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(Yahoo)   Protip: If you were the driver in an accident, the car is on fire, and your friend is in the passenger seat "he doesn't want to get out" is not a valid reason to leave him to die   (sports.yahoo.com) divider line 88
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2012-12-12 09:16:42 AM
Brent deserves all of the blame for driving drunk and crashing.

However, these people are pretty assholeish for going out of their way to throw some extra sh*t on the guy - I like how the other person is like "well, I just kept explaining to him why it was important that he go rescue his friend while watching the car burn. That guy isn't a hero." MFer, you're the one who isn't drunk and/or in shock after having been in a car accident - you're the one fully in the scene and you're standing there watching the car burn and trying to explain things to a drunk person.

BTW, literally no one was considering him a hero. No one gets hero points for crashing their car and killing their friend, even if they do eventually pull them from the wreckage.
 
2012-12-12 10:25:22 AM
done in one.
 
2012-12-12 10:28:09 AM
It's not easy pulling a 110 kg linebacker from a burning wreck - especially when you're wasted.

Did this eyewitness do ANYTHING? Cut the man some slack. Josh Brent did his best given the circumstances.
 
2012-12-12 10:28:22 AM
The person you quoted is a woman. How many women do you know who could lift another woman out of a burning car, let alone an NFL football player?

This guy is a coward and a killer and should be exposed as such. Yes, it's a sad story and I can even feel sympathy for the drunk because I'm sure he didn't want to kill his friend. But he did. Don't drink and drive
 
2012-12-12 10:28:28 AM

IAmRight: Brent deserves all of the blame for driving drunk and crashing.

However, these people are pretty assholeish for going out of their way to throw some extra sh*t on the guy - I like how the other person is like "well, I just kept explaining to him why it was important that he go rescue his friend while watching the car burn. That guy isn't a hero." MFer, you're the one who isn't drunk and/or in shock after having been in a car accident - you're the one fully in the scene and you're standing there watching the car burn and trying to explain things to a drunk person.

BTW, literally no one was considering him a hero. No one gets hero points for crashing their car and killing their friend, even if they do eventually pull them from the wreckage.


Exactly. Why weren't these other people trying to help pull him out too? I'm sure that knowing that they stood there and argued with a drunk, shell-shocked guy who'd just been in an accident while his friend was burning alive helps them sleep at night.
 
2012-12-12 10:30:22 AM

IAmRight: Brent deserves all of the blame for driving drunk and crashing.

However, these people are pretty assholeish for going out of their way to throw some extra sh*t on the guy - I like how the other person is like "well, I just kept explaining to him why it was important that he go rescue his friend while watching the car burn. That guy isn't a hero." MFer, you're the one who isn't drunk and/or in shock after having been in a car accident - you're the one fully in the scene and you're standing there watching the car burn and trying to explain things to a drunk person.

BTW, literally no one was considering him a hero. No one gets hero points for crashing their car and killing their friend, even if they do eventually pull them from the wreckage.


I know what a lazy biatch this women was, why didn't she immediately jump into action and drag an NFL player from a burning vehicle. I'm sure he didn't outweigh her by more than 100 pounds, the best option would have clearly been for her to drag the NFL player out by herself instead of trying to get the farking 330 pound drunken asshole who crashed the car to drag his buddy out of the burning vehicle.
 
2012-12-12 10:39:28 AM

Kid the Universe: The person you quoted is a woman. How many women do you know who could lift another woman out of a burning car, let alone an NFL football player?


Instead of arguing, maybe pull Brent over there to help. The "he didn't want to get out" should pretty much tell you that the dude is clearly not thinking straight.

Also, adrenaline is a hell of a drug, and it really ought to be pumping if you see someone trapped in a burning car.

I understand not wanting to do it yourself - I mean, it's a burning car, we often have this notion that cars are going to explode, thanks to movies, etc. - and it would be difficult. However, making a point to criticize someone else who also wasn't helping (it would've been less difficult for Brent, but he was also clearly not in his right mind) throughout the media to address a "problem" that doesn't exist is the problem.

BTW, even if he did have to be told what to do, largely because his thought processes were probably impaired, it's still SOMEthing that he went into a burning car and pulled the dude out. Because honestly, I'm not sure I'd risk my life going into a fire to save someone. One of those situations where I don't know until it happens, and I have a plan for if it does...but I just really, really hope it never happens to me.
 
