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(Salon)   A federal judged has banned North Carolina from issuing "Choose Life" license plates unless they offer a "Choose Death" alternative   (salon.com) divider line 285
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2012-12-12 09:36:53 AM
Good, maybe that will affect all of the bible thumper states.
 
2012-12-12 09:42:46 AM
I think it's nice they want to support gay rights.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-12 09:43:54 AM
Photoshop contest? Or did we already have one?
 
2012-12-12 09:45:12 AM
Can I just say, as a feminist and mother, I'm still mildly annoyed they revoked that Eat The Kids First plate.
 
2012-12-12 09:46:22 AM
Choose life. But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life: I chose something else.
 
2012-12-12 09:48:52 AM
If it's pro-life, shouldn't it say, "Choose life or else we will shoot you"?
 
2012-12-12 09:50:35 AM
I want a "Choose The Form of Your Destructor" license plate.

www.x-entertainment.com
 
2012-12-12 09:50:47 AM

Sybarite: I think it's nice they want to support gay rights.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 650x617]


Get a load of this guy, he thinks George Michael is gay . LOL. Do you remember all the super models in that one video of his? He is all about pussy. I'll just Google him right now to see what piece of ass he's banging.....oh. Oh God. Oh dear God and Baby Jesus.....
 
2012-12-12 09:51:16 AM

God Is My Co-Pirate: Can I just say, as a feminist and mother, I'm still mildly annoyed they revoked that Eat The Kids First plate.


Yeah, I was thinking of a good counter proposal to the Choose Life plates we have here in FL. "Kill More Babies" seemed a bit too over the top. But I think your "Eat The Kids First" idea has legs. Delicious, tender, young legs.

But one serious idea I had for a counter was "Choose Choice".
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-12 09:53:24 AM
I would think a choose death license plate would do will in the bible belt, as long as they though it referred to war, the second amendment, the death penalty, black people, Muslims, liberals, Mexicans, the French, Gays, union members, the UN, Anyone who doesn't like Israel, Jews, Mormons*, Europeans or Asians. And probably some more that I forgot.

(*Temporarily acceptable)
 
2012-12-12 10:07:50 AM
www.funnysigns.net

They already have that one in Va.
 
2012-12-12 10:15:02 AM
'Choosy Moms Choose Choice'
 
2012-12-12 10:26:27 AM
image.spreadshirt.com
 
2012-12-12 10:31:02 AM
Right wing outrage machine activate!

Form of...a potato!

Shape of...an ice potato!
 
2012-12-12 10:39:22 AM

Diogenes: But one serious idea I had for a counter was "Choose Choice".


In NC, they had proposed "Respect Choice" as a counter opinion plate.

I'd rather not allow any of them, period. Put a bumper sticker on your car, State issued anything has no business pushing any side of this mess or any other hot-button topic.
 
2012-12-12 10:40:20 AM
img.youtube.com
 
2012-12-12 10:41:00 AM
But doesn't "Choose Life" imply a choice so is therefore somewhat...pro-choice?

/devils advocate
//ducks and runs
 
2012-12-12 10:47:34 AM

CapeFearCadaver: Diogenes: But one serious idea I had for a counter was "Choose Choice".

In NC, they had proposed "Respect Choice" as a counter opinion plate.

I'd rather not allow any of them, period. Put a bumper sticker on your car, State issued anything has no business pushing any side of this mess or any other hot-button topic.


Seriously. I'm not one for label activism in the first place. But making my car a target just seems stupid, beyond being a shallow expression.
 
2012-12-12 10:50:49 AM
Choose Death is so metal.
 
2012-12-12 10:52:42 AM
Too bad they're legal here in Virginia. Yet they offer no "Kill the babies" alternative for us pro-choice people to piss off the pro-lifers.
 
2012-12-12 10:53:18 AM

Rapmaster2000: Choose Death Schuldiner is so metal.


/redundant
 
2012-12-12 10:59:42 AM

kid_icarus: But doesn't "Choose Life" imply a choice so is therefore somewhat...pro-choice?

/devils advocate
//ducks and runs


If the pro-life side used their time, resources and spiritual clout to convince people to choose adoption, promote women's health and educate about contraceptives--rather than merely attempt to ban abortion--they'd prevent many, MANY more abortions than they are now. Under that scenario, a "Choose Life" slogan would be honest and respectable.

But they'd rather control the sex lives of women, so here we are.
 
2012-12-12 11:00:07 AM

Rapmaster2000: Choose Death is so metal.


It would be a great name for a death metal band.
 
2012-12-12 11:01:18 AM

Lumpmoose: kid_icarus: But doesn't "Choose Life" imply a choice so is therefore somewhat...pro-choice?

/devils advocate
//ducks and runs

If the pro-life side used their time, resources and spiritual clout to convince people to choose adoption, promote women's health and educate about contraceptives--rather than merely attempt to ban abortion--they'd prevent many, MANY more abortions than they are now. Under that scenario, a "Choose Life" slogan would be honest and respectable.

But they'd rather control the sex lives of women, so here we are.


"Choose Life!"

Your choices are:

A. Life
B. Jail
 
2012-12-12 11:10:45 AM

kid_icarus: Lumpmoose: kid_icarus: But doesn't "Choose Life" imply a choice so is therefore somewhat...pro-choice?

/devils advocate
//ducks and runs

If the pro-life side used their time, resources and spiritual clout to convince people to choose adoption, promote women's health and educate about contraceptives--rather than merely attempt to ban abortion--they'd prevent many, MANY more abortions than they are now. Under that scenario, a "Choose Life" slogan would be honest and respectable.

But they'd rather control the sex lives of women, so here we are.

"Choose Life!"

Your choices are:

A. Life
B. Jail


Except when it's:

A. Death
 
2012-12-12 11:58:43 AM
i191.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-12 12:37:37 PM
i105.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-12 12:56:13 PM
www.oktax.state.ok.us

hope we're next...
 
2012-12-12 12:56:17 PM
We have Helping Schools tags. Should we also have fark The Schools tags?
 
2012-12-12 12:56:25 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: Can I just say, as a feminist and mother, I'm still mildly annoyed they revoked that Eat The Kids First plate.


She has my vote for senate
 
2012-12-12 12:56:33 PM
I expect that Fox News will find this perfectly reasonable and acceptable. Fair and Balanced.
 
2012-12-12 12:56:42 PM
I'm a lich and I'm offended they don't have a "Choose Undeath" option.
 
2012-12-12 01:00:04 PM
If only there was some other way to display your socio-political beliefs on the back of your car. Maybe strips of paper with adhesive on one side and written messages on the other. Let's get on that Farkers!
 
2012-12-12 01:00:15 PM
The stupid part is "pro-choice" is not "pro-death"
 
2012-12-12 01:00:35 PM
This story put the jitterbug into my brain.
 
2012-12-12 01:00:41 PM

FloydA: [i105.photobucket.com image 639x531]


I think there's only a couple of those that I didn't read.
 
2012-12-12 01:01:10 PM

TwistedIvory: Choose life. But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life: I chose something else.


If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
 
2012-12-12 01:01:15 PM
www.drvino.com
 
2012-12-12 01:01:22 PM
You people really have to quit putting these farks in office.
It has not worked and is getting less likely to work the more time dilutes the derp.
 
2012-12-12 01:02:06 PM

TwistedIvory: Choose life. But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life: I chose something else.


You still have made a choice.

/ You can choose from Phantom Fears and Kindness that can kill...

// Sorry, was just over in the R&RHOF thread.
 
2012-12-12 01:02:31 PM
how about "Please choose to key my car because I am a self righteous douche"
 
2012-12-12 01:02:43 PM

Apos: [image.spreadshirt.com image 190x190]


^ yep

/ fark the government
// "sigh"
 
2012-12-12 01:02:56 PM

radiovox: If only there was some other way to display your socio-political beliefs on the back of your car. Maybe strips of paper with adhesive on one side and written messages on the other. Let's get on that Farkers!


BUt would it not be more politically incorrect/correct(hell, I can't keep track) to have the public pay for it?
 
2012-12-12 01:03:14 PM

drxym: The stupid part is "pro-choice" is not "pro-death"


If they had a Pro-Death license plate in VA, I'd be on it in a stilled heartbeat. I hate those damn Neon Yellow cheese tags for the Pro-Birthers.
 
2012-12-12 01:03:16 PM
Abortion statistics:

" If current rates continue, it is estimated that 35% of all women of reproductive age in America today will have had an abortion by the time they reach the age of 45.3"

and

"Women who obtain abortions represent every religious affiliation. 13% of abortion patients describe themselves as born-again or Evangelical Christians; while 22% of U.S. women are Catholic, 27% of abortion patients say they are Catholics."
 
2012-12-12 01:03:17 PM
I will choose free will
 
2012-12-12 01:03:48 PM

TwistedIvory: Choose life. But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life: I chose something else.


If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.
 
2012-12-12 01:04:05 PM

YodaBlues: TwistedIvory: Choose life. But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life: I chose something else.

If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.


Damn You YodaBlues!
/ Shaking my tiny fist at you.....
 
2012-12-12 01:04:06 PM
How about CHOOSE HEROIN

www.justdesktopwallpapers.com
 
2012-12-12 01:04:50 PM

neritz: [i191.photobucket.com image 191x263]


Is that a real thing? If so it is kinda awesome.
 
2012-12-12 01:05:31 PM
Being pro-choice and living in Roanoke, VA, I don't think I'd put a "Respect Choice" plate on my car........unless I want a key or two dragged across the paint.
 
2012-12-12 01:06:03 PM
Why is a state-run agency using tax money to express an opinion, anyway? It would be different if abortion were illegal in NC because at least then there'd be some kind of backup.

In before "it's totally an expression of the sanctity of life and the rejection of all violence against your fellow man, maaaaan"
 
2012-12-12 01:06:58 PM

reillan: [www.oktax.state.ok.us image 340x162]

hope we're next...


Did they get an aborted fetus to design that plate?
 
2012-12-12 01:07:05 PM

reillan: [www.oktax.state.ok.us image 340x162]

hope we're next...


I don't miss Oklahoma at all.

\all my Oklahoma family is just as liberal-minded as me
\\but they'd never in a million years advertise their opinions via their cars
\\\would lead to slashed tires and keyed paint jobs
 
2012-12-12 01:07:07 PM

Diogenes: CapeFearCadaver: Diogenes: But one serious idea I had for a counter was "Choose Choice".

In NC, they had proposed "Respect Choice" as a counter opinion plate.

I'd rather not allow any of them, period. Put a bumper sticker on your car, State issued anything has no business pushing any side of this mess or any other hot-button topic.

Seriously. I'm not one for label activism in the first place. But making my car a target just seems stupid, beyond being a shallow expression.


You mean your shiatty Virginia driving habits don't already make you a target?

"Gah! Snow! Seek shelter in the Hampton Roads Bridge Tunnel, quick!!!"
 
2012-12-12 01:07:44 PM

DubyaHater: Being pro-choice and living in Roanoke, VA, I don't think I'd put a "Respect Choice" plate on my car........unless I want a key or two dragged across the paint.


Yeah, I don't know why anyone would risk putting anything political on their car
. There are ignorant idiots of all political bents.
 
2012-12-12 01:08:00 PM
"Choose Death" would be great. It's easier to work with than "Save The Planet: Kill Yourself."
 
2012-12-12 01:09:04 PM

Sybarite: I think it's nice they want to support gay rights.

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It would be totally hilarious if some other group hijacked those plates... Like animal rights or gay rights or whatever... lol
 
2012-12-12 01:09:42 PM

TwistedIvory


Choose life. But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life: I chose something else.


And the reasons?

There are no reasons.
 
2012-12-12 01:09:59 PM
So I did some looking... Ohio has two Choose Life plates and no alternative. They are considered to be pro-adoption plates, not pro-life plates.

We also have the obligitory "In God We Trust" plate.
 
2012-12-12 01:10:57 PM

Teknowaffle: [www.funnysigns.net image 400x269]

They already have that one in Va.


Hell yes. I wish I'd seen this one.

/from VA
//i think those 'kids first' plates are retarded...along with the little stickers they put to indicate how many minions they own.
 
2012-12-12 01:11:37 PM

snocone: You people really have to quit putting these farks in office.
It has not worked and is getting less likely to work the more time dilutes the derp.


Hey, I voted for the other guy.

Seriously, we keep going back and forth between red and blue, the line is pretty thin here. Hopefully, in two years...
 
2012-12-12 01:11:40 PM
So my choice is "or death"? I'll have the chicken then, please.

/taste of human, sir.
 
2012-12-12 01:12:06 PM

sweetmelissa31: reillan: [www.oktax.state.ok.us image 340x162]

hope we're next...

Did they get an aborted fetus to design that plate?


Its nearly the same as the Mississippi one, designed by idiots....for idiots. You know they wont give it up unless the South is burnt to the ground again.

So pray for it to happen soon.

/Why yes I am currently in the South, why do you ask?
 
