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2012-12-12 09:11:13 AM
Yet all seem to believe implicitly that what is good for the CEO class is by definition what's good for America.

Consensus building. The Very Serious People all across the conservative media are pushing the narrative that deficits and debt are the country's biggest problems right now. So now we're entertaining cutting social welfare spending at a time when 1 in 5 children live in poverty and income inequality has never been greater, as if those cuts are completely necessary and it's obvious how those cuts are equal in negotiating weight to raising the upper bracket of taxes less than 4 goddamn percent. The middle and poor classes will continue to grind it out, barely hanging on, complaining about how the American dream is no longer a possibility, wondering how we got to this point. The rich will sigh heavily.
 
2012-12-12 12:03:47 PM
I don't think we needed any more evidence that Politico is worthless. Well written article, however.
 
2012-12-12 12:09:19 PM
The story proceeds to describe the obviously sensible agenda agreed upon by these sources: It is vital to reduce the deficit through tax reform and stingier entitlements, along with more free trade, resource extraction, and liberalized immigration.

I read that list and see "tax cuts for the wealthy, slashing social services, moar outsourcing, drill baby drill, and cutting wages by giving low-wage jobs to migrant workers".

Hope. Change?
 
2012-12-12 12:13:38 PM
"CEOs who spoke to us on super-double-secret background agree that the best way to supercharge the economy is to give them everything they want. They also agree that the deficit can be eliminated if we can all accept the short-term discomfort of giving them control of social security."

Your Washington Consensus, ladies and gentleman.
 
2012-12-12 12:14:03 PM

Tremolo: I don't think we needed any more evidence that Politico is worthless


That same piece could have come from almost any so-called mainstream news source. The fact that it was from Politico is probably the least important thing in TFA.
 
2012-12-12 12:19:44 PM

Karma Curmudgeon: Tremolo: I don't think we needed any more evidence that Politico is worthless

That same piece could have come from almost any so-called mainstream news source. The fact that it was from Politico is probably the least important thing in TFA.


True, also me calling Politico "worthless" contradicts the conceit of the headline. Feh.
 
2012-12-12 12:20:39 PM
"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why they are poor, they call me a Communist." -Roman Catholic Archbishop Hélder Câmara

"When Republicans cut my taxes, they call me a job creator. When I ask why there are no jobs, I get Republicans elected to Congress to cut my taxes." -Herpaderp McWhitey, CEO of Conglomerated Incorporated BusinessCo Enterprises Holdings Company ("offices" on Park Ave in NYC, HQ'd at a PO Box in DE/the Caymans)
 
2012-12-12 12:31:17 PM
Politician A: We need to reach a consensus.
Politician B: That means we both might not get what we want.
A: Agreed. We will both need to make tough sacrifices.
B: Howzabout we sacrifice our constituants to serve our mutual self interest?
A: Mutual self interest? But our parties have nothing in common!
B: True, but the both if us are indepenently wealthy and are still secured lucrative positions at brain trusts if we should blow a reelection campaign.
A: You're right. Lets go perpetuate an oligarchy at the expense of the peons.
 
2012-12-12 12:31:30 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Yet all seem to believe implicitly that what is good for the CEO class is by definition what's good for America.

Consensus building. The Very Serious People all across the conservative media are pushing the narrative that deficits and debt are the country's biggest problems right now. So now we're entertaining cutting social welfare spending at a time when 1 in 5 children live in poverty and income inequality has never been greater, as if those cuts are completely necessary and it's obvious how those cuts are equal in negotiating weight to raising the upper bracket of taxes less than 4 goddamn percent. The middle and poor classes will continue to grind it out, barely hanging on, complaining about how the American dream is no longer a possibility, wondering how we got to this point. The rich will sigh heavily.



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"Today for the first time in history, the largest group of Americans living in poverty are children. 1 in 5 children live in the most abject, dangerous, hopeless, back-breaking, gut-wrenching poverty any of us could imagine. 1 in 5, and they're children. If fidelity to freedom of democracy is the code of our civic religion then surely the code of our humanity is faithful service to that unwritten commandment that says we shall give our children better than we ourselves received."
 
