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2012-12-12 03:12:57 PM

Geotpf: more people voted for Democratic House candidates than Republican ones).


This is as relevant as the county map GOP people throw out there. When you have areas that will vote for Chaka Fatta's corpse at 95% over any white person, you'll get stats like that.
 
2012-12-12 03:15:41 PM

Smoking GNU: /on second thought, nvm, don't tell me


That's about as nuanced as my analysis of the first presidential debate in 2012 gets. Buttcrap. It's how I roll.
 
2012-12-12 03:23:16 PM

MugzyBrown: Geotpf: more people voted for Democratic House candidates than Republican ones).

This is as relevant as the county map GOP people throw out there. When you have areas that will vote for Chaka Fatta's corpse at 95% over any white person, you'll get stats like that.


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2012-12-12 03:57:53 PM
Shhhhhh. Nobody give them any advice.
 
2012-12-12 04:09:40 PM

Pincy: Shhhhhh. Nobody give them any advice.


We can give bad advice, right?

Because I think they need even older and less relevant celebrity endorsements to draw in the young people.

Maybe Tom Wopat?

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2012-12-12 04:46:08 PM
The best part? Forever. The R-ape party is incapable of seeing their own problems, acknowledging their own problems, or dealing with their own problems. That is never going to change.

Keep true to yourselves, gop. You're perfect just the way you are, and never let anyone tell you different.
 
2012-12-12 04:46:53 PM
You want the 2012 Campaign in a 10-second nutshell? It was the Democratic convention, when they held that voice vote to put whatever religious thing it was in the party platform. There was a bit of an outcry, and it ate up a bit of a news cycle, and then that talking point went away. What do people remember from this year's DNC? The speeches. Clinton being awesome, John Kerry being hilarious and biting, Jennifer Granholm cheerleading...

But the Democrats saw a talking point and cut it off at the knees. The GOP seems to have forgotten how to do that sort of message control.
 
2012-12-12 04:47:05 PM
This is kind of a long post but worth sharing. The following Festival of Rightwingistan Whine was circulating in the wretched Conservative underbelly of FB and it reflects the mindset of butt hurt Conservatives post 2012 election;

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Posted before, but worth sharing again... This was messaged in by Patriot Denny Kellough..

"***IT'S OFFICIAL***

Well, It's official; I don't know anything.

I thought for sure that given such a clear choice, Americans would vote for love of country over revenge.

I was wrong.

I thought, that just as every presidential election in my lifetime, the bad economy would be hung around the incumbent's neck, sinking him.

I was wrong.

I thought that even those few Americans who were fortunate enough to still be fully employed (not counting those leeching off the public system) would be cognizant of how much pain their neighbors were in and elect someone who would at least try to make improvements.

I was wrong.

I thought that now that FINALLY some of the disturbing truths about our first black president had come to light, voters would reject a man so dangerously at odds with the American experience.

I was wrong.

I thought the 2010 elections and the Tea Party meant something.

I thought the enthusiasm on display at Romney/Ryan events, contrasted with the lack of same at Obama/Biden events meant something.

I thought Americans would never sell their liberty for the sake of trinkets like cell phones or even big shiny lies like 'free health care'.

I was wrong.

Never in a million years would I have supposed that America would support a president who left his (our) people to die at the hands of our enemies overseas without lifting a hand to help, then lie about what he watched in real time for over two weeks, then lie about the lie for another month.

I was wrong.

I thought Americans could tell a hawk from a handsaw.

I was wrong.

We were offered the clearest choice we've had since 1980, where we had malaise and a misery index on one hand and a shining city on a hill on the other. Back then, we chose the city on the hill. This time the choice was between a man who says 7.9% unemployment and $4.00 gas is the new normal and a guy whose entire career has been about fixing broken entities.

We chose to stay broken. And Broke.

