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2012-12-12 05:52:35 AM  
What worked. - You peddled somebody who could form a sentence, looked good in a suit and seemed like a normal, educated man.

What didn't - You peddled a guy who carries water for the people who have, in collusion with banks, the legislature and enough lobbyists to sink a barge, gutted the economy, pronounced corporations as gods who live above the law, bashed gay people, told women to get back in the kitchen and generally told everybody who isn't already rich as Roosevelt they are moochers, whiners, welfare queens and are probably sitting on their ass with a bag of Doritos, waiting for a handout.

Other than that, it was a brilliant campaign.

Oh, and after hundreds of years of black Americans only now emerging from the status of slave class, if you actually thought they were gonna vote for some ivy league, lily white twat who's had a hand in dismantling companies for profit and looks like every lantern jawed prat who looked down their nose at them in a job interview, you're not only out of touch, you're clinically deluded.
 
2012-12-12 06:07:16 AM  

bunner: What worked. - You peddled somebody who could form a sentence, looked good in a suit and seemed like a normal, educated man.

What didn't - You peddled a guy who carries water for the people who have, in collusion with banks, the legislature and enough lobbyists to sink a barge, gutted the economy, pronounced corporations as gods who live above the law, bashed gay people, told women to get back in the kitchen and generally told everybody who isn't already rich as Roosevelt they are moochers, whiners, welfare queens and are probably sitting on their ass with a bag of Doritos, waiting for a handout.

Other than that, it was a brilliant campaign.

Oh, and after hundreds of years of black Americans only now emerging from the status of slave class, if you actually thought they were gonna vote for some ivy league, lily white twat who's had a hand in dismantling companies for profit and looks like every lantern jawed prat who looked down their nose at them in a job interview, you're not only out of touch, you're clinically deluded.


I, too, thought what worked could be summarized by the following sentence: not a whole lot.
 
2012-12-12 06:49:45 AM  
Here's what irks me: When I screw up (which is damn near all the time), I own it and take measures not to repeat it. I'm not sure, but I think this is the "personal responsibility" these junkyard dogs have been barking at me for years.

Republicans, on the other hand, blame everyone else for their own failures. After all, it can't possibly have been their fault, right? Well, in my book that makes you a child. Say what you will about my politics, but at least I own my mistakes. If I didn't think I'd annoy the smartphone Farkers I'd post a wall 'o text admitting all the times I've farked up.

Because I have, son. Yes I have.

Lately there have been a few "outliers" (Jindal surprised me the most) trying to constructively criticize the party. Except none of that will come to pass. We're going to witness more doubling down on stupid until the GOP renders itself irrelevant. Look, assholes, your base is eventually going to die. Literally. Maybe it's time you swam towards the center before the entire nation writes you off.
 
2012-12-12 07:02:32 AM  
Us smartphone FARKers aren't offended by text. It's pictures that are too wide to fit onscreen that tick us off. It ruins the entire page.
 
2012-12-12 07:20:11 AM  

Counter_Intelligent: Us smartphone FARKers aren't offended by text. It's pictures that are too wide to fit onscreen that tick us off. It ruins the entire page.


I'm particularly pissed at long words, like when someone says "Bahahahaha" except longer than that. Totally farks up the entire thread when mobile.

So guys, stop doing that.
 
2012-12-12 07:27:09 AM  

dickfreckle: Counter_Intelligent: Us smartphone FARKers aren't offended by text. It's pictures that are too wide to fit onscreen that tick us off. It ruins the entire page.

I'm particularly pissed at long words, like when someone says "Bahahahaha" except longer than that. Totally farks up the entire thread when mobile.

So guys, stop doing that.


Ah. Forgot about those.
 
2012-12-12 07:42:17 AM  
What didn't work: banking on there being enough white Christian senior citizens to sway the election for you. Your platform is the tech equivalent of a dial-up modem.
 
2012-12-12 07:47:57 AM  
Knowing them, they'll put the whole "talking about rape" thing in the "what worked" column.
 
2012-12-12 07:57:23 AM  

SilentStrider: Knowing them, they'll put the whole "talking about rape" thing in the "what worked" column.


The problem was we didn't talk about it enough. What we need for 2016 is more rape.
 
2012-12-12 08:08:21 AM  
here's a preview of the meeting: Link
 
2012-12-12 08:15:35 AM  
What worked - Convincing the Teatards that they are Mainstream.
What didn't work - Banking on the Teatards vote to be enough to carry the Presidency for the GOP.

2014 is going to be a great indicator as to whether the leadership in the GOP got the message from 2012. If they continue to court the far-right Tea Party types, they will continue to lose in the mid-terms, and there is likely no hope of them reforming into a sane and effectual political party for 2016 and beyond. But if in 2014 the GOP disavows the Teatards, lets them split off to their own far-right party while the Republicans move back towards the center, then... the GOP will lose ground in the midterms to the Dems. But they will regain the soul of the party, and actually have a chance of winning in 2016 and beyond.
 
2012-12-12 08:23:42 AM  
I think taking a single quote of your opponent blatantly out of context then building an entire night of your convention around that deception is a really, really good idea that no one will ever see through.
 
2012-12-12 08:29:51 AM  
You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.
 
2012-12-12 08:35:27 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.


That's just what they want you to think.
 
2012-12-12 08:35:57 AM  
Dear Republicans,

Step 1) Let the democrats raise taxes.
Step 2) Do nothing.
Step 3) Win in 2016

Why is this so hard?

If the options are: democrats raising taxes alone or the republicans making a deal with democrats that involves raising taxes, let democrats raise taxes alone. Republicans are the party of low taxes and economic freedom. What do we have left if we compromise that core value?
If people think our current economic woes are the result of too-low taxes, they will see the truth. If republicans think the economy will get worse when taxes are raised, then don't share in the blame. Let the blame fall solely on democrats.
 
2012-12-12 09:14:18 AM  

SilentStrider: Knowing them, they'll put the whole "talking about rape" thing in the "what worked" column.


Nailed it. And thus, their entire problem. Just like the fake Obama they ran against, they are deluded into believing that if they just couched their message of bigotry and class warfare in a more palatable "message," everyone would flock to their party. They are incapable of understanding that most of America has completely jogged past their outdated view of the world. Lipstick on a pig and all that.
 
2012-12-12 09:16:15 AM  

bunner: What worked. - You peddled somebody who could form a sentence, looked good in a suit and seemed like a normal, educated man.


Well, "normal." He was hilariously unlikeable and out of touch, to the point where he couldn't name doughnuts, had a ballet-dancing horse in the Olympics, refused to talk to the press, insulted foreign allies and even people who'd baked cookies for him, paid half the tax rate of most Americans and still whined about it being too high, flip-flopped and refused to disclose his stance on every policy - including his own previous policies - and thought binders full of women was a reasonable response to gutting pay equity laws.

He did have good hair though.
 
2012-12-12 09:37:36 AM  

SlothB77: If republicans think the economy will get worse when taxes are raised, then don't share in the blame.


They don't think the economy will get worse when taxes are raised, they know it won't.
 
2012-12-12 09:41:05 AM  
Well, according to Michelle Malkin's stupid website, they won Twitter in 2012, so that definitely goes in the "what worked" column.
 
2012-12-12 09:47:52 AM  

BunkoSquad: Well, according to Michelle Malkin's stupid website, they won Twitter in 2012, so that definitely goes in the "what worked" column.


What does that even mean?
 
2012-12-12 09:50:24 AM  

SlothB77: Dear Republicans,

Step 1) Let the democrats raise taxes.
Step 2) Do nothing.
Step 3) Win in 2016

Why is this so hard?

If the options are: democrats raising taxes alone or the republicans making a deal with democrats that involves raising taxes, let democrats raise taxes alone. Republicans are the party of low taxes and economic freedom. What do we have left if we compromise that core value?
If people think our current economic woes are the result of too-low taxes, they will see the truth. If republicans think the economy will get worse when taxes are raised, then don't share in the blame. Let the blame fall solely on democrats.


You realize that the very first thing the DNC will do after the tax cuts expire is propose tax cuts for the poor and middle class? Honestly, you realize that right?
 
2012-12-12 09:54:32 AM  

Mugato: What does that even mean?


We tried to figure that out yesterday but it made our heads hurt so it turned into every other Fark thread.
 
2012-12-12 11:10:43 AM  
What are they gonna do with the other 26 seconds?
 
