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2012-12-12 02:14:15 PM  
Need a Choose a slow painful death plate, must be taken by CIA employee only.
 
2012-12-12 02:15:06 PM  

URAPNIS: We have Helping Schools tags. Should we also have fark The Schools tags?


You can get Crimson Tide plates, which is close enough.
 
2012-12-12 02:16:14 PM  

keylock71: Pffft....If I'm going to pay extra for a license plate, I'll stick to things that are really important like Hockey.

[www.mass.gov image 300x152]


I noticed the sample plate says broooo.
 
2012-12-12 02:17:35 PM  

Somacandra: URAPNIS: We have Helping Schools tags. Should we also have fark The Schools tags?

There are support wilderness plates and university sports teams plates--so that a chunk of that money goes to support state education and natural resource management. Schools are public institutions. I don't have a problem with adopting a plate to raise money for a public institution. Political messages are different it seems.


Bingo.
 
2012-12-12 02:17:48 PM  
lulz if they're manufactured by death row inmates
 
2012-12-12 02:18:27 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: TwistedIvory

Choose life. But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life: I chose something else.


And the reasons?

There are no reasons.


But I want a big farking television.
 
2012-12-12 02:19:28 PM  

Pincy: Even With A Chainsaw: How exactly is it unconstitutional for a state to offer a license plate from one side of a political argument and not from another?

Seriously I don't get it.

Why are states even doing this sort of thing? Oh ya, to make money by selling more expensive customized plates to people. Go ahead, buy your "choose life" plates. You're just giving the state more money to spend on other people.


I agree that these sorts of plates are just a way for states to make some extra cash and it seems silly that they're in that business in the first place, but I still don't see how it violates the constitution.
 
2012-12-12 02:20:05 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: Even With A Chainsaw: How exactly is it unconstitutional for a state to offer a license plate from one side of a political argument and not from another?

Seriously I don't get it.

Study. It. Out.

/heh, I've always wanted to say that


This made me chuckle.
 
2012-12-12 02:23:48 PM  
Personally I think the kids need to be given a fighting chance. Surface to Doctor missile defense system or outsourced heavyweight champion boxer.
 
2012-12-12 02:26:12 PM  

tricycleracer


But I want a big farking television.


I assume you already have the electrical tin opener, matching luggage, and the three-piece suite in a range of f*cking fabrics.
 
2012-12-12 02:27:17 PM  
Maybe the following license plate caption could get the point across to those who are wondering why it is wrong to portray just one side of a controversial opinion:

VOTE DEMOCRAT

But provide no option for any other party. I am sure no one would have any issue with that, right?
 
2012-12-12 02:28:01 PM  

DubyaHater: Being pro-choice and living in Roanoke, VA, I don't think I'd put a "Respect Choice" plate on my car........unless I want a key or two dragged across the paint.


Even if it was a beater car, and you adapted one of those Harbor Freight fly swatters to charge up the body of your car relative to the puddle you would park in? (ground strap in puddle, hot to car body)


/pour some salt in the puddle
//make an awesome YouTube video
 
2012-12-12 02:28:04 PM  

fruitloop: keylock71: Pffft....If I'm going to pay extra for a license plate, I'll stick to things that are really important like Hockey.

[www.mass.gov image 300x152]

I noticed the sample plate says broooo.


Lol... I still prefer this bear, though. : )

www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com
 
2012-12-12 02:28:19 PM  
I don't get it. I'm pro-choice (I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mind)

I would still encourage choosing life whenever possible and the plate references that choice. It doesn't say PRO Life, it says CHOOSE life. Simply an encouraging statement. Shouldn't we choose life whenever possible and encourage (not force) those of around us to do the same?

I really think it is a lot to do over nothing.
 
2012-12-12 02:29:47 PM  

Hoblit: I don't get it. I'm pro-choice (I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mind)

I would still encourage choosing life whenever possible and the plate references that choice. It doesn't say PRO Life, it says CHOOSE life. Simply an encouraging statement. Shouldn't we choose life whenever possible and encourage (not force) those of around us to do the same?

I really think it is a lot to do over nothing.


I'm guessing you also think the Confederate flag doesn't represent racism?
 
