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(Yahoo)   Protip: If you were the driver in an accident, the car is on fire, and your friend is in the passenger seat "he doesn't want to get out" is not a valid reason to leave him to die   (sports.yahoo.com) divider line 88
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2012-12-12 01:13:07 PM  

KFBR392: Why don't these NFL teams provide a free shuttle service or something to players who've been drinking. Like, how much would it cost the team to have a couple vans on call. The coaches/owners could be like...look, we don't condone these actions, but if you're too drunk to drive...we'll pick you up. Don't make a bad situation worse.


They try to drive it into them: get a taxi, make one of your posse be the DD, get a hotel room that night. That and other things like "hey, a lot of ex-pro athletes are broke 2 years out of the league". But noone thinks it will happen to them. That, and well, drunk people make bad choices.
 
2012-12-12 01:14:41 PM  

KFBR392: Why don't these NFL teams provide a free shuttle service or something to players who've been drinking. Like, how much would it cost the team to have a couple vans on call. The coaches/owners could be like...look, we don't condone these actions, but if you're too drunk to drive...we'll pick you up. Don't make a bad situation worse.


There WAS one, except it was run by the NFLPA, not the teams. The players never used it.

Because invincible and above the law.

So the program was terminated.
 
2012-12-12 01:15:33 PM  

Crewmannumber6: umad: Crewmannumber6: mc_madness: It's not easy pulling a 110 kg linebacker from a burning wreck - especially when you're wasted.

Did this eyewitness do ANYTHING? Cut the man some slack. Josh Brent did his best given the circumstances.

Fark him and fark you, this guy is a piece of sh#t. The fact that the other guy was apparently a close friend from college makes it even worse. I almost puked when after the game, Jason Garret said in the press conference said the team wanted to honor their lost teammate. Honor him for what? I've been involed in an accident or two and yes, there is shock and disorientation. But when you see someone at risk you snap out of it.

Yeah! Fark that guy for getting killed. They need to get over it. It isn't that big of a deal.

There was no honor involved with anyone in this scenario. That word should carry more weight.


I agree with you man. He got drunk. He deserved to die, just like anybody who does such an evil thing. People should just forget that he ever existed.
 
2012-12-12 01:19:00 PM  

umad: I agree with you man. He got drunk. He deserved to die, just like anybody who does such an evil thing. People should just forget that he ever existed.


Snark aside, if you fail to stop a drunk from getting behind the wheel of a car, or get into a car wtih a drunk driver and allow him to drive, I think the last thing we can say you are is a victim.
 
2012-12-12 01:19:26 PM  

mc_madness: It's not easy pulling a 110 kg linebacker from a burning wreck - especially when you're wasted.

Did this eyewitness do ANYTHING? Cut the man some slack. Josh Brent did his best given the circumstances.


No, his best given the circumstances would have been to call the NFL provided transportation to get his drunken ass home instead of getting behind the wheel and killing his friend.
 
2012-12-12 01:27:41 PM  

Slow To Return: umad: I agree with you man. He got drunk. He deserved to die, just like anybody who does such an evil thing. People should just forget that he ever existed.

Snark aside, if you fail to stop a drunk from getting behind the wheel of a car, or get into a car wtih a drunk driver and allow him to drive, I think the last thing we can say you are is a victim.


That's what I've been saying. It should absolutely overshadow everything else he has ever done. His friends and family have no reason to be sad or to honor him. Piss on his grave I say.
 
2012-12-12 01:45:59 PM  

umad: Slow To Return: umad: I agree with you man. He got drunk. He deserved to die, just like anybody who does such an evil thing. People should just forget that he ever existed.

Snark aside, if you fail to stop a drunk from getting behind the wheel of a car, or get into a car wtih a drunk driver and allow him to drive, I think the last thing we can say you are is a victim.

That's what I've been saying. It should absolutely overshadow everything else he has ever done. His friends and family have no reason to be sad or to honor him. Piss on his grave I say.


UMAD!

/oh hey...
 
2012-12-12 01:46:42 PM  

umad: That's what I've been saying. It should absolutely overshadow everything else he has ever done. His friends and family have no reason to be sad or to honor him. Piss on his grave I say.