2012-12-12 11:12:14 AM  

dickfreckle: Counter_Intelligent: Us smartphone FARKers aren't offended by text. It's pictures that are too wide to fit onscreen that tick us off. It ruins the entire page.

I'm particularly pissed at long words, like when someone says "Bahahahaha" except longer than that. Totally farks up the entire thread when mobile.

So guys, stop doing that.


like this?

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2012-12-12 11:12:49 AM  
What worked: Gerrymandering
 
2012-12-12 11:13:13 AM  
what didn't work? ye gods, I'd be here all day long...everything from zero ground game to some wacky ideas about how to motivate the troops. Then there was Romney's contempt of most voters, his background, his failure to release his tax records, his time at Bain capital...that list goes on and on as well. But the real problem was the GOP's ideology. regular voters aren't as open to the idea of a theocratic government in this country. sure, they might believe in god (in some form) but they don't want to write laws based on religious belief, nor do people trust that religious based laws are any sort of basis for how to organize a society. nobody wants to live in a theocracy, and that's a big factor in voters rejecting the Republicans.

As an aside, a lot of Republicans spent too much time in the echo chamber. see, in that place you can say all kinds of pro-rape comments and nobody so much as blinks an eye. out in the real world tho, if you tell women that rape babies are a gift and that they should be happy to have one....well, they're not going to think very highly of you after that. Don't believe your own press releases and learn to look outside the echo chamber. yes, it's cold out here and sure, there are people who don't believe in the same things the GOP does...but if you want to stay in office, you are going to have to occasionally made deals with those people and learn to coexist with them AND their strange, non-GOP ideas.

which brings me to my last point: the Republican party MUST stop seeing 'compromise' as weakness. no, you will not get everything you want. sometimes you'll only get 50% of what you want...but that's ok, because that's how democracy works. you get a little of what you want, the other guy gets some of what he wants...and life goes on. it's how you build a functional government. so learn to make deals (actual deals, not 'close the doors and lock everyone out so we can screw over everyone we don't like in lame duck session' kinda deals) and play nice with the other kids on the playground. also - stop taking ideological positions that refuse to compromise. you aren't Rorschach, this isn't a movie and you guys aren't heroes. stop believing that yer all John Galt.
 
2012-12-12 11:14:17 AM  
There was literally nothing they did the entire campaign that was a good move. At best they had fleeting cleverness (like picking Paul Ryan) that they undermined by being total farkheads (declaring everything Paul Ryan did to be cancer and totally not what the campaign stood for).
 
2012-12-12 11:16:16 AM  
FTA: Pointing to Republican's difficulties with Hispanics, Bolger, who is partners with Mitt Romney's 2012 pollster, wrote: "the Republican Party is in danger of becoming the 'Win In Off Years Only Party' unless we make a full-throated improvement with Hispanic voters. And, we have to admit it is us, not them."

Chances of Republicans listening to this guy: 0%.
 
2012-12-12 11:16:40 AM  

mrshowrules: SlothB77: Dear Republicans,

Step 1) Let the democrats raise taxes.
Step 2) Do nothing.
Step 3) Win in 2016

Why is this so hard?

If the options are: democrats raising taxes alone or the republicans making a deal with democrats that involves raising taxes, let democrats raise taxes alone. Republicans are the party of low taxes and economic freedom. What do we have left if we compromise that core value?
If people think our current economic woes are the result of too-low taxes, they will see the truth. If republicans think the economy will get worse when taxes are raised, then don't share in the blame. Let the blame fall solely on democrats.

You realize that the very first thing the DNC will do after the tax cuts expire is propose tax cuts for the poor and middle class? Honestly, you realize that right?


First order of business on Jan 1, 2013. I'd be surprised if they even managed all sit down before the Democrats are clamoring to be the ones to offer up those tax breaks.

For the GOP, it means this: They have to go along with 'bi-partisan' efforts to offer tax breaks that the President WILL SIGN, or come out against tax breaks. So, either they do what the President wants and is now currently demanding on an hourly basis, or they wear a nice heavy anchor labeled "Voted against Middle Class Tax Cuts"

GOP Options on Jan 1, 2013: Do what the President wants and demands. Or embrace higher taxes for the Middle Class.

It's that simple.
 
2012-12-12 11:17:23 AM  

bunner: What worked. - You peddled somebody who could form a sentence, looked good in a suit and seemed like a normal, educated man.


Romney seemed like a lot of things, but "normal" was never one of them.
 
2012-12-12 11:19:12 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: bunner: What worked. - You peddled somebody who could form a sentence, looked good in a suit and seemed like a normal, educated man.

Romney seemed like a lot of things, but "normal" was never one of them.


the most honest speech of his campaign seemed to be his concession speech. if that version of Romney had showed up earlier in the campaign then he might have given Obama a run for his money.

*sigh*

only the Republicans could be so out of touch as to put a man like Mitt Romney up against Obama.
 
2012-12-12 11:21:27 AM  

Weaver95: Philip Francis Queeg: bunner: What worked. - You peddled somebody who could form a sentence, looked good in a suit and seemed like a normal, educated man.

Romney seemed like a lot of things, but "normal" was never one of them.

the most honest speech of his campaign seemed to be his concession speech. if that version of Romney had showed up earlier in the campaign then he might have given Obama a run for his money.

*sigh*

only the Republicans could be so out of touch as to put a man like Mitt Romney up against Obama.


I thought he was pretty sincere when he was caught on camera talking about the 47%.
 
2012-12-12 11:22:04 AM  

sprawl15: There was literally nothing they did the entire campaign that was a good move. At best they had fleeting cleverness (like picking Paul Ryan) that they undermined by being total farkheads (declaring everything Paul Ryan did to be cancer and totally not what the campaign stood for).


There was one thing: Mitt Romney's first debate prep.
 
2012-12-12 11:22:47 AM  
What didn't work?
You were supposed to send in one decent looking guy to a job interview. He brought along a bunch of frat buddies who started talking about how women liked being raped, and how every other person they saw in the room was a freeloading bum.

If you go to a party and your date pisses in the punch bowl, plants an upperdecker, and sticks his dick in the mashed potatoes, you will BOTH be shown the door.
 
2012-12-12 11:22:55 AM  
But they nailed that old white wealthy Christian male demographic down cold.
 
2012-12-12 11:23:37 AM  
The GOP is not afriad that raising taxes will hinder the economy, they are afraid it won't.
 
2012-12-12 11:23:55 AM  
What worked:

Repeating as nauseum crazy right wing rhetoric that made the party hostile to women, elderly, gays, minorities, and anyone who actually works for a living.

Keep doing more of that, GOP.
 
2012-12-12 11:26:09 AM  

SlothB77:
If the options are: democrats raising taxes alone or the republicans making a deal with democrats that involves raising taxes, let democrats raise taxes alone. Republicans are the party of low taxes and economic freedom. What do we have left if we compromise that core value?
If people think our current economic woes are the result of too-low taxes, they will see the truth.


I hope you get exactly what you want
 
2012-12-12 11:27:44 AM  

SlothB77: Dear Republicans,

Step 1) Let the democrats raise taxes.
Step 2) Do nothing.
Step 3) Win in 2016

Why is this so hard?

If the options are: democrats raising taxes alone or the republicans making a deal with democrats that involves raising taxes, let democrats raise taxes alone. Republicans are the party of low taxes and economic freedom. What do we have left if we compromise that core value?
If people think our current economic woes are the result of too-low taxes, they will see the truth. If republicans think the economy will get worse when taxes are raised, then don't share in the blame. Let the blame fall solely on democrats.


Your post would make sense if Republican policies made sense and if they believed in them. You do, because you're stupid. The people who own you, however, know that it's a house of cards and bullshiat.
 
2012-12-12 11:28:20 AM  

bunner: What worked. - You peddled somebody who could form a sentence, looked good in a suit and seemed like a normal, educated man.


Few people thought Romney was "normal", IMHO. Maybe it's the odd Mormonistic goodie two shoes Flanders effect or his actual personality or him trying to twist himself in a pretzel trying to please both moderates and the loonie tunes right wing, but he came off as a weird, stiff robot.
 
2012-12-12 11:28:35 AM  

qorkfiend: sprawl15: There was literally nothing they did the entire campaign that was a good move. At best they had fleeting cleverness (like picking Paul Ryan) that they undermined by being total farkheads (declaring everything Paul Ryan did to be cancer and totally not what the campaign stood for).

There was one thing: Mitt Romney's first debate prep.