Maybe I'm wrong about the ramifications of this choice. Maybe windmills will actually turn out to be a viable energy source. Maybe America diminished will be loved overseas. Maybe a nuclear Iran won't be a threat. Maybe Israel is over reacting. Maybe western civilization was always over rated. Maybe life under sharia is fun. Maybe when the rest of the world realizes that we have no intention of ever paying back that $16,000,000,000,000.00 (and counting) that we've borrowed from them, they won't devalue the dollar, causing hyper inflation here at home. Maybe China will just keep on giving us money and not demand our hearts, souls, national monuments and marriageable daughters as payment.

I've watched my candidate lose elections before but I've never felt the way I did last night when this one was called for Obama.

It wasn't bitterness or sadness or even disappointment. It took me a while to figure out what it was. Then it hit me; it was horror.

Pure, unadulterated horror.

Not because of Obama, but because of what it says about us, the American people, that we chose this.

It shouldn't have even been close. Faced with the choice between taking charge of our destiny and tackling our financial problems, we opted to get high and have sex. We re elected a guy who doesn't understand that a growing economy that creates more tax payers will bring in more revenue than higher taxes. A Commander in Chief who doesn't know our military still uses bayonets. A man who wants to control the economy without even knowing the difference between bankruptcy and liquidation.
It was one thing to elect an unknown quantity, buying his line of 'Hope and Change'. It's something else to deliberately choose his failed policies over someone who has actually achieved success in life. I never dreamed America would do that.

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, Hello Idiocracy!

Goodbye, recovery.

Goodbye, energy independence.

Goodbye, religious liberty.

Goodbye, liberty and justice for all.

Goodbye, America dream.

It profits a man nothing to lose his soul for the whole world but we threw ours away for cell phones and birth control pills.

In the twentieth century (the American Century), we stepped up to the plate three times and saved the rest of the world from fascism, nazism and communism. We were the cavalry, always riding to the rescue.

Now, we've gotten rid of our horses, spent all our money on windmills, alienated our allies, bowed to our enemies, cut ourselves off from our own natural resources thrown away our children's birthright and spent their inheritance.

And we did it on purpose.

When the wolf is at the door (and he's coming, yelling 'Allahu Akbar') we're going to find out that there is no one out there to come to our rescue."

__________________________________

The following was my response to it which resulted in my bannation from three Rightwingistan FB pages who were reposting this drivel;

"Six weeks later and you guys still don't get it. Ok, I'll try to explain it to you and maybe it will get through.

You did not lose because of voter fraud, or because brown people want free stuff, or because of "the MEDIA". You lost because you started your primary way too early and the candidates you put up were all retreads or crazy people with once exception, Jon Huntsman, and he didn't make it past the third debate.

You lost because you have allowed your party to be overtaken by the Tea Party who have a public approval rating that hovers somewhere near the measles. Even Karl Rove has expressed displeasure with the way you've allowed the Tea Tards to primary away all of your sane, moderate, sensible ELECTABLE candidates. The general public does not want people in government who view compromise as a dirty word. The primary horse race changed leaders several times but ol' Mittens managed to outspend the rest of them and was essentially the last man standing when the dust settled. None of you liked Mittster in the beginning..you changed horses between Cain, Gingrich and Santorum before finally lining up behind Romney by default. You tried very hard to feign enthusiasm for him but ultimately everyone saw what was going on..you were backing him because he wasn't Obama. Mittens went on to mount a very awkward campaign, making very embarrassing public gaffes in his futile attempts to appear as anything but an out-of-touch rich guy who had "be President" on his bucket list, which culminated in his "47 percent" comments which effectively insulted close to half the country. On top of that, you guys doubled down on the statement and were appeared genuinely surprised when all those your insulted didn't vote for you.

On both the state and national level, you guys did your very best to alienate women and minorities and did a marvelous job of it.

You lost because you allowed Obama to take several unanswered swipes at Mitt's career as a "vulture capitalst" (as he was called by his own party members during the primaries) and because you refused to give specifics when asked about the details in your party's economic plan.

You nominated Paul Ryan as VP which was one of the biggest blunders of the entire affair. You lost because Mitt was not a believable candidate and he changed positions so many times you needed a scorecard to keep track.

You lost because you wouldn't marginalize your nutsos who insisted on talking about rape, birth control and restricting women's health care options while advocating unnecessary and invasive medical procedures for women seeking a procedure that is protected by the US Constitution.