2012-12-12 10:39:29 AM
You must be new to life if you think it is rare to have to twist a person's arm into doing the right thing.
 
2012-12-12 10:39:54 AM
Meh, the dude was probably in shock.

I've helped out at a few traffic accidents, people tend to say nonsensical shiat, or worry about trivial things (like their headlights being on and draining the battery) while their car is totalled and they're badly hurt.
 
2012-12-12 10:40:40 AM

js34603: I know what a lazy biatch this women was, why didn't she immediately jump into action and drag an NFL player from a burning vehicle.


It's not about her being lazy, it's about her being a b*tch.
 
2012-12-12 10:41:35 AM

mc_madness: It's not easy pulling a 110 kg linebacker from a burning wreck - especially when you're wasted.

Did this eyewitness do ANYTHING? Cut the man some slack. Josh Brent did his best given the circumstances.


Fark him and fark you, this guy is a piece of sh#t. The fact that the other guy was apparently a close friend from college makes it even worse. I almost puked when after the game, Jason Garret said in the press conference said the team wanted to honor their lost teammate. Honor him for what? I've been involed in an accident or two and yes, there is shock and disorientation. But when you see someone at risk you snap out of it.
 
2012-12-12 10:42:48 AM

mc_madness: It's not easy pulling a 110 kg linebacker from a burning wreck - especially when you're wasted.

Did this eyewitness do ANYTHING? Cut the man some slack. Josh Brent did his best given the circumstances.


Yes clearly the drunken asshole who crashed the car deserves some slack for being too drunk to help. The blame rests on this women for not dragging the NFL linebacker out of a burning car. What a lazy biatch right?

I hope none of my female relations ever have the misfortune of driving up on an accident involving an NFL player because apparently it will be their fault they are incapable of dragging a 220 lb NFL linebacker from a car and Fark will call them lazy and ask how they sleep at night.
 
2012-12-12 10:44:27 AM

js34603: The blame rests on this women for not dragging the NFL linebacker out of a burning car.


Again, it's not about that. It's about, "But I want people to understand that Josh Brent is not a hero. I keep hearing reports of how he was there to pull his friend from the fire, but he had to be coerced and pushed and begged and pleaded to get his friend out of the fire. And when he pulled him out, he just left him in the street. He didn't tell him 'Hang in there, help is on the way'. Nothing. He just left him there and I want the magnitude of that to be understood."

That is why she's a b*tch.
 
2012-12-12 10:46:25 AM

js34603: Fark will call them lazy


js34603: The blame rests on this women for not dragging the NFL linebacker out of a burning car. What a lazy biatch right?


Nobody has called her lazy, but you have now defeated the strawman twice.

Nobody is absolving the drunk driver of blame, either. However, a drunk person that was just in an accident isn't the most clear thinking individual available. Standing and yelling at him to think straight probably isn't going to help much.
 
2012-12-12 10:49:52 AM

bulldg4life: Standing and yelling at him to think straight probably isn't going to help much.


But even that is fine. It did impel him to do the right thing.

Complaining to the media about the fact that he didn't do anything until you stood and yelled at him, and therefore people should think even worse of him (because believe me, no one is thinking highly of the dude that drove drunk and killed his friend), because you're worried that he might even get the tiniest shred of sympathy/respect for having pulled his dying friend (which, again, he killed) from a burning car? C'mon.
 
2012-12-12 10:50:12 AM
This woman's story is already being blown to bits in the media here. She has admitted she was drunk. She offered up details that either she couldn't have known or are easily disproved.

I don't know why you or anyone at yahoo would be so quick to believe her account of the accident.
 
2012-12-12 10:50:41 AM

IAmRight: MFer, you're the one who isn't drunk and/or in shock after having been in a car accident - you're the one fully in the scene and you're standing there watching the car burn and trying to explain things to a drunk person.


Because a woman is going to go into a flaming wreck and pull a 300-lb lineman out of a car on her own.

I'm not a small weakling by any stretch of the imagination, and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have been able to pull a 300-lb. lineman out of a car, fire notwithstanding.

Brent is a piece of shiat and he deserves anything that comes along with that.