No, not even then. It wasn't that Romney did well, he did just as 'well' in the second and third debates in terms of his own performance. The reason Obama lost was that he just kind of laid there and frowned through it rather than addressing the nonsense.
 
2012-12-12 11:30:15 AM  

dickfreckle: Counter_Intelligent: Us smartphone FARKers aren't offended by text. It's pictures that are too wide to fit onscreen that tick us off. It ruins the entire page.

I'm particularly pissed at long words, like when someone says "Bahahahaha" except longer than that. Totally farks up the entire thread when mobile.

So guys, stop doing that.


I laugh at people trying to view complicate web pages on a mobile platform. In fact, I go something like this: Buhahahahahahahaahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha .
 
2012-12-12 11:30:28 AM  

sprawl15: There was literally nothing they did the entire campaign that was a good move. At best they had fleeting cleverness (like picking Paul Ryan) that they undermined by being total farkheads (declaring everything Paul Ryan did to be cancer and totally not what the campaign stood for).


Nominating the guy known for his record as governor of Massachusetts and having him run against himself wasn't a good idea either.
 
2012-12-12 11:31:27 AM  
What worked: Everything.
What didn't: We didn't bank on ACORN stealing the election.

The GOP won the demographics that "mattered", right? They won the older crowd, the richer crowd, the whiter crowd, and the manlier crowd. They didn't win among "takers", and didn't want to. They didn't win among nonwhite religious conservatives, and didn't try to. They didn't win among the median-wage crowd, and didn't think they needed to.
 
2012-12-12 11:31:29 AM  

sprawl15: The reason Obama lost was that he just kind of laid there and frowned through it rather than addressing the nonsense.


If a sewer main exploded all over you, you'd have no choice but to stand their dumbfounded while you were covered in gallons of sh*t, too.
 
2012-12-12 11:32:38 AM  

DemonEater: What worked: Gerrymandering


This is true. Without it, the Dems might have taken back the House (more people voted for Democratic House candidates than Republican ones).

But you can't gerrymander the Senate or Presidency.
 
2012-12-12 11:32:46 AM  

sprawl15: There was literally nothing they did the entire campaign that was a good move. At best they had fleeting cleverness (like picking Paul Ryan) that they undermined by being total farkheads (declaring everything Paul Ryan did to be cancer and totally not what the campaign stood for).


Keeping Dubya away from their convention was a good move. Kinda.
 
2012-12-12 11:33:19 AM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: If a sewer main exploded all over you, you'd have no choice but to stand their dumbfounded while you were covered in gallons of sh*t, too.


It wasn't an explosion of feces, it was a persistent waterfall. You have no excuse for getting out of the way of a fountain of ass when it's spraying for more than an hour.
 
2012-12-12 11:35:50 AM  

sprawl15: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: If a sewer main exploded all over you, you'd have no choice but to stand their dumbfounded while you were covered in gallons of sh*t, too.

It wasn't an explosion of feces, it was a persistent waterfall. You have no excuse for getting out of the way of a fountain of ass when it's spraying for more than an hour.


But surely you can see how the initial explosion of poop can be so blinding and surprising that you're just flailing around in a neverending torrent of the stuff, trying to wipe it out of your eyes and running around blind and stumbling knee deep in crap while the asshole just keeps spewing and spewing and spewing.
 
2012-12-12 11:37:47 AM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: But surely you can see how the initial explosion of poop can be so blinding and surprising that you're just flailing around in a neverending torrent of the stuff, trying to wipe it out of your eyes and running around blind and stumbling knee deep in crap while the asshole just keeps spewing and spewing and spewing.


No. I can't imagine being so shocked by something that I would just wallow in an ever growing lake of shiat rather than get up and run away.
 
2012-12-12 11:38:13 AM  
What worked:
* the 2010 gerrymandering. That'll hold well all the way to 2020, given that redistricting occurs once a decade (except for the time when Texas wanted to redistrict their states mid-decade during the Bush II administration and some of the democratic state legislators had to hide out in Oklahoma to not be present to hold a quorum for the bull rush voting).

* last minute bull-rush legislative votes a la the recent RTW legislation passed in Michigan.

* voter suppression through long lines and voter ID laws. It didn't shift the balance of power, but it sure did hamper the number of voters. So now, the 2012 election results showed Obama winning by about 4 million popular votes instead of possibly 14 million.

What didn't worked:
* being treasonous since January 2009 in terms of working with the president to better the country.

* adding oh-so-many anti-birth control, anti-abortion bills to the legislative bodies in the local, state and federal levels.

* outing yourselves as not caring for 47% of the country.
 
2012-12-12 11:41:00 AM  

mrshowrules: Keeping Dubya away from their convention was a good move. Kinda.


I don't know about that. Having the most recent republican President conspicuously absent sent a clear message that they were embarrassed by him. Then it didn't help that Romney had Bush's old advisers and looked to promise more of the same. So, "Yeah Bush sucked but vote Romney, he has all the same people and ideas". That wasn't a great message for them to send IMO. Not that it would have mattered either way.
 
2012-12-12 11:43:14 AM  

Weaver95: ..but that's ok, because that's how democracy works. you get a little of what you want, the other guy gets some of what he wants


As presently constituted, the Republican Party cannot govern. It can only rule.
 
2012-12-12 11:43:34 AM  

dericwater: * voter suppression through long lines and voter ID laws. It didn't shift the balance of power, but it sure did hamper the number of voters. So now, the 2012 election results showed Obama winning by about 4 million popular votes instead of possibly 14 million.


It actually worked against them in a lot of swing states - the Obama ground game was miles ahead of the Romney ground game, and they banged the suppression drum a LOT to get groups out who otherwise weren't particularly motivated this election (like black churches) and organized them so well they generally knew the laws better than the poll workers.
 
2012-12-12 11:44:16 AM  

Thank You Black Jesus!: The GOP is not afraid that raising taxes will hinder the economy, they are afraid it won't.


They know that raising taxes will help the economy. At least the smarter ones do. They know that helping the economy is tantamount to helping the enemy, the democrats and their titular head, the blah guy, Obama, and they would rather sink the economy and the country than to do any one thing to help the country. And when they're in power, rather than help the country to consolidate their power, they go on a drug-addled binge to suck as much money from the country as they can to give to their 1%'er friends (so that they can fund their re-election), and then drop that pile of turd back on the democrats to fix up in the following 4-8 years (hopefully 4).
 
2012-12-12 11:47:43 AM  
What the Republicans need to start grappling with is that no strategy was going to make a candidate selected from this group:

www.csmonitor.com

Running on this platform, the most attractive option for over 50% of American voters.

They have won the popular vote in one of the last six Presidential elections. They have deep structural problems.
 
2012-12-12 11:48:00 AM  
Senator-elect Ted Cruz gives a speech, proves GOP learned nothing from the election. Link
 
2012-12-12 11:48:44 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: What the Republicans need to start grappling with is that no strategy was going to make a candidate selected from this group:

[www.csmonitor.com image 600x400]

Running on this platform, the most attractive option for over 50% of American voters.

They have won the popular vote in one of the last six Presidential elections. They have deep structural problems.


I think they could have had a chance if they went with Herman Cain. I would have voted for him.
 
2012-12-12 11:49:44 AM  
Yeah, whatever.

The GOP has become nothing but a collection of plutocratic, anti-intellectual, bigoted, regressive ideologues, who will bend over backwards to defend the wealthiest Americans at the expense of everyone else.

It's their philosophies and policies that are disgusting.
It's their hypocrisy that is repulsive.
It's their callous disregard for anyone who isn't wealthy that's offensive.

Everything the GOP does and everything they believe (or say they believe) is wrong, as far as I'm concerned.
 
2012-12-12 11:55:46 AM  

MmmmBacon: What worked - Convincing the Teatards that they are Mainstream.
What didn't work - Banking on the Teatards vote to be enough to carry the Presidency for the GOP.

2014 is going to be a great indicator as to whether the leadership in the GOP got the message from 2012. If they continue to court the far-right Tea Party types, they will continue to lose in the mid-terms, and there is likely no hope of them reforming into a sane and effectual political party for 2016 and beyond. But if in 2014 the GOP disavows the Teatards, lets them split off to their own far-right party while the Republicans move back towards the center, then... the GOP will lose ground in the midterms to the Dems. But they will regain the soul of the party, and actually have a chance of winning in 2016 and beyond.


