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2012-12-12 10:34:23 AM
4 votes:
Calling it:

It will air on ABC Family as part of "25 Days of Christmas" within 5 years.

/suck it, George, you took the money
2012-12-12 11:03:29 AM
2 votes:

Silverstaff: The fact they salvaged it (at least partially) into canon/continuity by using Chewbaccas family in later novels (including Lumpy becoming pretty much the only wookiee Jedi) and by occasionally making mention of Life Day as a holiday was amazing, since Lucas said he would have loved to hunted down every copy in existence and smashed it. Well, that and the fact it was the first appearance of Boba Fett (albeit in a cartoon).


Lumpy didn't become a Jedi. That was Lumpy's cousin, Lowbacca.
2012-12-12 11:01:50 AM
2 votes:
And yet, it was highly anticipated. Back in the days before home video, the internet, misc. Back when you had to hope for a revival at the theater. And we knew we had to wait for a year and a half for the next installment (which was more bad-ass than we could have imagined). So remember that before you slag on it.

but, yeah, it sucks balls
2012-12-12 10:58:56 AM
2 votes:
I did a Star Wars marathon once and watched Eps 4, 5, and 6 as well as the Holiday Special in chronological order. I can now safely say, without a doubt, that the Holiday Special is the literally worst thing I have ever watched in my entire life, and I can never get that 1.5 hours back. Sad.
2012-12-12 10:51:58 AM
2 votes:
imgs.xkcd.com

"You think it's so legendarily bad that you'll torrent it and sit through it just for the kitschy nerd cred. I, too, once thought as you did."
-XKCD
2012-12-12 10:35:46 AM
2 votes:
The Holiday Special was something that we could all forget about that wasn't really "cannon." Episode I was "real." It was an episode of Star Wars, and we have to live with it forever. Advantage = holiday special.
2012-12-12 10:24:22 AM
2 votes:
i was 9 when this aired. i was in full-on star wars mania mode. my younger brother and i couldn't wait for it to be shown. finally, when it was, our collective reaction was much like ralphie parker's when he finds out his little orphan annie decoder ring was just a marketing gimmick. we were devastated. even at 8 and 9, we knew it was an unmitigated piece of shiat.

the boba fett cartoon was cool, though...
2012-12-12 10:19:39 AM
2 votes:

PacManDreaming: Sadly, I can remember watching this when it originally aired and thinking it was pretty good. Of course, I was only seven so that may have had something to do with me liking it.


You were seven and it was Star Wars, forgive yourself already....


Remember, without the Star Wars Holiday Special we wouldn't have Bobba Fett and if we didn't have Bobba Fett we wouldn't have Boobie Fett
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2012-12-12 04:27:01 PM
1 votes:

frepnog: NeoCortex42: frepnog: a discussion about the worst thing that ever came out of the star wars universe.

At least the Star Wars Holiday Special is well-known. It's not just bad, it's infamously terrible. The Ewok Adventures movies just kind of...exist. Nobody even gives a crap about those.

the Ewok things are bad, but they aren't torture to get thru. Hell, kids might even watch them. I just never really "got" the SW holiday special. Who thought that it was even remotely airable? Wht kid wanted to watch Bea Arthur warble thru a terrible song in a cantina? What kid cared if Art Carney sold crap in a galactic Dollar General? And who in the living shiat came up with the wookie family sitting around talking to each other with no interpretation whatsoever? Of all the turds that have passed thru the anus of Star Wars, the holiday special is certainly the most pungent.


The only possible explanation is that they were all REALLY REALLY high.
2012-12-12 02:33:15 PM
1 votes:

PizzaJedi81: NeoCortex42: Hawnkee: The Stealth Hippopotamus: NeoCortex42: At least the Star Wars Holiday Special is well-known. It's not just bad, it's infamously terrible. The Ewok Adventures movies just kind of...exist. Nobody even gives a crap about those.

Well, one person does.

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Close enough. Would yub nub for eating nuts in bed.

I'm still waiting for my Squirrel Girl movie. Come on Marvel, get on it!

Well, give it time. They have to set up Thanos as a legitimate threat, show that he truly is a galaxy destroyer...THEN have him get whomped by a girl whose power is talking to squirrels.


My dream movie troll moment would be if The Avengers 3 starts out with five minutes of normal Avengers material, then shifts to being a two-hour GLA movie, with absolutely no hints of it before the film opens.
2012-12-12 02:30:11 PM
1 votes:

NeoCortex42: Hawnkee: The Stealth Hippopotamus: NeoCortex42: At least the Star Wars Holiday Special is well-known. It's not just bad, it's infamously terrible. The Ewok Adventures movies just kind of...exist. Nobody even gives a crap about those.

