nobody is stopping you. Otherwise STFU and take it. Some of the best coaching advice I ever got was regarding getting your ass handed to you. Coach told us that whenever you are getting badly outplayed in anything, that is when the best opportunity is for learning. Forget about winning, forget about competing, look at it as a free lesson from someone better than you. Watch what they are doing, study it, learn it, practice it. Incorporate it into your own playing, and become better for it. They may win the game, but they are showing you how in the process.

Good advice, and not just in sports.
 
2012-12-12 04:06:43 PM
Why do sports leagues run through schools again?

/it's stupid
 
2012-12-12 04:16:03 PM
TWO POINTS?! Your "team" scored only TWO POINTS in a game, and they were both FREE THROWS?!

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2012-12-12 04:16:37 PM
Once again, people in here are stupid.

Look, the losing team doesn't need to complain. But that doesn't mean the winning team is right. As others have pointed out, you have plenty of opportunities to work on the things that you DON'T do well in a blowout if you're the winning team. So why not work on those?

It should be somewhat embarrassing to beat someone that badly.

/grew up in the '80s/'90s
//what I remember from sports in those days (and hockey still today) is that if a team is beating you and continues to run up the score, you beat the f*ck out of 'em (hockey) or just hard foul them (basketball)
///seems like the problem is that we legislated away the ass-beatings and now people are free to be assholes all they want with no fear of repercussions
 
2012-12-12 04:18:39 PM

error 303: Eh. I've heard of soccer games with higher scores than that.


Ha! Never heard of that; awesome.
 
2012-12-12 04:19:19 PM

thomps: what are you supposed to do when you're up by 50 points and already have your benchwarmers in? if you're not using every minute of game time as an opportunity to improve your players, you're not a good coach


If your coach honestly thinks that pressing a team that is so bad that you're up 50 on them is productive, your coach may be psychotic. Your benchwarmers are learning far less in that situation than they do every day in practice and scrimmages.
 
2012-12-12 04:24:37 PM

GQueue: If your coach honestly thinks that pressing a team that is so bad that you're up 50 on them is productive, your coach may be psychotic. Your benchwarmers are learning far less in that situation than they do every day in practice and scrimmages.


I envision these people playing basketball in a driveway with their 8-year old nephew and posting them up hard in the paint, boxing out hard on rebounds, and blocking all their shots, while boasting about how awesome they are at basketball and ending the session with telling the nephew "You really suck. You better work on your game."
 
2012-12-12 04:27:28 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Just make it interesting
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I like your style...and choice of porn.
 
2012-12-12 04:31:50 PM

MugzyBrown: Why do sports leagues run through schools again?

/it's stupid


High schools sports (esp FB & BB) are as important in some areas as those sports are for colleges, from a monetary standpoint, especially now with national TV for some games.

I am waiting for the day where Jr. High somehow bubbles up to that level (ESPN2: Jr High Basketball....)... of course, we already have the LLWS, but, that is more of a tradition thing, but, that is basically Jr High level.
 
2012-12-12 04:33:04 PM

dletter: but, that is basically Jr High level.


But, it isn't tied to schools (forgot to add that).
 
2012-12-12 04:33:38 PM
at least it wasn't a soccer game...
 
2012-12-12 04:37:15 PM

kev_dog: Someone on Facebook had a comment about this, so I'll just leave my reply here:

So I hadn't heard about it until now either, but I think the lesson for the losing team is one of improvement. If they are that bad, I'm guessing they won't win a game. So do they just cancel the season? No- they have to start somewhere, and it looks like this is bottom. Next game when they score 10 points- improvement. 12 points? Improvement- yet still losing, but still hopefully on average improving. If you are in financial trouble, don't shy away from looking at your bank account. If you are overweight, get on a scale. Calling/cancelling the game or having the other team back off is just not what happens in life (though some days I wish it did).


When I was in high school, an opposing wrestling team in my conference (McMinnville HS in Oregon) did exactly that -- cancel the varsity season and just do a JV schedule. It's probably better experience for people at this skill level, whether in wrestling or basketball, to face only JV opponents. I can't see how you learn anything at all in a basketball game where the opponent is just blowing by you all the time. That was probably the thought process for McMinnville as well: how are any of us going to get better when none of us are lasting more than 30 seconds a match?

(I have no idea why, or if it's still the case, but McMinnville was an absolute laughingstock in every single sport, not just wrestling. It's a hick town and you'd think there would be some sturdy folks from all the hay-bucking and whatnot, but they could not compete in anything.)
 
2012-12-12 04:37:56 PM
You sound butthurt. Let me guess...UNC or UK?
 
2012-12-12 04:38:02 PM

Hilarity_N_Sues: Think I've told this before, but I was the team manager for my high school basketball team when they were a district powerhouse (and even won State a year or two after I graduated). As such, a good portion of our games got out of hand even with the coach clearing the bench and playing his scrubs for entire quarters, not actively trying to run up the score but at the same time realizing that it would be pointless for his guys to not actually, you know, play to score and stuff. Anyhow, his solution was to phone in scores that favored the other team a bit more. For example, we beat one team 59-9. That's right... nine points for the ENTIRE GAME. He phoned in a score of 59-31 to the league. Another time we won 111-33, he submitted a 91-40. Drove us nuts... especially me, since I was keeping these meticulous scorebooks which he freely threw out the window. Also not a little obnoxious to the other schools we were whooping up on... "there there, it's all right, I'll lie and say we didn't beat you that badly." *pat pat*

/marginally csb


My Jr year of HS we got beat by the defending state champs 68-0. At Homecoming.

What kind of dipshiat AD schedules the defending state champs for Homecoming.
 
2012-12-12 04:41:06 PM

Lligeret: STOP CODDLING ATHLETES.


Getting the snot kicked out of you SHOULD BE a good learning experience. You SHOULD improve from the experience. It is not suppose to be a lesson in whining and pointing fingers.

If you don't want to deal with competitive sports don't participate in them. Sometimes you are the one destroying the opponent sometimes your opponent is the one destroying you. It happens.


I agree. To a point. I just posted that my HS FB team got beat 68-0. The other team was playing 2nd string in the 3rd Q and 3rd string in the 4th. We were never upset with them. We sucked and were outmatched.

However, if you are still playing starters late in the game, or in this case, full court pressing late into the 3Q, then that's a douchebag move, and by that, I can't abide.
 
2012-12-12 04:44:56 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Just make it interesting
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Hmm... Bloomington South High School girls basketball team

You might reconsider after looking at the coach
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2012-12-12 04:45:19 PM

The Angry Hand of God: Because People in power are Stupid: Just make it interesting
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I like your style...and choice of porn.


Combining Ultimate Surrender and high school girls? Why don't you both have a seat over there...

/Giggity
 
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