I believe that by 2014, those who are currently in the GOP who want to move back towards the center, those who have a rational thought once in a while, will be members of the Democratic party. The tea party will own the GOP by 2014 and they will raise the derp to 11ty. There is no way the GOP will move back to the center. The fringe right will castigate them and the center and left will not believe them. They're caught between a rock and a hard place that they created for themselves.
 
2012-12-12 11:59:27 AM  

sprawl15: dericwater: * voter suppression through long lines and voter ID laws. It didn't shift the balance of power, but it sure did hamper the number of voters. So now, the 2012 election results showed Obama winning by about 4 million popular votes instead of possibly 14 million.

It actually worked against them in a lot of swing states - the Obama ground game was miles ahead of the Romney ground game, and they banged the suppression drum a LOT to get groups out who otherwise weren't particularly motivated this election (like black churches) and organized them so well they generally knew the laws better than the poll workers.


No doubt that the thought of voter suppression and the very overt machinations towards voter suppression (and the news articles) brought out a lot of the voters. But don't you for a minute believe that millions of voters were not disenfranchised by the suppression. The suppression worked, the anti-suppression GOTV worked even better, netting a positive for the GOTV side.
 
2012-12-12 12:03:37 PM  

dericwater: But don't you for a minute believe that millions of voters were not disenfranchised by the suppression. The suppression worked, the anti-suppression GOTV worked even better, netting a positive for the GOTV side.


I'm not saying it didn't work, but rather that the effect was much harsher among GOP voters because of their unpreparedness - that some sovereign citizen out in the sticks humping his guns and bible was just as suppressed as some refrigerator owning minority welfare queen, but the latter had the support of the ground game. It was a horrific backfire. They would have done better by not even trying to suppress the vote.
 
2012-12-12 12:05:58 PM  
I expect it will come down to the same thing that Jacques Parizeau concluded in his party's failure (pops)

He went on to suggest that Quebecois have more babies (voters)
 
2012-12-12 12:06:21 PM  

sprawl15: Philip Francis Queeg: What the Republicans need to start grappling with is that no strategy was going to make a candidate selected from this group:

[www.csmonitor.com image 600x400]

Running on this platform, the most attractive option for over 50% of American voters.

They have won the popular vote in one of the last six Presidential elections. They have deep structural problems.

I think they could have had a chance if they went with Herman Cain. I would have voted for him.


Of the many candidates there, why Cain? He was there to shill for his book. He had no pretensions of wanting to be president. I fully expected him to pull out if it went down to him and one other candidate as the two remaining viable candidates. Heck, he wouldn't have waited until then. The GOP handlers wanted a darkie to mollify the african-americans (and Bachmann's presence was to mollify the women), but they had no intention of having Cain anywhere near the seat. And they chose Cain because he didn't want the seat as well.
 
2012-12-12 12:08:38 PM  

Fart_Machine: But they nailed that old white wealthy Christian male demographic down cold.


Dr Dreidel: The GOP won the demographics that "mattered", right? They won the older crowd, the richer crowd, the whiter crowd, and the manlier crowd. They didn't win among "takers", and didn't want to. They didn't win among nonwhite religious conservatives, and didn't try to. They didn't win among the median-wage crowd, and didn't think they needed to.


What's so wrong about that? Haven't you heard of the aphorism "What's good for GM is good for America?"

Well, what's good the for the Republican base is what's good for America, because the Republican base IS America. Real America. The America that beat the British Empire, won two World Wars, and won the Cold War.

The American Left caused America to lose the Vietnam War, would have surrendered to the Communists, and now wants to surrender to the Islamofascists.

Don't be fooled by liberal propaganda. Take the "rape baby" non-controversy. Instead of screaming about a women's non-existent right to abortion on demand, why aren't we doing more to prevent rape babies in the first place? If abstinence education were taught to every schoolkid, then more sluts would have the moral fiber to Just Say No To Rape - voila, problem solved. But of course that would undermine the trillion dollar abortion industry, who are the main contributors to the feminazis behind the liberal family-destroying agenda.

I do concede that maybe the GOP could be doing a better job of packaging our message. Instead of stating "knocked-up sluts need to keep their rape babies - the power of Christ compels you", maybe we should be saying "We're sorry about the bad choices you've made that led to this. But look on the bright side - Jesus has given you an unconsensual, unanticipated gift of human life." I mean, you don't technically consent to a surprise birthday party, do you? That would spoil the surprise. But even though you didn't approve of it or expect it, it's still a gift. Who would want to abort their own surprise birthday party?
 
2012-12-12 12:09:54 PM  

dericwater: Of the many candidates there, why Cain?


Because he was farking hilarious.

It's like I tend to say - the difference in parties to me is that I pretty materially disagree with the one while the other makes me physically ill to my stomach. I'd much rather vote in a joke candidate.
 
2012-12-12 12:10:06 PM  

Rixel: I expect it will come down to the same thing that Jacques Parizeau concluded in his party's failure (pops)

He went on to suggest that Quebecois have more babies (voters)


My aunt use to clean his office and steal/drink his cognac. He was/is? a bigoted asshole.
 
2012-12-12 12:12:16 PM  

Parthenogenetic: Fart_Machine: But they nailed that old white wealthy Christian male demographic down cold.

Dr Dreidel: The GOP won the demographics that "mattered", right? They won the older crowd, the richer crowd, the whiter crowd, and the manlier crowd. They didn't win among "takers", and didn't want to. They didn't win among nonwhite religious conservatives, and didn't try to. They didn't win among the median-wage crowd, and didn't think they needed to.

What's so wrong about that? Haven't you heard of the aphorism "What's good for GM is good for America?"

Well, what's good the for the Republican base is what's good for America, because the Republican base IS America. Real America. The America that beat the British Empire, won two World Wars, and won the Cold War.

The American Left caused America to lose the Vietnam War, would have surrendered to the Communists, and now wants to surrender to the Islamofascists.

Don't be fooled by liberal propaganda. Take the "rape baby" non-controversy. Instead of screaming about a women's non-existent right to abortion on demand, why aren't we doing more to prevent rape babies in the first place? If abstinence education were taught to every schoolkid, then more sluts would have the moral fiber to Just Say No To Rape - voila, problem solved. But of course that would undermine the trillion dollar abortion industry, who are the main contributors to the feminazis behind the liberal family-destroying agenda.

I do concede that maybe the GOP could be doing a better job of packaging our message. Instead of stating "knocked-up sluts need to keep their rape babies - the power of Christ compels you", maybe we should be saying "We're sorry about the bad choices you've made that led to this. But look on the bright side - Jesus has given you an unconsensual, unanticipated gift of human life." I mean, you don't technically consent to a surprise birthday party, do you? That would spoil the surprise. But even though you didn't approve of it or ex ...


8/10 (points lost for good grammar and spelling)
 
2012-12-12 12:13:01 PM  

Parthenogenetic: The American Left caused America to lose the Vietnam War, would have surrendered to the Communists, and now wants to surrender to the Islamofascists.


Where do you get this horseshiat? Is there some underground psycho right wing newsletter?
 
2012-12-12 12:13:08 PM  

sprawl15: I'd much rather vote in a joke candidate.


How'd that work out in 2000?
 
2012-12-12 12:14:02 PM  

lilbjorn: sprawl15: I'd much rather vote in a joke candidate.

How'd that work out in 2000?


Traficant didn't win that year either.
 
2012-12-12 12:21:08 PM  

lilbjorn: sprawl15: I'd much rather vote in a joke candidate.

How'd that work out in 2000?


This. Your choice of humor causes the rest of us to be utterly destroyed. Please, no joke candidates.
 
2012-12-12 12:26:15 PM  

dickfreckle: Here's what irks me: When I screw up (which is damn near all the time), I own it and take measures not to repeat it. I'm not sure, but I think this is the "personal responsibility" these junkyard dogs have been barking at me for years.


When I teach programming I tell my students that the greatest talent they can have is the ability to say, "I screwed up 50 times a day." Because if there's a bug in your code you put it there; not the compiler, not the linker, not Microsoft (yeah, sometimes, very rarely, it IS Microsoft). If you cannot say, "I screwed up," you cannot find your bug and fix it.

/ Don't know many Republican coders.
 
2012-12-12 12:27:34 PM  

sprawl15: dericwater: But don't you for a minute believe that millions of voters were not disenfranchised by the suppression. The suppression worked, the anti-suppression GOTV worked even better, netting a positive for the GOTV side.

