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(Huffington Post UK)   Today's Fark ready headline: Scientists to test if we're actually living in the matrix   (huffingtonpost.co.uk) divider line 97
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2012-12-12 08:25:00 AM
there's a huffington post UK now?
 
2012-12-12 08:26:42 AM
Well I did go through the window on my way out and not the door.
 
2012-12-12 08:42:43 AM
I'm kind of hoping so...
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vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-12 08:45:38 AM
Even if you could prove the Computational Universe theory it wouldn't mean that the universe is an artificial construct. I don't think that there is any way to prove that.

Still, wouldn't it be funny if we were created by some Cheeto-fingered dweeb in his mom's basement? The snake handling fundies could be right after all!
 
2012-12-12 09:55:08 AM

OtherBrotherDarryl: I'm kind of hoping so...
[proletariatfashionista.files.wordpress.com image 359x255]


Damn if she didn't make Trinity look like a man in that scene.

/she sort of does anyway
 
2012-12-12 09:56:40 AM
The blue pill I just took is helping me get a kick...
 
2012-12-12 10:37:53 AM
Who submitted this, Joe Rogan?

Anyway:

is virtually (no pun intended) absurd.

Nobody cares if your puns were intended.
 
2012-12-12 11:21:42 AM
Whoa.
 
2012-12-12 11:43:08 AM
They better be careful or they could be subject to immediate de-resolution.
 
2012-12-12 12:15:18 PM
Great! I'll get my spoon. Oh wait, dammit, there isn't one.
 
2012-12-12 12:15:55 PM
faculty.washington.edu
 
2012-12-12 12:16:24 PM

UberDave: They better be careful or they could be subject to immediate de-resolution.


Maybe that's what the whole 2012 Mayan thing is about.
 
2012-12-12 12:16:30 PM
Too bad they never made a sequel.
 
2012-12-12 12:21:25 PM
After reading that, I have an overwhelming desire to get really, really, really high.
And then read it again.
 
2012-12-12 12:25:43 PM
Well if we are living in a computer simulation can someone please ask our creators to turn cheats on please?
 
2012-12-12 12:25:57 PM

vpb: Even if you could prove the Computational Universe theory it wouldn't mean that the universe is an artificial construct. I don't think that there is any way to prove that.

Still, wouldn't it be funny if we were created by some Cheeto-fingered dweeb in his mom's basement? The snake handling fundies could be right after all!


Reminds me of the ending to Men in Black. Some of my friends got completely weirded out over that. little scenario.
 
2012-12-12 12:27:11 PM
If we were in the Matrix, bourbon would be cheaper.

/Not my joke
 
2012-12-12 12:28:53 PM
Approves:
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2012-12-12 12:29:03 PM
I'm pretty sure there was a Fark thread about it two months ago.

/there must have been a glitch, or something
 
2012-12-12 12:29:18 PM

vpb: Even if you could prove the Computational Universe theory it wouldn't mean that the universe is an artificial construct. I don't think that there is any way to prove that.

Still, wouldn't it be funny if we were created by some Cheeto-fingered dweeb in his mom's basement? The snake handling fundies could be right after all!


media.onsugar.com
 
2012-12-12 12:33:15 PM
The idea of us being in a computational universe is absurd and the scientists performing these experiments are clearly international terrorists. Now, go back to your lives and think nothing more of this.
 
2012-12-12 12:35:50 PM
If I squint real hard I can see green binary on everything.
 
2012-12-12 12:36:29 PM
So science is catching up to what mushroom/DMT users have known for a long time.
 
2012-12-12 12:37:05 PM
www.smbc-comics.com
 
2012-12-12 12:37:20 PM

Mr_Fabulous: After reading that, I have an overwhelming desire to get really, really, really high.
And then read it again.


Yep....these are the exact types of topics of discussion that LSD was made for.
 
2012-12-12 12:38:38 PM
www.smbc-comics.com
 
2012-12-12 12:39:21 PM

NickBush24: UberDave: They better be careful or they could be subject to immediate de-resolution.

Maybe that's what the whole 2012 Mayan thing is about.


That's about Twinkies.
 
2012-12-12 12:39:25 PM
TFA: Essentially, Savage said that computers used to build simulations perform "lattice quantum chromodynamics calculations" - dividing space into a four-dimensional grid.

So the researchers are assuming that the computers used by universe-constructing aliens operate the same way that our computers do?
 
2012-12-12 12:41:44 PM

Ambitwistor: [www.smbc-comics.com image 504x424]


I love SMBC
 
2012-12-12 12:45:32 PM
What we need to do is get to the hardware. Use LHC to trigger an unhandled interrupt or exploit a bug in a driver. A subatomic buffer overflow or something... What we need is a damned privilege escalation!
 
2012-12-12 12:47:58 PM

malkavnon: The idea of us being in a computational universe is absurd and the scientists performing these experiments are clearly international terrorists. Now, go back to your lives and think nothing more of this.


I read that last sentence as, "Now, go back to your lives and think more about tits."

And I thought, you know, the man has a point.
 
2012-12-12 12:50:53 PM

Son of Thunder: TFA: Essentially, Savage said that computers used to build simulations perform "lattice quantum chromodynamics calculations" - dividing space into a four-dimensional grid.

So the researchers are assuming that the computers used by universe-constructing aliens operate the same way that our computers do?


That's the notion of computers, yes.
 
2012-12-12 12:51:34 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Too bad they never made a sequel.


The made one called reloaded. It was really good. Don't know why they didn't finish that cliff hanger.
 