Well I don't know about that, it sure seems like you're being facetious. But I can certainly agree with you that there's no cause for Jason Garrett or anyone else in the Cowboys organization to use the words "honor" and "Jerry Brown" in the same sentence. An honorable man would not have let his friend drive drunk, plain and simple. What if those two had t-boned a family of five and were the only survivors? Would we still be using the word "honor"?
 
2012-12-12 02:35:34 PM  

Slow To Return: it sure seems like you're being facetious.


Probably because I am. You guys are idiots.
 
2012-12-12 02:41:28 PM  

Slow To Return: What if those two had t-boned a family of five and were the only survivors? Would we still be using the word "honor"?


No. Shockingly, sometimes the outcome of decisions changes how we discuss an event. For example, if they hadn't hit anyone and got home safely without anything having happened, we wouldn't have heard of either of them. So you're not really making a point.

wooden_badger: No, his best given the circumstances would have been to call the NFL provided transportation to get his drunken ass home instead of getting behind the wheel and killing his friend.


Given the circumstances AFTER failing to have done the right thing earlier. Everything leading up to the crash, you can put on him. Everything after, he hasn't really done anything to criticize him for.
 
2012-12-12 02:44:56 PM  

Di Atribe: And really, how does a witness get into the news that fast? Hm.


Living in the market of one of the biggest culprits of this sort of thing, it actually doesn't surprise me that some slick reporter somewhere went to try and get a story out of a witness and let it get huge, just so the story was out there. The fact that it's being blown to bits doesn't matter, because the jackass who reported it still takes credit for bagging the story.
 
2012-12-12 03:46:06 PM  

IAmRight: For example, if they hadn't hit anyone and got home safely without anything having happened, we wouldn't have heard of either of them. So you're not really making a point.


Except they didn't make it home safely and we HAVE heard of them. We've also heard the word "honor" tossed about quite a bit, especially here in Dallas. We've even heard it from Jason Garrett.

And my point is that there's nothing even remotely honorable about Jerry Brown, regardless of whether you agree with that or not.
 
2012-12-12 03:54:35 PM  

ScreamingLemur46: SkittlesAreYum: ***snip***
Sure, you say that now but I was there and I saw what you did. Saw it with my own two eyes. So you can wipe off that grin, I know where you've been, It's all been a pack of lies.

/And then I do an awesome air drum solo Get hit by Mike Tyson


FTFY
 
2012-12-12 03:57:21 PM  

Di Atribe: IAmRight: ***snip***
Yeah, she was out in the media WAY too fast. Some people just want to be part of something so badly that they're willing to exaggerate & lie, completely oblivious to the fact that their lies are easily debunked. I guess she's in shock & not making good decisions.


She's still jealous about that thing with her mom.
 
2012-12-12 04:17:43 PM  

Slow To Return: And my point is that there's nothing even remotely honorable about Jerry Brown, regardless of whether you agree with that or not.


Except that he was people's friend, son, teammate. He was an actual human being with 25 years of life. And yes, you do honor the people you care about when they're gone. I sense that you're pretty angry about something & letting it rub off on this situation.
 
2012-12-12 04:19:52 PM  

Di Atribe: Except that he was people's friend, son, teammate. He was an actual human being with 25 years of life. And yes, you do honor the people you care about when they're gone. I sense that you're pretty angry about something & letting it rub off on this situation.


No, no, you see, if you die in a stupid situation, that means everything you did in your life was worthless.
 
2012-12-12 04:33:33 PM  

js34603: Yes clearly the drunken asshole who crashed the car deserves some slack for being too drunk to help. The blame rests on this women for not dragging the NFL linebacker out of a burning car


Sure. Can't expect the drunk to be responsible.


KFBR392: Why don't these NFL teams provide a free shuttle service or something to players who've been drinking. Like, how much would it cost the team to have a couple vans on call.


You mean something like the NFL Safe Rides program? Here's a news flash. Drunks tend to not think clearly and thus will drive when they shouldn't, even when a ride is just a phone call away.
 
2012-12-12 04:51:39 PM  

JustGetItRight: KFBR392: Why don't these NFL teams provide a free shuttle service or something to players who've been drinking. Like, how much would it cost the team to have a couple vans on call.

You mean something like the NFL Safe Rides program? Here's a news flash. Drunks tend to not think clearly and thus will drive when they shouldn't, even when a ride is just a phone call away.