I'm not saying it didn't work, but rather that the effect was much harsher among GOP voters because of their unpreparedness - that some sovereign citizen out in the sticks humping his guns and bible was just as suppressed as some refrigerator owning minority welfare queen, but the latter had the support of the ground game. It was a horrific backfire. They would have done better by not even trying to suppress the vote.


I can't speak for the GOP ground game. They spoke a good game, claiming they know every precinct and every voters' intentions. They may be speaking the truth, or maybe they're just blowing smoke out of their asses. I do know of the Obama's GOTV ground game, as I was a volunteer in the phone banking. We do know each and every voter's position. Now, while we didn't create any voter suppression actions, we did identify the GOP among those in the SF Bay Area (I know, not too many, and our intent wasn't to out them as much as to update the database) and just let them be. Our goal in the Bay Area was to call into the swing states, Nevada, in particular, to contact DEMOCRATIC voters to make sure they're going to get out to vote. So yes, we were working hard to overcome the suppression. Some others drove out to Reno or Las Vegas (those from LA/SD area did that) and helped get people signed up to vote or to help them on election day to walk up to the polling places.

The GOP may talk a good game, but I doubt they had the same community-activist capability of bringing people together to make things like that happen.
 
2012-12-12 12:28:24 PM  

dericwater: This. Your choice of humor causes the rest of us to be utterly destroyed.


"I'd rather vote joke candidate than vote for an honest GOP candidate"
"YEAH THAT WORKED OUT WITH BUSH"

jesus you people are stupid
 
2012-12-12 12:31:23 PM  

Mugato: Parthenogenetic: The American Left caused America to lose the Vietnam War, would have surrendered to the Communists, and now wants to surrender to the Islamofascists.

Where do you get this horseshiat? Is there some underground psycho right wing newsletter?


Have you been asleep the last eleven years and three months since 9/11? You missed all of the GOP talking heads on Fox News and teh internets screaming about liberal appeasement and how any criticism of the War on Terror was high treason and surrender to the Islamofascist Caliphate?

Here is just one recent example (warning: American Thinker)
 
2012-12-12 12:31:34 PM  

Sybarite: I think taking a single quote of your opponent blatantly out of context then building an entire night of your convention around that deception is a really, really good idea that no one will ever see through.


That didn't matter. Their party's in an echo chamber and the whole "We built this" garbage didn't change anyone's mind one way or the other. GOP supporters completely bought into it and Obama supporters tried in vain to define what the word "context" meant. Any real undecideds, if they actually existed at that point, were probably wondering what all the hype was about.
 
2012-12-12 12:33:10 PM  

Parthenogenetic: Dr Dreidel: The GOP won the demographics that "mattered", right? They won the older crowd, the richer crowd, the whiter crowd, and the manlier crowd. They didn't win among "takers", and didn't want to. They didn't win among nonwhite religious conservatives, and didn't try to. They didn't win among the median-wage crowd, and didn't think they needed to.

What's so wrong about that? Haven't you heard of the aphorism "What's good for GM is good for America?"

Well, what's good the for the Republican base is what's good for America, because the Republican base IS America. Real America. The America that beat the British Empire, won two World Wars, and won the Cold War.

The American Left caused America to lose the Vietnam War, would have surrendered to the Communists, and now wants to surrender to the Islamofascists.


2/10 - spelled right, and before I had read that far, I saw right through it.

Labor (unions), rebels (who are, by definition, not conservative), Wilson and FDR, and the USSR spending itself into oblivion (while the US did the same, we at least had the bankroll for it - thanks, Reagan!). Yawn.
 
2012-12-12 12:35:28 PM  

dericwater: I can't speak for the GOP ground game.


It's not like I'm trying to explain weird abstract shiat to you. I told you a couple times their ground game sucked. You can easily spend 10 seconds googling to find all kinds of angry rants by Romney staffers who were pissed about how terrible the ground game was if you're really on the fence about believing it.

brigid_fitch: Their party's in an echo chamber and the whole "We built this" garbage didn't change anyone's mind one way or the other.


That's one of the bigger structural problems with the GOP - they're in a holding pattern when the demographics are shifting. They rely on things that are bland, sound good to the believers, and don't change anyone's mind because they believe that most of America will vote for them by default.

Remember that the existence of significant numbers of minorities surprised these assholes.
 
2012-12-12 12:41:06 PM  

sprawl15: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: But surely you can see how the initial explosion of poop can be so blinding and surprising that you're just flailing around in a neverending torrent of the stuff, trying to wipe it out of your eyes and running around blind and stumbling knee deep in crap while the asshole just keeps spewing and spewing and spewing.

No. I can't imagine being so shocked by something that I would just wallow in an ever growing lake of shiat rather than get up and run away.


Then you've never taken a poop apocalypse right to the face. That much is clear.
 
2012-12-12 12:42:39 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: sprawl15: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: But surely you can see how the initial explosion of poop can be so blinding and surprising that you're just flailing around in a neverending torrent of the stuff, trying to wipe it out of your eyes and running around blind and stumbling knee deep in crap while the asshole just keeps spewing and spewing and spewing.

No. I can't imagine being so shocked by something that I would just wallow in an ever growing lake of shiat rather than get up and run away.

Then you've never taken a poop apocalypse right to the face. That much is clear.


Not for a solid hour, at any rate.
 
2012-12-12 12:43:00 PM  

SlothB77: Dear Republicans,

Step 1) Let the democrats raise taxes.
Step 2) Do nothing.
Step 3) Win in 2016

Why is this so hard?

If the options are: democrats raising taxes alone or the republicans making a deal with democrats that involves raising taxes, let democrats raise taxes alone. Republicans are the party of low taxes and economic freedom. What do we have left if we compromise that core value?
If people think our current economic woes are the result of too-low taxes, they will see the truth. If republicans think the economy will get worse when taxes are raised, then don't share in the blame. Let the blame fall solely on democrats.


You are now marked as, "Deep cover liberal mole."
 
2012-12-12 12:43:35 PM  

sprawl15: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: sprawl15: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: But surely you can see how the initial explosion of poop can be so blinding and surprising that you're just flailing around in a neverending torrent of the stuff, trying to wipe it out of your eyes and running around blind and stumbling knee deep in crap while the asshole just keeps spewing and spewing and spewing.

No. I can't imagine being so shocked by something that I would just wallow in an ever growing lake of shiat rather than get up and run away.

Then you've never taken a poop apocalypse right to the face. That much is clear.

Not for a solid hour, at any rate.


Then you, sir, have not lived.
 
2012-12-12 12:48:28 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Senator-elect Ted Cruz gives a speech, proves GOP learned nothing from the election. Link

This misunderstanding explains how Cruz came up with "opportunity conservatism," which is not a new policy agenda, but rather a new way to market conservatives' existing policy agenda. He says "we need to conceptualize, we need to articulate conservative domestic policy with a laser focus on opportunity, on easing the means of ascent up the economic ladder." In other words, he thinks tight money and a smaller safety net are good for middle-income Americans, and we just need to explain to them why.


I'm telling you, the GOP is nothing but a bunch of these guys.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-12 12:49:53 PM  
What didn't work? Thinking that The Secret would work as a Presidential campaign strategy.

What did work? Bilking ignorant, pissing their pants scared, billionaires into donating untraceable, unaccountable millions into black hole Super Pacs, never to be seen again. 

/sorry Sheldon, no Israel via USA proxy war with Iran, not yours, cannot haz.
 
2012-12-12 12:58:31 PM  
My suggestion to Republicans, stick with the rape stuff. It worked great for the Democrats.
 
2012-12-12 12:59:23 PM  

Bag of Hammers: What didn't work? Thinking that The Secret would work as a Presidential campaign strategy.


That's the best description of Romney's campaign I have heard so far.
 
2012-12-12 01:05:15 PM  
What worked:

* Sleep - Necessary for health and no gaffs for 8 hour period.
* Eating - RomneyBot 1.0 stopped for a while and died.

What didn't work
* Crappy candidates
* Crappy platforms
* Lack of solutions
* History of obstructionism
* Hatred for 47% of the voting public

Yeah, how they lost was a mystery.
 
2012-12-12 01:26:46 PM  
I think the whole slut-shaming thing was working for them. They should continue to focus on that for the next election.
 
2012-12-12 01:26:58 PM  
This will be just another Republican circle jerk, much like the campaign was. Any conclusions they reach will not have a damned thing to do with reality.
 
2012-12-12 01:34:07 PM  
What worked: persuading some people to vote for them.
What didn't: persuading enough people to vote for them.

