If it's pro-life, shouldn't it say, "Choose life or else we will shoot you"?

I'm not sure if it's still available here but my sister got this plate:

 

It was actually a plate sponsored and designed by Planned Parenthood.

If you are against abortion - Simply, DON'T HAVE A FARKIN' ABORTION!

Of course, since you will also find the majority of these "pro-life" types are white, middle-aged men, the REAL reason is they have an intense desire to control the sex lives of those uppity women, who according to them should be brood mares for their god. It's zero to do with compassion for the 'poor l'i'l babies.

You'll probably find that a vast majority of 'pro-lifers' tend to be the retrograde types that are against a social safety net for the children of unwed mothers, cheering for war and the death penalty, and against gun control, praise the lord jesus for ever 'n' ever 'n' ever AHHH-MEN!!!

Lumpmoose: kid_icarus: But doesn't "Choose Life" imply a choice so is therefore somewhat...pro-choice?

/devils advocate
//ducks and runs

If the pro-life side used their time, resources and spiritual clout to convince people to choose adoption, promote women's health and educate about contraceptives--rather than merely attempt to ban abortion--they'd prevent many, MANY more abortions than they are now. Under that scenario, a "Choose Life" slogan would be honest and respectable.

But they'd rather control the sex lives of women, so here we are.

"Choose Life!"

Your choices are:

A. Life
B. Jail

But doesn't "Choose Life" imply a choice so is therefore somewhat...pro-choice?

/devils advocate
//ducks and runs

Abortion statistics:

" If current rates continue, it is estimated that 35% of all women of reproductive age in America today will have had an abortion by the time they reach the age of 45.3"

and

"Women who obtain abortions represent every religious affiliation. 13% of abortion patients describe themselves as born-again or Evangelical Christians; while 22% of U.S. women are Catholic, 27% of abortion patients say they are Catholics."

TwistedIvory: Choose life. But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life: I chose something else.

You still have made a choice.

/ You can choose from Phantom Fears and Kindness that can kill...

// Sorry, was just over in the R&RHOF thread.

The stupid part is "pro-choice" is not "pro-death"

kid_icarus: Lumpmoose: But they'd rather control the sex lives of women, so here we are.

"Choose Life!"

Your choices are:

A. Life
B. Jail
C. Death.
D. Snu-snu.

I know others have said this, but isn't "Choose Life" a pro-choice statement? I think a pro-life statement would have to be something like "Force Life"?

We went through this in Georgia recently. It all started with a license plate redesign that included a space for a phrase. Of course as soon as you do that every special interest group wants a taste.

I never thought I would be nostalgic for the days when a license plate just had your license plate number on it. It's not a t-shirt with a snarky saying on it.

reillan: [www.oktax.state.ok.us image 340x162]

hope we're next...

I don't miss Oklahoma at all.

\all my Oklahoma family is just as liberal-minded as me
\\but they'd never in a million years advertise their opinions via their cars
\\\would lead to slashed tires and keyed paint jobs

Being pro-choice and living in Roanoke, VA, I don't think I'd put a "Respect Choice" plate on my car........unless I want a key or two dragged across the paint.

how about "Please choose to key my car because I am a self righteous douche"

TwistedIvory: Choose life. But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life: I chose something else.

If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

drxym: The stupid part is "pro-choice" is not "pro-death"

No, the stupid part is that North Carolina altered its Constitution to deny the civil rights of a select few of its citizens and they called it a choice.

/On behalf of those many North Carolinians who voted against the gay marriage ban, I would like to apologize for the stupidity of our very inbred state legislature.
//My state is lovely, but Raleigh really should be nuked from orbit.
///Only way to be sure.

Flakeloaf: Why is a state-run agency using tax money to express an opinion, anyway? It would be different if abortion were illegal in NC because at least then there'd be some kind of backup.