Well, one person does.

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[media.comicvine.com image 300x683]

Close enough. Would yub nub for eating nuts in bed.

I'm still waiting for my Squirrel Girl movie. Come on Marvel, get on it!


Well, give it time. They have to set up Thanos as a legitimate threat, show that he truly is a galaxy destroyer...THEN have him get whomped by a girl whose power is talking to squirrels.
2012-12-12 12:54:06 PM
1 votes:
Yeah, yeah we've all heard how the Holiday Special is terrible and will never see the light of day, but what's this "Episode I?" There are only Episodes IV, V and VI.

I said THERE ARE ONLY EPISODES VI, V AND VI.
2012-12-12 12:33:03 PM
1 votes:

error 303: Mad_Radhu: PizzaJedi81: I'd dive into her Sarlacc Pit, if ya know what I mean, and I think you do.

I'd hit her in the small thermal exhaust port, right below the main port.

That's impossible, even for a computer.


It's not impossible. I used to brown eye hood rats in my T-bird back home, they're not much sluttier than her.
2012-12-12 12:32:10 PM
1 votes:

NeoCortex42: Has there been any update on Lucas' plan for a new live-action television series since the Disney deal. Judging by Disney's enthusiasm over a movie or two every year, I would think they would fast-track any television idea and put it on ABC.


Dude, it's been what, a month or so? It takes longer than that to get something moving. Even if there's word of something in the works, it takes time to get actual motion.

Personally, I doubt we'll hear much about much of anything resulting from the purchase until late next year.
2012-12-12 12:31:12 PM
1 votes:
The worst thing about the holiday special is that it is longer than any of the movies. Someone needs to edit it into a decent 30 minute show.
2012-12-12 12:30:13 PM
1 votes:

Silverstaff: NeoCortex42: I'm not sure on some of the details of the Disney deal. Does Disney now own the distribution rights for the existing movies and the Holiday Special? Or are the movies still the property of Fox, and the TV properties (Holiday Special, Ewok movies, Droids, etc), still owned by their respective networks? I thought Disney only owns the rights to the Star Wars IP, not the existing media.

My understanding of the deal is that Disney owns everything LucasFilm owns.

The only thing that LucasFilm does NOT own is the distribution rights to Episode IV, that's FOX.

Since LucasFilm was built on the steal of a deal that GL made with FOX back in '77. In exchange for waiving any pay or compensation for making Star Wars, he got complete spin-off, merchandising, and sequel rights in perpetuity. FOX would have the complete rights to distribute the actual "Star Wars" film itself.

Every time A New Hope is re-released, it's by FOX and LucasFilm jointly, because LFL can't release it on its own. Everything else is pure Lucas.

At the time, FOX thought it was an incredible deal, because they were getting the movie made without having to pay the director. They figured he might sell a few T-shirts or something, but movie merchandising and spinoff/sequel rights were just plain not highly regarded in the mid 70's.


Okay, that makes sense.

Has there been any update on Lucas' plan for a new live-action television series since the Disney deal. Judging by Disney's enthusiasm over a movie or two every year, I would think they would fast-track any television idea and put it on ABC.
2012-12-12 12:29:10 PM
1 votes:

Mad_Radhu: PizzaJedi81: I'd dive into her Sarlacc Pit, if ya know what I mean, and I think you do.

I'd hit her in the small thermal exhaust port, right below the main port.


That's impossible, even for a computer.
2012-12-12 12:27:23 PM
1 votes:

Silverstaff: At the time, FOX thought it was an incredible deal, because they were getting the movie made without having to pay the director. They figured he might sell a few T-shirts or something, but movie merchandising and spinoff/sequel rights were just plain not highly regarded in the mid 70's.


That deal is probably the one that made studios sit up and take notice of sequel and merchandise rights. Heck, nowadays merchandising is probably worth more than the regular box office take if there's a sufficient tie in with kids' toys (exhibit A: Cars).
2012-12-12 12:18:15 PM
1 votes:

frepnog: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Welcome to Fark

oh my god. now imma have nightmares.

/thanks, dude, that was brilliant, and you owe me a keyboard.


I know. I was looking for one that I made when I came across that jewel. Sooo perfect

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2012-12-12 12:16:35 PM
1 votes:

Hyatus: I would rather watch 5 hours of intergalactic political sessions than sit through 10 minutes of unsubtitled wookie Life Day celebrations.


5 hours of intergalactic political sessions?