The guy who
 
2012-12-12 10:53:22 AM
my wifes uncle was involeved in a very serious car crash this summer, he was hit and trapped in his envoy by a drunk driver, with a broken back, and shattered ankles, the driver of the other car managed to get out and away from his burning car, not telling any of the other passengers in the envoy, that there were 3 more drunks in the burning car until it was too late to help.

not getting a kick, uncle jim is a volenteer fire fighter who was completely unable of helping anyone

guess what champ if you hit someone or something, drunk or not it is your duty to help however possible
 
2012-12-12 10:58:27 AM

Di Atribe: I don't know why you or anyone at yahoo would be so quick to believe her account of the accident.


To continue this:

"Johnson, who shared two mobile phone pictures she took of the scene that night, said she never heard McWilliams command Brent to extricate Brown.

Johnson said she only came forward after hearing McWilliams' story.

Brent's defense attorney attacked that story Tuesday afternoon.

"This woman while present in the area of the accident could not have seen nor heard any of the things she has said about Josh," said George Milner, Brent's attorney, while reading from a two-page statement.

Milner, who refused to answer questions from reporters, said police interviewed McWilliams earlier in the day and discounted some of her claims.

"She has now admitted she was not that close to the actual scene," Milner said. "She admitted to have been drinking that evening."

"It is believed Mr. Brown was already deceased and could not have possibly uttered the calls for help claimed by Ms. McWilliams," he added.

But the second witness, Pam Johnson, said she could hear moaning coming from the overturned vehicle where Brown was trapped.

"When he was pulled out, he wasn't moving," she said.

Johnson said she thought Brent was in shock after the accident, and that's the reason he did not immediately extricate Brown.

He wasn't ignoring him, Brent just looked like he was uncertain what to do, according to Johnson."

That's how a non-b*tch would address the situation.
 
2012-12-12 11:01:08 AM
Look, I hate those who drink and drive. In fact, I hate those who say "well, who hasn't driven when they've had too much to drink?" I haven't. So go fark yourself.

But I digress. I have no sympathy for Josh Brent. He did a dangerous and stupid thing that age is no excuse for. At the same time, I can't hold it against him he wasn't helping after the crash. He may have had a concussion (not from football). Plenty of physically OK people are too disoriented or shocked after an accident to help. Brent deserves all the blame for the crash, but afterwards? Eh.
 
2012-12-12 11:02:50 AM
And do any of you really think that under any circumstances, any of you would walk away from a FIERY WRECK in which your friend was at the very least severely injured? These two were like brothers. They went to college together & their families are close. Brent was at the funeral yesterday. I don't think that happens if they're just acquaintances on the same team.

And really, how does a witness get into the news that fast? Hm.
 
2012-12-12 11:10:24 AM

SkittlesAreYum: I have no sympathy for Josh Brent.


I don't think anyone's asking us to sympathize with the guy. He knows he farked up. It's not like he's strutting around telling everyone they're just haters & we all do it. When they showed him on the news when he was released on bond, he looked truly scared & devastated. He knows what he did. So I think we can let up on calling the man every name in the book.
 
2012-12-12 11:11:36 AM

Di Atribe: And do any of you really think that under any circumstances, any of you would walk away from a FIERY WRECK in which your friend was at the very least severely injured?


Under the circumstances where I may be drunk AND in shock, I wouldn't be surprised. Also, if it's a really bad fire...I'm honest enough to say I'm not sure I would. Everyone likes to think that they'd be the hero, but it's far more common not to be.
 
2012-12-12 11:17:20 AM

Di Atribe: This woman's story is already being blown to bits in the media here. She has admitted she was drunk. She offered up details that either she couldn't have known or are easily disproved.

I don't know why you or anyone at yahoo would be so quick to believe her account of the accident.


Now that's not cool, no one's integrity should have to be questioned alongside Yahoo.
 
2012-12-12 11:24:39 AM

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: Now that's not cool, no one's integrity should have to be questioned alongside Yahoo.


Two laughs. One for the comment & one for the login. Excellent.


IAmRight: Under the circumstances where I may be drunk AND in shock, I wouldn't be surprised. Also, if it's a really bad fire...I'm honest enough to say I'm not sure I would. Everyone likes to think that they'd be the hero, but it's far more common not to be.


Would you hesitate if it was your wife? Because I don't think you would. People react differently to traumatic situations, but when it's someone you love, you're not thinking about your own well-being.
 
2012-12-12 11:44:26 AM

Di Atribe: Would you hesitate if it was your wife? Because I don't think you would. People react differently to traumatic situations, but when it's someone you love, you're not thinking about your own well-being.


I don't THINK I would - but remember Saving Private Ryan? I don't think homie thought he'd be cowering in a stairwell while his buddy got stabbed to death. There are lots of cases where things like that happen.