In before "it's totally an expression of the sanctity of life and the rejection of all violence against your fellow man, maaaaan"



What a state-run (well, District-run) agency using tax money to express an opinion may look like.

Choose Life is now a hateful thing?

I believe you're so f*cked up in your head you can add two and two and get ObamaPotatoes™

The only specialty plate that's useful is the 'Organ Donor' plate.
Lets the ambulance drivers know to keep that heart pumpin', at least til they reach the hospital.

/Tho I suppose someone in need of a transplant might try to run you off the road...
"Hey, You - What's your blood type?... Really?..." *crash*

letrole: "Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated."
-- Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood

"I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And in as much as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."
-- Abraham Lincoln

People can be wrong about things and still do good.

Even With A Chainsaw: Zasteva: Rufus Lee King: "This is a great victory for the free speech rights of all North Carolinians.", said Chris Brook of the ACLU.

Rufus Lee King: Really? How does that follow? People have the right to free expression until someone says something that you don't agree with?

Perhaps you missed the part in the article where North Carolina rejected the "Respect Choice" license plate.

That means that the state is supporting you in expressing a Pro-Life point of view, but denying you a similar expression of a Pro-Choice point of view.

The judicial order requires the state to either allow both, or deny both, but not promote one view over the other.

That's all well and good in any argument that only has two sides. Choose Heads or Tails.

Even if they print Choose Life plates and Respect Choice plates, my views are being oppressed if I believe any of the following:

Choose Life except in the case that the mother's life is in danger, then kill that babby.
Choose Life except in cases of danger to mother/rape/incest, then kill babby.
Choose Life except in cases of birf defects/danger to mother/rape/incest, then kill babby
Respect Choice unless in last trimester, then save clump of cells.
Respect Choice unless in last two trimesters, then save clump of cells.
Respect Choice, but institute programs to make potential mothers aware of alternatives
Respect Choice, but force women to undergo transvaginal ultrasounds, so they can see their clump.
Etc...

Is it the state's responsibility to print all of those plates?
Seems silly. 

This isn't about freedom of speech, this is about someone getting their panties in a bunch, which any of us could theoretically do if we can't get a license plate that says whatever our precious little snowflake minds can think up.

Yes. If the state is going to sponsor political speech, it has to sponsor all or nothing. That's why NC is stupid for doing this in the first place. Mass. has the right idea, you can have whatever stupid plate you want if you can get $100,000.00 to fund a bond for it.

The people with their panties in a bunch are the assholes who feel that everyone who drives behind them needs to know their political opinions.

Even With A Chainsaw: This isn't about freedom of speech, this is about someone getting their panties in a bunch, which any of us could theoretically do if we can't get a license plate that says whatever our precious little snowflake minds can think up.

I remember around 2000, when a judge ordered the state of Missouri to permit the KKK to participate in its "adopt a highway" program on the same basic rationale of this case--i.e., no viewpoint discrimination when the government creates a forum for political speech. Even though the ruling was a victory for the conservative racial point of view, progressives celebrated it as a victory for what should be the universal value of free speech.

Today, by contrast, when a judge orders a state to permit a dissenting view from the government's officially anti-choice stance, do conservatives celebrate a victory for free speech?

Of course not. This is America, after all. Instead they whine about how persecuted they are, and claim 1st Amendment supporters have their "panties in a bunch."

Yup. Actually looked it up, now. The Planned Parenthood VA plate is still available but apparently only if you know to ask for it at the counter.

Pincy: KatjaMouse: I'm not sure if it's still available here but my sister got this plate:

[www.plannedparenthood.org image 315x163] 

It was actually a plate sponsored and designed by Planned Parenthood.

Wow, in Virginia even? How the hell did that see the light of day?

Planned Parenthood generated enough signatures and donations to qualify and when the plate was approved most of the people who pledged money for the effort went down to the DMV and got it. Then there was a crap ton of backlash and I've never seen the plate on display in the DMV lobby since so I don't know if it is still available. If it turns out it is I think I'll get it.