2012-12-12 12:43:01 PM

bdMurray: Politician A: We need to reach a consensus.
Politician B: That means we both might not get what we want.
A: Agreed. We will both need to make tough sacrifices.
B: Howzabout we sacrifice our constituants to serve our mutual self interest?
A: Mutual self interest? But our parties have nothing in common!
B: True, but the both if us are indepenently wealthy and are still secured lucrative positions at brain trusts if we should blow a reelection campaign.
A: You're right. Lets go perpetuate an oligarchy at the expense of the peons.


Yep. It sucks and there's nothing we can do about it short of revolution, but things are going to have to get a whole lot worse before that seems palatable.
 
2012-12-12 12:47:02 PM
Christ. The referenced article mentions a "certainty premium"
Hey look, its the confidence fairy again! Gee, lets go talk to Europe and see how their confidence fairy helped their economy....
oh wait...
 
2012-12-12 12:58:53 PM

JesusJuice: bdMurray: Politician A: We need to reach a consensus.
Politician B: That means we both might not get what we want.
A: Agreed. We will both need to make tough sacrifices.
B: Howzabout we sacrifice our constituants to serve our mutual self interest?
A: Mutual self interest? But our parties have nothing in common!
B: True, but the both if us are indepenently wealthy and are still secured lucrative positions at brain trusts if we should blow a reelection campaign.
A: You're right. Lets go perpetuate an oligarchy at the expense of the peons.

Yep. It sucks and there's nothing we can do about it short of revolution, but things are going to have to get a whole lot worse before that seems palatable.


Pretty much.
 
2012-12-12 01:01:41 PM

JesusJuice: bdMurray: Politician A: We need to reach a consensus.
Politician B: That means we both might not get what we want.
A: Agreed. We will both need to make tough sacrifices.
B: Howzabout we sacrifice our constituants to serve our mutual self interest?
A: Mutual self interest? But our parties have nothing in common!
B: True, but the both if us are indepenently wealthy and are still secured lucrative positions at brain trusts if we should blow a reelection campaign.
A: You're right. Lets go perpetuate an oligarchy at the expense of the peons.

Yep. It sucks and there's nothing we can do about it short of revolution, but things are going to have to get a whole lot worse before that seems palatable.


Its time for a second Constitutional Convention. Representitives will be chosen from each state in proportion to the current electoral college. The finished constitution (deadline of 3the years) would then be ratified by all the states and territories. We could then dissolve the current federal government after 100% ratification is achieved.

Sure it's a lofty goal, but at least there is no armed revolution. If the fundies don't like changing the old constitution, they can propose as much of the old one's wording as they can reasonably defend.
 
2012-12-12 01:15:32 PM
I'm sorry, I must have missed something. Was that written by Captain Obvious, or Ric Romero? I didn't see anything new in there, and a hell of a lot that was old news 10 years ago. Or was that the point of the headline?
 
2012-12-12 01:28:08 PM

HugsAndPuppies: I'm sorry, I must have missed something. Was that written by Captain Obvious, or Ric Romero? I didn't see anything new in there, and a hell of a lot that was old news 10 years ago. Or was that the point of the headline?


I think the point of the article was that someone at New York Magazine wanted to sound smart and used Politico as a punching bag. This type of article riles up people who think West Wing is how politics (should) works
 
2012-12-12 01:32:15 PM

bdMurray: JesusJuice: bdMurray: Politician A: We need to reach a consensus.
Politician B: That means we both might not get what we want.
A: Agreed. We will both need to make tough sacrifices.
B: Howzabout we sacrifice our constituants to serve our mutual self interest?
A: Mutual self interest? But our parties have nothing in common!
B: True, but the both if us are indepenently wealthy and are still secured lucrative positions at brain trusts if we should blow a reelection campaign.
A: You're right. Lets go perpetuate an oligarchy at the expense of the peons.

Yep. It sucks and there's nothing we can do about it short of revolution, but things are going to have to get a whole lot worse before that seems palatable.

Its time for a second Constitutional Convention. Representitives will be chosen from each state in proportion to the current electoral college. The finished constitution (deadline of 3the years) would then be ratified by all the states and territories. We could then dissolve the current federal government after 100% ratification is achieved.

Sure it's a lofty goal, but at least there is no armed revolution. If the fundies don't like changing the old constitution, they can propose as much of the old one's wording as they can reasonably defend.


You don't need 100% ratification.

You write an amendment to the old constitution that says "This document is null and void and superseded entirely by the new constitution" and ratify it in the normal way like any other amendment.
 