2012-12-12 02:30:25 PM  
I have a novel idea. Lets offer thing people may want, let them choose what they want to purchase, try not to get our selves so farking offended m and finally keep the farking government out of my choices. Strangely this works for both sides of the argument.
 
2012-12-12 02:30:34 PM  
Can we please stop the license plate insanity now? How about... each state has one license plate. No choices, no special interests, just pay your registration fee and GTFO.

Also, can someone please register a "Choose Life" plate so that it suggest life without parole, life sentence, life boats, life savers, life of pi, life insurance, etc?

Choose Life
SAVERS

seems like a winner to me.
 
2012-12-12 02:31:02 PM  
www.dot.wisconsin.gov
 
2012-12-12 02:31:18 PM  

Netrngr: I have a novel idea. Lets offer thing people may want, let them choose what they want to purchase, try not to get our selves so farking offended m and finally keep the farking government out of my choices. Strangely this works for both sides of the argument.


You do realize that the government issues license plates, right? Kind of hard to keep government out of your choice of plate.
 
2012-12-12 02:32:04 PM  

BoxOfBees: Can we please stop the license plate insanity now? How about... each state has one license plate. No choices, no special interests, just pay your registration fee and GTFO.


Well, that's the way it used to be until the state figured out they can charge people more money for custom plates.
 
2012-12-12 02:32:05 PM  
I'm not sure if it's still available here but my sister got this plate:

www.plannedparenthood.org 

It was actually a plate sponsored and designed by Planned Parenthood.
 
2012-12-12 02:32:08 PM  
Those that choose life are pro choice.

You get to choose, which is the whole point of being pro choice.
 
2012-12-12 02:33:25 PM  

KatjaMouse: I'm not sure if it's still available here but my sister got this plate:

[www.plannedparenthood.org image 315x163] 

It was actually a plate sponsored and designed by Planned Parenthood.


Wow, in Virginia even? How the hell did that see the light of day?
 
2012-12-12 02:33:28 PM  
All vanity and specialty plates are stupid. What a waste of time and effort. Do we really need to make a statement about anything with our car's license plate? The question is rhetorical.
 
2012-12-12 02:33:51 PM  

Pincy: Hoblit: I don't get it. I'm pro-choice (I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mind)

I would still encourage choosing life whenever possible and the plate references that choice. It doesn't say PRO Life, it says CHOOSE life. Simply an encouraging statement. Shouldn't we choose life whenever possible and encourage (not force) those of around us to do the same?

I really think it is a lot to do over nothing.

I'm guessing you also think the Confederate flag doesn't represent racism?


And im guessing the better part of you made a stain on the back seat of a cheap used import.
 
2012-12-12 02:34:09 PM  

reillan: [www.oktax.state.ok.us image 340x162]

hope we're next...


Anything to promote Sampo ownership. As long as I get one.
 
2012-12-12 02:34:16 PM  

Netrngr: Pincy: Hoblit: I don't get it. I'm pro-choice (I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mind)

I would still encourage choosing life whenever possible and the plate references that choice. It doesn't say PRO Life, it says CHOOSE life. Simply an encouraging statement. Shouldn't we choose life whenever possible and encourage (not force) those of around us to do the same?

I really think it is a lot to do over nothing.

I'm guessing you also think the Confederate flag doesn't represent racism?

And im guessing the better part of you made a stain on the back seat of a cheap used import.


In other words, "yes".
 
2012-12-12 02:34:37 PM  
The Daily Show is taping in about an hour and will have this tonight.
 
2012-12-12 02:34:55 PM  

Rufus Lee King: ciberido: Rufus Lee King: TheNewJesus: how about "Please choose to key my car because I am a self righteous douche"

See? This illustrates my point perfectly.

I'm sorry, what was your point that this illustrates? I didn't realize you had a point to make. I thought you were only asking an honest question with your earlier post.

I really don't know how to put it more simply.

I feel that it is hypocritical to to call suppression of other people's opinions "free speech".

I also feel that wanting to "key" someone's car because you don't like what the license plate says is borderline psychotic.


