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2012-12-12 05:25:01 AM  
it's not fARKING khan....for the love of god. Gary++++farking++++mitchell......gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
2012-12-12 07:20:52 AM  
That's Uhura's hand touching the glass opposite Spock's hand, as they are a couple in this ST universe. Nothing to see here, move along, Citizen.
 
2012-12-12 09:14:44 AM  

some_beer_drinker: it's not fARKING khan....for the love of god. Gary++++farking++++mitchell......gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


So you're saying there's a chance it's Khan?
 
2012-12-12 09:15:32 AM  

MmmmBacon: That's Uhura's hand touching the glass opposite Spock's hand, as they are a couple in this ST universe. Nothing to see here, move along, Citizen.


Not sure if trolling, but those are two obviously male hands and neither of them are black.
 
2012-12-12 09:19:26 AM  

some_beer_drinker: it's not fARKING khan....for the love of god. Gary++++farking++++mitchell......gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


Or, you know, you could scroll down on the Fark page and read that they have revealed the name of his character and it's not Kahn or Gary Mitchell.
http://badassdigest.com/2012/12/10/confirmed-benedict-cumberbatch-is- p laying...-john-harrson/

Now, that too could be a ruse of course, but it's what we know for now.
 
2012-12-12 09:19:56 AM  

some_beer_drinker: it's not fARKING khan....for the love of god. Gary++++farking++++mitchell......gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


phillbarron.files.wordpress.com

What does Gary Mitchell need with a big-assed gun?
 
2012-12-12 09:20:03 AM  
At the end of the first Star Trek reboot film, they said Kirk and the Enterprise was about to embark on its 5 year mission. I bet we'll have an opening sequence on how the Enterprise came across reboot-Khan, stranded him, and then after the title shot we fast forward a few years with reboot-Khan looking for vengeance.
 
2012-12-12 09:22:27 AM  

DoomPaul: fast forward a few years with reboot-Khan looking for vengeance.


I don't want to feel his wrath!
 
2012-12-12 09:23:30 AM  

MmmmBacon: That's Uhura's hand touching the glass opposite Spock's hand, as they are a couple in this ST universe.


I'm a long time fan of Star Trek and generally really liked the last movie. The only thing I didn't care for was the idiotic speed with which Kirk became Captain.

But the Spock / Uhura thing I thought was genius. I don't know why, but it almost felt like it should always have been that way.
 
2012-12-12 09:25:50 AM  
Also:

cdn.amctheatres.com

Alice Eve is a hottie, but that smile really creeps me the fark out.
 
2012-12-12 09:27:09 AM  

Sargun: MmmmBacon: That's Uhura's hand touching the glass opposite Spock's hand, as they are a couple in this ST universe. Nothing to see here, move along, Citizen.

Not sure if trolling, but those are two obviously male hands and neither of them are black.


Given the stricken look on Kirk's face in the cut just before that, and the color of the sleeve in the shot, I'm pretty sure that it's Kirk's hand.
 
2012-12-12 09:27:43 AM  
Who has wrath? Khan. What does wrath do? It flares. What also flares? A lens. What are lenses used for? To make movies. Who makes movies? JJ Abrams. Therefore -- the movie is about Khan.

QED biatches.
 
2012-12-12 09:28:12 AM  
Although a movie about Gary Mitchell would be pretty cool, I don't think Cumberbatch is playing him. I really hate fan speculation, so I'll leave it at that.
 
2012-12-12 09:29:16 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Also:

[cdn.amctheatres.com image 620x322]

Alice Eve is a hottie, but that smile really creeps me the fark out.



is it because of this?:

cdn.amctheatres.comi.imgur.com
 
2012-12-12 09:29:47 AM  

Mad_Radhu: some_beer_drinker: it's not fARKING khan....for the love of god. Gary++++farking++++mitchell......gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[phillbarron.files.wordpress.com image 400x250]

What does Gary Mitchell need with a big-assed gun?


...

...

...

He's right. What DOES Gary Mitchell need with a big-assed gun?

*JJ Abrabms blasts me across the room*
 
2012-12-12 09:32:13 AM  
Obviously, it's Paul Atreides.
 
2012-12-12 09:32:37 AM  

FeedTheCollapse: Mad_Radhu: Also:

[cdn.amctheatres.com image 620x322]

Alice Eve is a hottie, but that smile really creeps me the fark out.


is it because of this?:


Yes! That's where I've seen that smile before. it was driving me crazy.
 
2012-12-12 09:32:40 AM  
Gary Mitchell? So despite being in an alternative timeline, and some number of years earlier, something is going to turn Mitchell from Kirk's best friend into a genocidal monster and possibly give him superhuman powers?
 
2012-12-12 09:35:15 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Alice Eve is a hottie, but that smile really creeps me the fark out.


How about getting ready to scream?

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-12 09:35:26 AM  

carrion_luggage: Who has wrath? Khan. What does wrath do? It flares. What also flares? A lens. What are lenses used for? To make movies. Who makes movies? JJ Abrams. Therefore -- the movie is about Khan.

QED biatches.


Ok, thread over. Nothing else to see here, we're done.
 
2012-12-12 09:38:08 AM  

Wellon Dowd: Mad_Radhu: Alice Eve is a hottie, but that smile really creeps me the fark out.

How about getting ready to scream?


Nah, that's a pretty nice O- face.
 
2012-12-12 09:42:40 AM  

simplicimus: Obviously, it's Paul Atreides.


And he saw it coming.
 
2012-12-12 09:43:38 AM  
I thought the blonde was supposed to be Nurse Chapel? Was hoping for Nurse Chapel.
 
2012-12-12 09:51:44 AM  
You guys have serious memory issues....

"But with shooting finally completed and Karl Urban, who plays Bones in the Star Trek movies, doing press for his role in the upcoming Dredd, some real information might have leaked out at last."

"He's awesome, he's a great addition, and I think his Gary Mitchell is going to be exemplary."
 
2012-12-12 09:55:47 AM  

justanothersumguy: You guys have serious memory issues....

"But with shooting finally completed and Karl Urban, who plays Bones in the Star Trek movies, doing press for his role in the upcoming Dredd, some real information might have leaked out at last."

"He's awesome, he's a great addition, and I think his Gary Mitchell is going to be exemplary."


Could be an elaborate plan by JJ Abrams to throw us off the scent though.

"Hey Karl, just let it slip that it's Gary. That'll throw them off the scent".
 
2012-12-12 09:57:48 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Nah, that's a pretty nice O- face.


Build up

i.imgur.com

Release

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-12 09:58:13 AM  
Anyone remember the plot device that sent Enterprise across the barrier?
 