2012-12-12 01:33:44 PM
The GOP is using the economy and the deficit as a cudgel, to bludgeon the ACA to death. They cannot allow a social program of such magnitude be implemented under a Democrat President.

No matter how many lives it saves. No mater how much money it saves. No matter how good it is for the country.

This is about partisan politics and nothing else.

/ They promised their corporate masters that they could hold Healthcare over the workers heads in perpetuity and they dropped the ball.
 
2012-12-12 01:41:59 PM

WTF Indeed: HugsAndPuppies: I'm sorry, I must have missed something. Was that written by Captain Obvious, or Ric Romero? I didn't see anything new in there, and a hell of a lot that was old news 10 years ago. Or was that the point of the headline?

I think the point of the article was that someone at New York Magazine wanted to sound smart and used Politico as a punching bag. This type of article riles up people who think West Wing is how politics (should) works


Ah, paycheck justification. Now it makes sense.
 
2012-12-12 01:44:35 PM

Tremolo: Karma Curmudgeon: Tremolo: I don't think we needed any more evidence that Politico is worthless

That same piece could have come from almost any so-called mainstream news source. The fact that it was from Politico is probably the least important thing in TFA.

True, also me calling Politico "worthless" contradicts the conceit of the headline. Feh.


Actually, calling Politico "worthless" is repeating yourself...
 
2012-12-12 01:55:09 PM
If there is class warfare going on in America than it appears to be a farking blow-out. Unions may be bloated bureaucracies sometimes but I have a feeling that a lot of blue-collar folks are gonna be missing them in a few years in the mid-west. But then again, if you manage to get the working man's wages below China's, than you can start exporting cheap crap to them! It's win/win... except for the 300 million Americans who aren't rich.
 
2012-12-12 02:30:06 PM
The media's bias isn't in favor of Democrats or Republicans, it's toward the powerful. Powerful and influential people are fawned over, implicitly respected and trusted, apologized for. And if they lose power or influence, they are ridiculed, lamented, condescended to and softly chastised for speaking out of turn. But should they then become powerful again, the fawning comes back stronger than ever, because who doesn't love a good comeback story?

From time to time, the pundit class falls in love with one party or ideology over another, but typically it has almost nothing to do with what that ideology is. They're simply perceived to be the winners, and pundits love winners. Remember when Chris Matthews was a George W. Bush cheerleader? For that matter, remember when the sensible position was that Iraq was a necessary and just war, and only intellectually confused leftist radicals opposed it? I hope someone does, because the media sure doesn't.
 
2012-12-12 02:32:46 PM
There are people who are comfortable.
And there are people who are not.

The people who are comfortable, tend to be in the upper ranks
and aren't truly aware of the lives and challenges of those who are not. (and if you were, you aren't anymore)

People live in their own bubble.
It is rare to have someone who is cognizant and empathetic in any other direction.
 
2012-12-12 03:04:32 PM
4chan?
 
2012-12-12 03:07:03 PM

Epoch_Zero: 4chan?


Potatoco?
 
2012-12-12 03:08:15 PM
I used to describe Politico as "the Us Magazine of politics," until I heard someone call it "Tiger Beat on the Potomic." I like that one better.
 
2012-12-12 03:19:26 PM

Tremolo: I don't think we needed any more evidence that Politico is worthless. Well written article, however.


To be fair, Politico is one turdsqueak up from CNN, which is literally saying nothing at all.
 
2012-12-12 03:24:52 PM
For those of you who don't feel like reading TFA, please allow me to encapsulate: Politico is full of shiat.
 
2012-12-12 03:39:59 PM
American Thinker?
 
2012-12-12 03:55:55 PM

KWess: Dusk-You-n-Me: Yet all seem to believe implicitly that what is good for the CEO class is by definition what's good for America.

Consensus building. The Very Serious People all across the conservative media are pushing the narrative that deficits and debt are the country's biggest problems right now. So now we're entertaining cutting social welfare spending at a time when 1 in 5 children live in poverty and income inequality has never been greater, as if those cuts are completely necessary and it's obvious how those cuts are equal in negotiating weight to raising the upper bracket of taxes less than 4 goddamn percent. The middle and poor classes will continue to grind it out, barely hanging on, complaining about how the American dream is no longer a possibility, wondering how we got to this point. The rich will sigh heavily.