You're right it IS hypocritical to call the suppression of other people's opinions "free speech" so why didn't the NC legislature give the opposite opnion a choice of license plate? I think you are trolling misunderstanding the ruling. The state can either sell both plates or neither plate. If the state chooses neither, how is that suppression of anything?
 
2012-12-12 02:35:36 PM  

Rufus Lee King: Pincy: I'm guessing you also think the Confederate flag doesn't represent racism?

Oh, Christ. Here it goes.


Sorry, wasn't trying to start a Confederate flag flame fest here, just pointing out that Netrngr is being (purposefully?) obtuse.
 
2012-12-12 02:35:37 PM  

Rufus Lee King: "This is a great victory for the free speech rights of all North Carolinians.", said Chris Brook of the ACLU.

Rufus Lee King: Really? How does that follow? People have the right to free expression until someone says something that you don't agree with?


Perhaps you missed the part in the article where North Carolina rejected the "Respect Choice" license plate.

That means that the state is supporting you in expressing a Pro-Life point of view, but denying you a similar expression of a Pro-Choice point of view.

The judicial order requires the state to either allow both, or deny both, but not promote one view over the other.
 
2012-12-12 02:36:37 PM  

pseudoscience: I know others have said this, but isn't "Choose Life" a pro-choice statement?


This would be similar to the way a VOTE LIBERTARIAN sign is actually a Pro-Democratic sign?
 
2012-12-12 02:38:06 PM  

Diogenes: Yeah, I was thinking of a good counter proposal to the Choose Life plates we have here in FL. "Kill More Babies" seemed a bit too over the top. But I think your "Eat The Kids First" idea has legs. Delicious, tender, young legs.


Now, now, there's no need to focus on the youngest of the lot!

Even by Jonathan Swift's time, the use of the "digestor" (what we now call a pressure cooker) which could render even the wiriest teen delectable, was widely known:

by which the hardest bones of beef itself, and mutton, were made as soft as cheese, without water or other liquor, and with less than eight ounces of coals, producing an incredible quantity of gravy; and for close of all, a jelly made of the bones of beef, the best for clearness and good relish, and the most delicious that I had ever seen, or tasted.

Waste not, want not!
 
2012-12-12 02:38:32 PM  

Pincy: KatjaMouse: I'm not sure if it's still available here but my sister got this plate:

[www.plannedparenthood.org image 315x163] 

It was actually a plate sponsored and designed by Planned Parenthood.

Wow, in Virginia even? How the hell did that see the light of day?


Planned Parenthood generated enough signatures and donations to qualify and when the plate was approved most of the people who pledged money for the effort went down to the DMV and got it. Then there was a crap ton of backlash and I've never seen the plate on display in the DMV lobby since so I don't know if it is still available. If it turns out it is I think I'll get it.
 
2012-12-12 02:39:55 PM  
Yup. Actually looked it up, now. The Planned Parenthood VA plate is still available but apparently only if you know to ask for it at the counter.
 
2012-12-12 02:41:11 PM  

ISO15693: [www.coastal.ca.gov image 247x124]

There isnt a "Pollute our coast and oceans" alternative.


That pretty much goes without saying if you are driving a gasoline or diesel vehicle.
 
2012-12-12 02:41:21 PM  

Lumpmoose: Except when it's:

A. Death


What about B: Cake?

graphjam.files.wordpress.com

Seems like the popular option....
 
2012-12-12 02:41:31 PM  
This headline....is AWESOME
 
2012-12-12 02:41:42 PM  

Pincy: Rufus Lee King: Pincy: I'm guessing you also think the Confederate flag doesn't represent racism?

Oh, Christ. Here it goes.

Sorry, wasn't trying to start a Confederate flag flame fest here, just pointing out that Netrngr is being (purposefully?) obtuse.

No just making a point bringing that up is akin to saying you are here to start something and acting like a retread. Don't try and encourage flamewars.
 
2012-12-12 02:43:33 PM  
Well, Florida does let you get a license plate with a fish that is an alternative to an Atlantic species.


www.orafarm.com
 
2012-12-12 02:44:22 PM  

Pincy: Netrngr: I have a novel idea. Lets offer thing people may want, let them choose what they want to purchase, try not to get our selves so farking offended m and finally keep the farking government out of my choices. Strangely this works for both sides of the argument.