Again, I'm pretty sure I would do everything I can, but I don't feel like anyone can say for certain until they've been in such a situation. And fortunately, most people don't deal with such situations - I'm hoping to be one of those people.

It's kinda like people that rip on others for failing to predict the future accurately - it's inherently unknowable, so why should I put on a tough-guy act and pretend that I would?

I've felt indirect fire hit within 20 meters of me and bounce me up off the ground. I heard someone scream after that. I didn't move, and no one else in the squad/group/detachment/platoon (the whole thing seemed kinda disorganized - we were basically a 50-person posse that was rounded up for three days of blocking a road to Fallujah) that was lined up in the prone position did, either. I'm pretty sure it's because hey, we've been attacked, we're supposed to keep our eyes peeled for anyone that might be approaching (and there are medics back there helping). But what if that wasn't the actual reason? What if I froze and just told myself that the medics would take care of it a second later to excuse myself not going and finding him in the night?

He's alive and I'm pretty sure he has all his limbs still - after all, there actually were medics and they actually DID attend to him immediately following the incident), but I heard his legs were messed up pretty bad, and I probably wouldn't have been able to do anything...but damn near no one out there moved. Part of that was our jobs - but did everyone (but the medics and platoon commander) stay in place simply because they knew that they were to protect against a possible ground attack?

Who knows?

Similarly, who knows what they'd do in that situation? Fortunately, life isn't the movies, and in most accidents there's no fire making it an immediate do-or-die situation.
 
2012-12-12 11:56:52 AM

SkittlesAreYum: Look, I hate those who drink and drive. In fact, I hate those who say "well, who hasn't driven when they've had too much to drink?" I haven't. So go fark yourself.

But I digress. I have no sympathy for Josh Brent. He did a dangerous and stupid thing that age is no excuse for. At the same time, I can't hold it against him he wasn't helping after the crash. He may have had a concussion (not from football). Plenty of physically OK people are too disoriented or shocked after an accident to help. Brent deserves all the blame for the crash, but afterwards? Eh.


Sure, you say that now but I was there and I saw what you did. Saw it with my own two eyes. So you can wipe off that grin, I know where you've been, It's all been a pack of lies.

/And then I do an awesome air drum solo
 
2012-12-12 12:00:39 PM

ScreamingLemur46: SkittlesAreYum: Look, I hate those who drink and drive. In fact, I hate those who say "well, who hasn't driven when they've had too much to drink?" I haven't. So go fark yourself.

But I digress. I have no sympathy for Josh Brent. He did a dangerous and stupid thing that age is no excuse for. At the same time, I can't hold it against him he wasn't helping after the crash. He may have had a concussion (not from football). Plenty of physically OK people are too disoriented or shocked after an accident to help. Brent deserves all the blame for the crash, but afterwards? Eh.

Sure, you say that now but I was there and I saw what you did. Saw it with my own two eyes. So you can wipe off that grin, I know where you've been, It's all been a pack of lies.

/And then I do an awesome air drum solo


that would be THE air drum solo
 
2012-12-12 12:01:31 PM

Di Atribe: This woman's story is already being blown to bits in the media here. She has admitted she was drunk. She offered up details that either she couldn't have known or are easily disproved.

I don't know why you or anyone at yahoo would be so quick to believe her account of the accident.


Good link, Di. I heard that, too. Sounds to me like she's just another dipshiat (and a drunk driver, herself) looking for her 15 minutes of fame.

Any time a witness to a scene like that provides so much detail, I'm immediately skeptical.
 
2012-12-12 12:02:41 PM

IAmRight: Kid the Universe: The person you quoted is a woman. How many women do you know who could lift another woman out of a burning car, let alone an NFL football player?

Instead of arguing, maybe pull Brent over there to help. The "he didn't want to get out" should pretty much tell you that the dude is clearly not thinking straight.

Also, adrenaline is a hell of a drug, and it really ought to be pumping if you see someone trapped in a burning car.

I understand not wanting to do it yourself - I mean, it's a burning car, we often have this notion that cars are going to explode, thanks to movies, etc. - and it would be difficult. However, making a point to criticize someone else who also wasn't helping (it would've been less difficult for Brent, but he was also clearly not in his right mind) throughout the media to address a "problem" that doesn't exist is the problem.