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"Today for the first time in history, the largest group of Americans living in poverty are children. 1 in 5 children live in the most abject, dangerous, hopeless, back-breaking, gut-wrenching poverty any of us could imagine. 1 in 5, and they're children. If fidelity to freedom of democracy is the code of our civic religion then surely the code of our humanity is faithful service to that unwritten commandment that says we shall give our children better than we ourselves received."


I hate to be "that guy", but the U.S. poor have it pretty damn good compared to the rest of the world. Sometimes it's apples and oranges, but when you start talking about "the most abject, dangerous, hopeless, back-breaking, gut-wrenching poverty any of us could imagine", well, I can imagine a lot worse. There's a graphic about 99% of the poor have a refrigerator but they have 100% access to water without cholera.
 
2012-12-12 04:11:46 PM

ArkPanda: KWess: Dusk-You-n-Me: Yet all seem to believe implicitly that what is good for the CEO class is by definition what's good for America.

Consensus building. The Very Serious People all across the conservative media are pushing the narrative that deficits and debt are the country's biggest problems right now. So now we're entertaining cutting social welfare spending at a time when 1 in 5 children live in poverty and income inequality has never been greater, as if those cuts are completely necessary and it's obvious how those cuts are equal in negotiating weight to raising the upper bracket of taxes less than 4 goddamn percent. The middle and poor classes will continue to grind it out, barely hanging on, complaining about how the American dream is no longer a possibility, wondering how we got to this point. The rich will sigh heavily.


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"Today for the first time in history, the largest group of Americans living in poverty are children. 1 in 5 children live in the most abject, dangerous, hopeless, back-breaking, gut-wrenching poverty any of us could imagine. 1 in 5, and they're children. If fidelity to freedom of democracy is the code of our civic religion then surely the code of our humanity is faithful service to that unwritten commandment that says we shall give our children better than we ourselves received."

I hate to be "that guy", but the U.S. poor have it pretty damn good compared to the rest of the world. Sometimes it's apples and oranges, but when you start talking about "the most abject, dangerous, hopeless, back-breaking, gut-wrenching poverty any of us could imagine", well, I can imagine a lot worse. There's a graphic about 99% of the poor have a refrigerator but they have 100% access to water without cholera.


Meanwhile, we're seeing a massive expansion in data management. Of the jobs posted over the next 5 years in this field, 2 out of 3 will never be filled because we don't have applicants with math skills.

The hell with where they are, the opportunity cost is staggering. If we just educated our populace, these jobs could be filled. For each of these jobs, 3 non tech jobs are added. Over 5 million jobs on this issue alone.

Yeah, you're that guy. The myopic little biatch that says "they don't have it so bad" instead of "shiat I could have it a LOT better if we could solve this problem".
 
2012-12-12 04:21:54 PM
TFA can be summed up in 1 word:

BUTTHURT

Not only that but it covers most of the posts here so far.
 
2012-12-12 04:22:02 PM
It's not Politico, as someone already said. It could just as easily have been the New York Magazine writers, if they had had the same access to the same group of high-powered movers & shakers under the same conditions. What happens to journalists under those conditions is that they become--as NYM rightly observed--merely reporters in the strict sense of the word, repeating only what they observed without commenting on it. They want the access, and so become terrified of any editorializing that might get them barred.

However, NYM is absolutely correct in what they were able to comment on, not being there: The astonishing groupthink going on amongst the Beltway insiders making the policy, and the terror displayed by both sides of admitting it because of their fear of breaking the lockstep required by their parties. And the complacent satisfaction of both sides that they--as the anointed wealthy--are uniquely able to make these decisions and they don't even realize they're doing it.

Picking on Politico is actually counterproductive. They have the access and they should be reporting this. If the price of the access is not to comment, fine. Someone else can do that. Don't slay the messenger if its the only way to get the message.
 
2012-12-12 04:22:54 PM

ArkPanda: I hate to be "that guy", but the U.S. poor have it pretty damn good compared to the rest of the world.


Depends on which part of the rest of the world you're comparing to. Compared to Somalia, sure. Compared to Sweden, not so much. And the bad thing is we seem to be headed more in the direction of South American levels of poverty and inequality, not Nordic social equality.
 
2012-12-12 04:26:39 PM

ArkPanda: There's a graphic about 99% of the poor have a refrigerator but they have 100% access to water without cholera.