Episode I the super-extended cut, now with a Trade Federation filibuster?
2012-12-12 12:14:06 PM
1 votes:

NeoCortex42: frepnog: a discussion about the worst thing that ever came out of the star wars universe.

At least the Star Wars Holiday Special is well-known. It's not just bad, it's infamously terrible. The Ewok Adventures movies just kind of...exist. Nobody even gives a crap about those.


the Ewok things are bad, but they aren't torture to get thru. Hell, kids might even watch them. I just never really "got" the SW holiday special. Who thought that it was even remotely airable? Wht kid wanted to watch Bea Arthur warble thru a terrible song in a cantina? What kid cared if Art Carney sold crap in a galactic Dollar General? And who in the living shiat came up with the wookie family sitting around talking to each other with no interpretation whatsoever? Of all the turds that have passed thru the anus of Star Wars, the holiday special is certainly the most pungent.
2012-12-12 12:13:51 PM
1 votes:

NeoCortex42: At least the Star Wars Holiday Special is well-known. It's not just bad, it's infamously terrible. The Ewok Adventures movies just kind of...exist. Nobody even gives a crap about those.


Well, one person does.

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2012-12-12 12:03:55 PM
1 votes:
I remember watching it on TV when is aired. I was 10 and anything Star Wars was worth killing for. I remember having to watch this on a 13" with broken rabbit ears so the picture was snowy. I remember thinking in my 10 year old brain "WTF is this schitt?" Other than that the cartoon was cool.
2012-12-12 12:02:36 PM
1 votes:

Uzzah: Pants full of macaroni!!: Fighting the Frizzies at 11.

Heh.

OtherLittleGuy: Calling it:

It will air on ABC Family as part of "25 Days of Christmas" within 5 years.

/suck it, George, you took the money

This ... is actually a pretty good prediction. I'd never really thought about it, but with Lucas out of the way, the odds of getting things that SW fans have always wanted (and Lucas never wanted) -- a good DVD transfer of the non-SE original films, a release of the Holiday Special, etc. -- is higher than it's ever been.


I'm not sure on some of the details of the Disney deal. Does Disney now own the distribution rights for the existing movies and the Holiday Special? Or are the movies still the property of Fox, and the TV properties (Holiday Special, Ewok movies, Droids, etc), still owned by their respective networks? I thought Disney only owns the rights to the Star Wars IP, not the existing media.
2012-12-12 12:00:36 PM
1 votes:

PizzaJedi81: The Stealth Hippopotamus: PizzaJedi81: I'd make her join the Dark Side, if ya know what I mean, and I think you do.

IYKWIMAITYD

That doesn't spell anything! I hate when I dont get the joke....

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I'd hold her like I did by the lake on Naboo, if ya know what I mean, and I think you do.

/she's into handcuffs, ya dig?


just because i am far more interested in stories about when you may have or may have not first seen the SWHS and not so interested this morn is SW cheesecake shots, can we get off of the "i'd hit it" stuff and talk about the special? just saying, I can google "slut dressed as Padme" all day but I don't often get to have a discussion about the worst thing that ever came out of the star wars universe.

/yeah, I am a giant dick, my name might as well be Scott.
2012-12-12 11:57:46 AM
1 votes:

Uzzah: Pants full of macaroni!!: Fighting the Frizzies at 11.

Heh.

OtherLittleGuy: Calling it:

It will air on ABC Family as part of "25 Days of Christmas" within 5 years.

/suck it, George, you took the money

This ... is actually a pretty good prediction. I'd never really thought about it, but with Lucas out of the way, the odds of getting things that SW fans have always wanted (and Lucas never wanted) -- a good DVD transfer of the non-SE original films, a release of the Holiday Special, etc. -- is higher than it's ever been.


he will never let that thing out of the vault. guaranteed. i would wager that an original broadcast print doesn't even exist any longer.
2012-12-12 11:55:45 AM
1 votes:

Pants full of macaroni!!: Fighting the Frizzies at 11.


Heh.

OtherLittleGuy: Calling it:

It will air on ABC Family as part of "25 Days of Christmas" within 5 years.

/suck it, George, you took the money


This ... is actually a pretty good prediction. I'd never really thought about it, but with Lucas out of the way, the odds of getting things that SW fans have always wanted (and Lucas never wanted) -- a good DVD transfer of the non-SE original films, a release of the Holiday Special, etc. -- is higher than it's ever been.
2012-12-12 11:52:31 AM
1 votes:

PizzaJedi81: I'd make her see space angels, if ya know what I mean, and I think you do.


