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(Offbeat China)   The difference between Mexican and Chinese illegal immigrants in the US? The Chinese send their "anchor babies" back to China until they're 21. Scary: There are now 58 million of them   (offbeatchina.com) divider line 57
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2012-12-12 10:11:24 AM  
Reading comprehension, subby. It needs work.
 
2012-12-12 10:56:24 AM  
There's another difference between them...location.
 
2012-12-12 10:56:48 AM  
leaving aside weirdness in the headline...

My first reaction: Wow...The USA really should take better responsibility for it's citizens. Those kids should be with their parents.

My second thoughts: On the other hand, I am highly skeptical that the US would allow this to happen. I'd like to see a US source about the problem.
 
2012-12-12 10:56:59 AM  
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Cousins?
 
2012-12-12 10:57:10 AM  
Nice try, tardmitter.
 
2012-12-12 10:57:26 AM  
Yeah, there aren't 58 million US citizens. A couple million perhaps but certainly not that many. And why not? It's expensive to raise a child in the US.
 
2012-12-12 10:58:12 AM  
Wow, that's heartbreaking...
 
2012-12-12 10:59:00 AM  
Does the headline mean that 17.6% of the United States population are illegal Chinese immigrants, or does the headline mean that the number of Chinese "anchor babies" born to illegal Chinese immigrants is equal to 17.6% of the United States population?

Either way, I think that we would have noticed.
 
2012-12-12 10:59:26 AM  
Not all of those parents live in the US. The article's intention was to include any big city including China's. The parents could still be in the country but not with the kids.

"....a special group of children who are left to stay in rural areas while their parents work as migrant workers in big cities..."

RTFA

Also, I want my own chinese baby. Do you think they can cook chinese food early on? I need a good cook.
 
2012-12-12 11:00:38 AM  
Was this greened just to make Subby feel bad?
 
2012-12-12 11:02:40 AM  
In other news, China DOES, in fact, issue travel permits to Party affiliated couples to come to the US for the exclusive purpose of having a baby here. Then the baby gets raised in China, where it learns that the roundeye is the enemy of the world, America didn't go to the moon and that America has only one kind of chicken: fried chicken. Not hyperbolic there, All of those ridiculous things have been said to me by Chicoms.

And we play along in the name of short term profits. Of course, it always works out for America when we put short term financial gain over sensible long term policies. Right?
 
2012-12-12 11:02:52 AM  
"For example, at the Starfish kindergarten at Guantou, Liangjiang county, 80% of its students hold foreign citizenship. American citizenship accounts for the majority."
-=-
Scary!
These children are being programmed for future use in their country of citizenship!

/Extreme enough? (Going for the panic buttons.)
 
2012-12-12 11:03:21 AM  
www.xmfan.com
 
2012-12-12 11:04:00 AM  

SmellsLikePoo: Was this greened just to make Subby feel bad?


....or look really stupid?
 
2012-12-12 11:04:40 AM  
Holy Innacurate Headline, FARK!
 
2012-12-12 11:05:39 AM  
I want to know more about this story: Link
 
2012-12-12 11:06:47 AM  

Kuroutesshin: I want to know more about this story: Link


The bear had Chinese food. End of story.
 
2012-12-12 11:07:03 AM  
YEA misinterpretations of the 14th Amendment!!!!!
 
2012-12-12 11:08:52 AM  
huh

You do realize that the law doesn't say what all you think it says?
 
2012-12-12 11:10:16 AM  

Insatiable Jesus: In other news, China DOES, in fact, issue travel permits to Party affiliated couples to come to the US for the exclusive purpose of having a baby here. Then the baby gets raised in China, where it learns that the roundeye is the enemy of the world, America didn't go to the moon and that America has only one kind of chicken: fried chicken. Not hyperbolic there, All of those ridiculous things have been said to me by Chicoms.

And we play along in the name of short term profits. Of course, it always works out for America when we put short term financial gain over sensible long term policies. Right?


BS.
I have yet to see a single chinese, let alone chinese american, under the age of 40 who (after spending a year in the states) prefers going back to china and it's stinky gutters.