Good news everyone! We've solved homelessness in America! I can't believe no one is reporting on this.
 
2012-12-12 04:29:05 PM

bdMurray: JesusJuice: bdMurray: Politician A: We need to reach a consensus.
Politician B: That means we both might not get what we want.
A: Agreed. We will both need to make tough sacrifices.
B: Howzabout we sacrifice our constituants to serve our mutual self interest?
A: Mutual self interest? But our parties have nothing in common!
B: True, but the both if us are indepenently wealthy and are still secured lucrative positions at brain trusts if we should blow a reelection campaign.
A: You're right. Lets go perpetuate an oligarchy at the expense of the peons.

Yep. It sucks and there's nothing we can do about it short of revolution, but things are going to have to get a whole lot worse before that seems palatable.

Its time for a second Constitutional Convention. Representitives will be chosen from each state in proportion to the current electoral college. The finished constitution (deadline of 3the years) would then be ratified by all the states and territories. We could then dissolve the current federal government after 100% ratification is achieved.

Sure it's a lofty goal, but at least there is no armed revolution. If the fundies don't like changing the old constitution, they can propose as much of the old one's wording as they can reasonably defend.


You assume it's the constitution that's the problem. It's the assholes that are in charge and their moneyed interests that's the problem. Whats to stop big industries, and the herp-a-derp brigade from participating in your Constitutional Convention and even further instilling their influence on our government?
 
2012-12-12 04:33:38 PM

Emposter: JesusJuice: bdMurray: Politician A: We need to reach a consensus.
Politician B: That means we both might not get what we want.
A: Agreed. We will both need to make tough sacrifices.
B: Howzabout we sacrifice our constituants to serve our mutual self interest?
A: Mutual self interest? But our parties have nothing in common!
B: True, but the both if us are indepenently wealthy and are still secured lucrative positions at brain trusts if we should blow a reelection campaign.
A: You're right. Lets go perpetuate an oligarchy at the expense of the peons.

Yep. It sucks and there's nothing we can do about it short of revolution, but things are going to have to get a whole lot worse before that seems palatable.

Pretty much.

All we have to do to start the revolution is deny people the opiate of the masses, ie I-devices. From docily playing angry birds to burning tires on the streets of dc in 90 seconds.
 
2012-12-12 04:33:52 PM

Renart: ArkPanda: I hate to be "that guy", but the U.S. poor have it pretty damn good compared to the rest of the world.

Depends on which part of the rest of the world you're comparing to. Compared to Somalia, sure. Compared to Sweden, not so much. And the bad thing is we seem to be headed more in the direction of South American levels of poverty and inequality, not Nordic social equality.


Oh I know, we definitely need to be doing better. Here in town we have a shelter for working homeless families, which should be an impossible three word combination in a civilized country. Mainly I'm annoyed at the quote that was linked. It didn't say who it was from, but it what we have here is the most "gut-wrenching poverty any of us could imagine" he doesn't have much imagination, or access to a computer.
 
2012-12-12 04:41:10 PM

ArkPanda: Renart: ArkPanda: I hate to be "that guy", but the U.S. poor have it pretty damn good compared to the rest of the world.

Depends on which part of the rest of the world you're comparing to. Compared to Somalia, sure. Compared to Sweden, not so much. And the bad thing is we seem to be headed more in the direction of South American levels of poverty and inequality, not Nordic social equality.

Oh I know, we definitely need to be doing better. Here in town we have a shelter for working homeless families, which should be an impossible three word combination in a civilized country. Mainly I'm annoyed at the quote that was linked. It didn't say who it was from, but it what we have here is the most "gut-wrenching poverty any of us could imagine" he doesn't have much imagination, or access to a computer.


It's from an imaginary Presidential candidate. So, uh, go yell at Aaron Sorkin, I guess?
 
2012-12-12 04:43:19 PM

ArkPanda: Oh I know, we definitely need to be doing better. Here in town we have a shelter for working homeless families, which should be an impossible three word combination in a civilized country. Mainly I'm annoyed at the quote that was linked. It didn't say who it was from, but it what we have here is the most "gut-wrenching poverty any of us could imagine" he doesn't have much imagination, or access to a computer.