2012-12-12 01:13:44 PM

Diogenes: God Is My Co-Pirate: Can I just say, as a feminist and mother, I'm still mildly annoyed they revoked that Eat The Kids First plate.

Yeah, I was thinking of a good counter proposal to the Choose Life plates we have here in FL. "Kill More Babies" seemed a bit too over the top. But I think your "Eat The Kids First" idea has legs. Delicious, tender, young legs.

But one serious idea I had for a counter was "Choose Choice".


How is the phrase Choose Life not pro-choice?
 
2012-12-12 01:13:53 PM

TwistedIvory: Choose life. But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life: I chose something else.


But you still have made a choice.
 
2012-12-12 01:13:54 PM

Diogenes: CapeFearCadaver: Diogenes: But one serious idea I had for a counter was "Choose Choice".

In NC, they had proposed "Respect Choice" as a counter opinion plate.

I'd rather not allow any of them, period. Put a bumper sticker on your car, State issued anything has no business pushing any side of this mess or any other hot-button topic.

Seriously. I'm not one for label activism in the first place. But making my car a target just seems stupid, beyond being a shallow expression.


I mostly agree (don't even have bumper stickers for that reason) but NY has had a couple of basically neutral plates I liked - one for the Lilac festival (Rochester influenced, LOVE that festival) and I think there was one with a bird or something where the money went to wetlands conservation. IIRC there's also one with a sailboat but I think it's just something for the people who like boating, as I don't recall any special significance.
 
2012-12-12 01:14:05 PM

jst3p: DubyaHater: Being pro-choice and living in Roanoke, VA, I don't think I'd put a "Respect Choice" plate on my car........unless I want a key or two dragged across the paint.

Yeah, I don't know why anyone would risk putting anything political on their car
. There are ignorant idiots of all political bents.


I put my first and only bumper sticker on my car for this election: 'Vote No' (against the MN constitutional amendment duplicating the opposite-gender marriage law). I think one factor in the amendment's surprising defeat was the groundswell of Vote No signs and bumper stickers across the state, especially in cities. We dwarfed the other side and visibility helps. I took the bumper stick off the Thursday after the election.
 
2012-12-12 01:14:05 PM
cdn.motinetwork.net
 
2012-12-12 01:14:37 PM

AngryTeacher: So I did some looking... Ohio has two Choose Life plates and no alternative. They are considered to be pro-adoption plates, not pro-life plates.

We also have the obligitory "In God We Trust" plate.


Colorado has the "Respect life" but they aren't meant to be pro-life. Super double pinky swear!

www.larryslicenseplates.com

Columbine Plate

This plate memorializing the victims and survivors of the 1999 shooting at Columbine High School is currently one of the most popular in the state. It features a columbine flower (the state flower) and the phrase "Respect Life" on a detailed mountain backdrop. There is a one-time fee of $50 for the plate, in addition to standard registration and license fees.


/pretty good front actually.
 
2012-12-12 01:14:56 PM
I propose "Choose Cake"

/not obscure
 
2012-12-12 01:15:14 PM

DubyaHater: Being pro-choice and living in Roanoke, VA, I don't think I'd put a "Respect Choice" plate on my car........unless I want a key or two dragged across the paint.


Every time my car gets keyed I key two pro-life cars. That'll teach 'em.
 
2012-12-12 01:15:30 PM
Don't they understand that the only thing that should go on your state issued license plate is the college you attended, the military branch you served in, and the fact you support shelter animals/breast cancer/girl scouts/state parks, or the local professional sports team?
 
2012-12-12 01:15:34 PM
Use Rubbers!
 
2012-12-12 01:15:39 PM
I'm just gladdened that these fine people have the courage and conviction to use the time and resources necessary to fight this. All the way to the Supreme Court, presumedly.
 
2012-12-12 01:15:57 PM

Lumpmoose: If the pro-life side used their time, resources and spiritual clout to convince people to choose adoption, promote women's health and educate about contraceptives--rather than merely attempt to ban abortion--they'd prevent many, MANY more abortions than they are now. Under that scenario, a "Choose Life" slogan would be honest and respectable.


Bonus: The anti-choicers are often against adoption (those poor kids might be given to a dirty gay person, or worse, two dirty gay people) and always against health care (so many socialisms) and contraception (it's abstinence or nothing!). I really have no idea where they expect all these extra children to go. Soylent Green factories, perhaps?

/[george_carlin.jpg]
//I know that you know this already, just biatching for the sake of biatching.
 
2012-12-12 01:17:00 PM

Rufus Lee King: "This is a great victory for the free speech rights of all North Carolinians.", said Chris Brook of the ACLU.

Really? How does that follow? People have the right to free expression until someone says something that you don't agree with?

[www.anunews.net image 300x262]


I imagine it has something to do with the government officially sponsoring/funding/manufacturing only one particular viewpoint of a contentious issue. The first amendment is aimed at legislators after all.
 
2012-12-12 01:17:43 PM

jst3p: neritz: [i191.photobucket.com image 191x263]

Is that a real thing? If so it is kinda awesome.


Very. I saw one just the other day.
 
2012-12-12 01:18:21 PM

Generation_D: [img.youtube.com image 480x360]


looking for this.
 
2012-12-12 01:19:26 PM

FizixJunkee: Abortion statistics:

" If current rates continue, it is estimated that 35% of all women of reproductive age in America today will have had an abortion by the time they reach the age of 45.3"

and

"Women who obtain abortions represent every religious affiliation. 13% of abortion patients describe themselves as born-again or Evangelical Christians; while 22% of U.S. women are Catholic, 27% of abortion patients say they are Catholics."


That's a lot of voters to piss off. (Not to mention their husbands and boyfriends who are likely relieved that abortion was a legal option,)
 
2012-12-12 01:19:27 PM

Pincy: DubyaHater: Being pro-choice and living in Roanoke, VA, I don't think I'd put a "Respect Choice" plate on my car........unless I want a key or two dragged across the paint.

Every time my car gets keyed I key two pro-life cars. That'll teach 'em.


I would just get my girlfriend pregnant, get an ultrasound, take her to the abortion clinic and then write letters letting all the local churches know what we did and include a copy of the ultrasound with the caption "This is YOUR fault!"
 
2012-12-12 01:19:44 PM

Rufus Lee King: "This is a great victory for the free speech rights of all North Carolinians.", said Chris Brook of the ACLU.

Really? How does that follow? People have the right to free expression until someone says something that you don't agree with?

[www.anunews.net image 300x262]


Not exactly. The "someone" in this context is "the state government," which is not a "someone" at all.
 
2012-12-12 01:20:56 PM
i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-12 01:21:22 PM
I would so get one! And it would be a vanity plate.

Simply: B4DISCO
 
2012-12-12 01:21:44 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: Lumpmoose: If the pro-life side used their time, resources and spiritual clout to convince people to choose adoption, promote women's health and educate about contraceptives--rather than merely attempt to ban abortion--they'd prevent many, MANY more abortions than they are now. Under that scenario, a "Choose Life" slogan would be honest and respectable.

Bonus: The anti-choicers are often against adoption (those poor kids might be given to a dirty gay person, or worse, two dirty gay people) and always against health care (so many socialisms) and contraception (it's abstinence or nothing!). I really have no idea where they expect all these extra children to go. Soylent Green factories, perhaps?

/[george_carlin.jpg]
//I know that you know this already, just biatching for the sake of biatching.


why not add a little vitriol:

the single greatest killer of unborn babies is the abstinence only movement.
 
2012-12-12 01:21:54 PM
We went through this in Georgia recently. It all started with a license plate redesign that included a space for a phrase. Of course as soon as you do that every special interest group wants a taste.

I never thought I would be nostalgic for the days when a license plate just had your license plate number on it. It's not a t-shirt with a snarky saying on it.
 
2012-12-12 01:22:52 PM
Virginia has a 'Trust Women' pro-choice plate. I thought it was nice, kind of like saying "It's okay, guys, I have a uterus and I know what I'm doing here, if I can be a good mom, I'll have the kid, but if not, you have to trust me. I've got this one."

Of course, being a contentious issue, I was hesitant. Sure, I know how to buff out a scratch, but you can only fix paint so many times.

But then I saw that they had one with a kitty and a doggie on it that benefits animal shelters, so that's what I wound up picking for the station wagon, my husband chose one of the general-aviation ones with an airplane on it for the coupe and the minivan got an alumni-association plate with our college logo. Nobody objects to animals, airplanes or to your alumni plate (unless you went to Penn State, which we didn't, and that's kind of blown over...or Duke...) and if I really need street cred at some kind of vehicular abortion debate, I can always impale a foam-rubber fetus on the antenna I fixed with a coat hanger and carry on about my day.
 
2012-12-12 01:24:18 PM
weblogs.baltimoresun.com
 
2012-12-12 01:25:51 PM

whither_apophis: I will choose free will


It is a path that's clear.
 
2012-12-12 01:26:41 PM
So, in my state we have pro cop plates.
What would my alternative there be?
 
2012-12-12 01:27:04 PM

Rufus Lee King: "This is a great victory for the free speech rights of all North Carolinians.", said Chris Brook of the ACLU.

Really? How does that follow? People have the right to free expression until someone says something that you don't agree with?


I like how people with a conservative christian point of view think that "free speech" means the right to make the government espouse their own particular worldview. It's really neither a conservative nor a christian opinion.

You can have a point of view without also making the government all the time parrot that point of view. (Or maybe you so lack confidence in your own beliefs that they will wither away and die if you can't force the government to put them on a license plate: "I was going to keep that baby, but the slogan on my license plate is content neutral, so I aborted it.").
 
2012-12-12 01:27:42 PM
Abortions for some
JKLN 891
Miniature american flags for others
 
2012-12-12 01:28:14 PM
The crackpot liberal freeloaders are more than happy to take away someone else's free speech rights.

It is long past time we re-establish free religious speech in this country. In church. In schools. In public. The liberals have been chipping away at this basic human right for years and now we've reached this ridiculous and sad point. Free speech for them, government censored speech for anyone else.

Demand your basic free speech rights!

Stand up in your church and call out crooked politicians by name. Wear anti-abortion and scripture related clothing to your school and in public. This is your fundamental, constitutionally protected, basic human right and it must not be abridged by these extremist liberal crackpots.
 
2012-12-12 01:29:18 PM

snocone: radiovox: If only there was some other way to display your socio-political beliefs on the back of your car. Maybe strips of paper with adhesive on one side and written messages on the other. Let's get on that Farkers!

BUt would it not be more politically incorrect/correct(hell, I can't keep track) to have the public pay for it?


Actually, you bring up a good point. I have a specialty plate on my car but I had to pay an extra $30 for it. I'm sure there is some kind of up front cost to the tax payer but wouldn't the revenue generated from the sale of those plates offset all that?

I'm curious because it would be a good argument point for one side of the debate and I really haven't taken a side.
 
2012-12-12 01:29:22 PM
The important thing is that we engage in all our profound national culture debates via pithy slogans on bumper stickers and license plates. As long as we still do that, I'm cool.
 
2012-12-12 01:29:46 PM

BunkoSquad: I want a "Choose The Form of Your Destructor" license plate.

[www.x-entertainment.com image 686x359]


Empty your heads. Don't think of anything. We've only got one shot at this.
 
2012-12-12 01:30:47 PM
I know others have said this, but isn't "Choose Life" a pro-choice statement? I think a pro-life statement would have to be something like "Force Life"?
 
2012-12-12 01:30:52 PM
Pffft....If I'm going to pay extra for a license plate, I'll stick to things that are really important like Hockey.

www.mass.gov
 
2012-12-12 01:32:00 PM

drxym: The stupid part is "pro-choice" is not "pro-death"


This!
Many years ago I was dining out with a friend and a woman was going table to tale with pamphlets depicting abortions. my friend handed the pamphlet back to the woman an said she'll have the Tar Tar.
 
2012-12-12 01:32:42 PM

kid_icarus: Lumpmoose: But they'd rather control the sex lives of women, so here we are.

"Choose Life!"

Your choices are:

A. Life
B. Jail

C. Death.
D. Snu-snu.
 
2012-12-12 01:32:48 PM

WhoopAssWayne: The crackpot liberal freeloaders are more than happy to take away someone else's free speech rights.

It is long past time we re-establish free religious speech in this country. In church. In schools. In public. The liberals have been chipping away at this basic human right for years and now we've reached this ridiculous and sad point. Free speech for them, government censored speech for anyone else.

Demand your basic free speech rights!

Stand up in your church and call out crooked politicians by name. Wear anti-abortion and scripture related clothing to your school and in public. This is your fundamental, constitutionally protected, basic human right and it must not be hasn't been abridged by these extremist liberal crackpots.


Fixed that for you.

/Who's a cute liddle troll, who is? Yes you are, awww
 
2012-12-12 01:33:00 PM
This is why General Sherman didn't burn North Carolina, because they are relatively sensible.
 
2012-12-12 01:33:24 PM
I see they've taken my proposal that the State of New York also offer "Eat Whales" and "Union No!" license plates to the logical conclusion.
 