2012-12-12 09:59:11 AM  

justanothersumguy: You guys have serious memory issues....

"But with shooting finally completed and Karl Urban, who plays Bones in the Star Trek movies, doing press for his role in the upcoming Dredd, some real information might have leaked out at last."

"He's awesome, he's a great addition, and I think his Gary Mitchell is going to be exemplary."


Link to relevant article.

The same article also states that Roberto Orci included Gary Mitchell in a list of characters who would NOT be in the movie. So the producers are going out of their way to throw up smokescreens and encourage rabid speculation.

And it appears to be working.
 
2012-12-12 10:00:10 AM  

simplicimus: Anyone remember the plot device that sent Enterprise across the barrier?


It was literally a machine called The Plot Device, invented by the Klingons to destroy the Federation.
 
2012-12-12 10:01:25 AM  

Jim from Saint Paul: justanothersumguy: You guys have serious memory issues....

"But with shooting finally completed and Karl Urban, who plays Bones in the Star Trek movies, doing press for his role in the upcoming Dredd, some real information might have leaked out at last."

"He's awesome, he's a great addition, and I think his Gary Mitchell is going to be exemplary."

Could be an elaborate plan by JJ Abrams to throw us off the scent though.

"Hey Karl, just let it slip that it's Gary. That'll throw them off the scent".


Yah, or JJ just decided to choose the whitest white guy in all of Whiteydom to play the Indian born Khan Noonien Singh,
 
2012-12-12 10:02:03 AM  
You know, I seriously wonder if Abrams has gone to the Stephen Moffat school of fan trolling. They certainly both do a good job of it.
 
2012-12-12 10:05:44 AM  

simplicimus: Anyone remember the plot device that sent Enterprise across the barrier?


Mitchell was Kirk's best friend until he was changed by the barrier. I don't see how they can make him go bad in a different time and place without it seeming really forced. More importantly, why take characters from the alternative time line to some hardcore fans happy and then change their nature? Most of the people who are going to pay to see this movie have no idea who Gary Mitchell is. Use the alternative-timeline-reboot to explore new characters and new stories.
 
2012-12-12 10:07:01 AM  
Kaaaaaahhhhhhhhhrk!
 
2012-12-12 10:11:09 AM  

Wellon Dowd: simplicimus: Anyone remember the plot device that sent Enterprise across the barrier?

Mitchell was Kirk's best friend until he was changed by the barrier. I don't see how they can make him go bad in a different time and place without it seeming really forced. More importantly, why take characters from the alternative time line to some hardcore fans happy and then change their nature? Most of the people who are going to pay to see this movie have no idea who Gary Mitchell is. Use the alternative-timeline-reboot to explore new characters and new stories.


That episode made little sense anyway. The whole crew goes through the barrier and only 2 turn into demi-gods?
 
2012-12-12 10:11:36 AM  
whatculture.com
TELL US WHO THE VILLIAN IS ABRAMS!!! DAMN YOU!!!!
 
2012-12-12 10:12:47 AM  

simplicimus: The whole crew goes through the barrier and only 2 turn into demi-gods?


I believe that both of them had some kind of prior history of psychic abilities/affinities. Abilities that played little further part in Star Trek, I think.
 
2012-12-12 10:14:17 AM  

justanothersumguy: Jim from Saint Paul: justanothersumguy: You guys have serious memory issues....

"But with shooting finally completed and Karl Urban, who plays Bones in the Star Trek movies, doing press for his role in the upcoming Dredd, some real information might have leaked out at last."

"He's awesome, he's a great addition, and I think his Gary Mitchell is going to be exemplary."

Could be an elaborate plan by JJ Abrams to throw us off the scent though.

"Hey Karl, just let it slip that it's Gary. That'll throw them off the scent".

Yah, or JJ just decided to choose the whitest white guy in all of Whiteydom to play the Indian born Khan Noonien Singh,


You think that's unpossible?
 
2012-12-12 10:15:10 AM  
Also, here's a good reason why it isn't Gary Mitchell:

The first movie had a series of comic book tie-ins released that were canonical to this timeline. One of those included Gary Mitchell. Yep, he still gained his god-like powers, and yep he was still killed. Supposedly it took place before the events of the reboot. I'm not exactly sure because I'm not that geeky to have actually got this, but I've heard about it.
 
2012-12-12 10:15:53 AM  

bluorangefyre: [whatculture.com image 575x428]
TELL US WHO THE VILLIAN IS ABRAMS!!! DAMN YOU!!!!


Blue. I'm LAUGHING at the superior intellect.
 
2012-12-12 10:16:34 AM  

Jim from Saint Paul: justanothersumguy: Jim from Saint Paul: justanothersumguy: You guys have serious memory issues....

"But with shooting finally completed and Karl Urban, who plays Bones in the Star Trek movies, doing press for his role in the upcoming Dredd, some real information might have leaked out at last."

"He's awesome, he's a great addition, and I think his Gary Mitchell is going to be exemplary."

Could be an elaborate plan by JJ Abrams to throw us off the scent though.

"Hey Karl, just let it slip that it's Gary. That'll throw them off the scent".

Yah, or JJ just decided to choose the whitest white guy in all of Whiteydom to play the Indian born Khan Noonien Singh,

You think that's unpossible?


Tell me, what nationality was Ricardo Montalban again?
 
2012-12-12 10:17:20 AM  

bluorangefyre: Tell me, what nationality was Ricardo Montalban again?


Corinthian?
 
2012-12-12 10:17:21 AM  

bluorangefyre: Jim from Saint Paul: justanothersumguy: Jim from Saint Paul: justanothersumguy: You guys have serious memory issues....

"But with shooting finally completed and Karl Urban, who plays Bones in the Star Trek movies, doing press for his role in the upcoming Dredd, some real information might have leaked out at last."

"He's awesome, he's a great addition, and I think his Gary Mitchell is going to be exemplary."

Could be an elaborate plan by JJ Abrams to throw us off the scent though.

"Hey Karl, just let it slip that it's Gary. That'll throw them off the scent".

Yah, or JJ just decided to choose the whitest white guy in all of Whiteydom to play the Indian born Khan Noonien Singh,

You think that's unpossible?

Tell me, what nationality was Ricardo Montalban again?


Corinthian?
 
2012-12-12 10:17:57 AM  
FARK YEAH!
 
2012-12-12 10:18:15 AM  

Counter_Intelligent: FARK YEAH!