Diogenes: Yeah, I was thinking of a good counter proposal to the Choose Life plates we have here in FL. "Kill More Babies" seemed a bit too over the top. But I think your "Eat The Kids First" idea has legs. Delicious, tender, young legs.

Now, now, there's no need to focus on the youngest of the lot!

Even by Jonathan Swift's time, the use of the "digestor" (what we now call a pressure cooker) which could render even the wiriest teen delectable, was widely known:

by which the hardest bones of beef itself, and mutton, were made as soft as cheese, without water or other liquor, and with less than eight ounces of coals, producing an incredible quantity of gravy; and for close of all, a jelly made of the bones of beef, the best for clearness and good relish, and the most delicious that I had ever seen, or tasted.

Waste not, want not!

Netrngr: Pincy: Hoblit: I don't get it. I'm pro-choice (I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mind)

I would still encourage choosing life whenever possible and the plate references that choice. It doesn't say PRO Life, it says CHOOSE life. Simply an encouraging statement. Shouldn't we choose life whenever possible and encourage (not force) those of around us to do the same?

I really think it is a lot to do over nothing.

I'm guessing you also think the Confederate flag doesn't represent racism?

And im guessing the better part of you made a stain on the back seat of a cheap used import.

In other words, "yes".

reillan: [www.oktax.state.ok.us image 340x162]

hope we're next...

Anything to promote Sampo ownership. As long as I get one.

Can we please stop the license plate insanity now? How about... each state has one license plate. No choices, no special interests, just pay your registration fee and GTFO.

Also, can someone please register a "Choose Life" plate so that it suggest life without parole, life sentence, life boats, life savers, life of pi, life insurance, etc?

Choose Life
SAVERS

seems like a winner to me.

Hoblit: I don't get it. I'm pro-choice (I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mind)

I would still encourage choosing life whenever possible and the plate references that choice. It doesn't say PRO Life, it says CHOOSE life. Simply an encouraging statement. Shouldn't we choose life whenever possible and encourage (not force) those of around us to do the same?

I really think it is a lot to do over nothing.

I'm guessing you also think the Confederate flag doesn't represent racism?

Maybe the following license plate caption could get the point across to those who are wondering why it is wrong to portray just one side of a controversial opinion:

VOTE DEMOCRAT

But provide no option for any other party. I am sure no one would have any issue with that, right?

Somacandra: URAPNIS: We have Helping Schools tags. Should we also have fark The Schools tags?

There are support wilderness plates and university sports teams plates--so that a chunk of that money goes to support state education and natural resource management. Schools are public institutions. I don't have a problem with adopting a plate to raise money for a public institution. Political messages are different it seems.

Bingo.

ISO15693: [www.coastal.ca.gov image 247x124]

There isnt a "Pollute our coast and oceans" alternative.



Sure there is.

Massachusetts of all places has these.



According to Google:
Legislative approval is not required in Massachusetts to create specialty tags. Any registered charitable organization can get a special license plate so long as they collect applications and fees from at least 1,500 drivers who want the plates and post a $100,000 bond to guard the state against loss. The bond is returned if more than 3,000 of the plates sell within two years.

I should create a Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster charity solely to get a license plate.

this country is heading in the shiatter faster than a rabbit gets farked.

Rufus Lee King: "This is a great victory for the free speech rights of all North Carolinians.", said Chris Brook of the ACLU.

Really? How does that follow? People have the right to free expression until someone says something that you don't agree with?

Straw man or genuine inability to understand? Hard to say. For the sake of argument I'll assume you're genuine confused.

NC can issue pro-life plates if they ALSO issue pro-choice plates. They can offer both, or neither. What they cannot do is offer ONLY plates that support one point of view.

Does that help any?

ruinevil: This is why General Sherman didn't burn North Carolina, because they are relatively sensible.