NOPE. i'm trying here! but still dont get it....

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2012-12-12 11:40:48 AM
1 votes:
WhippingBoy:
Mark Hamill's appearance on the Muppet Show.

Dude that's still fun to watch. Hamill is a pretty cool guy and, it seems, always has been.
2012-12-12 11:25:47 AM
1 votes:

flaminio: Is it Life Day already? My how the time flies...


Yes it is. And as a special bonus, Bioware put out LIfe Day items in their pay to play market for SWTOR that are just god awful corny, just like the Holiday Special.
2012-12-12 11:20:48 AM
1 votes:
I gladly watch it to see coked out Carrie Fisher, and imagine the possibilities backstage...
2012-12-12 11:20:14 AM
1 votes:

zerkalo: And yet, it was highly anticipated. Back in the days before home video, the internet, misc. Back when you had to hope for a revival at the theater. And we knew we had to wait for a year and a half for the next installment (which was more bad-ass than we could have imagined). So remember that before you slag on it.

but, yeah, it sucks balls


Before the internet, I had started to think that the Star Wars Holiday Special didn't really exist, and that I had imagined the whole thing as a child (I think nobody mentioned it out of embarrassment), so it was kind of nice to find out that I wasn't crazy.
2012-12-12 11:20:14 AM
1 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: stuhayes2010: Rocky Horrow is in the So Bad it's good zone?

yes, yes it is.

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Ah, Sara Jean Underwood. I fell in love with her in her first Playboy appearance, which was a college girl issue - Girls of the Pac-something-or-other (I don't know NCAA conferences). Then she became a playmate and got fake boobs. Aftermarket boobs are a bit of a deal-killer for me.

I'm sure she's heartbroken about this.
2012-12-12 11:15:20 AM
1 votes:

stuhayes2010: dragonchild: [imgs.xkcd.com image 631x590]

"You think it's so legendarily bad that you'll torrent it and sit through it just for the kitschy nerd cred. I, too, once thought as you did."
-XKCD

Rocky Horrow is in the So Bad it's good zone?


rocky horror is not genuinely bad. it is pretty damned good up until the ending (when the film falls apart). but tim curry is amazing in that film.

and this is from someone that truly hated that movie and didn't appreciate its awesomeness until far into adult-hood.
2012-12-12 11:15:19 AM
1 votes:
2012-12-12 11:11:35 AM
1 votes:
I actually remember seeing this when it aired (I was three), but it never aired again and the memory got so distant I thought I dreamed it. I only recalled a few bits, one where the wookies are walking toward a tree in ceremonial garb and one where Han gets into a brief struggle with a stormtrooper. Years go by and I asked many friends if they knew about a Star Wars episode that only played on television and they all gave me puzzled looks, which reinforced my idea that I dreamed up the whole thing. Then the internet came, and I finally got to a chance to watch what was largely erased from my brain. I was thrilled to see what I had been missing all those years, like I had just found a treasure that has been buried for over a millenia. And then I clicked the play button....

I've only seen the Phantom Menace once, but I'll watch it a hundred more times before I ever lay eyes on the Holiday Special again.
2012-12-12 11:06:00 AM
1 votes:
No. Episode I is better than the Holiday Special. Episode I had Darth Maul and "Duel of the Fates", which is still an awesome action piece in Star Wars canon.
2012-12-12 11:04:43 AM
1 votes:

Silverstaff: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Ok, I get the hate for Episode 1, hell I share it. But it is no where never as bad as the Holiday Special!



Agreed.

Episode I was the weakest of the series, but not anywhere near as bad as some people make it out to be.

The Holiday Special? OMG. That was awful.

A thin excuse for a Star Wars-themed variety show with a little recycled footage from the first movie, lengthy segments of a Wookiee family together in a living room talking (without subtitles).

Star Wars ANYTHING starring Bea Arthur and Art Carney should be a warning.

The fact they salvaged it (at least partially) into canon/continuity by using Chewbaccas family in later novels (including Lumpy becoming pretty much the only wookiee Jedi) and by occasionally making mention of Life Day as a holiday was amazing, since Lucas said he would have loved to hunted down every copy in existence and smashed it. Well, that and the fact it was the first appearance of Boba Fett (albeit in a cartoon).


As bad as Episode I was, The Phantom Edit showed that there was at least a decent movie contained within what was released. I don't think there's any way the Holiday Special could be similarly salvaged. Although I'd love to see someone try.
2012-12-12 10:52:16 AM
1 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Ok, I get the hate for Episode 1, hell I share it. But it is no where never as bad as the Holiday Special!