2012-12-12 01:33:52 PM
but where's my "your black and white view of the world is stupid" plate?
 
2012-12-12 01:34:00 PM

ruinevil: This is why General Sherman didn't burn North Carolina, because they are relatively sensible.


No, he was just partial to the barbecue. They are just as messed up as the rest of the South.
 
2012-12-12 01:35:15 PM

Dexaan: I'm a lich and I'm offended they don't have a "Choose Undeath" option.


You're a lich? Awesome! How did you manage that? Did you find the Head of Vecna?
 
2012-12-12 01:36:16 PM

slayer199: Rapmaster2000: Choose Death is so metal.

It would be a great name for a death metal band.


t3.gstatic.com
 
2012-12-12 01:36:30 PM

WhoopAssWayne: The crackpot liberal freeloaders are more than happy to take away someone else's free speech rights.

It is long past time we re-establish free religious speech in this country. In church. In schools. In public. The liberals have been chipping away at this basic human right for years and now we've reached this ridiculous and sad point. Free speech for them, government censored speech for anyone else.

Demand your basic free speech rights!

Stand up in your church and call out crooked politicians by name. Wear anti-abortion and scripture related clothing to your school and in public. This is your fundamental, constitutionally protected, basic human right and it must not be abridged by these extremist liberal crackpots.


Not sure if retarded....
 
2012-12-12 01:36:52 PM

URAPNIS: We have Helping Schools tags. Should we also have fark The Schools tags?


There are support wilderness plates and university sports teams plates--so that a chunk of that money goes to support state education and natural resource management. Schools are public institutions. I don't have a problem with adopting a plate to raise money for a public institution. Political messages are different it seems.
 
2012-12-12 01:37:35 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: Lumpmoose: If the pro-life side used their time, resources and spiritual clout to convince people to choose adoption, promote women's health and educate about contraceptives--rather than merely attempt to ban abortion--they'd prevent many, MANY more abortions than they are now. Under that scenario, a "Choose Life" slogan would be honest and respectable.

Bonus: The anti-choicers are often against adoption (those poor kids might be given to a dirty gay person, or worse, two dirty gay people) and always against health care (so many socialisms) and contraception (it's abstinence or nothing!). I really have no idea where they expect all these extra children to go. Soylent Green factories, perhaps?

/[george_carlin.jpg]
//I know that you know this already, just biatching for the sake of biatching.


donewithaa.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-12 01:37:57 PM

jst3p: Pincy: DubyaHater: Being pro-choice and living in Roanoke, VA, I don't think I'd put a "Respect Choice" plate on my car........unless I want a key or two dragged across the paint.

Every time my car gets keyed I key two pro-life cars. That'll teach 'em.

I would just get my girlfriend pregnant, get an ultrasound, take her to the abortion clinic and then write letters letting all the local churches know what we did and include a copy of the ultrasound with the caption "This is YOUR fault!"


Lightweight. I'd send them the aborted fetus.
 
2012-12-12 01:38:10 PM
I would so put a Choose Death license plate on my car. Please please please pass this NC!
 
2012-12-12 01:38:38 PM

YodaBlues: TwistedIvory: Choose life. But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life: I chose something else.

If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.


My license plate reads "1001001-SOS."
 
2012-12-12 01:39:07 PM

LaraAmber: Wear anti-abortion and scripture related clothing to your school and in public. This is your fundamental, constitutionally protected, basic human right


i.imgur.com

/Approves.
 
2012-12-12 01:42:00 PM

WhoopAssWayne: crackpot liberal freeloaders


Welcome to the name of my next album.

/my last one was "These Things I Believe"
 
2012-12-12 01:42:34 PM
i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-12 01:43:05 PM

I guess

"Kiss the ass of the hairy dead Armenian carpenter that did parlor tricks or you will burn in eternal damnation fire and brimstone you heathen scum"

didn't quite fit on their plates in the state where Government IS religion.

Farkin snake kissing toothless bible thumping hickabilies.
They make Pakastanis look somewhat advanced.
 
2012-12-12 01:43:13 PM
FREE CHOICE..... unless it's to join a union or not
 
2012-12-12 01:43:24 PM
How about a "yeah, umm, whatever" plate for us apathetics?
I'll shoot off some e-mails to get the ball rolling.
Fark it, too much trouble...
 
2012-12-12 01:44:01 PM

ruinevil: This is why General Sherman didn't burn North Carolina, because they are relatively sensible.


A little factoid that gets lost in Sherman's fame: The Union army burned plantations homes, whole towns, destroyed rail lines and factories and crops from Virginia to Louisiana. Georgia was the life line of the Confederate army and the South's industrial/commercial center, so Sherman's orders were to inflict as much damage to it as possible. He burned a lot, but not everything, as inaccurate history sometimes claims.
 
2012-12-12 01:45:17 PM

Pincy: jst3p: Pincy: DubyaHater: Being pro-choice and living in Roanoke, VA, I don't think I'd put a "Respect Choice" plate on my car........unless I want a key or two dragged across the paint.

Every time my car gets keyed I key two pro-life cars. That'll teach 'em.

I would just get my girlfriend pregnant, get an ultrasound, take her to the abortion clinic and then write letters letting all the local churches know what we did and include a copy of the ultrasound with the caption "This is YOUR fault!"

Lightweight. I'd send them the aborted fetus.


Send them free pizza.
Place note under said pizza explaining it was made from a fetus.
 
2012-12-12 01:46:28 PM
www.coastal.ca.gov

There isnt a "Pollute our coast and oceans" alternative.

www.calvet.ca.gov

Also no "Dishonor veterans" alternative.
 
2012-12-12 01:46:56 PM

Rufus Lee King: "This is a great victory for the free speech rights of all North Carolinians.", said Chris Brook of the ACLU.

Really? How does that follow? People have the right to free expression until someone says something that you don't agree with?


Straw man or genuine inability to understand? Hard to say. For the sake of argument I'll assume you're genuine confused.

NC can issue pro-life plates if they ALSO issue pro-choice plates. They can offer both, or neither. What they cannot do is offer ONLY plates that support one point of view.

Does that help any?
 
2012-12-12 01:47:44 PM
Someone needs to Photoshop the "Choose Death" alternative ASAP.
 
2012-12-12 01:48:08 PM

Graffito: FizixJunkee: Abortion statistics:

" If current rates continue, it is estimated that 35% of all women of reproductive age in America today will have had an abortion by the time they reach the age of 45.3"

and

"Women who obtain abortions represent every religious affiliation. 13% of abortion patients describe themselves as born-again or Evangelical Christians; while 22% of U.S. women are Catholic, 27% of abortion patients say they are Catholics."

That's a lot of voters to piss off. (Not to mention their husbands and boyfriends who are likely relieved that abortion was a legal option,)


hah. I know a Catholic girl who had an abortion although she strictly does not believe in them. In her case she would claim that she had to have one because her baby would not have been healthy/viable for reasons specific to her. But she is against abortion. So yeah, as we know, people will say 'it isn't okay for you to do it because I say so' but if I need one it is totally different and fine.

She is just lucky that she was able to safely and privately get one.

So just because women have had one doesn't mean they believe in them. They will probably say it was wrong when they did it but God forgives them but never mention that they were lucky to be able to have an abortion and would do it again if they were in the same situation.

/just FYI, we are friends and I would never say these nasty things to her face. I'm sure it was a hard decision and it was her choice to make, I just wish she would admit that other people deserve the same choice.
 
2012-12-12 01:48:19 PM
this country is heading in the shiatter faster than a rabbit gets farked.
 
2012-12-12 01:48:43 PM

Rufus Lee King: TheNewJesus: how about "Please choose to key my car because I am a self righteous douche"

See? This illustrates my point perfectly.


I'm sorry, what was your point that this illustrates? I didn't realize you had a point to make. I thought you were only asking an honest question with your earlier post.
 
2012-12-12 01:49:22 PM
I would flat-out LOVE a license plate that says "Choose Death".

Provided it had an electric chair on it.
 
2012-12-12 01:49:27 PM

ISO15693: [www.coastal.ca.gov image 247x124]

There isnt a "Pollute our coast and oceans" alternative.

[www.calvet.ca.gov image 168x84]

Also no "Dishonor veterans" alternative.


Nor are those highly divisive, contentious issues.
 
2012-12-12 01:50:20 PM

bugmn99: Diogenes: CapeFearCadaver: Diogenes: But one serious idea I had for a counter was "Choose Choice".

In NC, they had proposed "Respect Choice" as a counter opinion plate.

I'd rather not allow any of them, period. Put a bumper sticker on your car, State issued anything has no business pushing any side of this mess or any other hot-button topic.

Seriously. I'm not one for label activism in the first place. But making my car a target just seems stupid, beyond being a shallow expression.

You mean your shiatty Virginia driving habits don't already make you a target?

"Gah! Snow! Seek shelter in the Hampton Roads Bridge Tunnel, quick!!!"


Va. drivers are the worst ! Forget snow, they can't handle rain.
 
2012-12-12 01:51:26 PM
Massachusetts of all places has these.

2.bp.blogspot.com

According to Google:
Legislative approval is not required in Massachusetts to create specialty tags. Any registered charitable organization can get a special license plate so long as they collect applications and fees from at least 1,500 drivers who want the plates and post a $100,000 bond to guard the state against loss. The bond is returned if more than 3,000 of the plates sell within two years.

I should create a Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster charity solely to get a license plate.
 
2012-12-12 01:51:50 PM
I'm going to oppose the Save the Cape Hatteras Lighthouse license plate because they do not offer an anti-Lighthouse alternative. I will then advocate for the "Raze the Smoky Mountains" plate to be made available.
 
2012-12-12 01:54:22 PM

Joe Blowme: FREE CHOICE..... unless it's to join a union or not


Yeah, I agree, the government's efforts to destroy unions are pretty frustrating.
 
2012-12-12 01:54:56 PM

TheSelphie: Massachusetts of all places has these.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 504x250]

According to Google:
Legislative approval is not required in Massachusetts to create specialty tags. Any registered charitable organization can get a special license plate so long as they collect applications and fees from at least 1,500 drivers who want the plates and post a $100,000 bond to guard the state against loss. The bond is returned if more than 3,000 of the plates sell within two years.

I should create a Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster charity solely to get a license plate.


I would donate tword the 100k, way better than the "Give Joe the Bird!" thing, how much did that raise?
 
2012-12-12 01:56:15 PM

ISO15693: [www.coastal.ca.gov image 247x124]

There isnt a "Pollute our coast and oceans" alternative.


brightcoast.files.wordpress.com

Sure there is.
 
2012-12-12 01:56:19 PM
I would SO love to have a FSM plate.
 
2012-12-12 01:56:27 PM

TwistedIvory: Choose life. But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life: I chose something else.


can you choose NOT to purchase Health Insurance?
 
2012-12-12 01:57:28 PM
I want the combo "Choose Life" and "Pro-Death Penalty" plate.
 
2012-12-12 01:57:47 PM

CapeFearCadaver: ISO15693: [www.coastal.ca.gov image 247x124]

There isnt a "Pollute our coast and oceans" alternative.

[www.calvet.ca.gov image 168x84]

Also no "Dishonor veterans" alternative.

Nor are those highly divisive, contentious issues.


True. I guess my plan of selling 'change Lake Tahoe to a color other than blue" license plate frames isnt going to take off.
 
2012-12-12 02:00:46 PM
If you are against abortion - Simply, DON'T HAVE A FARKIN' ABORTION!

Of course, since you will also find the majority of these "pro-life" types are white, middle-aged men, the REAL reason is they have an intense desire to control the sex lives of those uppity women, who according to them should be brood mares for their god. It's zero to do with compassion for the 'poor l'i'l babies.

You'll probably find that a vast majority of 'pro-lifers' tend to be the retrograde types that are against a social safety net for the children of unwed mothers, cheering for war and the death penalty, and against gun control, praise the lord jesus for ever 'n' ever 'n' ever AHHH-MEN!!!
 
2012-12-12 02:01:26 PM

keylock71: Pffft....If I'm going to pay extra for a license plate, I'll stick to things that are really important like Hockey.

[www.mass.gov image 300x152]


If only that sport was played in this state...

\fark Jacobs
 
2012-12-12 02:01:28 PM
I'd buy the fark out of a Choose Death plate.

FizixJunkee: while 22% of U.S. women are Catholic, 27% of abortion patients say they are Catholics."


Of course, if they had an abortion they're not Catholics anymore. They may think they are, but they're not. Latae sententiae all up in this biatch.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-12 02:04:04 PM
TheSelphie: Massachusetts of all places has these.

Massachusetts is conflicted because the Boston area is very Catholic. Catholics are the liberal wing of the Christian party most of the time, but very conservative on abortion. We also have a lot of CINO who dutifully go to mass but act like ordinary sinners the rest of the week/month/year.
 