A little factoid that gets lost in Sherman's fame: The Union army burned plantations homes, whole towns, destroyed rail lines and factories and crops from Virginia to Louisiana. Georgia was the life line of the Confederate army and the South's industrial/commercial center, so Sherman's orders were to inflict as much damage to it as possible. He burned a lot, but not everything, as inaccurate history sometimes claims.

I guess

"Kiss the ass of the hairy dead Armenian carpenter that did parlor tricks or you will burn in eternal damnation fire and brimstone you heathen scum"
didn't quite fit on their plates in the state where Government IS religion.

Farkin snake kissing toothless bible thumping hickabilies.
They make Pakastanis look somewhat advanced.

YodaBlues: TwistedIvory: Choose life. But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life: I chose something else.

If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

My license plate reads "1001001-SOS."

Dexaan: I'm a lich and I'm offended they don't have a "Choose Undeath" option.

You're a lich? Awesome! How did you manage that? Did you find the Head of Vecna?

ruinevil: This is why General Sherman didn't burn North Carolina, because they are relatively sensible.

No, he was just partial to the barbecue. They are just as messed up as the rest of the South.

WhoopAssWayne: The crackpot liberal freeloaders are more than happy to take away someone else's free speech rights.

It is long past time we re-establish free religious speech in this country. In church. In schools. In public. The liberals have been chipping away at this basic human right for years and now we've reached this ridiculous and sad point. Free speech for them, government censored speech for anyone else.

Demand your basic free speech rights!

Stand up in your church and call out crooked politicians by name. Wear anti-abortion and scripture related clothing to your school and in public. This is your fundamental, constitutionally protected, basic human right and it must not be hasn't been abridged by these extremist liberal crackpots.

Fixed that for you.

/Who's a cute liddle troll, who is? Yes you are, awww

BunkoSquad: I want a "Choose The Form of Your Destructor" license plate.

[www.x-entertainment.com image 686x359]

Empty your heads. Don't think of anything. We've only got one shot at this.

Rufus Lee King: "This is a great victory for the free speech rights of all North Carolinians.", said Chris Brook of the ACLU.

Really? How does that follow? People have the right to free expression until someone says something that you don't agree with?

I like how people with a conservative christian point of view think that "free speech" means the right to make the government espouse their own particular worldview. It's really neither a conservative nor a christian opinion.

You can have a point of view without also making the government all the time parrot that point of view. (Or maybe you so lack confidence in your own beliefs that they will wither away and die if you can't force the government to put them on a license plate: "I was going to keep that baby, but the slogan on my license plate is content neutral, so I aborted it.").

Virginia has a 'Trust Women' pro-choice plate. I thought it was nice, kind of like saying "It's okay, guys, I have a uterus and I know what I'm doing here, if I can be a good mom, I'll have the kid, but if not, you have to trust me. I've got this one."

Of course, being a contentious issue, I was hesitant. Sure, I know how to buff out a scratch, but you can only fix paint so many times.

But then I saw that they had one with a kitty and a doggie on it that benefits animal shelters, so that's what I wound up picking for the station wagon, my husband chose one of the general-aviation ones with an airplane on it for the coupe and the minivan got an alumni-association plate with our college logo. Nobody objects to animals, airplanes or to your alumni plate (unless you went to Penn State, which we didn't, and that's kind of blown over...or Duke...) and if I really need street cred at some kind of vehicular abortion debate, I can always impale a foam-rubber fetus on the antenna I fixed with a coat hanger and carry on about my day.

Rufus Lee King: "This is a great victory for the free speech rights of all North Carolinians.", said Chris Brook of the ACLU.

Really? How does that follow? People have the right to free expression until someone says something that you don't agree with?

[www.anunews.net image 300x262]

Not exactly. The "someone" in this context is "the state government," which is not a "someone" at all.

Pincy: DubyaHater: Being pro-choice and living in Roanoke, VA, I don't think I'd put a "Respect Choice" plate on my car........unless I want a key or two dragged across the paint.