You do realize that the government issues license plates, right? Kind of hard to keep government out of your choice of plate.


Yes I realize the state government offers them as a product just like any other vendor. These aren't official state plates. They are a premium that you must choose to purchase at extra expense. The argument being made would be valid if they forced you ta use the plate. as it stands its your choice to buy it or not.
 
2012-12-12 02:45:24 PM  

Zasteva: Rufus Lee King: "This is a great victory for the free speech rights of all North Carolinians.", said Chris Brook of the ACLU.

Rufus Lee King: Really? How does that follow? People have the right to free expression until someone says something that you don't agree with?

Perhaps you missed the part in the article where North Carolina rejected the "Respect Choice" license plate.

That means that the state is supporting you in expressing a Pro-Life point of view, but denying you a similar expression of a Pro-Choice point of view.

The judicial order requires the state to either allow both, or deny both, but not promote one view over the other.


That's all well and good in any argument that only has two sides. Choose Heads or Tails.

Even if they print Choose Life plates and Respect Choice plates, my views are being oppressed if I believe any of the following:

Choose Life except in the case that the mother's life is in danger, then kill that babby.
Choose Life except in cases of danger to mother/rape/incest, then kill babby.
Choose Life except in cases of birf defects/danger to mother/rape/incest, then kill babby
Respect Choice unless in last trimester, then save clump of cells.
Respect Choice unless in last two trimesters, then save clump of cells.
Respect Choice, but institute programs to make potential mothers aware of alternatives
Respect Choice, but force women to undergo transvaginal ultrasounds, so they can see their clump.
Etc...

Is it the state's responsibility to print all of those plates?
Seems silly. 

This isn't about freedom of speech, this is about someone getting their panties in a bunch, which any of us could theoretically do if we can't get a license plate that says whatever our precious little snowflake minds can think up.
 
2012-12-12 02:47:31 PM  

Rufus Lee King: grasse: You're right it IS hypocritical to call the suppression of other people's opinions "free speech" so why didn't the NC legislature give the opposite opnion a choice of license plate? I think you are trolling misunderstanding the ruling. The state can either sell both plates or neither plate. If the state chooses neither, how is that suppression of anything?

See? There it is again. I have a different opinion, so I am "trolling".


No you're being puposely obtuse, that's why you seem to be trolling. The concept isn't hard here, allow both sides of the debate a license plate or neither. You are saying suppressing one side is hypocritical, without taking into account that the "Choose Life" side is the one doing to suppression
 
2012-12-12 02:48:13 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: The crackpot liberal freeloaders are more than happy to take away someone else's free speech rights.

It is long past time we re-establish free religious speech in this country. In church. In schools. In public. The liberals have been chipping away at this basic human right for years and now we've reached this ridiculous and sad point. Free speech for them, government censored speech for anyone else.

Demand your basic free speech rights!

Stand up in your church and call out crooked politicians by name. Wear anti-abortion and scripture related clothing to your school and in public. This is your fundamental, constitutionally protected, basic human right and it must not be abridged by these extremist liberal crackpots.


img58.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-12 02:50:16 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: The crackpot liberal freeloaders are more than happy to take away someone else's free speech rights.

It is long past time we re-establish free religious speech in this country. In church. In schools. In public. The liberals have been chipping away at this basic human right for years and now we've reached this ridiculous and sad point. Free speech for them, government censored speech for anyone else.

Demand your basic free speech rights!

Stand up in your church and call out crooked politicians by name. Wear anti-abortion and scripture related clothing to your school and in public. This is your fundamental, constitutionally protected, basic human right and it must not be abridged by these extremist liberal crackpots.


Hey as a crackpot liberal I'm all for this. Hell yeah stand up and preach your politics.
But hey since we are lowering that wall of separation anyway, here is your tax bill!

Deal?
 
2012-12-12 02:52:02 PM  

spidermilk: Graffito: FizixJunkee: Abortion statistics:

" If current rates continue, it is estimated that 35% of all women of reproductive age in America today will have had an abortion by the time they reach the age of 45.3"

and

"Women who obtain abortions represent every religious affiliation. 13% of abortion patients describe themselves as born-again or Evangelical Christians; while 22% of U.S. women are Catholic, 27% of abortion patients say they are Catholics."