2012-12-12 02:04:41 PM

spidermilk: Graffito: FizixJunkee: Abortion statistics:

" If current rates continue, it is estimated that 35% of all women of reproductive age in America today will have had an abortion by the time they reach the age of 45.3"

and

"Women who obtain abortions represent every religious affiliation. 13% of abortion patients describe themselves as born-again or Evangelical Christians; while 22% of U.S. women are Catholic, 27% of abortion patients say they are Catholics."

That's a lot of voters to piss off. (Not to mention their husbands and boyfriends who are likely relieved that abortion was a legal option,)

hah. I know a Catholic girl who had an abortion although she strictly does not believe in them. In her case she would claim that she had to have one because her baby would not have been healthy/viable for reasons specific to her. But she is against abortion. So yeah, as we know, people will say 'it isn't okay for you to do it because I say so' but if I need one it is totally different and fine.

She is just lucky that she was able to safely and privately get one.

So just because women have had one doesn't mean they believe in them. They will probably say it was wrong when they did it but God forgives them but never mention that they were lucky to be able to have an abortion and would do it again if they were in the same situation.

/just FYI, we are friends and I would never say these nasty things to her face. I'm sure it was a hard decision and it was her choice to make, I just wish she would admit that other people deserve the same choice.


If the truth is "nasty" then it's not the truth teller who needs to be ashamed.
 
2012-12-12 02:05:31 PM
How exactly is it unconstitutional for a state to offer a license plate from one side of a political argument and not from another?

Seriously I don't get it.
 
2012-12-12 02:07:03 PM

WhoopAssWayne: The crackpot liberal freeloaders are more than happy to take away someone else's free speech rights.

It is long past time we re-establish free religious speech in this country. In church. In schools. In public. The liberals have been chipping away at this basic human right for years and now we've reached this ridiculous and sad point. Free speech for them, government censored speech for anyone else.

Demand your basic free speech rights!

Stand up in your church and call out crooked politicians by name. Wear anti-abortion and scripture related clothing to your school and in public. This is your fundamental, constitutionally protected, basic human right and it must not be abridged by these extremist liberal crackpots.


It's great that you were able to take the time to write this post, but for God's sake, man, get back to the front lines, before the Athiests win the War on Christmas!

\Onward, Christian soldiers...
 
2012-12-12 02:09:41 PM

ISO15693: True. I guess my plan of selling 'change Lake Tahoe to a color other than blue" license plate frames isnt going to take off.


Like red? Please make it red.
 
2012-12-12 02:10:40 PM

Even With A Chainsaw: How exactly is it unconstitutional for a state to offer a license plate from one side of a political argument and not from another?

Seriously I don't get it.


Why are states even doing this sort of thing? Oh ya, to make money by selling more expensive customized plates to people. Go ahead, buy your "choose life" plates. You're just giving the state more money to spend on other people.
 
2012-12-12 02:11:29 PM

Even With A Chainsaw: How exactly is it unconstitutional for a state to offer a license plate from one side of a political argument and not from another?

Seriously I don't get it.


Study. It. Out.

/heh, I've always wanted to say that
 
2012-12-12 02:12:02 PM

FriarReb98: keylock71: Pffft....If I'm going to pay extra for a license plate, I'll stick to things that are really important like Hockey.

[www.mass.gov image 300x152]

If only that sport was played in this state...

\fark Jacobs


While I wholeheartedly agree with your last sentiment, the sport is alive and well in the Commonwealth... Just not the NHL, at the moment. : (
 
2012-12-12 02:14:15 PM
Need a Choose a slow painful death plate, must be taken by CIA employee only.
 
2012-12-12 02:15:06 PM

URAPNIS: We have Helping Schools tags. Should we also have fark The Schools tags?


You can get Crimson Tide plates, which is close enough.
 
2012-12-12 02:16:14 PM

keylock71: Pffft....If I'm going to pay extra for a license plate, I'll stick to things that are really important like Hockey.

[www.mass.gov image 300x152]


I noticed the sample plate says broooo.
 
2012-12-12 02:17:35 PM

Somacandra: URAPNIS: We have Helping Schools tags. Should we also have fark The Schools tags?

There are support wilderness plates and university sports teams plates--so that a chunk of that money goes to support state education and natural resource management. Schools are public institutions. I don't have a problem with adopting a plate to raise money for a public institution. Political messages are different it seems.


Bingo.
 
2012-12-12 02:17:48 PM
lulz if they're manufactured by death row inmates
 
2012-12-12 02:18:27 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: TwistedIvory

Choose life. But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life: I chose something else.


And the reasons?

There are no reasons.


But I want a big farking television.
 
2012-12-12 02:19:28 PM

Pincy: Even With A Chainsaw: How exactly is it unconstitutional for a state to offer a license plate from one side of a political argument and not from another?

Seriously I don't get it.

Why are states even doing this sort of thing? Oh ya, to make money by selling more expensive customized plates to people. Go ahead, buy your "choose life" plates. You're just giving the state more money to spend on other people.


I agree that these sorts of plates are just a way for states to make some extra cash and it seems silly that they're in that business in the first place, but I still don't see how it violates the constitution.
 
2012-12-12 02:20:05 PM

CapeFearCadaver: Even With A Chainsaw: How exactly is it unconstitutional for a state to offer a license plate from one side of a political argument and not from another?

Seriously I don't get it.

Study. It. Out.

/heh, I've always wanted to say that


This made me chuckle.
 
2012-12-12 02:23:48 PM
Personally I think the kids need to be given a fighting chance. Surface to Doctor missile defense system or outsourced heavyweight champion boxer.
 
2012-12-12 02:26:12 PM

tricycleracer


But I want a big farking television.


I assume you already have the electrical tin opener, matching luggage, and the three-piece suite in a range of f*cking fabrics.
 
2012-12-12 02:27:17 PM
Maybe the following license plate caption could get the point across to those who are wondering why it is wrong to portray just one side of a controversial opinion:

VOTE DEMOCRAT

But provide no option for any other party. I am sure no one would have any issue with that, right?
 
2012-12-12 02:28:01 PM

DubyaHater: Being pro-choice and living in Roanoke, VA, I don't think I'd put a "Respect Choice" plate on my car........unless I want a key or two dragged across the paint.


Even if it was a beater car, and you adapted one of those Harbor Freight fly swatters to charge up the body of your car relative to the puddle you would park in? (ground strap in puddle, hot to car body)


/pour some salt in the puddle
//make an awesome YouTube video
 
2012-12-12 02:28:04 PM

fruitloop: keylock71: Pffft....If I'm going to pay extra for a license plate, I'll stick to things that are really important like Hockey.

[www.mass.gov image 300x152]

I noticed the sample plate says broooo.


Lol... I still prefer this bear, though. : )

www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com
 
2012-12-12 02:28:19 PM
I don't get it. I'm pro-choice (I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mind)

I would still encourage choosing life whenever possible and the plate references that choice. It doesn't say PRO Life, it says CHOOSE life. Simply an encouraging statement. Shouldn't we choose life whenever possible and encourage (not force) those of around us to do the same?

I really think it is a lot to do over nothing.
 
2012-12-12 02:29:47 PM

Hoblit: I don't get it. I'm pro-choice (I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mind)

I would still encourage choosing life whenever possible and the plate references that choice. It doesn't say PRO Life, it says CHOOSE life. Simply an encouraging statement. Shouldn't we choose life whenever possible and encourage (not force) those of around us to do the same?

I really think it is a lot to do over nothing.


I'm guessing you also think the Confederate flag doesn't represent racism?
 
2012-12-12 02:30:25 PM
I have a novel idea. Lets offer thing people may want, let them choose what they want to purchase, try not to get our selves so farking offended m and finally keep the farking government out of my choices. Strangely this works for both sides of the argument.
 
2012-12-12 02:30:34 PM
Can we please stop the license plate insanity now? How about... each state has one license plate. No choices, no special interests, just pay your registration fee and GTFO.

Also, can someone please register a "Choose Life" plate so that it suggest life without parole, life sentence, life boats, life savers, life of pi, life insurance, etc?

Choose Life
SAVERS

seems like a winner to me.
 
2012-12-12 02:31:02 PM
www.dot.wisconsin.gov
 
2012-12-12 02:31:18 PM

Netrngr: I have a novel idea. Lets offer thing people may want, let them choose what they want to purchase, try not to get our selves so farking offended m and finally keep the farking government out of my choices. Strangely this works for both sides of the argument.


You do realize that the government issues license plates, right? Kind of hard to keep government out of your choice of plate.
 
2012-12-12 02:32:04 PM

BoxOfBees: Can we please stop the license plate insanity now? How about... each state has one license plate. No choices, no special interests, just pay your registration fee and GTFO.


Well, that's the way it used to be until the state figured out they can charge people more money for custom plates.
 
2012-12-12 02:32:05 PM
I'm not sure if it's still available here but my sister got this plate:

www.plannedparenthood.org 

It was actually a plate sponsored and designed by Planned Parenthood.
 
2012-12-12 02:32:08 PM
Those that choose life are pro choice.

You get to choose, which is the whole point of being pro choice.
 
2012-12-12 02:33:25 PM

KatjaMouse: I'm not sure if it's still available here but my sister got this plate:

[www.plannedparenthood.org image 315x163] 

It was actually a plate sponsored and designed by Planned Parenthood.


Wow, in Virginia even? How the hell did that see the light of day?
 
2012-12-12 02:33:28 PM
All vanity and specialty plates are stupid. What a waste of time and effort. Do we really need to make a statement about anything with our car's license plate? The question is rhetorical.
 
2012-12-12 02:33:51 PM

Pincy: Hoblit: I don't get it. I'm pro-choice (I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mind)

I would still encourage choosing life whenever possible and the plate references that choice. It doesn't say PRO Life, it says CHOOSE life. Simply an encouraging statement. Shouldn't we choose life whenever possible and encourage (not force) those of around us to do the same?

I really think it is a lot to do over nothing.

I'm guessing you also think the Confederate flag doesn't represent racism?


And im guessing the better part of you made a stain on the back seat of a cheap used import.
 
2012-12-12 02:34:09 PM

reillan: [www.oktax.state.ok.us image 340x162]

hope we're next...


Anything to promote Sampo ownership. As long as I get one.
 
2012-12-12 02:34:16 PM

Netrngr: Pincy: Hoblit: I don't get it. I'm pro-choice (I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mind)

I would still encourage choosing life whenever possible and the plate references that choice. It doesn't say PRO Life, it says CHOOSE life. Simply an encouraging statement. Shouldn't we choose life whenever possible and encourage (not force) those of around us to do the same?

I really think it is a lot to do over nothing.

I'm guessing you also think the Confederate flag doesn't represent racism?

And im guessing the better part of you made a stain on the back seat of a cheap used import.


In other words, "yes".
 
2012-12-12 02:34:37 PM
The Daily Show is taping in about an hour and will have this tonight.
 
2012-12-12 02:34:55 PM

Rufus Lee King: ciberido: Rufus Lee King: TheNewJesus: how about "Please choose to key my car because I am a self righteous douche"

See? This illustrates my point perfectly.

I'm sorry, what was your point that this illustrates? I didn't realize you had a point to make. I thought you were only asking an honest question with your earlier post.

I really don't know how to put it more simply.

I feel that it is hypocritical to to call suppression of other people's opinions "free speech".

I also feel that wanting to "key" someone's car because you don't like what the license plate says is borderline psychotic.


You're right it IS hypocritical to call the suppression of other people's opinions "free speech" so why didn't the NC legislature give the opposite opnion a choice of license plate? I think you are trolling misunderstanding the ruling. The state can either sell both plates or neither plate. If the state chooses neither, how is that suppression of anything?
 
2012-12-12 02:35:36 PM

Rufus Lee King: Pincy: I'm guessing you also think the Confederate flag doesn't represent racism?

Oh, Christ. Here it goes.


Sorry, wasn't trying to start a Confederate flag flame fest here, just pointing out that Netrngr is being (purposefully?) obtuse.
 
2012-12-12 02:35:37 PM

Rufus Lee King: "This is a great victory for the free speech rights of all North Carolinians.", said Chris Brook of the ACLU.

Rufus Lee King: Really? How does that follow? People have the right to free expression until someone says something that you don't agree with?


Perhaps you missed the part in the article where North Carolina rejected the "Respect Choice" license plate.

That means that the state is supporting you in expressing a Pro-Life point of view, but denying you a similar expression of a Pro-Choice point of view.

The judicial order requires the state to either allow both, or deny both, but not promote one view over the other.
 
2012-12-12 02:36:37 PM

pseudoscience: I know others have said this, but isn't "Choose Life" a pro-choice statement?


This would be similar to the way a VOTE LIBERTARIAN sign is actually a Pro-Democratic sign?
 
2012-12-12 02:38:06 PM

Diogenes: Yeah, I was thinking of a good counter proposal to the Choose Life plates we have here in FL. "Kill More Babies" seemed a bit too over the top. But I think your "Eat The Kids First" idea has legs. Delicious, tender, young legs.


Now, now, there's no need to focus on the youngest of the lot!