Obvious approaches:
1) Changing who votes, by
1.1) More effective get-out-the-vote targeting of GOP-likely voters
1.2) Voter supression of Democratic-likely voters (which is illegal if proven, so don't get caught)
2) Become more effective at persuading people of the GOP message
3) Change the GOP message to one enough people can be persuaded to accept
 
2012-12-12 01:42:39 PM  

Graffito: I think the whole slut-shaming thing was working for them. They should continue to focus on that for the next election.


This. They lost focus and went off message. Some Republicans were calling them sluts and others were saying that if they enjoyed rape it wasn't legitimate and they couldn't get pregnant. Others claiming that some women "rape easy" and others that rape-babies are God's will and a gift.

All over the map. They need to be clear and on message - always.

1. women are sluts
2. rape is good
3. abortion is always murder

Take ownership of the issues or the issues will own you. The equivocated too much and that is why they lost.
 
2012-12-12 02:00:07 PM  

sprawl15: No. I can't imagine being so shocked by something that I would just wallow in an ever growing lake of shiat rather than get up and run away.


What if you're contractually obligated to stay for the duration?
 
2012-12-12 02:05:43 PM  

Deucednuisance: sprawl15: No. I can't imagine being so shocked by something that I would just wallow in an ever growing lake of shiat rather than get up and run away.

What if you're contractually obligated to stay for the duration?


Are you suggesting Obama was contractually obliged to not call Romney out on his bullshiat?
 
2012-12-12 02:05:49 PM  

Parthenogenetic: What's so wrong about that? Haven't you heard of the aphorism "What's good for GM is good for America?"

Well, what's good the for the Republican base is what's good for America, because the Republican base IS America. Real America. The America that beat the British Empire, won two World Wars, and won the Cold War.

The American Left caused America to lose the Vietnam War, would have surrendered to the Communists, and now wants to surrender to the Islamofascists.

Don't be fooled by liberal propaganda. Take the "rape baby" non-controversy. Instead of screaming about a women's non-existent right to abortion on demand, why aren't we doing more to prevent rape babies in the first place? If abstinence education were taught to every schoolkid, then more sluts would have the moral fiber to Just Say No To Rape - voila, problem solved. But of course that would undermine the trillion dollar abortion industry, who are the main contributors to the feminazis behind the liberal family-destroying agenda.

I do concede that maybe the GOP could be doing a better job of packaging our message. Instead of stating "knocked-up sluts need to keep their rape babies - the power of Christ compels you", maybe we should be saying "We're sorry about the bad choices you've made that led to this. But look on the bright side - Jesus has given you an unconsensual, unanticipated gift of human life." I mean, you don't technically consent to a surprise birthday party, do you? That would spoil the surprise. But even though you didn't approve of it or expect it, it's still a gift. Who would want to abort their own surprise birthday party?


Farker, I post with Pocket Ninja. I know Pocket Ninja. Pocket Ninja is a friend of mine. Farker, you are no Pocket Ninja.

/Still got the "Funny" click from me
 
2012-12-12 02:11:12 PM  

sprawl15: Are you suggesting Obama was contractually obliged to not call Romney out on his bullshiat?


You said "run away" not "ask that the shiat machine be turned off".
 
2012-12-12 02:15:27 PM  
30 seconds? Padding the schedule.
 
2012-12-12 02:19:49 PM  
I'll save them a lot of time and money:

The system worked.
 
2012-12-12 02:21:07 PM  
1. Terrible messaging strategy. The negatives were largely based on lies (Jeep) and taking things out of context (you didn't build that). You must be deep in the echo chamber to think most Americans would buy that Obama really meant that government built every business and the owners didn't. Puhleeze.

The positives were also weak: Romney didn't pivot to the center until well after the convention. He needed to do that at least as soon as he had the nomination locked up, and really, earlier. Some charges of RINO early on might have helped independents think he wasn't part and parcel of the extreme wing of the GOP

2. No microtargeting. This was a huge difference between Obama and Romney. If a family has, say, a special needs child, make sure every email/phone call/web ad that reaches them pushes that button. This gets you motivated voters

3. Too much focus on motivating their base. "Makers and takers", socialists, all of these portrayals of the left as crazed demons out to destroy capitalism - these things don't work. Romney's own father relied on public assistance at one point.

4. Too negative. It was all about how terrible the other side was, how people on assistance are destroying the country, etc. Reagan won on a message of hope, Bush 43 won on a message of compassionate conservatism. Don't condemn someone for not paying federal income taxes, promise that an improving economy will pull them in to the middle class and let them contribute, and then talk about what that means - giving more people a stake in government spending choices.
 
2012-12-12 02:40:00 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: sprawl15: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: If a sewer main exploded all over you, you'd have no choice but to stand their dumbfounded while you were covered in gallons of sh*t, too.

It wasn't an explosion of feces, it was a persistent waterfall. You have no excuse for getting out of the way of a fountain of ass when it's spraying for more than an hour.

But surely you can see how the initial explosion of poop can be so blinding and surprising that you're just flailing around in a neverending torrent of the stuff, trying to wipe it out of your eyes and running around blind and stumbling knee deep in crap while the asshole just keeps spewing and spewing and spewing.


Dafuq are you 2 going on about?

/on second thought, nvm, don't tell me
 
2012-12-12 03:12:57 PM  

Geotpf: more people voted for Democratic House candidates than Republican ones).


This is as relevant as the county map GOP people throw out there. When you have areas that will vote for Chaka Fatta's corpse at 95% over any white person, you'll get stats like that.
 
2012-12-12 03:15:41 PM  

Smoking GNU: /on second thought, nvm, don't tell me


That's about as nuanced as my analysis of the first presidential debate in 2012 gets. Buttcrap. It's how I roll.
 
2012-12-12 03:23:16 PM  

MugzyBrown: Geotpf: more people voted for Democratic House candidates than Republican ones).

This is as relevant as the county map GOP people throw out there. When you have areas that will vote for Chaka Fatta's corpse at 95% over any white person, you'll get stats like that.


no
 
2012-12-12 03:57:53 PM  
Shhhhhh. Nobody give them any advice.
 
2012-12-12 04:09:40 PM  

Pincy: Shhhhhh. Nobody give them any advice.


We can give bad advice, right?

Because I think they need even older and less relevant celebrity endorsements to draw in the young people.

Maybe Tom Wopat?

d3rm69wky8vagu.cloudfront.net
 
2012-12-12 04:46:08 PM  
The best part? Forever. The R-ape party is incapable of seeing their own problems, acknowledging their own problems, or dealing with their own problems. That is never going to change.

Keep true to yourselves, gop. You're perfect just the way you are, and never let anyone tell you different.
 
2012-12-12 04:46:53 PM  
You want the 2012 Campaign in a 10-second nutshell? It was the Democratic convention, when they held that voice vote to put whatever religious thing it was in the party platform. There was a bit of an outcry, and it ate up a bit of a news cycle, and then that talking point went away. What do people remember from this year's DNC? The speeches. Clinton being awesome, John Kerry being hilarious and biting, Jennifer Granholm cheerleading...

But the Democrats saw a talking point and cut it off at the knees. The GOP seems to have forgotten how to do that sort of message control.
 
2012-12-12 04:47:05 PM  
This is kind of a long post but worth sharing. The following Festival of Rightwingistan Whine was circulating in the wretched Conservative underbelly of FB and it reflects the mindset of butt hurt Conservatives post 2012 election;

(Begin)
Posted before, but worth sharing again... This was messaged in by Patriot Denny Kellough..

"***IT'S OFFICIAL***

Well, It's official; I don't know anything.

I thought for sure that given such a clear choice, Americans would vote for love of country over revenge.

I was wrong.

I thought, that just as every presidential election in my lifetime, the bad economy would be hung around the incumbent's neck, sinking him.

I was wrong.

I thought that even those few Americans who were fortunate enough to still be fully employed (not counting those leeching off the public system) would be cognizant of how much pain their neighbors were in and elect someone who would at least try to make improvements.

I was wrong.

I thought that now that FINALLY some of the disturbing truths about our first black president had come to light, voters would reject a man so dangerously at odds with the American experience.

I was wrong.

I thought the 2010 elections and the Tea Party meant something.

I thought the enthusiasm on display at Romney/Ryan events, contrasted with the lack of same at Obama/Biden events meant something.

I thought Americans would never sell their liberty for the sake of trinkets like cell phones or even big shiny lies like 'free health care'.

I was wrong.