You lost because you failed to put together anything that resembled a sane immigration policy.

You lost because old grumpy white guys are not the majority of the electorate any longer and that is who your key demographic seemed to be.

You lost because you did everything within your power to limit and restrict people's ability to vote, so much so that they lined up in droves and waited in line for hours to vote against you because of it.

You lost because you have caused Congress to cease to function because of your petulant pouting over the fact that your lost an election and caused the first credit downgrade the country has ever seen in it's history due to your willingness to allow the US to default on it's debts in the name of political posturing because of it.

You lost because people see you as the reason we're in the mess we're in and all you offer is "more of the same". I know this will be totally lost on everyone who actually reads it, but for some reason, after reading this whiny screed from Mr. Kellough, I felt compelled for bring you some perspective from "outside the right wing bubble". Ignore it at your peril but do not be too shocked if your party fails to win another major election until they do some serious reflection, purges the nutbags and starts to do more to bring people in rather than simply trying to squash them."

In the brief period after posting this before I was banned and the comments stricken, I was accused of copying talking points from Liberal media websites, was told I was a Communist who worshiped Obama like he was some sort of Messiah, was told that it really WAS the media, voter fraud and lazy Libs wanting free stuff..and generally that people were idiots for not choosing Romney because there was absolutely NOTHING wrong with his platform and that we were very lucky to have been blessed by his desire to help the country.
 
2012-12-12 04:49:49 PM

zappaisfrank: I thought Americans could tell a hawk from a handsaw.


this is where i realized that obama was the worst thing ever
 
2012-12-12 04:57:21 PM

Evil High Priest: The best part? Forever. The R-ape party is incapable of seeing their own problems, acknowledging their own problems, or dealing with their own problems. That is never going to change.

Keep true to yourselves, gop. You're perfect just the way you are, and never let anyone tell you different.


Reagan's 11th Commandment "Thou shalt never speak ill of fellow Republicans". Those guys take that shiat seriously. I have a number of hard core Republican friends and they will never, EVER, under ANY circumstances EVER say ANYTHING negative about ANYONE Republican. Ever. They will say nothing rather than admit someone Republican ever did anything wrong ever. A Republican could get caught with a dead hooker and they'd say she was a Liberal plant who lured the poor Republican into whatever it was and killed herself and made it look like murder just to make Republicans look bad.

I'm not kidding...
 
2012-12-12 05:01:07 PM

sprawl15: zappaisfrank: I thought Americans could tell a hawk from a handsaw.

this is where i realized that obama was the worst thing ever


Does this mean I have to add "Handsaw" to the Big Spiffy List of All the Bad Things Fartbama Is?
 
2012-12-12 05:03:13 PM

Pants full of macaroni!!: sprawl15: zappaisfrank: I thought Americans could tell a hawk from a handsaw.

this is where i realized that obama was the worst thing ever

Does this mean I have to add "Handsaw" to the Big Spiffy List of All the Bad Things Fartbama Is?


Yes, because REAL 'MERICUNS use POWER TOOLS like on Home Improvement!
 
2012-12-12 05:25:13 PM

zappaisfrank: Pants full of macaroni!!: sprawl15: zappaisfrank: I thought Americans could tell a hawk from a handsaw.

this is where i realized that obama was the worst thing ever

Does this mean I have to add "Handsaw" to the Big Spiffy List of All the Bad Things Fartbama Is?

Yes, because REAL 'MERICUNS use POWER TOOLS like on Home Improvement!


i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-12 05:47:08 PM

zappaisfrank: Evil High Priest: The best part? Forever. The R-ape party is incapable of seeing their own problems, acknowledging their own problems, or dealing with their own problems. That is never going to change.

Keep true to yourselves, gop. You're perfect just the way you are, and never let anyone tell you different.