Even by Jonathan Swift's time, the use of the "digestor" (what we now call a pressure cooker) which could render even the wiriest teen delectable, was widely known:

by which the hardest bones of beef itself, and mutton, were made as soft as cheese, without water or other liquor, and with less than eight ounces of coals, producing an incredible quantity of gravy; and for close of all, a jelly made of the bones of beef, the best for clearness and good relish, and the most delicious that I had ever seen, or tasted.

Waste not, want not!
 
2012-12-12 02:38:32 PM

Pincy: KatjaMouse: I'm not sure if it's still available here but my sister got this plate:

[www.plannedparenthood.org image 315x163] 

It was actually a plate sponsored and designed by Planned Parenthood.

Wow, in Virginia even? How the hell did that see the light of day?


Planned Parenthood generated enough signatures and donations to qualify and when the plate was approved most of the people who pledged money for the effort went down to the DMV and got it. Then there was a crap ton of backlash and I've never seen the plate on display in the DMV lobby since so I don't know if it is still available. If it turns out it is I think I'll get it.
 
2012-12-12 02:39:55 PM
Yup. Actually looked it up, now. The Planned Parenthood VA plate is still available but apparently only if you know to ask for it at the counter.
 
2012-12-12 02:41:11 PM

ISO15693: [www.coastal.ca.gov image 247x124]

There isnt a "Pollute our coast and oceans" alternative.


That pretty much goes without saying if you are driving a gasoline or diesel vehicle.
 
2012-12-12 02:41:21 PM

Lumpmoose: Except when it's:

A. Death


What about B: Cake?

graphjam.files.wordpress.com

Seems like the popular option....
 
2012-12-12 02:41:31 PM
This headline....is AWESOME
 
2012-12-12 02:41:42 PM

Pincy: Rufus Lee King: Pincy: I'm guessing you also think the Confederate flag doesn't represent racism?

Oh, Christ. Here it goes.

Sorry, wasn't trying to start a Confederate flag flame fest here, just pointing out that Netrngr is being (purposefully?) obtuse.

No just making a point bringing that up is akin to saying you are here to start something and acting like a retread. Don't try and encourage flamewars.
 
2012-12-12 02:43:33 PM
Well, Florida does let you get a license plate with a fish that is an alternative to an Atlantic species.


www.orafarm.com
 
2012-12-12 02:44:22 PM

Pincy: Netrngr: I have a novel idea. Lets offer thing people may want, let them choose what they want to purchase, try not to get our selves so farking offended m and finally keep the farking government out of my choices. Strangely this works for both sides of the argument.

You do realize that the government issues license plates, right? Kind of hard to keep government out of your choice of plate.


Yes I realize the state government offers them as a product just like any other vendor. These aren't official state plates. They are a premium that you must choose to purchase at extra expense. The argument being made would be valid if they forced you ta use the plate. as it stands its your choice to buy it or not.
 
2012-12-12 02:45:24 PM

Zasteva: Rufus Lee King: "This is a great victory for the free speech rights of all North Carolinians.", said Chris Brook of the ACLU.

Rufus Lee King: Really? How does that follow? People have the right to free expression until someone says something that you don't agree with?

Perhaps you missed the part in the article where North Carolina rejected the "Respect Choice" license plate.

That means that the state is supporting you in expressing a Pro-Life point of view, but denying you a similar expression of a Pro-Choice point of view.

The judicial order requires the state to either allow both, or deny both, but not promote one view over the other.


That's all well and good in any argument that only has two sides. Choose Heads or Tails.

Even if they print Choose Life plates and Respect Choice plates, my views are being oppressed if I believe any of the following:

Choose Life except in the case that the mother's life is in danger, then kill that babby.
Choose Life except in cases of danger to mother/rape/incest, then kill babby.
Choose Life except in cases of birf defects/danger to mother/rape/incest, then kill babby
Respect Choice unless in last trimester, then save clump of cells.
Respect Choice unless in last two trimesters, then save clump of cells.
Respect Choice, but institute programs to make potential mothers aware of alternatives
Respect Choice, but force women to undergo transvaginal ultrasounds, so they can see their clump.
Etc...

Is it the state's responsibility to print all of those plates?
Seems silly. 

This isn't about freedom of speech, this is about someone getting their panties in a bunch, which any of us could theoretically do if we can't get a license plate that says whatever our precious little snowflake minds can think up.
 
2012-12-12 02:47:31 PM

Rufus Lee King: grasse: You're right it IS hypocritical to call the suppression of other people's opinions "free speech" so why didn't the NC legislature give the opposite opnion a choice of license plate? I think you are trolling misunderstanding the ruling. The state can either sell both plates or neither plate. If the state chooses neither, how is that suppression of anything?

See? There it is again. I have a different opinion, so I am "trolling".


No you're being puposely obtuse, that's why you seem to be trolling. The concept isn't hard here, allow both sides of the debate a license plate or neither. You are saying suppressing one side is hypocritical, without taking into account that the "Choose Life" side is the one doing to suppression
 
2012-12-12 02:48:13 PM

WhoopAssWayne: The crackpot liberal freeloaders are more than happy to take away someone else's free speech rights.

It is long past time we re-establish free religious speech in this country. In church. In schools. In public. The liberals have been chipping away at this basic human right for years and now we've reached this ridiculous and sad point. Free speech for them, government censored speech for anyone else.

Demand your basic free speech rights!

Stand up in your church and call out crooked politicians by name. Wear anti-abortion and scripture related clothing to your school and in public. This is your fundamental, constitutionally protected, basic human right and it must not be abridged by these extremist liberal crackpots.


img58.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-12 02:50:16 PM

WhoopAssWayne: The crackpot liberal freeloaders are more than happy to take away someone else's free speech rights.

It is long past time we re-establish free religious speech in this country. In church. In schools. In public. The liberals have been chipping away at this basic human right for years and now we've reached this ridiculous and sad point. Free speech for them, government censored speech for anyone else.

Demand your basic free speech rights!

Stand up in your church and call out crooked politicians by name. Wear anti-abortion and scripture related clothing to your school and in public. This is your fundamental, constitutionally protected, basic human right and it must not be abridged by these extremist liberal crackpots.


Hey as a crackpot liberal I'm all for this. Hell yeah stand up and preach your politics.
But hey since we are lowering that wall of separation anyway, here is your tax bill!

Deal?
 
2012-12-12 02:52:02 PM

spidermilk: Graffito: FizixJunkee: Abortion statistics:

" If current rates continue, it is estimated that 35% of all women of reproductive age in America today will have had an abortion by the time they reach the age of 45.3"

and

"Women who obtain abortions represent every religious affiliation. 13% of abortion patients describe themselves as born-again or Evangelical Christians; while 22% of U.S. women are Catholic, 27% of abortion patients say they are Catholics."

That's a lot of voters to piss off. (Not to mention their husbands and boyfriends who are likely relieved that abortion was a legal option,)

hah. I know a Catholic girl who had an abortion although she strictly does not believe in them. In her case she would claim that she had to have one because her baby would not have been healthy/viable for reasons specific to her. But she is against abortion. So yeah, as we know, people will say 'it isn't okay for you to do it because I say so' but if I need one it is totally different and fine.

She is just lucky that she was able to safely and privately get one.

So just because women have had one doesn't mean they believe in them. They will probably say it was wrong when they did it but God forgives them but never mention that they were lucky to be able to have an abortion and would do it again if they were in the same situation.

/just FYI, we are friends and I would never say these nasty things to her face. I'm sure it was a hard decision and it was her choice to make, I just wish she would admit that other people deserve the same choice.


You should stop being friends with this awful hypocrite. She sounds like a shiatty person.
 
2012-12-12 02:54:11 PM

Even With A Chainsaw: This isn't about freedom of speech, this is about someone getting their panties in a bunch, which any of us could theoretically do if we can't get a license plate that says whatever our precious little snowflake minds can think up.


I remember around 2000, when a judge ordered the state of Missouri to permit the KKK to participate in its "adopt a highway" program on the same basic rationale of this case--i.e., no viewpoint discrimination when the government creates a forum for political speech. Even though the ruling was a victory for the conservative racial point of view, progressives celebrated it as a victory for what should be the universal value of free speech.

Today, by contrast, when a judge orders a state to permit a dissenting view from the government's officially anti-choice stance, do conservatives celebrate a victory for free speech?

Of course not. This is America, after all. Instead they whine about how persecuted they are, and claim 1st Amendment supporters have their "panties in a bunch."
 
2012-12-12 02:54:20 PM

imbrial: lulz if they're manufactured by death row inmates


Especially in New Hampshire:

www.wildlife.state.nh.us
 
2012-12-12 02:55:05 PM
i thought we was in a resesion so I gots no cheddar to waste on a plate. I gots to rent me spinner rims instead!
 
2012-12-12 02:56:23 PM

Even With A Chainsaw: Zasteva: Rufus Lee King: "This is a great victory for the free speech rights of all North Carolinians.", said Chris Brook of the ACLU.

Rufus Lee King: Really? How does that follow? People have the right to free expression until someone says something that you don't agree with?

Perhaps you missed the part in the article where North Carolina rejected the "Respect Choice" license plate.

That means that the state is supporting you in expressing a Pro-Life point of view, but denying you a similar expression of a Pro-Choice point of view.

The judicial order requires the state to either allow both, or deny both, but not promote one view over the other.

That's all well and good in any argument that only has two sides. Choose Heads or Tails.

Even if they print Choose Life plates and Respect Choice plates, my views are being oppressed if I believe any of the following:

Choose Life except in the case that the mother's life is in danger, then kill that babby.
Choose Life except in cases of danger to mother/rape/incest, then kill babby.
Choose Life except in cases of birf defects/danger to mother/rape/incest, then kill babby
Respect Choice unless in last trimester, then save clump of cells.
Respect Choice unless in last two trimesters, then save clump of cells.
Respect Choice, but institute programs to make potential mothers aware of alternatives
Respect Choice, but force women to undergo transvaginal ultrasounds, so they can see their clump.
Etc...

Is it the state's responsibility to print all of those plates?
Seems silly. 

This isn't about freedom of speech, this is about someone getting their panties in a bunch, which any of us could theoretically do if we can't get a license plate that says whatever our precious little snowflake minds can think up.


Yes. If the state is going to sponsor political speech, it has to sponsor all or nothing. That's why NC is stupid for doing this in the first place. Mass. has the right idea, you can have whatever stupid plate you want if you can get $100,000.00 to fund a bond for it.

The people with their panties in a bunch are the assholes who feel that everyone who drives behind them needs to know their political opinions.
 
2012-12-12 02:56:29 PM

Netrngr: Pincy: Rufus Lee King: Pincy: I'm guessing you also think the Confederate flag doesn't represent racism?

Oh, Christ. Here it goes.

Sorry, wasn't trying to start a Confederate flag flame fest here, just pointing out that Netrngr is being (purposefully?) obtuse.
No just making a point bringing that up is akin to saying you are here to start something and acting like a retread. Don't try and encourage flamewars.


Again, you are missing the point entirely. And leave my tires out of this.
 
2012-12-12 02:58:35 PM

SpiderQueenDemon: Virginia has a 'Trust Women' pro-choice plate. I thought it was nice, kind of like saying "It's okay, guys, I have a uterus and I know what I'm doing here, if I can be a good mom, I'll have the kid, but if not, you have to trust me. I've got this one."

Of course, being a contentious issue, I was hesitant. Sure, I know how to buff out a scratch, but you can only fix paint so many times.

But then I saw that they had one with a kitty and a doggie on it that benefits animal shelters, so that's what I wound up picking for the station wagon, my husband chose one of the general-aviation ones with an airplane on it for the coupe and the minivan got an alumni-association plate with our college logo. Nobody objects to animals, airplanes or to your alumni plate (unless you went to Penn State, which we didn't, and that's kind of blown over...or Duke...) and if I really need street cred at some kind of vehicular abortion debate, I can always impale a foam-rubber fetus on the antenna I fixed with a coat hanger and carry on about my day.


"Trust Women"?

I demand a "Don't trust anything that bleeds for 5 days and doesn't die" plate in response!

/isn't the animal shelter plate the one with the kitten and puppy hugging? That promotes interspecies mating!
 
2012-12-12 02:58:47 PM

Tman144: Yes. If the state is going to sponsor political speech, it has to sponsor all or nothing


I think NC can legitimately deny those on neutral space considerations. If he can come up with pithy two word summaries of those viewpoints, he might have a case.
 
2012-12-12 02:59:44 PM

Netrngr: Pincy: Netrngr: I have a novel idea. Lets offer thing people may want, let them choose what they want to purchase, try not to get our selves so farking offended m and finally keep the farking government out of my choices. Strangely this works for both sides of the argument.

You do realize that the government issues license plates, right? Kind of hard to keep government out of your choice of plate.

Yes I realize the state government offers them as a product just like any other vendor. These aren't official state plates. They are a premium that you must choose to purchase at extra expense. The argument being made would be valid if they forced you ta use the plate. as it stands its your choice to buy it or not.