Agreed.

Episode I was the weakest of the series, but not anywhere near as bad as some people make it out to be.

The Holiday Special? OMG. That was awful.

A thin excuse for a Star Wars-themed variety show with a little recycled footage from the first movie, lengthy segments of a Wookiee family together in a living room talking (without subtitles).

Star Wars ANYTHING starring Bea Arthur and Art Carney should be a warning.

The fact they salvaged it (at least partially) into canon/continuity by using Chewbaccas family in later novels (including Lumpy becoming pretty much the only wookiee Jedi) and by occasionally making mention of Life Day as a holiday was amazing, since Lucas said he would have loved to hunted down every copy in existence and smashed it. Well, that and the fact it was the first appearance of Boba Fett (albeit in a cartoon).
2012-12-12 10:52:05 AM
1 votes:

tamsnod27: NeoCortex42: The Gentleman Caller: I can only watch this with rifftrax. And I want that wookie kid as a fireplace rug, I hate his voice so much.

I've seen the Holiday Special once, a couple years ago, without the use of RiffTrax. Does the RiffTrax make it worth watching again, or is there no saving the Holiday Special?

Well, if you enjoy seeing your favorites from the movies , high on any number of substances, which given the content, I see why they were high. Pretty cringe-worthy, with a few laughs. Don't get the hate, it's pretty meh for the 70's.


i'll be honest. even with the rifftrax it is hard to watch (and let's be honest - it isn't like the rifftrax are all THAT funny anyway. They are just WAYYY too tame). there are moments of hilarity but then there are like 10-15 minutes of eye gouging horror.

It is truly, truly terrible.
2012-12-12 10:46:10 AM
1 votes:

PacManDreaming: Sadly, I can remember watching this when it originally aired and thinking it was pretty good. Of course, I was only seven so that may have had something to do with me liking it.


Yeah. To a seven year old still high from Star Wars, it was awesome. As was Mark Hamill's appearance on the Muppet Show.
2012-12-12 10:45:57 AM
1 votes:

ambassador_ahab: The Holiday Special was something that we could all forget about that wasn't really "cannon." Episode I was "real." It was an episode of Star Wars, and we have to live with it forever. Advantage = holiday special.


thecommoner.kingsjournalism.com
2012-12-12 10:43:33 AM
1 votes:
I've got a copy. I force my family to watch it every year after Thanksgiving dinner. We see how far we can get.

This year we barely got through the opening credits. I was disappoint.
2012-12-12 10:41:18 AM
1 votes:

FlashHarry: the boba fett cartoon was cool, though...


And is the only part not spit on by Lucasfilm. Seriously, it's even on the Blu-ray set.
2012-12-12 10:36:12 AM
1 votes:

NeoCortex42: The Gentleman Caller: I can only watch this with rifftrax. And I want that wookie kid as a fireplace rug, I hate his voice so much.

I've seen the Holiday Special once, a couple years ago, without the use of RiffTrax. Does the RiffTrax make it worth watching again, or is there no saving the Holiday Special?


Well, if you enjoy seeing your favorites from the movies , high on any number of substances, which given the content, I see why they were high. Pretty cringe-worthy, with a few laughs. Don't get the hate, it's pretty meh for the 70's.
2012-12-12 10:34:04 AM
1 votes:
And, people say the War on Christmas doesn't exist.
2012-12-12 10:29:57 AM
1 votes:

The Gentleman Caller: I can only watch this with rifftrax. And I want that wookie kid as a fireplace rug, I hate his voice so much.


I've seen the Holiday Special once, a couple years ago, without the use of RiffTrax. Does the RiffTrax make it worth watching again, or is there no saving the Holiday Special?
2012-12-12 10:26:21 AM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2012-12-12 10:23:36 AM
1 votes:

PacManDreaming: Sadly, I can remember watching this when it originally aired and thinking it was pretty good. Of course, I was only seven so that may have had something to do with me liking it.


I remember watching it. And I was eight.

/the horror we remember from our childhood
2012-12-12 10:23:03 AM
1 votes:
I can only watch this with rifftrax. And I want that wookie kid as a fireplace rug, I hate his voice so much.
2012-12-12 10:10:27 AM
1 votes:
Ok, I get the hate for Episode 1, hell I share it. But it is no where never as bad as the Holiday Special!

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/why the picture?
/why not?
2012-12-12 10:06:33 AM
1 votes:
I guess we just have to do this every year now. Thanks for this unique story that is in no way duplicated by dozens of other "indie" outlets, AV Club.
 
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