*high five*
 
2012-12-12 10:18:37 AM  

bluorangefyre: Jim from Saint Paul: justanothersumguy: Jim from Saint Paul: justanothersumguy: You guys have serious memory issues....

"But with shooting finally completed and Karl Urban, who plays Bones in the Star Trek movies, doing press for his role in the upcoming Dredd, some real information might have leaked out at last."

"He's awesome, he's a great addition, and I think his Gary Mitchell is going to be exemplary."

Could be an elaborate plan by JJ Abrams to throw us off the scent though.

"Hey Karl, just let it slip that it's Gary. That'll throw them off the scent".

Yah, or JJ just decided to choose the whitest white guy in all of Whiteydom to play the Indian born Khan Noonien Singh,

You think that's unpossible?

Tell me, what nationality was Ricardo Montalban again?


Brown.
 
2012-12-12 10:19:45 AM  
As a longtime Trek fan who really did enjoy the 2009 reboot, I have to say this:

whofarkingcares.jpg

Congrats, Abrams, your playing footsie with the fans made me apathetic to the franchise again. Stop it with all this 'what a tweest' B.S. and tell us a goddamn story already.
 
2012-12-12 10:20:57 AM  

SilentStrider: You know, I seriously wonder if Abrams has gone to the Stephen Moffat school of fan trolling. They certainly both do a good job of it.


I've done far worse than kill you. I've confused you. And I wish to go on... confusing you. I shall leave you as you left me. As you left her. Marooned for all eternity at the center of a dead FARK thread. Buried in speculation...buried in speculation...
 
2012-12-12 10:21:13 AM  

bluorangefyre: Also, here's a good reason why it isn't Gary Mitchell:

The first movie had a series of comic book tie-ins released that were canonical to this timeline. One of those included Gary Mitchell. Yep, he still gained his god-like powers, and yep he was still killed. Supposedly it took place before the events of the reboot. I'm not exactly sure because I'm not that geeky to have actually got this, but I've heard about it.


Well it all depends on what they are counting as canon or not.

To use the Star Wars Expanded Universe as an example; All EU stuff is canon... till George Lucas said it wasn't. The movies trumped all.

They could easily say the same thing for the Star Trek Expanded Universe too.
 
2012-12-12 10:21:57 AM  

bluorangefyre: Tell me, what nationality was Ricardo Montalban again?


Corinthian of course!
 
2012-12-12 10:23:40 AM  

Jim from Saint Paul: bluorangefyre: Also, here's a good reason why it isn't Gary Mitchell:

The first movie had a series of comic book tie-ins released that were canonical to this timeline. One of those included Gary Mitchell. Yep, he still gained his god-like powers, and yep he was still killed. Supposedly it took place before the events of the reboot. I'm not exactly sure because I'm not that geeky to have actually got this, but I've heard about it.

Well it all depends on what they are counting as canon or not.

To use the Star Wars Expanded Universe as an example; All EU stuff is canon... till George Lucas said it wasn't. The movies trumped all.

They could easily say the same thing for the Star Trek Expanded Universe too.


Is there any history of non-television/film material being canon for Star Trek, aside from the 2009 film's comic prequel? Hell, even the animated series is barely considered canon.
 
2012-12-12 10:26:55 AM  

NeoCortex42: Jim from Saint Paul: bluorangefyre: Also, here's a good reason why it isn't Gary Mitchell:

The first movie had a series of comic book tie-ins released that were canonical to this timeline. One of those included Gary Mitchell. Yep, he still gained his god-like powers, and yep he was still killed. Supposedly it took place before the events of the reboot. I'm not exactly sure because I'm not that geeky to have actually got this, but I've heard about it.

Well it all depends on what they are counting as canon or not.

To use the Star Wars Expanded Universe as an example; All EU stuff is canon... till George Lucas said it wasn't. The movies trumped all.

They could easily say the same thing for the Star Trek Expanded Universe too.

Is there any history of non-television/film material being canon for Star Trek, aside from the 2009 film's comic prequel? Hell, even the animated series is barely considered canon.


Not that I know of.

/I enjoyed Shatner's fapathon to himself though
//"The Return" was a really neat book
 
2012-12-12 10:31:41 AM  
Remember when Star Trek ... ya know... Trekked Stars?

/good times good times
 
2012-12-12 10:36:33 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Also:

[cdn.amctheatres.com image 620x322]

Alice Eve is a hottie, but that smile really creeps me the fark out.


Her expression reminds me of Laliari in Galaxy Quest.

www.alicia-logic.com
 
2012-12-12 10:42:37 AM  

gingerjet: Remember when Star Trek ... ya know... Trekked Stars?

/good times good times


Yes. It was generally boring, got the first series cancelled, and really sunk the second series for most of the first season or so. They they started focusing on characters and a consistent arcing plot and it gained more traction. By the time you got to the DS9, it was all about the people and the longer term plot, not about trekking from one system to the next to fight the weird villain/plot device of the week. And it was at the top of its popularity.

Why go back to the failed formula? I'm not saying there isn't good material from back in the earliest days, but ST no longer functions like The Twilight Zone - self contained exploratory episodes aren't of interest, even to most classic Trek fans. They want character driven plots and a story that survives the current episode/movie.
 
2012-12-12 10:42:50 AM  

Jim from Saint Paul: bluorangefyre: Also, here's a good reason why it isn't Gary Mitchell:

The first movie had a series of comic book tie-ins released that were canonical to this timeline. One of those included Gary Mitchell. Yep, he still gained his god-like powers, and yep he was still killed. Supposedly it took place before the events of the reboot. I'm not exactly sure because I'm not that geeky to have actually got this, but I've heard about it.

Well it all depends on what they are counting as canon or not.

To use the Star Wars Expanded Universe as an example; All EU stuff is canon... till George Lucas said it wasn't. The movies trumped all.

They could easily say the same thing for the Star Trek Expanded Universe too.


None of the Trek books have ever been considered canonical. The prequel comics were the first printed media to be considered canonical AFAIK.
 
2012-12-12 10:44:12 AM  

bluorangefyre: Jim from Saint Paul: bluorangefyre: Also, here's a good reason why it isn't Gary Mitchell:

The first movie had a series of comic book tie-ins released that were canonical to this timeline. One of those included Gary Mitchell. Yep, he still gained his god-like powers, and yep he was still killed. Supposedly it took place before the events of the reboot. I'm not exactly sure because I'm not that geeky to have actually got this, but I've heard about it.

Well it all depends on what they are counting as canon or not.

To use the Star Wars Expanded Universe as an example; All EU stuff is canon... till George Lucas said it wasn't. The movies trumped all.