Now the kids of elite chinese, however.. that's a very different story. for them, it's stay in china/hong kong until 18, go to college in US (and pay exorbitant non-resident fees or go to private schools like USC that benefit greatly from their RMB)... then return to china to take on ready-made top careers set up by their families.

or, at least, they are supposed to. often, they get together with nice white boys, refuse to come home, or refuse to come home unless the white boy gets to come along too...

... much to the frustration of chinese boys at college who have to console themselves with counter-strike and learning CSS....
 
2012-12-12 11:10:34 AM  
media.washingtonpost.com

Already on the case!
 
2012-12-12 11:13:04 AM  

Stoker: "For example, at the Starfish kindergarten at Guantou, Liangjiang county, 80% of its students hold foreign citizenship. American citizenship accounts for the majority."
-=-
Scary!
These children are being programmed for future use in their country of citizenship!

/Extreme enough? (Going for the panic buttons.)


Doesn't that dual citizenship expire when they turn 18 if they don't do something to keep it, e.g. move to the U.S.? And even if they did keep their U.S. citizenship and use it for nefarious purposes (as Subby seems to believe), I would imagine that by the time any Chinese conspirators would want to "activate" them, the world would likely have changed so much from when they were born that they may no longer be useful. Which makes the whole idea a very risky bet for the Chinese.

/not passing judgement until I see a more reputable source for this story
 
2012-12-12 11:13:51 AM  
You know what? Given the choice I'll take chinese over mexicans. Both groups work their ass off but at least the chinese have enough sense to attempt to learn the damn language of the place they are immigrating to.

Kind of scary that I'm not qualified for almost any of the retail jobs in my area because I don't speak spanish.
 
2012-12-12 11:14:54 AM  
This is really going to water down my Coke.
 
2012-12-12 11:16:45 AM  

Dimensio: Does the headline mean that 17.6% of the United States population are illegal Chinese immigrants, or does the headline mean that the number of Chinese "anchor babies" born to illegal Chinese immigrants is equal to 17.6% of the United States population?

Either way, I think that we would have noticed.


I think he means 58 million Chinese who were born in America are being raised in China as an unstoppable invading army. Why are they unstoppable you ask? They are American citizens, so they will just show their passports to get in the country! The invasion begins when the first wave turns 21. Which just happens to be Dec 21st, 2012!

GET YOUR GUNS! THE CHINESE ARE COMING!
 
2012-12-12 11:17:50 AM  
That's an interesting system...send the kids back to be raised by grandparents until they're 5 and can attend public school, thus reducing childcare (which would be prohibitively expensive in the states for the number of hours they would need it). Honestly, it's probably better for the kids than being left in 16 hr/day daycare or, as I've seen in some cases, for the baby to be raised in a nail salon (I can't imagine what those fumes do to a developing brain).
 
2012-12-12 11:18:53 AM  

RembrandtQEinstein: You know what? Given the choice I'll take chinese over mexicans. Both groups work their ass off but at least the chinese have enough sense to attempt to learn the damn language of the place they are immigrating to.

Kind of scary that I'm not qualified for almost any of the retail jobs in my area because I don't speak spanish.


More like very sad
 
2012-12-12 11:19:09 AM  
RTFA. = READ THE F...king ARTICLE.

The article said there are 58 million children whose parents don't live with them.

Of them, only 10,000 had US citizenship

10,000, not 58 million. Big difference.

Also, the entire set up currently costs a Chinese person over $80,000 to do. Yes, it used to cost $10,000. But at a current cost that high, not many will ever do this.

The US can handle 10,000 Chinese children, particularly as their parents strike me as being the smart and hard working.

Welcome to America.
 
2012-12-12 11:27:45 AM  

duenor: Insatiable Jesus: In other news, China DOES, in fact, issue travel permits to Party affiliated couples to come to the US for the exclusive purpose of having a baby here. Then the baby gets raised in China, where it learns that the roundeye is the enemy of the world, America didn't go to the moon and that America has only one kind of chicken: fried chicken. Not hyperbolic there, All of those ridiculous things have been said to me by Chicoms.

And we play along in the name of short term profits. Of course, it always works out for America when we put short term financial gain over sensible long term policies. Right?

BS.
I have yet to see a single chinese, let alone chinese american, under the age of 40 who (after spending a year in the states) prefers going back to china and it's stinky gutters.