BTW, even if he did have to be told what to do, largely because his thought processes were probably impaired, it's still SOMEthing that he went into a burning car and pulled the dude out. Because honestly, I'm not sure I'd risk my life going into a fire to save someone. One of those situations where I don't know until it happens, and I have a plan for if it does...but I just really, really hope it never happens to me.


Not sure you'd try to save him? Glad we're not friends. Sheesh.
 
2012-12-12 12:05:38 PM

the biggest redneck here: IAmRight: Kid the Universe: The person you quoted is a woman. How many women do you know who could lift another woman out of a burning car, let alone an NFL football player?

Instead of arguing, maybe pull Brent over there to help. The "he didn't want to get out" should pretty much tell you that the dude is clearly not thinking straight.

Also, adrenaline is a hell of a drug, and it really ought to be pumping if you see someone trapped in a burning car.

I understand not wanting to do it yourself - I mean, it's a burning car, we often have this notion that cars are going to explode, thanks to movies, etc. - and it would be difficult. However, making a point to criticize someone else who also wasn't helping (it would've been less difficult for Brent, but he was also clearly not in his right mind) throughout the media to address a "problem" that doesn't exist is the problem.

BTW, even if he did have to be told what to do, largely because his thought processes were probably impaired, it's still SOMEthing that he went into a burning car and pulled the dude out. Because honestly, I'm not sure I'd risk my life going into a fire to save someone. One of those situations where I don't know until it happens, and I have a plan for if it does...but I just really, really hope it never happens to me.

Not sure you'd try to save him? Glad we're not friends. Sheesh.


Pro Tip: dont EVER let IAMRIGHT babysit for you either.
 
2012-12-12 12:07:34 PM

the biggest redneck here: Not sure you'd try to save him? Glad we're not friends. Sheesh.


Your friends will tell you for sure that they'd save you, but odds are likely that several of them are lying. I am being honest with you and saying I'm not sure I would if it were a situation where it would be endangering my own life as well. I think I would, but I can't be sure unless it happens.

I prefer honesty to bravado. I don't get upset at people when they make human errors unless they claim that they wouldn't ever make an error in the first place.
 
2012-12-12 12:08:14 PM

IAmRight: Similarly, who knows what they'd do in that situation? Fortunately, life isn't the movies, and in most accidents there's no fire making it an immediate do-or-die situation.


That was a good post. I have nothing to add to that. Mark your calendars.


4NTLRZ: Good link, Di. I heard that, too. Sounds to me like she's just another dipshiat (and a drunk driver, herself) looking for her 15 minutes of fame.

Any time a witness to a scene like that provides so much detail, I'm immediately skeptical.


Yeah, she was out in the media WAY too fast. Some people just want to be part of something so badly that they're willing to exaggerate & lie, completely oblivious to the fact that their lies are easily debunked. I guess she's in shock & not making good decisions.
 
2012-12-12 12:09:44 PM

Di Atribe: This woman's story is already being blown to bits in the media here. She has admitted she was drunk. She offered up details that either she couldn't have known or are easily disproved.

I don't know why you or anyone at yahoo would be so quick to believe her account of the accident.


Shock does amazing things to the body, like shutting it down. One might think it farks the mind as well. I blew off the woman's remarks, upon my first reading.
 
2012-12-12 12:12:16 PM

js34603: I hope none of my female relations ever have the misfortune of driving up on an accident involving an NFL player because apparently it will be their fault they are incapable of dragging a 220 lb NFL linebacker from a car and Fark will call them lazy and ask how they sleep at night.


Even a small woman can go check and see if it is an issue like he is trapped in his seatbelt, or if something is lodged in the door stopping him from opening it.

But it is nice to see that you expect all females to offer zero help but expect someone who was just in an accident to be fully mentally prepared to react quickly.

I agree with IAmRight; the guy is an asshole for driving drunk (and getting in an accident), but biatching that he didn't react the right way is just piling on.
 
2012-12-12 12:12:59 PM
So who wants to go out drunk driving to the bar to watch some football?
 
2012-12-12 12:15:11 PM

Di Atribe: SkittlesAreYum: I have no sympathy for Josh Brent.

I don't think anyone's asking us to sympathize with the guy. He knows he farked up. It's not like he's strutting around telling everyone they're just haters & we all do it. When they showed him on the news when he was released on bond, he looked truly scared & devastated. He knows what he did. So I think we can let up on calling the man every name in the book.