Reagan's 11th Commandment "Thou shalt never speak ill of fellow Republicans". Those guys take that shiat seriously. I have a number of hard core Republican friends and they will never, EVER, under ANY circumstances EVER say ANYTHING negative about ANYONE Republican. Ever. They will say nothing rather than admit someone Republican ever did anything wrong ever. A Republican could get caught with a dead hooker and they'd say she was a Liberal plant who lured the poor Republican into whatever it was and killed herself and made it look like murder just to make Republicans look bad.

I'm not kidding...


I know. It's glorious. They'll keep farking that poor dead chicken until they are known as the New Whig party.
 
2012-12-12 06:12:41 PM
What worked: fund-raising

What didn't: your platform
 
2012-12-12 06:19:11 PM
Speaking almost entirely in abstractions and platitudes rather than addressing anything real was what really didn't work.

Romney wouldn't discuss anything from his past. Bain Capital, his work as a missionary, his tax returns, his tenure as governor...these things were all off limits. Everything the Republican Party did from 2000-2008 was also off the table. Romney had absolutely no foreign policy whatsoever, and his tax plan was insultingly vague, with Paul Ryan famously saying he couldn't explain the specifics to the American people because there's just no time.

In the end, all the Republicans had was heroic-sounding but empty rhetoric about "founding principles" which nobody actually gives a damn about other than the die hard Republicans who were never going to vote for Obama anyways. The rise of conservative media following Obama's first election has made a lot of right wing hucksters rich but it's completely removed Republican voters from mainstream society. The right wing media bubble has apparently grown so impenetrable that Romney, a supposed business genius surrounded by the best strategists in the conservative movement, couldn't forsee his landslide defeat coming even up to the election day even though the writing had been on the wall for some time.

The Republican base really didn't like Romney at first, but since all of these guys hang out in the same alternate derp reality together, eventually they grew to love him. Romney spent most of the campaign fighting to win the hearts of his cohorts within the bubble, which is why many of them still haven't turned on him and are instead blaming ACORN, voter fraud, etc. And there's no way they can pop that bubble and join reality again because it's a freaking gold mine for anyone cynical enough to get into the game.
 
2012-12-12 06:55:18 PM

CorporatePerson: couldn't forsee his landslide defeat coming even up to the election day even though the writing had been on the wall for some time.


Some of them still don't see it. And goddamit, they shouldn't have to! This is 'Murca, and they have just as much right to their reality as I do to mine.
 
2012-12-12 07:43:41 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: What the Republicans need to start grappling with is that no strategy was going to make a candidate selected from this group:

[www.csmonitor.com image 600x400]

Running on this platform, the most attractive option for over 50% of American voters.

They have won the popular vote in one of the last six Presidential elections. They have deep structural problems.


They all need better tailors, too.
 
2012-12-12 07:45:44 PM

Parthenogenetic: Fart_Machine: But they nailed that old white wealthy Christian male demographic down cold.

Dr Dreidel: The GOP won the demographics that "mattered", right? They won the older crowd, the richer crowd, the whiter crowd, and the manlier crowd. They didn't win among "takers", and didn't want to. They didn't win among nonwhite religious conservatives, and didn't try to. They didn't win among the median-wage crowd, and didn't think they needed to.

What's so wrong about that? Haven't you heard of the aphorism "What's good for GM is good for America?"

Well, what's good the for the Republican base is what's good for America, because the Republican base IS America. Real America. The America that beat the British Empire, won two World Wars, and won the Cold War.

The American Left caused America to lose the Vietnam War, would have surrendered to the Communists, and now wants to surrender to the Islamofascists.

Don't be fooled by liberal propaganda. Take the "rape baby" non-controversy. Instead of screaming about a women's non-existent right to abortion on demand, why aren't we doing more to prevent rape babies in the first place? If abstinence education were taught to every schoolkid, then more sluts would have the moral fiber to Just Say No To Rape - voila, problem solved. But of course that would undermine the trillion dollar abortion industry, who are the main contributors to the feminazis behind the liberal family-destroying agenda.

I do concede that maybe the GOP could be doing a better job of packaging our message. Instead of stating "knocked-up sluts need to keep their rape babies - the power of Christ compels you", maybe we should be saying "We're sorry about the bad choices you've made that led to this. But look on the bright side - Jesus has given you an unconsensual, unanticipated gift of human life." I mean, you don't technically consent to a surprise birthday party, do you? That would spoil the surprise. But even though you didn't approve of it or ex ...