Wow, just wow. First, the state is not just like any other vendor. If they were just like any other vendor then I would be able to purchase a plate from any other vendor. Second, yes, they can't force you to purchase a customized plate but they force you into the limited options you have for customized plates because they are the only one who can issue said plates.

This really isn't that hard. The state has a monopoly over license plates. Thus, the state will always be involved in what choices you have for customized plates.
 
2012-12-12 03:00:14 PM

deanis: [www.dot.wisconsin.gov image 200x102]


That should actually say "Packers, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" on the bottom. And Mike and the Bots should be riffing on the tag number.
 
2012-12-12 03:01:17 PM

Somacandra: LaraAmber: Wear anti-abortion and scripture related clothing to your school and in public. This is your fundamental, constitutionally protected, basic human right

/[ACLU] Approves.


Right. A PDF of the decision.

The key issue is whether the speech on the license plate is government speech or private speech in a forum created by the government for private speech. If it is the G talking, it can pretty much say what it wants as long as it doesn't establish religion. But if the G creates a public forum for private speech, it may not discriminate based on viewpoint absent a compelling governmental interest.

The court figured that with all those plates to choose from, it was private speech. Is the answer the same if the state offers only two message plates along with the plain numbers, and one of them is Choose Life and the other Famous Potatoes?
 
2012-12-12 03:03:58 PM

KatjaMouse: I'm not sure if it's still available here but my sister got this plate:

[www.plannedparenthood.org image 315x163] 

It was actually a plate sponsored and designed by Planned Parenthood.


Still available.
 
2012-12-12 03:06:29 PM

Even With A Chainsaw: Even if they print Choose Life plates and Respect Choice plates, my views are being oppressed if I believe any of the following:

Choose Life except in the case that the mother's life is in danger, then kill that babby.
Choose Life except in cases of danger to mother/rape/incest, then kill babby.
Choose Life except in cases of birf defects/danger to mother/rape/incest, then kill babby
Respect Choice unless in last trimester, then save clump of cells.
Respect Choice unless in last two trimesters, then save clump of cells.
Respect Choice, but institute programs to make potential mothers aware of alternatives
Respect Choice, but force women to undergo transvaginal ultrasounds, so they can see their clump.
Etc...

Is it the state's responsibility to print all of those plates?
Seems silly.


It does seem silly -- the subscript would be too small to read.

Also, you forgot "Thank God for Rape Babies!!" :-)

All of your examples were neatly summarized by their first 2 words, and can be grouped into opposing sides based on that.

Personally I would rather just see neither side represented, that's what bumper stickers are for.
 
2012-12-12 03:10:50 PM

mittromneysdog: Tman144: Yes. If the state is going to sponsor political speech, it has to sponsor all or nothing

I think NC can legitimately deny those on neutral space considerations. If he can come up with pithy two word summaries of those viewpoints, he might have a case.


I think that's part of the point: There's a ton of nuances and complexities to the abortion argument. To boil it down to a license plate slogan seems retarded.

That's where my "precious little snowflakes with their panties in a bunch" thing came from - it's about those people who just have to tell the world their black and white viewpoints via an incredibly idiotic medium, and if they can't buy the plate that fits their views, well by-golly they're GONNA SUE! It wasn't about conservatives vs liberals, man. It was about idiots.
 
2012-12-12 03:14:14 PM

mittromneysdog: Even With A Chainsaw: This isn't about freedom of speech, this is about someone getting their panties in a bunch, which any of us could theoretically do if we can't get a license plate that says whatever our precious little snowflake minds can think up.

I remember around 2000, when a judge ordered the state of Missouri to permit the KKK to participate in its "adopt a highway" program on the same basic rationale of this case--i.e., no viewpoint discrimination when the government creates a forum for political speech. Even though the ruling was a victory for the conservative racial point of view, progressives celebrated it as a victory for what should be the universal value of free speech.

Today, by contrast, when a judge orders a state to permit a dissenting view from the government's officially anti-choice stance, do conservatives celebrate a victory for free speech?

Of course not. This is America, after all. Instead they whine about how persecuted they are, and claim 1st Amendment supporters have their "panties in a bunch."


The right to cars?
 
2012-12-12 03:15:52 PM
Abortion is Murder.

www.abort73.com

"Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated."
-- Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood

"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population. And the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."
-- Margaret Sanger, also founder of the Negro Project
 
2012-12-12 03:19:57 PM

letrole: "Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated."
-- Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood


"I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And in as much as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."
-- Abraham Lincoln

People can be wrong about things and still do good.
 
2012-12-12 03:21:03 PM

DubyaHater: Being pro-choice and living in Roanoke, VA, I don't think I'd put a "Respect Choice" plate on my car........unless I want a key or two dragged across the paint.


Why stay in a place where you have to hide who you are or face vandalism (and worse)? I left Kentucky for the Philadelphia suburbs over 15 years ago, and looking back think it was one of the best decisions of my life.

There was some culture shock, but the majority was from good surprises, as peoples' warnings and my own preconceived fears turned out to be wrong.
 
2012-12-12 03:21:34 PM
FESTIVUS FOR THE REST OF US!!
 
2012-12-12 03:22:03 PM

Deucednuisance: Lumpmoose: Except when it's:

A. Death

What about B: Cake?

[graphjam.files.wordpress.com image 500x265]

Seems like the popular option....


The cake is a lie.
 
2012-12-12 03:23:14 PM
The only specialty plate that's useful is the 'Organ Donor' plate.
Lets the ambulance drivers know to keep that heart pumpin', at least til they reach the hospital.

/Tho I suppose someone in need of a transplant might try to run you off the road...
"Hey, You - What's your blood type?... Really?..." *crash*
 
2012-12-12 03:24:01 PM

Even With A Chainsaw: mittromneysdog: Tman144: Yes. If the state is going to sponsor political speech, it has to sponsor all or nothing

I think NC can legitimately deny those on neutral space considerations. If he can come up with pithy two word summaries of those viewpoints, he might have a case.

I think that's part of the point: There's a ton of nuances and complexities to the abortion argument. To boil it down to a license plate slogan seems retarded.

That's where my "precious little snowflakes with their panties in a bunch" thing came from - it's about those people who just have to tell the world their black and white viewpoints via an incredibly idiotic medium, and if they can't buy the plate that fits their views, well by-golly they're GONNA SUE! It wasn't about conservatives vs liberals, man. It was about idiots.


If you want to advertise your political opinions on your car, buy a bumper sticker. For the State Government to try and issue only one side of a highly contentious, political argument and not the other boils down to State sponsored disapproval of legal medical procedure. All the Judge said was issue both or neither. Since the Republican led State House (and R who led/sponsored the plate in the first place) refused to allow issuance of the opposing view they can have neither. End of story.

/don't believe I had to study it out for you
 
2012-12-12 03:26:06 PM

Even With A Chainsaw: mittromneysdog: Tman144: Yes. If the state is going to sponsor political speech, it has to sponsor all or nothing

I think NC can legitimately deny those on neutral space considerations. If he can come up with pithy two word summaries of those viewpoints, he might have a case.

I think that's part of the point: There's a ton of nuances and complexities to the abortion argument. To boil it down to a license plate slogan seems retarded.

That's where my "precious little snowflakes with their panties in a bunch" thing came from - it's about those people who just have to tell the world their black and white viewpoints via an incredibly idiotic medium, and if they can't buy the plate that fits their views, well by-golly they're GONNA SUE! It wasn't about conservatives vs liberals, man. It was about idiots.


I agree that people who feel the need to express their political views via license plate are idiots. However, the government cannot discriminate against one group of idiots while supporting another. Besides, what's wrong with a lawsuit? It's how civilized people settle disputes.
 
2012-12-12 03:30:16 PM
Zasteva: People can be wrong about things and still do good.

Murdering millions of negroes is what she intended, and murdering millions of negroes is what was achieved.

What an odd notion of 'doing good'.
 
2012-12-12 03:37:58 PM

letrole: Zasteva: People can be wrong about things and still do good.

Murdering millions of negroes is what she intended, and murdering millions of negroes is what was achieved.

What an odd notion of 'doing good'.


9/10 -- your name kind of gives it away.
 
2012-12-12 03:45:18 PM

Zasteva: Margaret Sanger


Well that and Margret Sanger never actually said that! She thought whites superior to blacks as a race, but she also thought they should have access to birth control.
 
2012-12-12 03:56:25 PM

Zasteva: letrole: Zasteva: People can be wrong about things and still do good.

Murdering millions of negroes is what she intended, and murdering millions of negroes is what was achieved.

What an odd notion of 'doing good'.

9/10 -- your name kind of gives it away.


I think that is part of the fun for him, he likes to see who will bite when he outright tells them he is trolling.
 
2012-12-12 03:57:15 PM

WhoopAssWayne: The crackpot liberal freeloaders are more than happy to take away someone else's free speech rights.

It is long past time we re-establish free religious speech in this country. In church. In schools. In public. The liberals have been chipping away at this basic human right for years and now we've reached this ridiculous and sad point. Free speech for them, government censored speech for anyone else.

Demand your basic free speech rights!

Stand up in your church and call out crooked politicians by name. Wear anti-abortion and scripture related clothing to your school and in public. This is your fundamental, constitutionally protected, basic human right and it must not be abridged by these extremist liberal crackpots.


3/10
 
2012-12-12 04:00:14 PM
The options in Virginia are almost ridiculous.

www.dmv.virginia.gov

www.dmv.virginia.gov

www.dmv.virginia.gov

www.dmv.virginia.gov

www.dmv.virginia.gov

www.dmv.virginia.gov

www.dmv.virginia.gov

www.dmv.virginia.gov
 
2012-12-12 04:02:21 PM
Judge: "he State's offering a Choose Life license plate in the absence of a pro-choice alternative constitutes viewpoint discrimination in violation of the First Amendment."


That's just poppycock, judge.

/Poopycock
 
2012-12-12 04:03:18 PM

ZAZ: TheSelphie: Massachusetts of all places has these.

Massachusetts is conflicted because the Boston area is very Catholic. Catholics are the liberal wing of the Christian party most of the time, but very conservative on abortion. We also have a lot of CINO who dutifully go to mass but act like ordinary sinners the rest of the week/month/year.


Oh, you don't have to tell me. Was born and raised Catholic, my great-aunt is a former nun and now serves on the Board of one of the major pro-life orgs in the state, and many of my other relatives are vehemently pro-life. They are literally one-issue voters.
 
2012-12-12 04:04:53 PM
Why are state governments promoting any religious viewpoint, at all?
 
2012-12-12 04:05:45 PM

FormlessOne: Why are state governments promoting any religious viewpoint, at all?


Because socialism is on the march!
 
2012-12-12 04:06:29 PM

FormlessOne: Why are state governments promoting any religious viewpoint, at all?


Because they can make money off of the custom plate fees.
 
2012-12-12 04:10:09 PM

CapeFearCadaver: Even With A Chainsaw: mittromneysdog: Tman144: Yes. If the state is going to sponsor political speech, it has to sponsor all or nothing

I think NC can legitimately deny those on neutral space considerations. If he can come up with pithy two word summaries of those viewpoints, he might have a case.

I think that's part of the point: There's a ton of nuances and complexities to the abortion argument. To boil it down to a license plate slogan seems retarded.

That's where my "precious little snowflakes with their panties in a bunch" thing came from - it's about those people who just have to tell the world their black and white viewpoints via an incredibly idiotic medium, and if they can't buy the plate that fits their views, well by-golly they're GONNA SUE! It wasn't about conservatives vs liberals, man. It was about idiots.

If you want to advertise your political opinions on your car, buy a bumper sticker.


This.

For the State Government to try and issue only one side of a highly contentious, political argument and not the other boils down to State sponsored disapproval of legal medical procedure.

So the argument is that if the government allows a forum for speech to exist, it must allow the same degree of speech to exist in that forum as in all other forums? I can see that making sense, although the speech is already restricted based on space allowed, and all those plates they ban for being "offensive." I think you can't possibly get the same degree of "free speech" on a plate as is guaranteed by the constitution. You'd still be limited by the plates produced by the state.

End of story.

/don't believe I had to study it out for you


I guess Fark is too used to people with set in stone opinions or outright trolls. I came in asking to be convinced and presented some opposing viewpoints. Do you make good arguments? Sure, but I specifically asked how it was "unconstitutional" that a state made a plate that said Choose Life. Since there isn't a right to cars, I'm not sure how car accessories fall under the constitution.

This doesn't mean that I agree that the state has any business in making these plates, and yes, I think that if they're making "one side" they should make the other. I just don't get the constitutional angle.
 
2012-12-12 04:11:34 PM

Beowoolfie: DubyaHater: Being pro-choice and living in Roanoke, VA, I don't think I'd put a "Respect Choice" plate on my car........unless I want a key or two dragged across the paint.

Why stay in a place where you have to hide who you are or face vandalism (and worse)? I left Kentucky for the Philadelphia suburbs over 15 years ago, and looking back think it was one of the best decisions of my life.

There was some culture shock, but the majority was from good surprises, as peoples' warnings and my own preconceived fears turned out to be wrong.