I sympathize for the guy. He just made a stupid choice, killed his friend, ruined his life, and has to live with that. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

I hope the law hits him as hard as possible, but I still sympathize for him.
 
2012-12-12 12:34:53 PM

IAmRight: the biggest redneck here: Not sure you'd try to save him? Glad we're not friends. Sheesh.

Your friends will tell you for sure that they'd save you, but odds are likely that several of them are lying. I am being honest with you and saying I'm not sure I would if it were a situation where it would be endangering my own life as well. I think I would, but I can't be sure unless it happens.

I prefer honesty to bravado. I don't get upset at people when they make human errors unless they claim that they wouldn't ever make an error in the first place.


True to a degree, but if you're the one who's largely responsible for me being in that position, get your goddamn hands in the vehicle. I'm aware of which of my friends would do such, as well as those who might hesitate.
 
2012-12-12 12:41:42 PM

Crewmannumber6: mc_madness: It's not easy pulling a 110 kg linebacker from a burning wreck - especially when you're wasted.

Did this eyewitness do ANYTHING? Cut the man some slack. Josh Brent did his best given the circumstances.

Fark him and fark you, this guy is a piece of sh#t. The fact that the other guy was apparently a close friend from college makes it even worse. I almost puked when after the game, Jason Garret said in the press conference said the team wanted to honor their lost teammate. Honor him for what? I've been involed in an accident or two and yes, there is shock and disorientation. But when you see someone at risk you snap out of it.


Yeah! Fark that guy for getting killed. They need to get over it. It isn't that big of a deal.
 
2012-12-12 12:42:02 PM
Brent farked up big time and is going to paying the price for a long time. I have know idea if he will actually get jail time but if he was a close to Brown as the media say jail is a minor problem this guy is going have over time.

/Can't imagine sobering up and realizing I am responsible for my friends death. That has got to put you in a really bad place mentally.
 
2012-12-12 12:44:00 PM

the biggest redneck here: True to a degree, but if you're the one who's largely responsible for me being in that position, get your goddamn hands in the vehicle. I'm aware of which of my friends would do such, as well as those who might hesitate.


True, and to that point I'd mention that at this point in my life, I'm definitely not going to drive drunk (and at no point did I take passengers if I was driving drunk). As part of the "not being sure what I'd do" in situations like that, I pretty much make sure that I don't put myself in positions where it's got a decent chance of happening.
 
2012-12-12 12:54:54 PM

xtalman: Brent farked up big time and is going to paying the price for a long time. I have know idea if he will actually get jail time but if he was a close to Brown as the media say jail is a minor problem this guy is going have over time.

/Can't imagine sobering up and realizing I am responsible for my friends death. That has got to put you in a really bad place mentally.


Yup.

One of the Marines I, well, didn't really know but got assigned to me like three days earlier and I saw him once drove drunk to post (let's count the things wrong: Underage drinking, underage drinking on base, heading out to what was a dry camp (practice for people heading to Iraq), drunk driving, drunk driving on base, drunk driving ON BASE TO WORK) and crashed his car into a post, killing his friend (and battle buddy).

Sucks since I'd only met them for a short bit the few days earlier before driving them out to their posts...I didn't smell anything so I thought they were just going to be the new guys that talked a lot and were annoying...now I look back and think they were probably drunk that first day, too, and I could've said something, at least.

But yeah, dude was pretty damn depressed whenever we saw him after. No smiles for the rest of the time he was on base (they sent him back to his unit shortly after and probably prosecuted him from there).
 
2012-12-12 12:56:36 PM

IAmRight: Di Atribe: Would you hesitate if it was your wife? Because I don't think you would. People react differently to traumatic situations, but when it's someone you love, you're not thinking about your own well-being.

I don't THINK I would - but remember Saving Private Ryan? I don't think homie thought he'd be cowering in a stairwell while his buddy got stabbed to death. There are lots of cases where things like that happen.

Again, I'm pretty sure I would do everything I can, but I don't feel like anyone can say for certain until they've been in such a situation. And fortunately, most people don't deal with such situations - I'm hoping to be one of those people.

It's kinda like people that rip on others for failing to predict the future accurately - it's inherently unknowable, so why should I put on a tough-guy act and pretend that I would?