Now the kids of elite chinese, however.. that's a very different story. for them, it's stay in china/hong kong until 18, go to college in US (and pay exorbitant non-resident fees or go to private schools like USC that benefit greatly from their RMB)... then return to china to take on ready-made top careers set up by their families.

or, at least, they are supposed to. often, they get together with nice white boys, refuse to come home, or refuse to come home unless the white boy gets to come along too...

... much to the frustration of chinese boys at college who have to console themselves with counter-strike and learning CSS....


I was going ro post something
Like this but don't they just kill female babies? Or at lest make sure it'll be a boy
 
2012-12-12 11:28:13 AM  
first off subby has serious reading comprehension...

secondly this is good news for the US!!!! Looks like China is a net profit for the US to counter the 'net loss' of illegal Mexican immigrants with anchor babies.

FTFA it seems like China's illegals come to work in the US and leave their families behind. Once these workers stop being productive (in the US) they go back to them.
Mexicans bring their entire family, stay put and then have kids to suck off the welfare system...
 
2012-12-12 11:28:18 AM  
Unless they're Black, everything about them is racist. And no damn good to the Democrat Meme that everything Black is both Holy and put-upon.
 
2012-12-12 11:29:06 AM  
Just wait America. Wait twenty years when the West Coast is overrun with Chicoms.
 
2012-12-12 11:31:47 AM  

duenor: Insatiable Jesus: In other news, China DOES, in fact, issue travel permits to Party affiliated couples to come to the US for the exclusive purpose of having a baby here. Then the baby gets raised in China, where it learns that the roundeye is the enemy of the world, America didn't go to the moon and that America has only one kind of chicken: fried chicken. Not hyperbolic there, All of those ridiculous things have been said to me by Chicoms.

And we play along in the name of short term profits. Of course, it always works out for America when we put short term financial gain over sensible long term policies. Right?

BS.
I have yet to see a single chinese, let alone chinese american, under the age of 40 who (after spending a year in the states) prefers going back to china and it's stinky gutters.

Now the kids of elite chinese, however.. that's a very different story. for them, it's stay in china/hong kong until 18, go to college in US (and pay exorbitant non-resident fees or go to private schools like USC that benefit greatly from their RMB)... then return to china to take on ready-made top careers set up by their families.

or, at least, they are supposed to. often, they get together with nice white boys, refuse to come home, or refuse to come home unless the white boy gets to come along too...

... much to the frustration of chinese boys at college who have to console themselves with counter-strike and learning CSS....


Hahaha. That's exactly how my best friend met his wife at USC. -right down to the powerful family, although she's from Taiwan.

She's pretty cool and so are her parents. They met getting their PhDs in biology.
 
2012-12-12 11:32:00 AM  
I'm skeptical of this being as big of an epidemic as some claim. In Chinese culture, having the grandparents raise the kids is a pretty standard move. Normally you fly your parents over here and they help out for up to 6 months (the current max on a tourist visa), then your parents leave and your in-laws arrive. Rinse, wash, and repeat.

The other way to play it, is send the kid back. Maybe you can't afford to bring your parents over every year or INS is hassling them over their repeated visits. Or grandma just doesn't want to leave China. Then you send the kid over.

It's how a more traditional Chinese family works. The younger adults are supposed to be earning money, while grandma wrangles the kid(s) so mom and dad can put in overtime.

The other reason I'm skeptical is there is an entire industry of flying your pregnant wife over, having her pop one out, and then heading back to China. It can supposedly cost up to 50k all said and done (your wife is provided with house, a nurse, etc, it adds up). A lot of rich Chinese do this to avoid Chinese laws restricting the future residency of the child or just as a hedge in case China does collapse so the kid can easily relocate. Also because it makes it easier for the kid to come and go from America when they get their PhD from Stanford.

Basically poor Chinese, where poor means lives on under $20 USD a day, don't suddenly come up with the money for a round trip flight ticket and the means to go over and create an anchor baby. It's the rich ones. I'm sure some are coming over to work, but not some flood that is going to produce them in bulk.

At the end of the day I'm betting the vast majority of these kids belong to officials who wanted it to get the passport as a status symbol, convenience, safety net, etc. The others are being sent back to parents who want in on grandparental child care.

For how Chinese anchor babies are really done, see here.
 