Every time my car gets keyed I key two pro-life cars. That'll teach 'em.

I would just get my girlfriend pregnant, get an ultrasound, take her to the abortion clinic and then write letters letting all the local churches know what we did and include a copy of the ultrasound with the caption "This is YOUR fault!"

Lumpmoose: If the pro-life side used their time, resources and spiritual clout to convince people to choose adoption, promote women's health and educate about contraceptives--rather than merely attempt to ban abortion--they'd prevent many, MANY more abortions than they are now. Under that scenario, a "Choose Life" slogan would be honest and respectable.

Bonus: The anti-choicers are often against adoption (those poor kids might be given to a dirty gay person, or worse, two dirty gay people) and always against health care (so many socialisms) and contraception (it's abstinence or nothing!). I really have no idea where they expect all these extra children to go. Soylent Green factories, perhaps?

/[george_carlin.jpg]
//I know that you know this already, just biatching for the sake of biatching.

Don't they understand that the only thing that should go on your state issued license plate is the college you attended, the military branch you served in, and the fact you support shelter animals/breast cancer/girl scouts/state parks, or the local professional sports team?

AngryTeacher: So I did some looking... Ohio has two Choose Life plates and no alternative. They are considered to be pro-adoption plates, not pro-life plates.

We also have the obligitory "In God We Trust" plate.

Colorado has the "Respect life" but they aren't meant to be pro-life. Super double pinky swear!



Columbine Plate

This plate memorializing the victims and survivors of the 1999 shooting at Columbine High School is currently one of the most popular in the state. It features a columbine flower (the state flower) and the phrase "Respect Life" on a detailed mountain backdrop. There is a one-time fee of $50 for the plate, in addition to standard registration and license fees.

/pretty good front actually.

Diogenes: CapeFearCadaver: Diogenes: But one serious idea I had for a counter was "Choose Choice".

In NC, they had proposed "Respect Choice" as a counter opinion plate.

I'd rather not allow any of them, period. Put a bumper sticker on your car, State issued anything has no business pushing any side of this mess or any other hot-button topic.

Seriously. I'm not one for label activism in the first place. But making my car a target just seems stupid, beyond being a shallow expression.

I mostly agree (don't even have bumper stickers for that reason) but NY has had a couple of basically neutral plates I liked - one for the Lilac festival (Rochester influenced, LOVE that festival) and I think there was one with a bird or something where the money went to wetlands conservation. IIRC there's also one with a sailboat but I think it's just something for the people who like boating, as I don't recall any special significance.

sweetmelissa31: reillan: [www.oktax.state.ok.us image 340x162]

hope we're next...

Did they get an aborted fetus to design that plate?

Its nearly the same as the Mississippi one, designed by idiots....for idiots. You know they wont give it up unless the South is burnt to the ground again.

So pray for it to happen soon.

/Why yes I am currently in the South, why do you ask?

Teknowaffle: [www.funnysigns.net image 400x269]

They already have that one in Va.

Hell yes. I wish I'd seen this one.

/from VA
//i think those 'kids first' plates are retarded...along with the little stickers they put to indicate how many minions they own.

So I did some looking... Ohio has two Choose Life plates and no alternative. They are considered to be pro-adoption plates, not pro-life plates.

We also have the obligitory "In God We Trust" plate.

"Choose Death" would be great. It's easier to work with than "Save The Planet: Kill Yourself."

How about CHOOSE HEROIN

TwistedIvory: Choose life. But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life: I chose something else.

If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.

drxym: The stupid part is "pro-choice" is not "pro-death"

If they had a Pro-Death license plate in VA, I'd be on it in a stilled heartbeat. I hate those damn Neon Yellow cheese tags for the Pro-Birthers.

We have Helping Schools tags. Should we also have fark The Schools tags?

Choose Death is so metal.