I've felt indirect fire hit within 20 meters of me and bounce me up off the ground. I heard someone scream after that. I didn't move, and no one else in the squad/group/detachment/platoon (the whole thing seemed kinda disorganized - we were basically a 50-person posse that was rounded up for three days of blocking a road to Fallujah) that was lined up in the prone position did, either. I'm pretty sure it's because hey, we've been attacked, we're supposed to keep our eyes peeled for anyone that might be approaching (and there are medics back there helping). But what if that wasn't the actual reason? What if I froze and just told myself that the medics would take care of it a second later to excuse myself not going and finding him in the night?

He's alive and I'm pretty sure he has all his limbs still - after all, there actually were medics and they actually DID attend to him immediately following the incident), but I heard his legs were messed up pretty bad, and I probably wouldn't have been able to do anything...but damn near no one out there moved. Part of that was our jobs - but did everyone (but the medics and platoon commande ...


See, I was all set to go off on a snarky rant about how life is juuuust like the movies, and then you go on to elaborate and explain that you were in a situation much closer to the scene in question than likely anyone else in this thread...

/Makes it kind of hard to call you out when you back stuff up, write clearly, and use examples. Jerk.
 
2012-12-12 01:01:09 PM
What was his BAC? Seems to be left out of all the stories I've read. Guessing it was right at .08 and it's left out to sensationalize the story.
 
2012-12-12 01:01:45 PM

Di Atribe: So I think we can let up on calling the man every name in the book.


No we can't. Drunk drivers, man. fark 'em.
 
2012-12-12 01:02:11 PM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: See, I was all set to go off on a snarky rant about how life is juuuust like the movies, and then you go on to elaborate and explain that you were in a situation much closer to the scene in question than likely anyone else in this thread...


Now, that's not to say that there weren't some people who were really badass after that stuff hit - SSgt DeLeon took control of everyone that was out there, made sure everyone knew what was going on and what their role was shortly after. It was pretty funny to observe how little rank suddenly mattered - that dude was clearly in control while there were MSgts and above that were completely silent, went and hid, or otherwise.

I mean, this is part of why we give Hero tags to firemen or others who run into burning buildings to save people - it's NOT something that is really expected of everyone.
 
2012-12-12 01:03:29 PM

Slow To Return: Di Atribe: So I think we can let up on calling the man every name in the book.

No we can't. Drunk drivers, man. fark 'em.


So killing people in a car is alright so long as you're not drunk.

Two can play your game.
 
2012-12-12 01:10:15 PM

IAmRight: Brent deserves all of the blame for driving drunk and crashing.

However, these people are pretty assholeish for going out of their way to throw some extra sh*t on the guy - I like how the other person is like "well, I just kept explaining to him why it was important that he go rescue his friend while watching the car burn. That guy isn't a hero." MFer, you're the one who isn't drunk and/or in shock after having been in a car accident - you're the one fully in the scene and you're standing there watching the car burn and trying to explain things to a drunk person.

BTW, literally no one was considering him a hero. No one gets hero points for crashing their car and killing their friend, even if they do eventually pull them from the wreckage.


Why don't these NFL teams provide a free shuttle service or something to players who've been drinking. Like, how much would it cost the team to have a couple vans on call. The coaches/owners could be like...look, we don't condone these actions, but if you're too drunk to drive...we'll pick you up. Don't make a bad situation worse.
 
2012-12-12 01:10:53 PM

umad: Crewmannumber6: mc_madness: It's not easy pulling a 110 kg linebacker from a burning wreck - especially when you're wasted.

Did this eyewitness do ANYTHING? Cut the man some slack. Josh Brent did his best given the circumstances.

Fark him and fark you, this guy is a piece of sh#t. The fact that the other guy was apparently a close friend from college makes it even worse. I almost puked when after the game, Jason Garret said in the press conference said the team wanted to honor their lost teammate. Honor him for what? I've been involed in an accident or two and yes, there is shock and disorientation. But when you see someone at risk you snap out of it.

Yeah! Fark that guy for getting killed. They need to get over it. It isn't that big of a deal.


There was no honor involved with anyone in this scenario. That word should carry more weight.
 
2012-12-12 01:11:43 PM

Di Atribe: This woman's story is already being blown to bits in the media here. She has admitted she was drunk. She offered up details that either she couldn't have known or are easily disproved.

I don't know why you or anyone at yahoo would be so quick to believe her account of the accident.


Yahoo's job is to sell page impressions to drive up their stock price. We clicked on the link and looked at their ads and drove up their stock price. They don't give a flying fark about the fate dead guy or the reputation of the live guy. They just like money.
 
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