How about SOME drunks will still drive when they shouldn't? You guys act like not one NFL player in the history of ever has ever called a cab or a friend to come pick them up. Yes, Brent messed up something fierce. But let's not act like ALL drunks act like this or ALL pro athletes act like this. I know it's easier that way, but people do the right thing all the time or else this type of story would be the norm.
 
2012-12-12 05:54:14 PM  

JustGetItRight: You mean something like the NFL Safe Rides program? Here's a news flash. Drunks tend to not think clearly and thus will drive when they shouldn't, even when a ride is just a phone call away.


There's also the fact that players are paranoid that their team will keep track of who uses the service and how often, despite any claims of anonymity.
 
2012-12-12 06:03:40 PM  

Di Atribe: And do any of you really think that under any circumstances, any of you would walk away from a FIERY WRECK in which your friend was at the very least severely injured? These two were like brothers. They went to college together & their families are close. Brent was at the funeral yesterday. I don't think that happens if they're just acquaintances on the same team.



Hell yeah I can see it happening. It's called shock. Also, when you are involved in any kind of situation which involves your vehicle from moving at a modest clip to zero in the span of a second or two, your face smacked by an airbag, there's a better than average chance that you're going to be disoriented in a manner similar to someone who is punch drunk.

Till you've been there, you don't know how you'll react, and most people would be amazed at how ineffective they are in situations where they were in the car during a major accident. I've had the displeasure of having to extricate more than a few people from overturned or totaled cars in my day, and the # of people who were stunned stupid by the experience (in the short term) was exceptionally higher than those who were able to remain lucid enough to make rational judgments.

And I'm talking about people who were sober. I couldn't even imagine trying to reason with someone in a major accident who is legally drunk or having adverse effects from prescription medication.

Doesn't excuse the guy for any of his behavior, but there has to be a modicum of reality here as well. I'd be more angry at any witnesses who were close enough to do something and didn't than at this guy for not getting his passenger out (or at least trying).
 
2012-12-12 06:05:20 PM  

Di Atribe: JustGetItRight: KFBR392: ***snip***

I know it's easier that way, but people do the right thing all the time or else this type of story would be the norm.


In the context of the linked article, I agree with you. In context of the world, if that were true, Fark would shut down tomorrow due to the lack of anything worth posting.
 
2012-12-12 06:18:33 PM  

Di Atribe: I sense that you're pretty angry about something & letting it rub off on this situation.


Gee, you think? Perhaps you could even say I'm MADD? (or DADD?) Don't drunk drivers make YOU angry?

And yes, I do hold passengers of drunk drivers to be just as liable as the drunk drivers themselves.

Also, if they'd invent a device that you could place inside a steering wheel that would disable all texting devices within a two foot range, I'd want laws passed to require that device in every car sold in the United States. 

Losing loved ones due to the stupidity of others sucks. But kids will be kids and make mistakes...
 
2012-12-12 06:22:40 PM  
Maybe the most disturbing thing i've ever seen was pulling up on an accident late one nite on the freeway... probably a few minutes after it happened.... One kid was on the pavement all sprawled awkward...must've been propelled from the vehicle, and was clearly deceased, but that wasn't even the disturbing part... The disturbing part was his buddy standing next the body, just laughing and laughing... He had simply mentally snapped.... His mind was not prepared to grapple with the severity of the situation.

That said, the girl from article should not only have pulled out the body herself, she should've also offered to play the player's position in the next Cowboys game.
 
2012-12-12 06:32:52 PM  

Slow To Return: Gee, you think? Perhaps you could even say I'm MADD? (or DADD?) Don't drunk drivers make YOU angry?

And yes, I do hold passengers of drunk drivers to be just as liable as the drunk drivers themselves.

Also, if they'd invent a device that you could place inside a steering wheel that would disable all texting devices within a two foot range, I'd want laws passed to require that device in every car sold in the United States.

Losing loved ones due to the stupidity of others sucks. But kids will be kids and make mistakes...


Well, you didn't say it outright, but if I'm reading this correctly.... I'm really sorry & you have every right to be angry. Any sort of distracted or impaired driving.... whether it be alcohol, drugs, sleepiness, texting, trying to discipline the children in the back seat..... all make me angry. Alcohol gets most of the blame since it's the easiest to detect & prove. Anyway, that doesn't matter right now. They're all bad.
 
2012-12-12 09:00:04 PM  
Never understood how drunks who get in cars with other drunks are considered victims.
 