My chosen occupation makes it difficult to find a job. I'm sort of stuck here.
 
2012-12-12 04:12:24 PM
Choose Life is now a hateful thing?

I believe you're so f*cked up in your head you can add two and two and get ObamaPotatoes™
 
2012-12-12 04:12:49 PM

FormlessOne: Why are state governments promoting any religious viewpoint, at all?



Why is this *necessarily* a religious issue?
 
2012-12-12 04:14:08 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Choose Life is now a hateful thing?

I believe you're so f*cked up in your head you can add two and two and get ObamaPotatoes™



Maybe it might make the wimmins that offed their offspring "feel bad"?
 
2012-12-12 04:18:20 PM

vpb: I would think a choose death license plate would do will in the bible belt, as long as they though it referred to war, the second amendment, the death penalty, black people, Muslims, liberals, Mexicans, the French, Gays, union members, the UN, Anyone who doesn't like Israel, Jews, Mormons*, Europeans or Asians. And probably some more that I forgot.

(*Temporarily acceptable)


0/10

Trying too hard
 
2012-12-12 04:19:37 PM
adweek.blogs.com

Promoting starch, carbohydrates and making people FAT, are we, Idaho?

Wait 'til the ACLU and the Onion Growers Association get through with you!
 
2012-12-12 04:20:51 PM

Amos Quito: FormlessOne: Why are state governments promoting any religious viewpoint, at all?


Why is this *necessarily* a religious issue?


It's a private medical issue that the state should stay the fark out of.
 
2012-12-12 04:24:06 PM

Even With A Chainsaw: Sure, but I specifically asked how it was "unconstitutional" that a state made a plate that said Choose Life.


It's unconstitutional because they were vehemently opposed to offering the opposing viewpoint. Somewhat among these lines:

Even With A Chainsaw: So the argument is that if the government allows a forum for speech to exist, it must allow the same degree of speech to exist in that forum as in all other forums?


Much like offering protest permits to organizations such as the KKK or WBC. Even though most people on all sides disagree with their messages. If you as a State Government are going to give protest permits that are anti-war, you must also give protest permits to pro-war. Issue them all or none.

You can't create one avenue yet restrict the other avenue when it comes to a State's response to free speech.
 
2012-12-12 04:24:44 PM

Even With A Chainsaw: I guess Fark is too used to people with set in stone opinions or outright trolls. I came in asking to be convinced and presented some opposing viewpoints. Do you make good arguments? Sure, but I specifically asked how it was "unconstitutional" that a state made a plate that said Choose Life. Since there isn't a right to cars, I'm not sure how car accessories fall under the constitution.

This doesn't mean that I agree that the state has any business in making these plates, and yes, I think that if they're making "one side" they should make the other. I just don't get the constitutional angle.


I can't find this specific decision but other cases involving "viewpoint neutrality" refer to the Cornelius v. NAACP case in front of the US Supreme Court in 1985:

Control over access to a nonpublic forum can be based on subject matter and speaker identity so long as the distinctions drawn are reasonable in light of the purpose served by the forum and are viewpoint neutral. Perry Education Assn., supra, at 49. Although a speaker may be excluded from a nonpublic forum if he wishes to address a topic not encompassed within the purpose of the forum, see Lehman v. City of Shaker Heights, 418 U.S. 298 (1974), or if he is not a member of the class of speakers for whose especial benefit the forum was created, see Perry Education Assn., supra, the government violates the First Amendment when it denies access to a speaker solely to suppress the point of view he espouses on an otherwise includible subject.
 
2012-12-12 04:25:36 PM

CapeFearCadaver: It's unconstitutional because they were vehemently opposed to offering refusing to offer the opposing viewpoint.


ftfm
 
2012-12-12 04:36:14 PM

Pincy: Hoblit: I don't get it. I'm pro-choice (I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mind)

I would still encourage choosing life whenever possible and the plate references that choice. It doesn't say PRO Life, it says CHOOSE life. Simply an encouraging statement. Shouldn't we choose life whenever possible and encourage (not force) those of around us to do the same?

I really think it is a lot to do over nothing.

I'm guessing you also think the Confederate flag doesn't represent racism?


Wow, you're a dense one aren't you. You claim to be pro-choice yet get mad when someone promotes one of those choices over the other.
 
2012-12-12 04:37:47 PM

giftedmadness: Pincy: Hoblit: I don't get it. I'm pro-choice (I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mind)

I would still encourage choosing life whenever possible and the plate references that choice. It doesn't say PRO Life, it says CHOOSE life. Simply an encouraging statement. Shouldn't we choose life whenever possible and encourage (not force) those of around us to do the same?

I really think it is a lot to do over nothing.

I'm guessing you also think the Confederate flag doesn't represent racism?

Wow, you're a dense one aren't you. You claim to be pro-choice yet get mad when someone promotes one of those choices over the other.


Another person with no critical thinking skills.
 
2012-12-12 04:39:19 PM

Even With A Chainsaw: I guess Fark is too used to people with set in stone opinions or outright trolls. I came in asking to be convinced and presented some opposing viewpoints. Do you make good arguments? Sure, but I specifically asked how it was "unconstitutional" that a state made a plate that said Choose Life. Since there isn't a right to cars, I'm not sure how car accessories fall under the constitution.

This doesn't mean that I agree that the state has any business in making these plates, and yes, I think that if they're making "one side" they should make the other. I just don't get the constitutional angle.


By creating a forum for people to express private views, then suppressing some of those views in favor of others.

Frankly it seems silly for the government to create a forum on license plates, but they did.

Also, whether something exists as a right or not depends on what view you take of the nature of rights. Are rights something we have intrinsically, and the Constitution explicitly restricts the government from attempting to take away, or are they something that we don't have and are granted to us by government?
 
2012-12-12 04:39:43 PM

CapeFearCadaver: Even With A Chainsaw: Sure, but I specifically asked how it was "unconstitutional" that a state made a plate that said Choose Life.

It's unconstitutional because they were vehemently opposed to offering the opposing viewpoint. Somewhat among these lines:

Even With A Chainsaw: So the argument is that if the government allows a forum for speech to exist, it must allow the same degree of speech to exist in that forum as in all other forums?

Much like offering protest permits to organizations such as the KKK or WBC. Even though most people on all sides disagree with their messages. If you as a State Government are going to give protest permits that are anti-war, you must also give protest permits to pro-war. Issue them all or none.

You can't create one avenue yet restrict the other avenue when it comes to a State's response to free speech.


Got it. Alright, makes sense to me.
 
2012-12-12 04:41:24 PM

Zasteva: Rufus Lee King: "This is a great victory for the free speech rights of all North Carolinians.", said Chris Brook of the ACLU.

Rufus Lee King: Really? How does that follow? People have the right to free expression until someone says something that you don't agree with?

Perhaps you missed the part in the article where North Carolina rejected the "Respect Choice" license plate.

That means that the state is supporting you in expressing a Pro-Life point of view, but denying you a similar expression of a Pro-Choice point of view.

The judicial order requires the state to either allow both, or deny both, but not promote one view over the other.


Choose Life is a pro-choice point of view!
 
2012-12-12 04:43:21 PM

Even With A Chainsaw: CapeFearCadaver: Even With A Chainsaw: Sure, but I specifically asked how it was "unconstitutional" that a state made a plate that said Choose Life.

It's unconstitutional because they were vehemently opposed to offering the opposing viewpoint. Somewhat among these lines:

Even With A Chainsaw: So the argument is that if the government allows a forum for speech to exist, it must allow the same degree of speech to exist in that forum as in all other forums?

Much like offering protest permits to organizations such as the KKK or WBC. Even though most people on all sides disagree with their messages. If you as a State Government are going to give protest permits that are anti-war, you must also give protest permits to pro-war. Issue them all or none.

You can't create one avenue yet restrict the other avenue when it comes to a State's response to free speech.

Got it. Alright, makes sense to me.


Yay. Here's your beer:

brainofjay.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-12 04:49:49 PM

giftedmadness: That means that the state is supporting you in expressing a Pro-Life point of view, but denying you a similar expression of a Pro-Choice point of view.

The judicial order requires the state to either allow both, or deny both, but not promote one view over the other.

Choose Life is a pro-choice point of view!


No, it isn't.

"Choose Life" is a directive about what to choose -- life for your unborn child verses abortion.

"Respect Choice", by contrast is a directive that people should be respected and allowed make whatever choice they wish for their unborn child, life or abortion.

Hint: if they are telling you what to choice, they aren't supporting your right to make the choice.
 
2012-12-12 04:53:17 PM

Netrngr:

Yes I realize the state government offers them as a product just like any other vendor. These aren't official state plates. They are a premium that you must choose to purchase at extra expense. The argument being made would be valid if they forced you ta use the plate. as it stands its your choice to buy it or not.


This would be news to your state legislature, your DMV, and your state troopers. They are issued by the state, they are made by the state, they meet the requirements for your vehicle to be on the road legally, must be surrendered to the state when no longer in use, and in any possible definition are "official state plates". These aren't coming from the Franklin Mint.
 
2012-12-12 04:59:44 PM

Pincy: giftedmadness: Pincy: Hoblit: I don't get it. I'm pro-choice (I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mind)

I would still encourage choosing life whenever possible and the plate references that choice. It doesn't say PRO Life, it says CHOOSE life. Simply an encouraging statement. Shouldn't we choose life whenever possible and encourage (not force) those of around us to do the same?

I really think it is a lot to do over nothing.

I'm guessing you also think the Confederate flag doesn't represent racism?

Wow, you're a dense one aren't you. You claim to be pro-choice yet get mad when someone promotes one of those choices over the other.

Another person with no critical thinking skills.


Nice comeback.
 
2012-12-12 05:05:38 PM

Zasteva: giftedmadness: That means that the state is supporting you in expressing a Pro-Life point of view, but denying you a similar expression of a Pro-Choice point of view.

The judicial order requires the state to either allow both, or deny both, but not promote one view over the other.

Choose Life is a pro-choice point of view!

No, it isn't.

"Choose Life" is a directive about what to choose -- life for your unborn child verses abortion.

"Respect Choice", by contrast is a directive that people should be respected and allowed make whatever choice they wish for their unborn child, life or abortion.

Hint: if they are telling you what to choice, they aren't supporting your right to make the choice.


Nice mental gymnastics there. There isn't enough room on a license plate to say,....We respect your right to choose, but we hope you choose life. Get it?
 
2012-12-12 05:10:20 PM

giftedmadness: Zasteva: giftedmadness: That means that the state is supporting you in expressing a Pro-Life point of view, but denying you a similar expression of a Pro-Choice point of view.

The judicial order requires the state to either allow both, or deny both, but not promote one view over the other.

Choose Life is a pro-choice point of view!

No, it isn't.

"Choose Life" is a directive about what to choose -- life for your unborn child verses abortion.

"Respect Choice", by contrast is a directive that people should be respected and allowed make whatever choice they wish for their unborn child, life or abortion.

Hint: if they are telling you what to choice, they aren't supporting your right to make the choice.

Nice mental gymnastics there. There isn't enough room on a license plate to say,....We respect your right to choose, but we hope you choose life. Get it?


If that was truly their intent, then they should have chosen to not print the plates at all. But they chose, and a federal judge ruled that they chose poorly.
 
2012-12-12 05:13:29 PM
"Choose Life" "God is Dead"
"Abortion is Murder" "Beer makes Stupid"


I'd see "choose life" as a copyright infringement on Trainspotting.
 
2012-12-12 05:15:57 PM
grasse: Well that and Margret Sanger never actually said that! She thought whites superior to blacks as a race, but she also thought they should have access to birth control.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=margaret+sanger+human+weeds
 
2012-12-12 05:26:02 PM

letrole: grasse: Well that and Margret Sanger never actually said that! She thought whites superior to blacks as a race, but she also thought they should have access to birth control.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=margaret+sanger+human+weeds


Second link down!
 
2012-12-12 05:27:28 PM
Choose Life would seem to fully qualify as an oxymoron.
 
2012-12-12 05:36:47 PM

Rufus Lee King: I really don't know how to put it more simply.

I feel that it is hypocritical to to call suppression of other people's opinions "free speech".


Sure, but since that ISN'T what's happening here, I'm still confused about what your point is.
 
2012-12-12 05:41:55 PM

Flakeloaf: Why is a state-run agency using tax money to express an opinion, anyway? It would be different if abortion were illegal in NC because at least then there'd be some kind of backup.

In before "it's totally an expression of the sanctity of life and the rejection of all violence against your fellow man, maaaaan"


www.pjvoice.com

What a state-run (well, District-run) agency using tax money to express an opinion may look like.
 
drp
2012-12-12 05:42:21 PM

ISO15693: [www.coastal.ca.gov image 247x124]

There isnt a "Pollute our coast and oceans" alternative.


There's no free-speech reason to force the state to print license plates inciting people to commit a crime.


[www.calvet.ca.gov image 168x84]

Also no "Dishonor veterans" alternative.