They could easily say the same thing for the Star Trek Expanded Universe too.

None of the Trek books have ever been considered canonical. The prequel comics were the first printed media to be considered canonical AFAIK.


Then your point is invalid because your new pioint is valid.

/divide by zero
 
2012-12-12 10:48:51 AM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: As a longtime Trek fan who really did enjoy the 2009 reboot, I have to say this:

whofarkingcares.jpg

Congrats, Abrams, your playing footsie with the fans made me apathetic to the franchise again. Stop it with all this 'what a tweest' B.S. and tell us a goddamn story already.


I'm glad I have something to disagree with in this post, otherwise I'd feel icky agreeing with Jim Tressel on anything!

I don't care who the villain is. The villain from the reboot was a nobody, a new character (who sucked, but that's just me being biatchy) with no ties to anything in the past. Maybe the new villain is similar. Maybe it's Gary Mitchell. Maybe it's Khan. Maybe it's actually Khan working for Harry Mudd. I don't farking care right now. What I want is a story that isn't designed to make you actively shut your brain off to oogle the pretty sparklies.
 
2012-12-12 10:50:39 AM  

Jim from Saint Paul: NeoCortex42: Jim from Saint Paul: bluorangefyre: Also, here's a good reason why it isn't Gary Mitchell:

The first movie had a series of comic book tie-ins released that were canonical to this timeline. One of those included Gary Mitchell. Yep, he still gained his god-like powers, and yep he was still killed. Supposedly it took place before the events of the reboot. I'm not exactly sure because I'm not that geeky to have actually got this, but I've heard about it.

Well it all depends on what they are counting as canon or not.

To use the Star Wars Expanded Universe as an example; All EU stuff is canon... till George Lucas said it wasn't. The movies trumped all.

They could easily say the same thing for the Star Trek Expanded Universe too.

Is there any history of non-television/film material being canon for Star Trek, aside from the 2009 film's comic prequel? Hell, even the animated series is barely considered canon.

Not that I know of.

/I enjoyed Shatner's fapathon to himself though
//"The Return" was a really neat book


Speaking of Shatner, I'm really surprised TekWar hasn't gotten a big budget reboot of some sort. Or even a SyFy series treatment. It's been twenty years, give it another shot.
 
2012-12-12 10:56:55 AM  

Techhell: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: As a longtime Trek fan who really did enjoy the 2009 reboot, I have to say this:

whofarkingcares.jpg

Congrats, Abrams, your playing footsie with the fans made me apathetic to the franchise again. Stop it with all this 'what a tweest' B.S. and tell us a goddamn story already.

I'm glad I have something to disagree with in this post, otherwise I'd feel icky agreeing with Jim Tressel on anything!

I don't care who the villain is. The villain from the reboot was a nobody, a new character (who sucked, but that's just me being biatchy) with no ties to anything in the past. Maybe the new villain is similar. Maybe it's Gary Mitchell. Maybe it's Khan. Maybe it's actually Khan working for Harry Mudd. I don't farking care right now. What I want is a story that isn't designed to make you actively shut your brain off to oogle the pretty sparklies.


Looks like someone pissed on your red matter this morning!!!

Loitered around your black hole for too long?
 
2012-12-12 10:58:52 AM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: As a longtime Trek fan who really did enjoy the 2009 reboot, I have to say this:

whofarkingcares.jpg

Congrats, Abrams, your playing footsie with the fans made me apathetic to the franchise again. Stop it with all this 'what a tweest' B.S. and tell us a goddamn story already.


Um, he's going to, when you watch the movie. Do we really need another trailer that gives away every important plot point before you see the damn thing?

/If he's going to do the "BWWWAAAAMMM" in the trailer, I'm glad he's at least not giving away the whole plot. That's something I always liked about Abrams.
 
2012-12-12 11:07:05 AM  

simplicimus: Wellon Dowd: simplicimus: Anyone remember the plot device that sent Enterprise across the barrier?

Mitchell was Kirk's best friend until he was changed by the barrier. I don't see how they can make him go bad in a different time and place without it seeming really forced. More importantly, why take characters from the alternative time line to some hardcore fans happy and then change their nature? Most of the people who are going to pay to see this movie have no idea who Gary Mitchell is. Use the alternative-timeline-reboot to explore new characters and new stories.

That episode made little sense anyway. The whole crew goes through the barrier and only 2 turn into demi-gods?


If I recall correctly, the barrier was put there to imprison a rather nasty entity by the Q Continuum, because Q screwed the f-ing pooch when he decided to toy with The Guardian (the "City on the Edge of Forever" portal thingy). When the Enterprise went through the barrier, Mitchell and the psychologist lady underwent something of psychic contamination, for lack of a better terminology, ultimately leading to their corruption, especially on Mitchell's part. This was directly due to characters' high ESP quotient, which the vast majority of humans did not share, and was largely a genetic quirk.

All in all, I'll give Abrams the benefit of the doubt on this one. It's looking like he's updated and expanded upon the original content of the source material in potentially interesting ways.
 
2012-12-12 11:08:48 AM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: As a longtime Trek fan who really did enjoy the 2009 reboot, I have to say this:

whofarkingcares.jpg

Congrats, Abrams, your playing footsie with the fans made me apathetic to the franchise again. Stop it with all this 'what a tweest' B.S. and tell us a goddamn story already.


The trailer just came out like a week ago. Playing footsie with the fans =/= not revealing the entire plot at the same moment you unveil the movie, and the story will be told in the movie itself. The Marvel movies are coy about who the villains are and all that, do you instantly fly into a rage with all of those too? It really only takes you 4 days without a concrete "here is the entire cast list and plot points" leak to get apathetic? Sound like quite the fan.

/Sorry dudes, I tried watching first 2 seasons of TOS and TNG both and just couldnt do it
//The last movie was alright though
 
2012-12-12 11:29:31 AM  

Wellon Dowd: Use the alternative-timeline-reboot to explore new characters and new stories.

 
2012-12-12 11:36:46 AM  

Electromax: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: As a longtime Trek fan who really did enjoy the 2009 reboot, I have to say this:

whofarkingcares.jpg

Congrats, Abrams, your playing footsie with the fans made me apathetic to the franchise again. Stop it with all this 'what a tweest' B.S. and tell us a goddamn story already.

The trailer just came out like a week ago. Playing footsie with the fans =/= not revealing the entire plot at the same moment you unveil the movie, and the story will be told in the movie itself. The Marvel movies are coy about who the villains are and all that, do you instantly fly into a rage with all of those too? It really only takes you 4 days without a concrete "here is the entire cast list and plot points" leak to get apathetic? Sound like quite the fan.