2012-12-12 12:57:32 PM
The only way to catch a simulation would be to know some difference between simulation and "reality". Since none of them have ever seen reality, anything they observe COULD be normal.

It sounds like the only thing virtual around here are the skills of these "scientists".

On the other hand, they appear to be good at getting exposure for crap work.
 
2012-12-12 01:03:22 PM

Nurglitch: Son of Thunder: TFA: Essentially, Savage said that computers used to build simulations perform "lattice quantum chromodynamics calculations" - dividing space into a four-dimensional grid.

So the researchers are assuming that the computers used by universe-constructing aliens operate the same way that our computers do?

That's the notion of computers, yes.


This is an experiment to look for evidence that we are in a simulation running on something like a computer that we can understand (i.e. something equivalent to a universal Turing machine). If the experiment fails, that doesn't mean we're not running on some kind of hypercomputer (which sounds cool but is a real term).

I'm personally a big fan of computable physics. The speed of light as a universal maximum, quantum indeterminacy, and the cosmic censorship hypothesis all seem like limitations you'd find in a simulation.
 
2012-12-12 01:04:20 PM

gretzkyscores: Mr_Fabulous: After reading that, I have an overwhelming desire to get really, really, really high.
And then read it again.

Yep....these are the exact types of topics of discussion that LSD was made for.


Yep...and that's why it's done at the UofW. Nothing else to do on these rainy days
 
2012-12-12 01:10:34 PM
So if the universe is a simulation, can we hack it and violate a few laws?
 
2012-12-12 01:11:20 PM
This is a simple test.

Take a dreidel, spin it on a table top. If it doesn't fall over, you're in the matrix.
 
2012-12-12 01:12:40 PM
I met a guy that wanted to make a spaceship drive system that organized the unorganized electromagnetic information that he sucked in the front, he'd organize it and filter it and spew it out the back.

Somehow the change in entropy would allow him to exert a directional force to conserve the second law of thermodynamics.

I am still confused.
 
2012-12-12 01:13:49 PM
"lattice quantum chromodynamics "
Sounds like the latest strain of KGB
 
2012-12-12 01:13:57 PM

maniacbastard: I met a guy that wanted to make a spaceship drive system that organized the unorganized electromagnetic information that he sucked in the front, he'd organize it and filter it and spew it out the back.

Somehow the change in entropy would allow him to exert a directional force to conserve the second law of thermodynamics.

I am still confused.


...he either doesn't understand the second law of thermodynamics, or he doesn't understand entropy. Or both.

Or he's an absolute genius. I suppose that's possible too.
 
2012-12-12 01:20:14 PM
If we are could somebody please set up a button to click to have her appear on command?

onwardoverland.com
 
2012-12-12 01:24:27 PM
The Matrix? Hhhmpf.

Plato's Cave says get off my lawn.
 
2012-12-12 01:27:23 PM
It's basically the ultimate evolution of this project:
Link
 
2012-12-12 01:33:10 PM
On the one hand, I find thought experiments like this fascinating.

On the other hand, I can't help but wonder if some scientists just spent all their grant money on a huge bag of weed, and had this conversation while watching Spongebob.
 
2012-12-12 01:34:53 PM
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2012-12-12 01:36:34 PM
I wrote a short essay on the same concept. We were the billionth trillionth iteration of the simulation after the original "creator" accidentally left his computer running before leaving for a three day weekend.

/Got an a-.
 
2012-12-12 01:39:31 PM
These scientists are wasting their time.

To see why, try building a computer simulator inside of your computer, for instance with Minecraft. If you do, you'll notice that the computer you simulate inside of your computer is significantly less capable than the computer itself. (Yo, dawg....)

I don't know the maths off-hand, but there is a very tight limit on what a universe can simulate inside of itself, and as you go down the chain, the simulation within the simulation will look nothing like the real thing.

So faulty assumption #1 is that this hypothetical chain of simulations is homogeneous.

They even say that the proof they're looking for is "limitations" in our universe that look like the same kind of limitations you would expect in a simulation. But there's a contradiciton here. Can a universe simulate itself without limitation, which would allow you to have a simulation within a simulation and so on, or not? The answer is "not", but they don't know that they're even asking that question which is why they're giving contradictory answers.

This throws their whole argument. It now is NOT more likely that we're in a simulation than in the real world. In fact, the majority of simulations wouldn't be as complex as our reality is, so it's about as likely that we're in a simulation as we are in the real world. (Any simulation within the first simulation will be hobbled so badly that it wouldn't resemble our universe at all unless the real universe was incomprehensibly complex, in which case the creatures in it wouldn't be creating an evolutionary history because we'd be nothing like them).

Faulty assumption #2 is that consciousness is possible inside of these simulations. Data are just abstract relations inside of a turing machine in this case. Speculating that these simulations could spawn not just one consciousness, but multiple independent consciousnessesses is like saying that you could imagine a person, and if you were intelligent enough to properly imagine their entire being down to their subatomic particles (or strings, or whatever) that that person would become conscious.

No, they're still just an abstract association of electrical impulses in your brain, they're not actually a concrete object. In fact, in reality they're nothing, your brain just assembles this "person" into a pattern it can understand, in the same way the computer knows to assemble certain data into a pattern, but that won't make that data conscious.
 
2012-12-12 01:40:53 PM
*The scientists aren't wasting their time in general, because they'll certainly make some discoveries along the way that push science forward. However, they aren't going to prove that we're in a computer simulation.
 
2012-12-12 01:41:19 PM
 
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