2012-12-12 09:01:16 PM  

JustGetItRight: Sure. Can't expect the drunk to be responsible.


Yeah I guess if he was responsible he wouldn't be driving drunk and killing his friend. But hey he did some good things in his life before that, so I feel kinda sorry for him now because he really feels bad about it.
 
2012-12-12 09:11:53 PM  

IAmRight: Di Atribe: Would you hesitate if it was your wife? Because I don't think you would. People react differently to traumatic situations, but when it's someone you love, you're not thinking about your own well-being.

I don't THINK I would - but remember Saving Private Ryan? I don't think homie thought he'd be cowering in a stairwell while his buddy got stabbed to death. There are lots of cases where things like that happen.

Again, I'm pretty sure I would do everything I can, but I don't feel like anyone can say for certain until they've been in such a situation. And fortunately, most people don't deal with such situations - I'm hoping to be one of those people.

It's kinda like people that rip on others for failing to predict the future accurately - it's inherently unknowable, so why should I put on a tough-guy act and pretend that I would?

I've felt indirect fire hit within 20 meters of me and bounce me up off the ground. I heard someone scream after that. I didn't move, and no one else in the squad/group/detachment/platoon (the whole thing seemed kinda disorganized - we were basically a 50-person posse that was rounded up for three days of blocking a road to Fallujah) that was lined up in the prone position did, either. I'm pretty sure it's because hey, we've been attacked, we're supposed to keep our eyes peeled for anyone that might be approaching (and there are medics back there helping). But what if that wasn't the actual reason? What if I froze and just told myself that the medics would take care of it a second later to excuse myself not going and finding him in the night?

He's alive and I'm pretty sure he has all his limbs still - after all, there actually were medics and they actually DID attend to him immediately following the incident), but I heard his legs were messed up pretty bad, and I probably wouldn't have been able to do anything...but damn near no one out there moved. Part of that was our jobs - but did everyone (but the medics and platoon commande ...


Had a professor in college that tried to save two little girls from a car that was on fire.

When I met him, he had a wig, a nose made of putty, and painted on lips along with a club for a right arm.

Agree with you totally - like to think I would make the same sacrifice but pray I never have to face that true courage demon.
 
2012-12-12 09:48:09 PM  

Agent Nick Fury: Never understood how drunks who get in cars with other drunks are considered victims.


Never understood how idiots can get upset when a dead guy's friends and family don't just shrug it off and act like he never existed right after he dies.
 
2012-12-12 09:55:03 PM  

js34603: mc_madness: It's not easy pulling a 110 kg linebacker from a burning wreck - especially when you're wasted.

Did this eyewitness do ANYTHING? Cut the man some slack. Josh Brent did his best given the circumstances.

Yes clearly the drunken asshole who crashed the car deserves some slack for being too drunk to help. The blame rests on this women for not dragging the NFL linebacker out of a burning car. What a lazy biatch right?

I hope none of my female relations ever have the misfortune of driving up on an accident involving an NFL player because apparently it will be their fault they are incapable of dragging a 220 lb NFL linebacker from a car and Fark will call them lazy and ask how they sleep at night.


I'm a 5'6 woman. In the right circumstances I can drag a full sized adult: Usually it matters what they are sitting on(trained as a nursing aide, we know how to move people from a laying position using types of sheets or slick bottomed pads). I probably could at least dump him out of the car, which might actually injure him further. Unfortuantely the best option to drag the guy out of the car was in no fit state to make good decisions.
 
2012-12-12 09:58:37 PM  

umad: Agent Nick Fury: Never understood how drunks who get in cars with other drunks are considered victims.

Never understood how idiots can get upset when a dead guy's friends and family don't just shrug it off and act like he never existed right after he dies.


Could have died a thousand ways but chose to die by going out with a friend, getting drunk, flipping a coin on who drives home, and one guy is the victim and the other a heartless murderer,

Absolutely grieve over the loss of a life so young but he isn't a victim - just a young man who made the same wrong decision as the driver.

I'll bet you a month of Total Fark family files a wrongful death suit within a month against the driver even though it came to a coin flip on who would drive.

Loser gets six months of Total Fark.
 
2012-12-12 10:16:32 PM  

Agent Nick Fury: umad: Agent Nick Fury: Never understood how drunks who get in cars with other drunks are considered victims.

Never understood how idiots can get upset when a dead guy's friends and family don't just shrug it off and act like he never existed right after he dies.