I think we're in agreement, though the most extreme poverty in the U.S. is probably worse than many of us realize, even if it's worse in other countries. Of course, the right tends to exaggerate the other way. "I saw a homeless guy with a cellphone! He can't be poor!"
 
2012-12-12 04:55:56 PM

JesusJuice: Yep. It sucks and there's nothing we can do about it short of revolution, but things are going to have to get a whole lot worse before that seems palatable.


If everyone who thought it sucked stood up, there would be no need for revolution.
 
2012-12-12 05:00:45 PM

utharda: Emposter: JesusJuice: bdMurray: Politician A: We need to reach a consensus.
Politician B: That means we both might not get what we want.
A: Agreed. We will both need to make tough sacrifices.
B: Howzabout we sacrifice our constituants to serve our mutual self interest?
A: Mutual self interest? But our parties have nothing in common!
B: True, but the both if us are indepenently wealthy and are still secured lucrative positions at brain trusts if we should blow a reelection campaign.
A: You're right. Lets go perpetuate an oligarchy at the expense of the peons.

Yep. It sucks and there's nothing we can do about it short of revolution, but things are going to have to get a whole lot worse before that seems palatable.

Pretty much.
All we have to do to start the revolution is deny people the opiate of the masses, ie I-devices. From docily playing angry birds to burning tires on the streets of dc in 90 seconds.

Panem et circenses

holds as true today as ever. A combination of cheap (if unhealthy) food and affordable cable and internet entertainment getting cheaper, combined with government assistance and our ever-more credit oriented society means that those are still available, despite an ever increasing wage gap and falling inflation adjusted income for most Americans.

Perhaps more importantly, the "haves" in our little fiefdom have become quite adept at convincing the poorly educated "have nots" to fight against their own interests. The 1% uses lies and fear to turn part of the 99% against the other part. Even remotely successful opposition is marginalized or demonized

But it can't, and won't last forever.
 
2012-12-12 06:07:31 PM
VandeHei and Allen, by contrast, understand their role here not as exposing the insider nexus but as uncritically transmitting its point of view.

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

That mainstream journalists feel comfortable doing so? "Mainstream journaists"? Politico?

Well THERE's your problem.
 
2012-12-12 06:13:33 PM

rohar: Yeah, you're that guy. The myopic little biatch that says "they don't have it so bad" instead of "shiat I could have it a LOT better if we could solve this problem".


"Bread and circuses." Don't think that the 1%, or anyway the top of the heap don't know what they're doing. As long as the poor have basic needs met, they're going to be more or less content with their lot and not wheel in the guillotines. And as long as people like "that guy" insist on saying things like this ("Look, Somalia is a real cesspool!") no matter how good his intentions, they keep the rest of us at bay.

It's why Best Korea hasn't had that revolution yet. Everyone has (barely) enough to eat since the famine lifted, everyone gets educated through 3d grade, everyone has a house that's no better than anyone else's--so nobody complains. Now here in America, the divide is starting to become more apparent, so people are getting antsy, but people still have either too much to lose, or not enough. We still have our bread and circuses, so we're content. It's getting harder.

We do need to stop with the "But it's better here than everywhere else." It shouldn't be a race to the bottom. Yes, we have lots of refrigerators and clean drinking water; but that shouldn't be the base marker. That our most poverty-stricken "at least' have houses with floors and don't die regularly of malaria shouldn't be our proudest boast.
 
2012-12-12 06:37:54 PM

JesusJuice: Yep. It sucks and there's nothing we can do about it short of revolution, but things are going to have to get a whole lot worse before that seems palatable.


one 2 year term with a republican in the white house and republican controlled house and senate would provide the preconditions for revolution within the 4 years after that.
 
2012-12-12 07:15:30 PM

Lehk: JesusJuice: Yep. It sucks and there's nothing we can do about it short of revolution, but things are going to have to get a whole lot worse before that seems palatable.

one 2 year term with a republican in the white house and republican controlled house and senate would provide the preconditions for revolution within the 4 years after that.


Tempting, but I already voted.
 
2012-12-12 11:03:20 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: JesusJuice: Yep. It sucks and there's nothing we can do about it short of revolution, but things are going to have to get a whole lot worse before that seems palatable.

If everyone who thought it sucked stood up, there would be no need for revolution.


Yeah, but the problem is that won't happen. Some will be willing to fight, some won't, and some will always defend the status quo. The last group needs to be destroyed before anything will change.
 
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