Never in a million years would I have supposed that America would support a president who left his (our) people to die at the hands of our enemies overseas without lifting a hand to help, then lie about what he watched in real time for over two weeks, then lie about the lie for another month.

I was wrong.

I thought Americans could tell a hawk from a handsaw.

I was wrong.

We were offered the clearest choice we've had since 1980, where we had malaise and a misery index on one hand and a shining city on a hill on the other. Back then, we chose the city on the hill. This time the choice was between a man who says 7.9% unemployment and $4.00 gas is the new normal and a guy whose entire career has been about fixing broken entities.

We chose to stay broken. And Broke.

Maybe I'm wrong about the ramifications of this choice. Maybe windmills will actually turn out to be a viable energy source. Maybe America diminished will be loved overseas. Maybe a nuclear Iran won't be a threat. Maybe Israel is over reacting. Maybe western civilization was always over rated. Maybe life under sharia is fun. Maybe when the rest of the world realizes that we have no intention of ever paying back that $16,000,000,000,000.00 (and counting) that we've borrowed from them, they won't devalue the dollar, causing hyper inflation here at home. Maybe China will just keep on giving us money and not demand our hearts, souls, national monuments and marriageable daughters as payment.

I've watched my candidate lose elections before but I've never felt the way I did last night when this one was called for Obama.

It wasn't bitterness or sadness or even disappointment. It took me a while to figure out what it was. Then it hit me; it was horror.

Pure, unadulterated horror.

Not because of Obama, but because of what it says about us, the American people, that we chose this.

It shouldn't have even been close. Faced with the choice between taking charge of our destiny and tackling our financial problems, we opted to get high and have sex. We re elected a guy who doesn't understand that a growing economy that creates more tax payers will bring in more revenue than higher taxes. A Commander in Chief who doesn't know our military still uses bayonets. A man who wants to control the economy without even knowing the difference between bankruptcy and liquidation.
It was one thing to elect an unknown quantity, buying his line of 'Hope and Change'. It's something else to deliberately choose his failed policies over someone who has actually achieved success in life. I never dreamed America would do that.

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, Hello Idiocracy!

Goodbye, recovery.

Goodbye, energy independence.

Goodbye, religious liberty.

Goodbye, liberty and justice for all.

Goodbye, America dream.

It profits a man nothing to lose his soul for the whole world but we threw ours away for cell phones and birth control pills.

In the twentieth century (the American Century), we stepped up to the plate three times and saved the rest of the world from fascism, nazism and communism. We were the cavalry, always riding to the rescue.

Now, we've gotten rid of our horses, spent all our money on windmills, alienated our allies, bowed to our enemies, cut ourselves off from our own natural resources thrown away our children's birthright and spent their inheritance.

And we did it on purpose.

When the wolf is at the door (and he's coming, yelling 'Allahu Akbar') we're going to find out that there is no one out there to come to our rescue."

__________________________________

The following was my response to it which resulted in my bannation from three Rightwingistan FB pages who were reposting this drivel;

"Six weeks later and you guys still don't get it. Ok, I'll try to explain it to you and maybe it will get through.

You did not lose because of voter fraud, or because brown people want free stuff, or because of "the MEDIA". You lost because you started your primary way too early and the candidates you put up were all retreads or crazy people with once exception, Jon Huntsman, and he didn't make it past the third debate.

You lost because you have allowed your party to be overtaken by the Tea Party who have a public approval rating that hovers somewhere near the measles. Even Karl Rove has expressed displeasure with the way you've allowed the Tea Tards to primary away all of your sane, moderate, sensible ELECTABLE candidates. The general public does not want people in government who view compromise as a dirty word. The primary horse race changed leaders several times but ol' Mittens managed to outspend the rest of them and was essentially the last man standing when the dust settled. None of you liked Mittster in the beginning..you changed horses between Cain, Gingrich and Santorum before finally lining up behind Romney by default. You tried very hard to feign enthusiasm for him but ultimately everyone saw what was going on..you were backing him because he wasn't Obama. Mittens went on to mount a very awkward campaign, making very embarrassing public gaffes in his futile attempts to appear as anything but an out-of-touch rich guy who had "be President" on his bucket list, which culminated in his "47 percent" comments which effectively insulted close to half the country. On top of that, you guys doubled down on the statement and were appeared genuinely surprised when all those your insulted didn't vote for you.

On both the state and national level, you guys did your very best to alienate women and minorities and did a marvelous job of it.

You lost because you allowed Obama to take several unanswered swipes at Mitt's career as a "vulture capitalst" (as he was called by his own party members during the primaries) and because you refused to give specifics when asked about the details in your party's economic plan.

You nominated Paul Ryan as VP which was one of the biggest blunders of the entire affair. You lost because Mitt was not a believable candidate and he changed positions so many times you needed a scorecard to keep track.

You lost because you wouldn't marginalize your nutsos who insisted on talking about rape, birth control and restricting women's health care options while advocating unnecessary and invasive medical procedures for women seeking a procedure that is protected by the US Constitution.

You lost because you failed to put together anything that resembled a sane immigration policy.

You lost because old grumpy white guys are not the majority of the electorate any longer and that is who your key demographic seemed to be.

You lost because you did everything within your power to limit and restrict people's ability to vote, so much so that they lined up in droves and waited in line for hours to vote against you because of it.

You lost because you have caused Congress to cease to function because of your petulant pouting over the fact that your lost an election and caused the first credit downgrade the country has ever seen in it's history due to your willingness to allow the US to default on it's debts in the name of political posturing because of it.

You lost because people see you as the reason we're in the mess we're in and all you offer is "more of the same". I know this will be totally lost on everyone who actually reads it, but for some reason, after reading this whiny screed from Mr. Kellough, I felt compelled for bring you some perspective from "outside the right wing bubble". Ignore it at your peril but do not be too shocked if your party fails to win another major election until they do some serious reflection, purges the nutbags and starts to do more to bring people in rather than simply trying to squash them."

In the brief period after posting this before I was banned and the comments stricken, I was accused of copying talking points from Liberal media websites, was told I was a Communist who worshiped Obama like he was some sort of Messiah, was told that it really WAS the media, voter fraud and lazy Libs wanting free stuff..and generally that people were idiots for not choosing Romney because there was absolutely NOTHING wrong with his platform and that we were very lucky to have been blessed by his desire to help the country.
 
2012-12-12 04:49:49 PM  

zappaisfrank: I thought Americans could tell a hawk from a handsaw.


this is where i realized that obama was the worst thing ever
 
2012-12-12 04:57:21 PM  

Evil High Priest: The best part? Forever. The R-ape party is incapable of seeing their own problems, acknowledging their own problems, or dealing with their own problems. That is never going to change.

Keep true to yourselves, gop. You're perfect just the way you are, and never let anyone tell you different.


Reagan's 11th Commandment "Thou shalt never speak ill of fellow Republicans". Those guys take that shiat seriously. I have a number of hard core Republican friends and they will never, EVER, under ANY circumstances EVER say ANYTHING negative about ANYONE Republican. Ever. They will say nothing rather than admit someone Republican ever did anything wrong ever. A Republican could get caught with a dead hooker and they'd say she was a Liberal plant who lured the poor Republican into whatever it was and killed herself and made it look like murder just to make Republicans look bad.

I'm not kidding...
 
2012-12-12 05:01:07 PM  

sprawl15: zappaisfrank: I thought Americans could tell a hawk from a handsaw.

this is where i realized that obama was the worst thing ever


Does this mean I have to add "Handsaw" to the Big Spiffy List of All the Bad Things Fartbama Is?
 
2012-12-12 05:03:13 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: sprawl15: zappaisfrank: I thought Americans could tell a hawk from a handsaw.

this is where i realized that obama was the worst thing ever

Does this mean I have to add "Handsaw" to the Big Spiffy List of All the Bad Things Fartbama Is?


Yes, because REAL 'MERICUNS use POWER TOOLS like on Home Improvement!
 
2012-12-12 05:25:13 PM  

zappaisfrank: Pants full of macaroni!!: sprawl15: zappaisfrank: I thought Americans could tell a hawk from a handsaw.

this is where i realized that obama was the worst thing ever

Does this mean I have to add "Handsaw" to the Big Spiffy List of All the Bad Things Fartbama Is?

Yes, because REAL 'MERICUNS use POWER TOOLS like on Home Improvement!


i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-12 05:47:08 PM  

zappaisfrank: Evil High Priest: The best part? Forever. The R-ape party is incapable of seeing their own problems, acknowledging their own problems, or dealing with their own problems. That is never going to change.