Not sure if serious.
 
2012-12-13 01:15:51 AM

Weaver95: what didn't work? ye gods, I'd be here all day long...everything from zero ground game to some wacky ideas about how to motivate the troops. Then there was Romney's contempt of most voters, his background, his failure to release his tax records, his time at Bain capital...that list goes on and on as well. But the real problem was the GOP's ideology. regular voters aren't as open to the idea of a theocratic government in this country. sure, they might believe in god (in some form) but they don't want to write laws based on religious belief, nor do people trust that religious based laws are any sort of basis for how to organize a society. nobody wants to live in a theocracy, and that's a big factor in voters rejecting the Republicans.

As an aside, a lot of Republicans spent too much time in the echo chamber. see, in that place you can say all kinds of pro-rape comments and nobody so much as blinks an eye. out in the real world tho, if you tell women that rape babies are a gift and that they should be happy to have one....well, they're not going to think very highly of you after that. Don't believe your own press releases and learn to look outside the echo chamber. yes, it's cold out here and sure, there are people who don't believe in the same things the GOP does...but if you want to stay in office, you are going to have to occasionally made deals with those people and learn to coexist with them AND their strange, non-GOP ideas.

which brings me to my last point: the Republican party MUST stop seeing 'compromise' as weakness. no, you will not get everything you want. sometimes you'll only get 50% of what you want...but that's ok, because that's how democracy works. you get a little of what you want, the other guy gets some of what he wants...and life goes on. it's how you build a functional government. so learn to make deals (actual deals, not 'close the doors and lock everyone out so we can screw over everyone we don't like in lame duck session' kinda deals) and play nice with the other kids on the playground. also - stop taking ideological positions that refuse to compromise. you aren't Rorschach, this isn't a movie and you guys aren't heroes. stop believing that yer all John Galt.


I talked to someone today whose father was a solid Republican voter for 4 decades who threw in the towel in 08 and is now registered Dem. Her Dad apparently is a fiscal conservative but also a scientist who couldn't stand the GOP "la la can't hear you" (at best ) on climate change and science in general.

And from what I've read that was a major factor along with education cuts / belittling that lost them support in the Asian American community too - even those who tend to be generally conservative.
 
2012-12-13 08:47:29 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: They have won the popular vote in one of the last six Presidential elections. They have deep structural problems.


And the biggest one is that the idiots they cultivated for the last forty years now run the party.

The Republican plan was simple: cut education so you get people who go on emotion, then appeal to their most base instincts. It worked for a while, but then those same people found ways to get into the party (diploma mills, et cetera). Now the party is teaming with these anti-intellectual idiots who don't see the trick but mistake it for the reality. On top of that, you have the children of rich people who think they were somehow chosen and wrap religion to push this monarchy bullshiat. This is the Republican Party in a nutshell: delusion isn't an affliction, it's par for course. It's why the party has no choice but to die.

We can talk about the Republican Party 'finding their way' all we want, but we should all accept that the party doesn't have problems as much as seriously gaping flaws. America might need more decent political parties. But the Republican Party is the trashcan of politics. We don't need idiots like that blocking our democratic system simply because we 'have' to have a second big party. The Republicans have shown they don't even deserve respect of the position. They're all dishonest at best and delusional at worst, and the best thing America can do is simply throw these shysters out of their powerful positions and reduce them to the wilderness. How many chances have the Republican Party had at power? The first eight of this century have shown they will destroy the nation out of sheer spite, and giving them back a sliver of power in 2010 has shown they will lie and cheat in order to do it again.

We don't need a Republican Party. What we need are people who actually do their jobs. And the Republicans simply do not deserve a place at the table in America.
 
2012-12-13 09:38:38 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Weaver95: which brings me to my last point: the Republican party MUST stop seeing 'compromise' as weakness.


Because there's more than one definition of "compromise" and they're using the "breach/endanger" one when everyone else is using the "come to an agreement" one.
 
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