2012-12-12 11:34:52 AM  

duenor: BS.
I have yet to see a single chinese, let alone chinese american, under the age of 40 who (after spending a year in the states) prefers going back to china and it's stinky gutters.


As one of my Chinese interns told me:

"Only the losers go back."
 
2012-12-12 11:36:25 AM  

tarkin1: RTFA. = READ THE F...king ARTICLE.

The article said there are 58 million children whose parents don't live with them.

Of them, only 10,000 had US citizenship

10,000, not 58 million. Big difference.

Also, the entire set up currently costs a Chinese person over $80,000 to do. Yes, it used to cost $10,000. But at a current cost that high, not many will ever do this.

The US can handle 10,000 Chinese children, particularly as their parents strike me as being the smart and hard working.

Welcome to America.


Hey, dude. This is Fark. You take your sane self out of here right now, before I have to come over there.
 
2012-12-12 11:38:58 AM  
Not that it's the same thing, but out neighbors sent their young son back to China for school since the local schools here suck balls.
 
2012-12-12 11:43:26 AM  

Insatiable Jesus: Just wait America. Wait twenty years when the West Coast is overrun with Chicoms.


I think they thought their cunning, inscrutible plan through.
The old Bruce Lee trick.
 
2012-12-12 11:55:00 AM  

Joe Blowme: YEA misinterpretations of the 14th Amendment!!!!!


How exactly is,

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

misinterpreted?
 
2012-12-12 11:55:35 AM  

tarkin1: RTFA. = READ THE F...king ARTICLE.
The article said there are 58 million children whose parents don't live with them.
Of them, only 10,000 had US citizenship



You need to read TFA again yourself. That was 10,000 Chinese children with US citizenship in the city of Fuzhou.

/I agree the USA can handle however many there actually are
 
2012-12-12 11:55:54 AM  
Maybe its just me, but that article written by Alia (the Holy Sister!!) seems like it was written as a middle school Social Studies report. It seemed rather disjointed in its writing style.maybe written by one of the kids themselves?
 
2012-12-12 11:56:17 AM  

Stoker: "For example, at the Starfish kindergarten at Guantou, Liangjiang county, 80% of its students hold foreign citizenship. American citizenship accounts for the majority."
-=-
Scary!
These children are being programmed for future use in their country of citizenship!

/Extreme enough? (Going for the panic buttons.)


Yeah, immediately sounded like a "slow invasion of the US" story by Orson Scott Card.

I like a lot of Card's stuff, but even I admit he is pretty out there with the doom-n-gloom scenarios. He's like an AWG zealot, except for the right.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-12 12:17:32 PM  
If they were born in the US then they are US citizens. They can't petition for their parents unless they live in the US though, and not until they are 21.
 
2012-12-12 12:43:43 PM  
When I was growing up Vancouver in the 90s, it seemed to be the opposite. Helicopter parents living back in China/Hong Kong earning beaucoup money while their kids live here, either with the grandparents or even alone. Even back then, it wasn't uncommon to see a 16 year-old Asian driving a brand new Beemer.

RembrandtQEinstein: You know what? Given the choice I'll take chinese over mexicans. Both groups work their ass off but at least the chinese have enough sense to attempt to learn the damn language of the place they are immigrating to.

Kind of scary that I'm not qualified for almost any of the retail jobs in my area because I don't speak spanish.


You should visit Vancouver. There's a reason it's nickname is Hongcouver. When any immigrant group becomes a sizeable minority, or even the majority, in their host city, why bother assimilating?

/Vancouver proper is 49% white.
//Richmond is 65% Chinese.
 
2012-12-12 12:55:12 PM  
I judge people on their actions, not on their race, and Chinese tend to assimilate better than Mexicans.

They are more willing to adapt to our culture, learn our customs and speak our language.

Mexicans by contrast, demand special favors, special treatment, refuse to learn our language and reject our customs in favor of their own. They also demand immunity from any law they dislike, such as laws requiring them to drive responsibly, and also laws requiring them to immigrate legally.

They work for cash under the table and demand free food, free housing, free schools and free medical care

They will not come up to our standards, and want us to come down to theirs.

You never see Chinese do that.
 
2012-12-12 12:59:48 PM  

tarkin1: RTFA. = READ THE F...king ARTICLE.

The article said there are 58 million children whose parents don't live with them.