/Sorry dudes, I tried watching first 2 seasons of TOS and TNG both and just couldnt do it
//The last movie was alright though


TOS Season 1 and TNG seasons 1 and 2 are well known as the poorest in the series. FYI.

/try DS9
 
2012-12-12 11:36:46 AM  
Cumberbatch is probably playing Khan's right hand man, the guy he's yelling at in the picture up thread. I'll bet that it's not a redo of Wrath of Khan, just a redo of Space Seed. Perhaps Khan's ship is discovered and they're taken back to earth in custody of Starfleet, and Cumberbatch manages to escape somehow. Then he returns to rescue his "family", aka Khan and company. With Peter Weller probably playing Khan.
 
2012-12-12 11:41:24 AM  

NeoCortex42: Ol' Derpy Bastard: If I recall correctly, the barrier was put there to imprison a rather nasty entity by the Q Continuum, because Q screwed the f-ing pooch when he decided to toy with The Guardian (the "City on the Edge of Forever" portal thingy).

That was a fun book series:
[ecimages.kobobooks.com image 220x360]


I've never read any of the books, because reading is for pussies and shiat. But I remember that there were a few episodes in TNG series devoted to the whole back story of Q, the entity named Zero and its buddies, and how the Continuum were forced to step in to try to unfark everything done in the past. It came to the point that the Q were nearly destroyed, because lulz.
 
2012-12-12 11:44:40 AM  

born_yesterday: Techhell: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: As a longtime Trek fan who really did enjoy the 2009 reboot, I have to say this:

whofarkingcares.jpg

Congrats, Abrams, your playing footsie with the fans made me apathetic to the franchise again. Stop it with all this 'what a tweest' B.S. and tell us a goddamn story already.

I'm glad I have something to disagree with in this post, otherwise I'd feel icky agreeing with Jim Tressel on anything!

I don't care who the villain is. The villain from the reboot was a nobody, a new character (who sucked, but that's just me being biatchy) with no ties to anything in the past. Maybe the new villain is similar. Maybe it's Gary Mitchell. Maybe it's Khan. Maybe it's actually Khan working for Harry Mudd. I don't farking care right now. What I want is a story that isn't designed to make you actively shut your brain off to oogle the pretty sparklies.

Looks like someone pissed on your red matter this morning!!!

Loitered around your black hole for too long?


I don't have a black hole anymore, thanks to Star Trek: Lensflare.
 
2012-12-12 11:46:13 AM  

Jim from Saint Paul: TOS Season 1 and TNG seasons 1 and 2 are well known as the poorest in the series. FYI.

/try DS9


If you think Season 1 of TOS is bad, better not try to watch Season 3.
/Brain. Brain. What is brain?


Ol' Derpy Bastard: I've never read any of the books, because reading is for pussies and shiat. But I remember that there were a few episodes in TNG series devoted to the whole back story of Q, the entity named Zero and its buddies, and how the Continuum were forced to step in to try to unfark everything done in the past. It came to the point that the Q were nearly destroyed, because lulz.


TNG episodes? I don't think so, unless I'm forgetting something. The deepest look we got at the Continuum was when Corbin Bernson showed up or when that young Q girl discovered her powers.

Voyager had a whole story arc about the Continuum, including the civil war, but I still don't remember Zero and Q's fark-ups ever being mentioned. Then again, I've tried to forget a lot of what was shown in Voyager.
 
2012-12-12 11:47:19 AM  

KPatrickGlover: Cumberbatch is probably playing Khan's right hand man, the guy he's yelling at in the picture up thread. I'll bet that it's not a redo of Wrath of Khan, just a redo of Space Seed. Perhaps Khan's ship is discovered and they're taken back to earth in custody of Starfleet, and Cumberbatch manages to escape somehow. Then he returns to rescue his "family", aka Khan and company. With Peter Weller probably playing Khan.



Man you had me till that.
 
2012-12-12 11:48:29 AM  

Cybernetic: justanothersumguy: You guys have serious memory issues....

"But with shooting finally completed and Karl Urban, who plays Bones in the Star Trek movies, doing press for his role in the upcoming Dredd, some real information might have leaked out at last."

"He's awesome, he's a great addition, and I think his Gary Mitchell is going to be exemplary."

Link to relevant article.

The same article also states that Roberto Orci included Gary Mitchell in a list of characters who would NOT be in the movie. So the producers are going out of their way to throw up smokescreens and encourage rabid speculation.

And it appears to be working.


Sooooooo, it's Khan??
 
2012-12-12 11:49:09 AM  
It's not Khan. The villian in this is a former member of Starfleet with enhanced abilities, but Khan was never in Starfleet.

It's not Gary Mitchell. Mitchell had psychokinetic powers, not super strength. Mitchell was also killed off in the canon comic book in the second issue.

Garth of Izar is likely, or a new character.
 
2012-12-12 11:50:31 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Also:

[cdn.amctheatres.com image 620x322]

Alice Eve is a hottie, but that smile really creeps me the fark out.


Reminds me of that doll in Night Gallery.

www.jeffs60s.com
 
2012-12-12 11:50:34 AM  

Jim from Saint Paul: KPatrickGlover: Cumberbatch is probably playing Khan's right hand man, the guy he's yelling at in the picture up thread. I'll bet that it's not a redo of Wrath of Khan, just a redo of Space Seed. Perhaps Khan's ship is discovered and they're taken back to earth in custody of Starfleet, and Cumberbatch manages to escape somehow. Then he returns to rescue his "family", aka Khan and company. With Peter Weller probably playing Khan.


Man you had me till that.


Are you kidding? That made me excited for any chance of it to be true. We had 'Screamers' on last night and that piece of shiat PKD flick is way more fun than it has any right to be, and it's 80% because of Weller.

/the other 20% are the bits in the movie that actually feel PKD inspired.
 
2012-12-12 11:54:35 AM  

Counter_Intelligent: simplicimus: The whole crew goes through the barrier and only 2 turn into demi-gods?

I believe that both of them had some kind of prior history of psychic abilities/affinities. Abilities that played little further part in Star Trek, I think.


They missed one then:

www.scifi.dk
 
2012-12-12 11:58:57 AM  

Critch: It's not Khan. The villian in this is a former member of Starfleet with enhanced abilities, but Khan was never in Starfleet.

It's not Gary Mitchell. Mitchell had psychokinetic powers, not super strength. Mitchell was also killed off in the canon comic book in the second issue.

Garth of Izar is likely, or a new character.