Keep true to yourselves, gop. You're perfect just the way you are, and never let anyone tell you different.

Reagan's 11th Commandment "Thou shalt never speak ill of fellow Republicans". Those guys take that shiat seriously. I have a number of hard core Republican friends and they will never, EVER, under ANY circumstances EVER say ANYTHING negative about ANYONE Republican. Ever. They will say nothing rather than admit someone Republican ever did anything wrong ever. A Republican could get caught with a dead hooker and they'd say she was a Liberal plant who lured the poor Republican into whatever it was and killed herself and made it look like murder just to make Republicans look bad.

I'm not kidding...


I know. It's glorious. They'll keep farking that poor dead chicken until they are known as the New Whig party.
 
2012-12-12 06:12:41 PM  
What worked: fund-raising

What didn't: your platform
 
2012-12-12 06:19:11 PM  
Speaking almost entirely in abstractions and platitudes rather than addressing anything real was what really didn't work.

Romney wouldn't discuss anything from his past. Bain Capital, his work as a missionary, his tax returns, his tenure as governor...these things were all off limits. Everything the Republican Party did from 2000-2008 was also off the table. Romney had absolutely no foreign policy whatsoever, and his tax plan was insultingly vague, with Paul Ryan famously saying he couldn't explain the specifics to the American people because there's just no time.

In the end, all the Republicans had was heroic-sounding but empty rhetoric about "founding principles" which nobody actually gives a damn about other than the die hard Republicans who were never going to vote for Obama anyways. The rise of conservative media following Obama's first election has made a lot of right wing hucksters rich but it's completely removed Republican voters from mainstream society. The right wing media bubble has apparently grown so impenetrable that Romney, a supposed business genius surrounded by the best strategists in the conservative movement, couldn't forsee his landslide defeat coming even up to the election day even though the writing had been on the wall for some time.

The Republican base really didn't like Romney at first, but since all of these guys hang out in the same alternate derp reality together, eventually they grew to love him. Romney spent most of the campaign fighting to win the hearts of his cohorts within the bubble, which is why many of them still haven't turned on him and are instead blaming ACORN, voter fraud, etc. And there's no way they can pop that bubble and join reality again because it's a freaking gold mine for anyone cynical enough to get into the game.
 
2012-12-12 06:55:18 PM  

CorporatePerson: couldn't forsee his landslide defeat coming even up to the election day even though the writing had been on the wall for some time.


Some of them still don't see it. And goddamit, they shouldn't have to! This is 'Murca, and they have just as much right to their reality as I do to mine.
 
2012-12-12 07:43:41 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: What the Republicans need to start grappling with is that no strategy was going to make a candidate selected from this group:

[www.csmonitor.com image 600x400]

Running on this platform, the most attractive option for over 50% of American voters.

They have won the popular vote in one of the last six Presidential elections. They have deep structural problems.


They all need better tailors, too.
 
2012-12-12 07:45:44 PM  

Parthenogenetic: Fart_Machine: But they nailed that old white wealthy Christian male demographic down cold.

Dr Dreidel: The GOP won the demographics that "mattered", right? They won the older crowd, the richer crowd, the whiter crowd, and the manlier crowd. They didn't win among "takers", and didn't want to. They didn't win among nonwhite religious conservatives, and didn't try to. They didn't win among the median-wage crowd, and didn't think they needed to.

What's so wrong about that? Haven't you heard of the aphorism "What's good for GM is good for America?"

Well, what's good the for the Republican base is what's good for America, because the Republican base IS America. Real America. The America that beat the British Empire, won two World Wars, and won the Cold War.

The American Left caused America to lose the Vietnam War, would have surrendered to the Communists, and now wants to surrender to the Islamofascists.

Don't be fooled by liberal propaganda. Take the "rape baby" non-controversy. Instead of screaming about a women's non-existent right to abortion on demand, why aren't we doing more to prevent rape babies in the first place? If abstinence education were taught to every schoolkid, then more sluts would have the moral fiber to Just Say No To Rape - voila, problem solved. But of course that would undermine the trillion dollar abortion industry, who are the main contributors to the feminazis behind the liberal family-destroying agenda.

I do concede that maybe the GOP could be doing a better job of packaging our message. Instead of stating "knocked-up sluts need to keep their rape babies - the power of Christ compels you", maybe we should be saying "We're sorry about the bad choices you've made that led to this. But look on the bright side - Jesus has given you an unconsensual, unanticipated gift of human life." I mean, you don't technically consent to a surprise birthday party, do you? That would spoil the surprise. But even though you didn't approve of it or ex ...


Not sure if serious.
 
2012-12-13 01:15:51 AM  

Weaver95: what didn't work? ye gods, I'd be here all day long...everything from zero ground game to some wacky ideas about how to motivate the troops. Then there was Romney's contempt of most voters, his background, his failure to release his tax records, his time at Bain capital...that list goes on and on as well. But the real problem was the GOP's ideology. regular voters aren't as open to the idea of a theocratic government in this country. sure, they might believe in god (in some form) but they don't want to write laws based on religious belief, nor do people trust that religious based laws are any sort of basis for how to organize a society. nobody wants to live in a theocracy, and that's a big factor in voters rejecting the Republicans.

As an aside, a lot of Republicans spent too much time in the echo chamber. see, in that place you can say all kinds of pro-rape comments and nobody so much as blinks an eye. out in the real world tho, if you tell women that rape babies are a gift and that they should be happy to have one....well, they're not going to think very highly of you after that. Don't believe your own press releases and learn to look outside the echo chamber. yes, it's cold out here and sure, there are people who don't believe in the same things the GOP does...but if you want to stay in office, you are going to have to occasionally made deals with those people and learn to coexist with them AND their strange, non-GOP ideas.

which brings me to my last point: the Republican party MUST stop seeing 'compromise' as weakness. no, you will not get everything you want. sometimes you'll only get 50% of what you want...but that's ok, because that's how democracy works. you get a little of what you want, the other guy gets some of what he wants...and life goes on. it's how you build a functional government. so learn to make deals (actual deals, not 'close the doors and lock everyone out so we can screw over everyone we don't like in lame duck session' kinda deals) and play nice with the other kids on the playground. also - stop taking ideological positions that refuse to compromise. you aren't Rorschach, this isn't a movie and you guys aren't heroes. stop believing that yer all John Galt.


I talked to someone today whose father was a solid Republican voter for 4 decades who threw in the towel in 08 and is now registered Dem. Her Dad apparently is a fiscal conservative but also a scientist who couldn't stand the GOP "la la can't hear you" (at best ) on climate change and science in general.

And from what I've read that was a major factor along with education cuts / belittling that lost them support in the Asian American community too - even those who tend to be generally conservative.
 
2012-12-13 08:47:29 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: They have won the popular vote in one of the last six Presidential elections. They have deep structural problems.


And the biggest one is that the idiots they cultivated for the last forty years now run the party.

The Republican plan was simple: cut education so you get people who go on emotion, then appeal to their most base instincts. It worked for a while, but then those same people found ways to get into the party (diploma mills, et cetera). Now the party is teaming with these anti-intellectual idiots who don't see the trick but mistake it for the reality. On top of that, you have the children of rich people who think they were somehow chosen and wrap religion to push this monarchy bullshiat. This is the Republican Party in a nutshell: delusion isn't an affliction, it's par for course. It's why the party has no choice but to die.

We can talk about the Republican Party 'finding their way' all we want, but we should all accept that the party doesn't have problems as much as seriously gaping flaws. America might need more decent political parties. But the Republican Party is the trashcan of politics. We don't need idiots like that blocking our democratic system simply because we 'have' to have a second big party. The Republicans have shown they don't even deserve respect of the position. They're all dishonest at best and delusional at worst, and the best thing America can do is simply throw these shysters out of their powerful positions and reduce them to the wilderness. How many chances have the Republican Party had at power? The first eight of this century have shown they will destroy the nation out of sheer spite, and giving them back a sliver of power in 2010 has shown they will lie and cheat in order to do it again.

We don't need a Republican Party. What we need are people who actually do their jobs. And the Republicans simply do not deserve a place at the table in America.
 
2012-12-13 09:38:38 AM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Weaver95: which brings me to my last point: the Republican party MUST stop seeing 'compromise' as weakness.


Because there's more than one definition of "compromise" and they're using the "breach/endanger" one when everyone else is using the "come to an agreement" one.
 
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