Could have died a thousand ways but chose to die by going out with a friend, getting drunk, flipping a coin on who drives home, and one guy is the victim and the other a heartless murderer,

Absolutely grieve over the loss of a life so young but he isn't a victim - just a young man who made the same wrong decision as the driver.

I'll bet you a month of Total Fark family files a wrongful death suit within a month against the driver even though it came to a coin flip on who would drive.

Loser gets six months of Total Fark.


I never claimed he was a victim. The taking of offense over whatever the hell the Cowboys said just annoyed me. They knew him. We didn't. We can all just STFU about how they are dealing with it IMO.
 
2012-12-12 10:35:31 PM  
Buncha weak willed dangerous pieces of shiat in this thread.

OOOO lppk at me I might drunk drive because I have zero control or conscience


If I do drunk drive and kill ,y friend you should feel sorry for me. Im a victim but he is a sack of dead meat. Dont expect me to lift a finger to help. thats for farkers with backbones not jellyfish.
 
2012-12-12 11:27:03 PM  

Di Atribe: But let's not act like ALL drunks act like this or ALL pro athletes act like this. I know it's easier that way, but people do the right thing all the time or else this type of story would be the norm


I've spent almost 15 years responding to crashes of all types and I assure you that this story is more the norm than people know or want to admit. The only difference heres are that the drunk was a football player instead of the 18 year old dead kid my department cut out of what was left of his car this last Sunday morning and in this case someone died rather than merely totaling his car and the car he hit - like the drunk we went to on Friday night.
 
2012-12-13 11:22:47 AM  

JustGetItRight: Di Atribe: But let's not act like ALL drunks act like this or ALL pro athletes act like this. I know it's easier that way, but people do the right thing all the time or else this type of story would be the norm

I've spent almost 15 years responding to crashes of all types and I assure you that this story is more the norm than people know or want to admit. The only difference heres are that the drunk was a football player instead of the 18 year old dead kid my department cut out of what was left of his car this last Sunday morning and in this case someone died rather than merely totaling his car and the car he hit - like the drunk we went to on Friday night.


Can't imagine what you guys see on a regular basis.

OK that's it, never driving again. Who wants to be my helicopter pilot?
 
2012-12-13 02:13:50 PM  

Di Atribe: JustGetItRight: Di Atribe: ***snip***
OK that's it, never driving again. Who wants to be my helicopter pilot?


Not sure how a helicopter works, but I can drive one helluva motorboat. It may take a few weeks to grow, but I also am willing to give mustache rides.
 
2012-12-13 03:09:49 PM  

Di Atribe: JustGetItRight: Di Atribe: But let's not act like ALL drunks act like this or ALL pro athletes act like this. I know it's easier that way, but people do the right thing all the time or else this type of story would be the norm

I've spent almost 15 years responding to crashes of all types and I assure you that this story is more the norm than people know or want to admit. The only difference heres are that the drunk was a football player instead of the 18 year old dead kid my department cut out of what was left of his car this last Sunday morning and in this case someone died rather than merely totaling his car and the car he hit - like the drunk we went to on Friday night.

Can't imagine what you guys see on a regular basis.

OK that's it, never driving again. Who wants to be my helicopter pilot?


I hear you can get an airplane on the cheap in Mexico.

/Aisle seat
 
2012-12-13 03:22:05 PM  

roc6783: It may take a few weeks to grow, but I also am willing to give mustache rides.


my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: I hear you can get an airplane on the cheap in Mexico.


You are both terrible, awful people. I laughed at both of those. Which probably makes me awful, too. Jerks.
 
2012-12-13 10:59:09 PM  

Agent Nick Fury: umad: Agent Nick Fury: Never understood how drunks who get in cars with other drunks are considered victims.

Never understood how idiots can get upset when a dead guy's friends and family don't just shrug it off and act like he never existed right after he dies.

Could have died a thousand ways but chose to die by going out with a friend, getting drunk, flipping a coin on who drives home, and one guy is the victim and the other a heartless murderer,

Absolutely grieve over the loss of a life so young but he isn't a victim - just a young man who made the same wrong decision as the driver.

I'll bet you a month of Total Fark family files a wrongful death suit within a month against the driver even though it came to a coin flip on who would drive.

Loser gets six months of Total Fark.


Where did you hear about a coin flip?
 
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