Doesn't have to be a former member of Starfleet, just because he's wearing a Starfleet uniform. Look at Space Seed. Khan was wearing a Starfleet uniform after he was brought aboard.
 
2012-12-12 12:00:13 PM  
I avoid spoilers like the plague, and it's gotten to the point I don't even watch movie trailers anymore.
 
2012-12-12 12:01:20 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: KPatrickGlover: Cumberbatch is probably playing Khan's right hand man, the guy he's yelling at in the picture up thread. I'll bet that it's not a redo of Wrath of Khan, just a redo of Space Seed. Perhaps Khan's ship is discovered and they're taken back to earth in custody of Starfleet, and Cumberbatch manages to escape somehow. Then he returns to rescue his "family", aka Khan and company. With Peter Weller probably playing Khan.


Man you had me till that.


Don't like Weller?

Actually, at this point, I'm almost ready to put money on it. It's the only theory I can think up that doesn't contradict things we know or have seen about the film.
 
2012-12-12 12:04:27 PM  

NeoCortex42: TNG episodes? I don't think so, unless I'm forgetting something. The deepest look we got at the Continuum was when Corbin Bernson showed up or when that young Q girl discovered her powers.

Voyager had a whole story arc about the Continuum, including the civil war, but I still don't remember Zero and Q's fark-ups ever being mentioned. Then again, I've tried to forget a lot of what was shown in Voyager.


That.

I am 6 episodes into Season 7 of Voygaer (having watched all of TOS, TNG and DS9 before it). Nothing of Q's past is mentioned. He tries to make the babbys with Janeway and eventually tries to get Janeway to watch his toddler later in this last season.

Nothing about his past though.
 
2012-12-12 12:04:29 PM  

dennerman: some_beer_drinker: it's not fARKING khan....for the love of god. Gary++++farking++++mitchell......gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Or, you know, you could scroll down on the Fark page and read that they have revealed the name of his character and it's not Kahn or Gary Mitchell.
http://badassdigest.com/2012/12/10/confirmed-benedict-cumberbatch-is- p laying...-john-harrson/

Now, that too could be a ruse of course, but it's what we know for now.


Since JJ said the main villain was "from cannon"...then John Harrison isn't his "real" name. Now, that may be a lie too, but stop with the "It's a new person, see?" argument.

Oh, and nobody start with the "John Harrison WAS in the original series, a bunch of times" crap - that's an old joke, and lame.
 
2012-12-12 12:07:16 PM  

NeoCortex42: Jim from Saint Paul: TOS Season 1 and TNG seasons 1 and 2 are well known as the poorest in the series. FYI.

/try DS9

If you think Season 1 of TOS is bad, better not try to watch Season 3.
/Brain. Brain. What is brain?


Ol' Derpy Bastard: I've never read any of the books, because reading is for pussies and shiat. But I remember that there were a few episodes in TNG series devoted to the whole back story of Q, the entity named Zero and its buddies, and how the Continuum were forced to step in to try to unfark everything done in the past. It came to the point that the Q were nearly destroyed, because lulz.

TNG episodes? I don't think so, unless I'm forgetting something. The deepest look we got at the Continuum was when Corbin Bernson showed up or when that young Q girl discovered her powers.

Voyager had a whole story arc about the Continuum, including the civil war, but I still don't remember Zero and Q's fark-ups ever being mentioned. Then again, I've tried to forget a lot of what was shown in Voyager.


Yeah, living up to me name, and you're right I'm mixing up Voyager with extra-cannon info that a very good friend mine and Trek nerd has yakked about in the past. All the various ST series are muddled in my mind anymore, especially since I have not watched any of it in years, with the exception of the reboot. Disregard.
 
2012-12-12 12:08:19 PM  
Its Mister Leslie, who's finally had enough of Kirk treating him like an extra.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-12 12:10:12 PM  

bluorangefyre: Also, here's a good reason why it isn't Gary Mitchell:

The first movie had a series of comic book tie-ins released that were canonical to this timeline. One of those included Gary Mitchell. Yep, he still gained his god-like powers, and yep he was still killed. Supposedly it took place before the events of the reboot. I'm not exactly sure because I'm not that geeky to have actually got this, but I've heard about it.


Comic book characters come back all the time. It seems to me that if everyone thinks he's dead, then him coming back for some kind of vengeance against the people who nearly got him killed/abandoned him is perfect movie villain logic.

/Haven't read the comics
 
2012-12-12 12:15:13 PM  

KPatrickGlover: Doesn't have to be a former member of Starfleet, just because he's wearing a Starfleet uniform. Look at Space Seed. Khan was wearing a Starfleet uniform after he was brought aboard.


He was? I remember him just wearing casual attire.
 
2012-12-12 12:17:15 PM  

KPatrickGlover: Cumberbatch is probably playing Khan's right hand man, the guy he's yelling at in the picture up thread. I'll bet that it's not a redo of Wrath of Khan, just a redo of Space Seed. Perhaps Khan's ship is discovered and they're taken back to earth in custody of Starfleet, and Cumberbatch manages to escape somehow. Then he returns to rescue his "family", aka Khan and company. With Peter Weller probably playing Khan.


Nah, I think they are just bringing back John Frederick Paxton.
 
2012-12-12 12:28:30 PM  

Son of Thunder: NeoCortex42: That was a fun book series:

[ecimages.kobobooks.com image 220x360]

"Q, take your hand off my butt."


Thinking about the books a bit more, I have a great idea for a new television series: An animated anthology series based on the novels. One week is an episode based at Starfleet Academy. The next week adapts Imzadi. Then we get some post-finale DS9 story, or Section 31 tale. They can just cherry-pick the best books in each series and alternate from one series to another over the course of a season or two. Hell, they could probably still convince Shatner and Takei to reprise their roles for a few episodes doing voice work.
 
2012-12-12 12:28:36 PM  
JJ Abrams after season 2 of Lost: "no, they're not in purgatory"
producers after Lost's final season: "they were in purgatory"

JJ Abrams when Star Trek Into Darkness started filming: "no, the bad guy isn't Khan" 
...
 
2012-12-12 12:29:08 PM  

NeoCortex42: KPatrickGlover: Doesn't have to be a former member of Starfleet, just because he's wearing a Starfleet uniform. Look at Space Seed. Khan was wearing a Starfleet uniform after he was brought aboard.

He was? I remember him just wearing casual attire.


cdn.hometheaterforum.com
 
2012-12-12 12:31:56 PM  

Son of Thunder: NeoCortex42: That was a fun book series:

[ecimages.kobobooks.com image 220x360]

"Q, take your hand off my butt."