Did someone ask for a "dishonor veterans" plate, meet the same requirments the "honor veterans" plate met, and then get declined? No? Odd.
 
2012-12-12 05:47:01 PM

CapeFearCadaver: Even With A Chainsaw: CapeFearCadaver: Even With A Chainsaw: Sure, but I specifically asked how it was "unconstitutional" that a state made a plate that said Choose Life.

It's unconstitutional because they were vehemently opposed to offering the opposing viewpoint. Somewhat among these lines:

Even With A Chainsaw: So the argument is that if the government allows a forum for speech to exist, it must allow the same degree of speech to exist in that forum as in all other forums?

Much like offering protest permits to organizations such as the KKK or WBC. Even though most people on all sides disagree with their messages. If you as a State Government are going to give protest permits that are anti-war, you must also give protest permits to pro-war. Issue them all or none.

You can't create one avenue yet restrict the other avenue when it comes to a State's response to free speech.

Got it. Alright, makes sense to me.

Yay. Here's your beer:

[brainofjay.files.wordpress.com image 640x480]


Good choice, haven't had that in a while.
 
2012-12-12 06:05:18 PM

Zasteva: giftedmadness: That means that the state is supporting you in expressing a Pro-Life point of view, but denying you a similar expression of a Pro-Choice point of view.

The judicial order requires the state to either allow both, or deny both, but not promote one view over the other.

Choose Life is a pro-choice point of view!

No, it isn't.

"Choose Life" is a directive about what to choose -- life for your unborn child verses abortion.

"Respect Choice", by contrast is a directive that people should be respected and allowed make whatever choice they wish for their unborn child, life or abortion.

Hint: if they are telling you what to choice, they aren't supporting your right to make the choice.


You are wrong here. It is possible to encourage some one to make a choice and respect their right to make the choice. It isn't generally done that way but encouraging someone does not automatically imply you don't respect their rights.
 
2012-12-12 06:08:30 PM

giftedmadness: Nice mental gymnastics there. There isn't enough room on a license plate to say,....We respect your right to choose, but we hope you choose life. Get it?


A better descriptive "no room to put on a plate" would be

"We tried to outlaw your other option, but failed, so until we fix that, choose life"
 
2012-12-12 06:11:47 PM
img442.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-12 06:12:56 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: giftedmadness: Nice mental gymnastics there. There isn't enough room on a license plate to say,....We respect your right to choose, but we hope you choose life. Get it?

A better descriptive "no room to put on a plate" would be

"We tried to outlaw your other option, but failed, so until we fix that, choose life"


That precludes the possibility that there are people people that agree that abortion should be legal but wouldn't have one and hope others don't.

I know it is a small subset of people but I know a couple.
 
2012-12-12 06:18:56 PM

jst3p: Vlad_the_Inaner: giftedmadness: Nice mental gymnastics there. There isn't enough room on a license plate to say,....We respect your right to choose, but we hope you choose life. Get it?

A better descriptive "no room to put on a plate" would be

"We tried to outlaw your other option, but failed, so until we fix that, choose life"

That precludes the possibility that there are people people that agree that abortion should be legal but wouldn't have one and hope others don't.

I know it is a small subset of people but I know a couple.


Were they instrumental in the design and promotion of your state's 'choose life" plates.

If not, care to characterize the people who were?

/odds are its the larger subset, eh
 
2012-12-12 06:22:26 PM

jst3p: Zasteva: giftedmadness: That means that the state is supporting you in expressing a Pro-Life point of view, but denying you a similar expression of a Pro-Choice point of view.

The judicial order requires the state to either allow both, or deny both, but not promote one view over the other.

Choose Life is a pro-choice point of view!

No, it isn't.

"Choose Life" is a directive about what to choose -- life for your unborn child verses abortion.

"Respect Choice", by contrast is a directive that people should be respected and allowed make whatever choice they wish for their unborn child, life or abortion.

Hint: if they are telling you what to choice, they aren't supporting your right to make the choice.

You are wrong here. It is possible to encourage some one to make a choice and respect their right to make the choice. It isn't generally done that way but encouraging someone does not automatically imply you don't respect their rights.


You know I have all my reasonable conversations to persuade others with people in the car behind me.

The problem is isn't respecting someone's right to make a choice or encouraging them to make a choice, it's telling them which outcome meets with your approval. If your starting point is telling them which outcome is "correct" you've just shut down all discussion. You are also telling a complete stranger with no idea their situation.

It says "Choose Life" not "Hey, before you go to the clinic, honk and I will pull over so we can talk".

What if is said "Choose Chemo?" or "Just say no to blood transfusions". Oh wait, are those private medical conditions?
 
2012-12-12 06:29:13 PM
farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2012-12-12 06:33:29 PM

giftedmadness: Zasteva: giftedmadness: That means that the state is supporting you in expressing a Pro-Life point of view, but denying you a similar expression of a Pro-Choice point of view.

The judicial order requires the state to either allow both, or deny both, but not promote one view over the other.

Choose Life is a pro-choice point of view!

No, it isn't.

"Choose Life" is a directive about what to choose -- life for your unborn child verses abortion.

"Respect Choice", by contrast is a directive that people should be respected and allowed make whatever choice they wish for their unborn child, life or abortion.

Hint: if they are telling you what to choice, they aren't supporting your right to make the choice.

Nice mental gymnastics there. There isn't enough room on a license plate to say,....We respect your right to choose, but we hope you choose life. Get it?


Yes, I got what you are saying the first time I read it earlier in the thread.

Can you honestly tell me that you believe a survey of the American populace would say that was the meaning of the "Choose Life" license plates?
 
2012-12-12 06:35:53 PM

Mouser: What a state-run (well, District-run) agency using tax money to express an opinion may look like.


Is it merely an opinion or is it fact?
 
2012-12-12 06:39:45 PM

jigger: Mouser: What a state-run (well, District-run) agency using tax money to express an opinion may look like.

Is it merely an opinion or is it fact?


Ask your Congressman.
 
2012-12-12 06:58:47 PM

jst3p: Hint: if they are telling you what to choose, they aren't supporting your right to make the choice.

You are wrong here. It is possible to encourage some one to make a choice and respect their right to make the choice. It isn't generally done that way but encouraging someone does not automatically imply you don't respect their rights.


Of course, if they ask you for your opinion, then you can legitimately say "hey, it's your decision but I think this would be best and that's what I'd recommend" without any disrespect of their right to choose.

And, it is possible to provide someone with accurate and honest information about their choices, while fully respecting their right to self-determination.

But any unsolicited attempt to influence that choice is an attempt to exert your will over their own, even if you only have their best interests at heart. The amount of pressure you apply is inversely proportionate to how much you are respecting their right to choose.

I can't imagine most women care what the guy in the car in front of them thinks they should do about their pregnancy.
 
2012-12-12 08:37:05 PM
I find it interesting that South Carolina has a crescent moon on their license plates. You know who else uses the crescent as their symbol?
 
2012-12-12 08:54:55 PM

Diogenes: God Is My Co-Pirate: Can I just say, as a feminist and mother, I'm still mildly annoyed they revoked that Eat The Kids First plate.

Yeah, I was thinking of a good counter proposal to the Choose Life plates we have here in FL. "Kill More Babies" seemed a bit too over the top. But I think your "Eat The Kids First" idea has legs. Delicious, tender, young legs.

But one serious idea I had for a counter was "Choose Choice".


I considered that one too. I'd buy one.
 
2012-12-12 09:02:31 PM

drxym: The stupid part is "pro-choice" is not "pro-death"


Fast one way ticket to the ignore. See ya!
 
2012-12-12 09:50:50 PM
That makes me want to register my car in North Carolina just to get that plate.

// My parking tag used to be #666, I miss that awesome parking tag.
 
2012-12-12 09:54:33 PM

drxym: The stupid part is "pro-choice" is not "pro-death"


No, the stupid part is that North Carolina altered its Constitution to deny the civil rights of a select few of its citizens and they called it a choice.

/On behalf of those many North Carolinians who voted against the gay marriage ban, I would like to apologize for the stupidity of our very inbred state legislature.
//My state is lovely, but Raleigh really should be nuked from orbit.
///Only way to be sure.
 
2012-12-12 10:05:21 PM

Summer Glau's Love Slave: //My state is lovely, but Raleigh really should be nuked from orbit.


You do realize that Raleigh/Wake county has been consistently blue for quite a few years now...

But by all means, enjoy the complete GOP hell without recourse if Raleigh were to be nuked from orbit and undermine any advance NC as a State has made. Also, this license plate dealio would have gone unchallenged.
 
2012-12-13 02:53:21 AM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: I find it interesting that South Carolina has a crescent moon on their license plates. You know who else uses the crescent as their symbol?


Dreamworks?
 
2012-12-13 08:22:35 AM

rikkitikkitavi: The options in Virginia are almost ridiculous.

[www.dmv.virginia.gov image 119x61]

[www.dmv.virginia.gov image 119x61]

[www.dmv.virginia.gov image 119x61]

[www.dmv.virginia.gov image 119x61]

[www.dmv.virginia.gov image 119x61]

[www.dmv.virginia.gov image 119x61]

[www.dmv.virginia.gov image 119x61]

[www.dmv.virginia.gov image 119x61]


That's all you have? The great state of Florida has 104 different plates to choose from!

/I think this whole license plate thing is getting a little ridiculous.
 
2012-12-13 10:06:01 AM

Deucednuisance: imbrial: lulz if they're manufactured by death row inmates

Especially in New Hampshire:


At least that plate gives you two viewpoints at once.
 
2012-12-13 10:08:15 AM

Tman144: Even With A Chainsaw: Zasteva: Rufus Lee King: "This is a great victory for the free speech rights of all North Carolinians.", said Chris Brook of the ACLU.

Rufus Lee King: Really? How does that follow? People have the right to free expression until someone says something that you don't agree with?

Perhaps you missed the part in the article where North Carolina rejected the "Respect Choice" license plate.

That means that the state is supporting you in expressing a Pro-Life point of view, but denying you a similar expression of a Pro-Choice point of view.

The judicial order requires the state to either allow both, or deny both, but not promote one view over the other.

That's all well and good in any argument that only has two sides. Choose Heads or Tails.

Even if they print Choose Life plates and Respect Choice plates, my views are being oppressed if I believe any of the following:

Choose Life except in the case that the mother's life is in danger, then kill that babby.
Choose Life except in cases of danger to mother/rape/incest, then kill babby.
Choose Life except in cases of birf defects/danger to mother/rape/incest, then kill babby
Respect Choice unless in last trimester, then save clump of cells.
Respect Choice unless in last two trimesters, then save clump of cells.
Respect Choice, but institute programs to make potential mothers aware of alternatives
Respect Choice, but force women to undergo transvaginal ultrasounds, so they can see their clump.
Etc...

Is it the state's responsibility to print all of those plates?
Seems silly. 

This isn't about freedom of speech, this is about someone getting their panties in a bunch, which any of us could theoretically do if we can't get a license plate that says whatever our precious little snowflake minds can think up.

Yes. If the state is going to sponsor political speech, it has to sponsor all or nothing. That's why NC is stupid for doing this in the first place. Mass. has the right idea, you can have whatever stupid plate you want if you can get $100,000.00 to fund a bond for it.

The people with their panties in a bunch are the assholes who feel that everyone who drives behind them needs to know their political opinions.


Amen. The states should just print number plates, period. Anything else can go on a gods-damned bumper sticker.

/has Florida Columbia/Challenger plate
 
2012-12-13 10:17:17 AM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: I find it interesting that South Carolina has a crescent moon on their license plates. You know who else uses the crescent as their symbol?


Dreamworks.
 
2012-12-13 10:18:49 AM

tilrman: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: I find it interesting that South Carolina has a crescent moon on their license plates. You know who else uses the crescent as their symbol?

Dreamworks?


Sorry. Missed your reply on the first pass.
 
2012-12-13 10:34:43 AM

PastaFazoole: rikkitikkitavi: The options in Virginia are almost ridiculous.

[www.dmv.virginia.gov image 119x61]

[www.dmv.virginia.gov image 119x61]

[www.dmv.virginia.gov image 119x61]

[www.dmv.virginia.gov image 119x61]

[www.dmv.virginia.gov image 119x61]

[www.dmv.virginia.gov image 119x61]

[www.dmv.virginia.gov image 119x61]

[www.dmv.virginia.gov image 119x61]

That's all you have? The great state of Florida has 104 different plates to choose from!

/I think this whole license plate thing is getting a little ridiculous.


No, we have so many more than that. rikki's list was not all inclusive. I counted 100 by the time I got to "G".

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2012-12-13 10:56:23 AM
I always thought it should be "choose choice" and have 2 crayon drawn ladies drinking at the bar...
 
2012-12-13 11:36:54 AM

Generation_D: drxym: The stupid part is "pro-choice" is not "pro-death"

Fast one way ticket to the ignore. See ya!


I have no idea what you are taking offence at, so perhaps before you go through with your pathetic act, you would care to enlighten me first.
 
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