Of them, only 10,000 had US citizenship

10,000, not 58 million. Big difference.

Also, the entire set up currently costs a Chinese person over $80,000 to do. Yes, it used to cost $10,000. But at a current cost that high, not many will ever do this.

The US can handle 10,000 Chinese children, particularly as their parents strike me as being the smart and hard working.

Welcome to America.



Aka Cheat the system. Just the kind of people we'd like... right?

That 10k doesn't go to anyone legitimate. The parents are here illegally. The money they earn isn't taxable. It's a pure cheat all the way around.
 
2012-12-12 01:18:09 PM  

Nexzus: When I was growing up Vancouver in the 90s, it seemed to be the opposite. Helicopter parents living back in China/Hong Kong earning beaucoup money while their kids live here, either with the grandparents or even alone. Even back then, it wasn't uncommon to see a 16 year-old Asian driving a brand new Beemer.

RembrandtQEinstein: You know what? Given the choice I'll take chinese over mexicans. Both groups work their ass off but at least the chinese have enough sense to attempt to learn the damn language of the place they are immigrating to.

Kind of scary that I'm not qualified for almost any of the retail jobs in my area because I don't speak spanish.

You should visit Vancouver. There's a reason it's nickname is Hongcouver. When any immigrant group becomes a sizeable minority, or even the majority, in their host city, why bother assimilating?

/Vancouver proper is 49% white.
//Richmond is 65% Chinese.


Q: What river separates India and China?

A: The Fraser.
 
2012-12-12 01:42:07 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: leaving aside weirdness in the headline...

My first reaction: Wow...The USA really should take better responsibility for it's citizens. Those kids should be with their parents.

My second thoughts: On the other hand, I am highly skeptical that the US would allow this to happen. I'd like to see a US source about the problem.


Problem? No problem. Chinese do not cause problems. Ignore the sign on that store about 'mailing' children. Also ignore the law that says store signage must be dual language. City hall and the NYPD sure do. Ignore the bus driver who does the casino/outlet mall runs that has no licence and hasn't slept in 30 hours. And all those 3am massage parlors are completely legit. Nevermind that the women are never allowed to leave the building and have a cot and a hot plate in the back closet.

In New York City, at least, the NYPD have been given indrect orders to look the other way in Chinatown, Flushing, etc, because they are 'economic contributors'


SuperNinjaToad: first off subby has serious reading comprehension...

secondly this is good news for the US!!!! Looks like China is a net profit for the US to counter the 'net loss' of illegal Mexican immigrants with anchor babies.

FTFA it seems like China's illegals come to work in the US and leave their families behind. Once these workers stop being productive (in the US) they go back to them.
Mexicans bring their entire family, stay put and then have kids to suck off the welfare system...


Not true. There are still plenty of people from china who bring their entire family over. Usually, its one kid with a college education and has a decent job, but its not honorable to leave the family behind, so they bring over the parents and sometimes grandparents. Of course, the elders have no skills or education, so they all share a single apartment and the elders are left to take care of kids, or just roam the streets.

Traditionally, come recycling night, you would see the homeless/poor people come up and down the block looking for cans and bottles to turn in for deposit. Its been years though since i saw a homeless person doing it. Instead, its wave after wave of elderly Chinese men and women. They came 7,000 miles to come pick garbage. fantastic.
 
2012-12-12 01:50:20 PM  

Dimensio: Does the headline mean that 17.6% of the United States population are illegal Chinese immigrants, or does the headline mean that the number of Chinese "anchor babies" born to illegal Chinese immigrants is equal to 17.6% of the United States population?

Either way, I think that we would have noticed.


Really? Do you always notice something that is already the norm?
 
2012-12-12 01:54:15 PM  

tarkin1: RTFA. = READ THE F...king ARTICLE.

The article said there are 58 million children whose parents don't live with them.

Of them, only 10,000 had US citizenship

10,000, not 58 million. Big difference.

Also, the entire set up currently costs a Chinese person over $80,000 to do. Yes, it used to cost $10,000. But at a current cost that high, not many will ever do this.

The US can handle 10,000 Chinese children, particularly as their parents strike me as being the smart and hard working.

Welcome to America.


At $80,000 perhaps you would like to make the market a little more competitive by importing them for $40,000. You could make yourself some real money.
 
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