"That's not my hand space sailor".
 
2012-12-12 12:35:20 PM  

some_beer_drinker: it's not fARKING khan....for the love of god. Gary++++farking++++mitchell......gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


BEN FINNEY
 
2012-12-12 12:37:42 PM  
My guess, based on the accent is that he's playing Picard.
 
2012-12-12 12:38:41 PM  

simplicimus: Wellon Dowd: simplicimus: The whole crew goes through the barrier and only 2 turn into demi-gods?


Those two were 'ESPers', they already had super-basic abilities that just got magnified.
 
2012-12-12 12:43:12 PM  

KPatrickGlover: Cumberbatch is probably playing Khan's right hand man, the guy he's yelling at in the picture up thread. I'll bet that it's not a redo of Wrath of Khan, just a redo of Space Seed. Perhaps Khan's ship is discovered and they're taken back to earth in custody of Starfleet, and Cumberbatch manages to escape somehow. Then he returns to rescue his "family", aka Khan and company. With Peter Weller probably playing Khan.


Joachim.

Maybe the makeup that gives Weller's part away will be his chest?
 
2012-12-12 12:43:35 PM  

KPatrickGlover: NeoCortex42: KPatrickGlover: Doesn't have to be a former member of Starfleet, just because he's wearing a Starfleet uniform. Look at Space Seed. Khan was wearing a Starfleet uniform after he was brought aboard.

He was? I remember him just wearing casual attire.

[cdn.hometheaterforum.com image 700x530]


I love it when he wakes up on the Enterprise for the first time, and holds a scalpel to McCoy's throat.

McCoy tells him to hold it two inches higher to be sure to hit the carotid artery.

/Or something like that
//Don't fark with Bones in his own Medlab.
 
2012-12-12 12:48:14 PM  

Arn_Dee: KPatrickGlover: Cumberbatch is probably playing Khan's right hand man, the guy he's yelling at in the picture up thread. I'll bet that it's not a redo of Wrath of Khan, just a redo of Space Seed. Perhaps Khan's ship is discovered and they're taken back to earth in custody of Starfleet, and Cumberbatch manages to escape somehow. Then he returns to rescue his "family", aka Khan and company. With Peter Weller probably playing Khan.

Joachim.

Maybe the makeup that gives Weller's part away will be his chest?


saharsreviews.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-12 12:50:45 PM  

KPatrickGlover: NeoCortex42: KPatrickGlover: Doesn't have to be a former member of Starfleet, just because he's wearing a Starfleet uniform. Look at Space Seed. Khan was wearing a Starfleet uniform after he was brought aboard.

He was? I remember him just wearing casual attire.

[cdn.hometheaterforum.com image 700x530]


Well, there ya go. I guess it's been too long since I've watched that episode. Time to rewatch it.

born_yesterday: I love it when he wakes up on the Enterprise for the first time, and holds a scalpel to McCoy's throat.

McCoy tells him to hold it two inches higher to be sure to hit the carotid artery.

/Or something like that
//Don't fark with Bones in his own Medlab.


And yes, that is one of McCoy's most badass moments in all of Trek.
 
2012-12-12 01:02:09 PM  

KPatrickGlover: Cumberbatch is probably playing Khan's right hand man, the guy he's yelling at in the picture up thread. I'll bet that it's not a redo of Wrath of Khan, just a redo of Space Seed. Perhaps Khan's ship is discovered and they're taken back to earth in custody of Starfleet, and Cumberbatch manages to escape somehow. Then he returns to rescue his "family", aka Khan and company. With Peter Weller probably playing Khan.


"Dead or alive you are coming with me. Dead or aliiiiiiiiive. Dead or aliiiiiiive...."
 
2012-12-12 01:03:51 PM  

NeoCortex42: KPatrickGlover: NeoCortex42: KPatrickGlover: Doesn't have to be a former member of Starfleet, just because he's wearing a Starfleet uniform. Look at Space Seed. Khan was wearing a Starfleet uniform after he was brought aboard.

He was? I remember him just wearing casual attire.

[cdn.hometheaterforum.com image 700x530]

Well, there ya go. I guess it's been too long since I've watched that episode. Time to rewatch it.

born_yesterday: I love it when he wakes up on the Enterprise for the first time, and holds a scalpel to McCoy's throat.

McCoy tells him to hold it two inches higher to be sure to hit the carotid artery.

/Or something like that
//Don't fark with Bones in his own Medlab.

And yes, that is one of McCoy's most badass moments in all of Trek.


Karl Urban is going to totally crush that scene when Khan shows up in the movie.
 
2012-12-12 01:18:01 PM  

Electromax: /Sorry dudes, I tried watching first 2 seasons of TOS and TNG both and just couldnt do it
//The last movie was alright though


Even the most diehard trekkie will agree that the first two seasons of TNG are terrible with the exception of "Q Who" and "Measure of a Man." Season 3 is where it really begins.

I suppose that unless you lived through the "Best of Both Worlds" cliffhanger you'll never know just how huge it was at the time. At the time -- 1990 -- there was nothing on TV anywhere near as epic.

As a series as a whole, DS9 was the best. Though you can save yourself time and start it at the final episode of season 1.
 
2012-12-12 01:23:34 PM  

thornhill: Even the most diehard trekkie will agree that the first two seasons of TNG are terrible with the exception of "Q Who" and "Measure of a Man." Season 3 is where it really begins.


I'd also add in Conspiracy and Elementary, Dear Data.

Every time I rewatch Conspiracy, I'm still surprised at the effects of the ending.
 
2012-12-12 01:25:22 PM  

KPatrickGlover: Critch: It's not Khan. The villian in this is a former member of Starfleet with enhanced abilities, but Khan was never in Starfleet.

It's not Gary Mitchell. Mitchell had psychokinetic powers, not super strength. Mitchell was also killed off in the canon comic book in the second issue.

Garth of Izar is likely, or a new character.

Doesn't have to be a former member of Starfleet, just because he's wearing a Starfleet uniform. Look at Space Seed. Khan was wearing a Starfleet uniform after he was brought aboard.


Oooooo, I hadn't thunked of that. I hope it's Khan as the villain. Just wishful thinking on my part.

/What if Abrams just shot a trailer, loosed it upon fertile fanboy imagination, and is reading all our posts till one of us comes up with an idea that he just loves, and that's how the villain will be decided?
 
2012-12-12 01:31:11 PM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: KPatrickGlover: Critch: It's not Khan. The villian in this is a former member of Starfleet with enhanced abilities, but Khan was never in Starfleet.