That's a lot of voters to piss off. (Not to mention their husbands and boyfriends who are likely relieved that abortion was a legal option,)

hah. I know a Catholic girl who had an abortion although she strictly does not believe in them. In her case she would claim that she had to have one because her baby would not have been healthy/viable for reasons specific to her. But she is against abortion. So yeah, as we know, people will say 'it isn't okay for you to do it because I say so' but if I need one it is totally different and fine.

She is just lucky that she was able to safely and privately get one.

So just because women have had one doesn't mean they believe in them. They will probably say it was wrong when they did it but God forgives them but never mention that they were lucky to be able to have an abortion and would do it again if they were in the same situation.

/just FYI, we are friends and I would never say these nasty things to her face. I'm sure it was a hard decision and it was her choice to make, I just wish she would admit that other people deserve the same choice.


You should stop being friends with this awful hypocrite. She sounds like a shiatty person.
 
2012-12-12 02:54:11 PM  

Even With A Chainsaw: This isn't about freedom of speech, this is about someone getting their panties in a bunch, which any of us could theoretically do if we can't get a license plate that says whatever our precious little snowflake minds can think up.


I remember around 2000, when a judge ordered the state of Missouri to permit the KKK to participate in its "adopt a highway" program on the same basic rationale of this case--i.e., no viewpoint discrimination when the government creates a forum for political speech. Even though the ruling was a victory for the conservative racial point of view, progressives celebrated it as a victory for what should be the universal value of free speech.

Today, by contrast, when a judge orders a state to permit a dissenting view from the government's officially anti-choice stance, do conservatives celebrate a victory for free speech?

Of course not. This is America, after all. Instead they whine about how persecuted they are, and claim 1st Amendment supporters have their "panties in a bunch."
 
2012-12-12 02:54:20 PM  

imbrial: lulz if they're manufactured by death row inmates


Especially in New Hampshire:

www.wildlife.state.nh.us
 
2012-12-12 02:55:05 PM  
i thought we was in a resesion so I gots no cheddar to waste on a plate. I gots to rent me spinner rims instead!
 
2012-12-12 02:56:23 PM  

Even With A Chainsaw: Zasteva: Rufus Lee King: "This is a great victory for the free speech rights of all North Carolinians.", said Chris Brook of the ACLU.

Rufus Lee King: Really? How does that follow? People have the right to free expression until someone says something that you don't agree with?

Perhaps you missed the part in the article where North Carolina rejected the "Respect Choice" license plate.

That means that the state is supporting you in expressing a Pro-Life point of view, but denying you a similar expression of a Pro-Choice point of view.

The judicial order requires the state to either allow both, or deny both, but not promote one view over the other.

That's all well and good in any argument that only has two sides. Choose Heads or Tails.

Even if they print Choose Life plates and Respect Choice plates, my views are being oppressed if I believe any of the following:

Choose Life except in the case that the mother's life is in danger, then kill that babby.
Choose Life except in cases of danger to mother/rape/incest, then kill babby.
Choose Life except in cases of birf defects/danger to mother/rape/incest, then kill babby
Respect Choice unless in last trimester, then save clump of cells.
Respect Choice unless in last two trimesters, then save clump of cells.
Respect Choice, but institute programs to make potential mothers aware of alternatives
Respect Choice, but force women to undergo transvaginal ultrasounds, so they can see their clump.
Etc...

Is it the state's responsibility to print all of those plates?
Seems silly. 

This isn't about freedom of speech, this is about someone getting their panties in a bunch, which any of us could theoretically do if we can't get a license plate that says whatever our precious little snowflake minds can think up.


Yes. If the state is going to sponsor political speech, it has to sponsor all or nothing. That's why NC is stupid for doing this in the first place. Mass. has the right idea, you can have whatever stupid plate you want if you can get $100,000.00 to fund a bond for it.

The people with their panties in a bunch are the assholes who feel that everyone who drives behind them needs to know their political opinions.
 
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