It's not Gary Mitchell. Mitchell had psychokinetic powers, not super strength. Mitchell was also killed off in the canon comic book in the second issue.

Garth of Izar is likely, or a new character.

Doesn't have to be a former member of Starfleet, just because he's wearing a Starfleet uniform. Look at Space Seed. Khan was wearing a Starfleet uniform after he was brought aboard.

Oooooo, I hadn't thunked of that. I hope it's Khan as the villain. Just wishful thinking on my part.

/What if Abrams just shot a trailer, loosed it upon fertile fanboy imagination, and is reading all our posts till one of us comes up with an idea that he just loves, and that's how the villain will be decided?


chrispetersen25.files.wordpress.com
I laughed at first, but then I realized that you could actually be right. 

/Newsletter?
 
2012-12-12 01:34:47 PM  
The latest.... Cumberbatch on the new Star Trek Villian...

Speaking with MTV News, Cumberbatch pulled the curtain back on his "Trek" role, but not at the expense of revealing the character's true purpose and motivation. "He's a terrorist; he operates as a terrorist," said the British actor. "He has extraordinary physical powers, but also mental powers. He can sow an idea, which is as powerful as gunshots or close-hand combat, which he's masterful in. He tears into the fabric of both the world and the Enterprise family, and he leaves behind him a trail of devastation. It's quite exciting to watch."

BOOOM.... Not KHAN.

It is Gerry Mitchell 2.0.
 
2012-12-12 01:35:34 PM  
2 things:

1. Peter Weller is too old for me to like him as kahn. I think he's got the chops and all. I don't know how I am supposed to look at him and think him a physical specimin capable of handing Kirk his ass. If they went that route I wouldn;t hate it till i saw it. I just know, off the cuff, that "notsureifwant.jpeg".

2.

HulkHands: JJ Abrams after season 2 of Lost: "no, they're not in purgatory"
producers after Lost's final season: "they were in purgatory"

JJ Abrams when Star Trek Into Darkness started filming: "no, the bad guy isn't Khan"
...

****LOST SPOILERS****

Ok. For the 100th god damned time. They were NOT IN PURGATORY ON THE ISLAND. HOLY MOLY. Seriously, all you have to do to troll me is post something like that. For some reason it really gets my geek dander up. Nothing personal dude, i swear.

What happened on the island HAPPENED. PERIOD. Everything you saw that was not on the Island was "the afterlife". It was way past when any of them were alive. You want to call that purgatory? fine. It still happened AFTER the Island and AFTER Hurley was caretaker for the Island (lord only knows how long that actually was)
 
2012-12-12 01:55:57 PM  
Cumberbatch is going to play Lore. Maybe time-travelled or invented super early. He's a canon character, but toally unexpected. He is there to save his android family after Data's death in Nemesis.
 
2012-12-12 02:19:02 PM  

justanothersumguy: "He has extraordinary physical powers, but also mental powers. He can sow an idea, which is as powerful as gunshots or close-hand combat, which he's masterful in.


Ha, sounds more like a dark Sybok.

Come on, it's Khan, it's freaking obvious.

\I keeed, I keeed
 
2012-12-12 02:29:14 PM  

justanothersumguy: The latest.... Cumberbatch on the new Star Trek Villian...

Speaking with MTV News, Cumberbatch pulled the curtain back on his "Trek" role, but not at the expense of revealing the character's true purpose and motivation. "He's a terrorist; he operates as a terrorist," said the British actor. "He has extraordinary physical powers, but also mental powers. He can sow an idea, which is as powerful as gunshots or close-hand combat, which he's masterful in. He tears into the fabric of both the world and the Enterprise family, and he leaves behind him a trail of devastation. It's quite exciting to watch."

BOOOM.... Not KHAN.

It is Gerry Mitchell 2.0.


Terrorists? Really? I wonder if we can get Stallone to do one more Rocky film, where he fights a terrorist, so we can finally stop using them for "generic enemy".
 
2012-12-12 02:47:54 PM  

skodabunny:
Ha, sounds more like a dark Sybok.

\


BE GONE FOUL ONE. AND MAY YOU NEVER SPEAK AGAIN.

 
2012-12-12 02:51:48 PM  
Isn't it obvious?

img.trekmovie.com
 
2012-12-12 02:53:19 PM  

justanothersumguy: The latest.... Cumberbatch on the new Star Trek Villian...

Speaking with MTV News, Cumberbatch pulled the curtain back on his "Trek" role, but not at the expense of revealing the character's true purpose and motivation. "He's a terrorist; he operates as a terrorist," said the British actor. "He has extraordinary physical powers, but also mental powers. He can sow an idea, which is as powerful as gunshots or close-hand combat, which he's masterful in. He tears into the fabric of both the world and the Enterprise family, and he leaves behind him a trail of devastation. It's quite exciting to watch."

BOOOM.... Not KHAN.

It is Gerry Mitchell 2.0.


The subsequent sentence sounds a lot more like Khan (who managed to lure an Enterprise crewmember into his group) than it does Gary Mitchell. I don't think he's talking about telekinesis or anything like that.

/not saying it's Khan
//just saying that you're not as smart as you think you are
 
2012-12-12 02:58:07 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: BE GONE FOUL ONE. AND MAY YOU NEVER SPEAK AGAIN.


startrekreview.files.wordpress.com
Your pain runs deep. Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.

 
2012-12-12 03:18:19 PM  

skodabunny: Jim from Saint Paul: BE GONE FOUL ONE. AND MAY YOU NEVER SPEAK AGAIN.

[startrekreview.files.wordpress.com image 434x345]
Your pain runs deep. Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.


I don't WANT my pain taken away. I NEED my pain!

AGAIN, What does Gary Mitchell need with a big ass gun?
 
2012-12-12 03:19:59 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: skodabunny: Jim from Saint Paul: BE GONE FOUL ONE. AND MAY YOU NEVER SPEAK AGAIN.

[startrekreview.files.wordpress.com image 434x345]
Your pain runs deep. Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing. 

I don't WANT my pain taken away. I NEED my pain!

AGAIN, What does Gary Mitchell need with a big ass gun?


Also, I am igining that picture with lens flare and chuckling.
 
2012-12-12 03:32:39 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Isn't it obvious?

[img.trekmovie.com image 396x300]


Is Space Lincoln going to comment on Uhura being a charming Negress? I wonder how that scene would go over nowadays.
 
2012-12-12 03:37:56 PM  
Ummm Is the Star Wars thread above beating us out in the comment section? I have never been so ashamed to be a farker.....
 
2012-12-12 03:38:17 PM  
You're all wrong. Benedict Cumberbatch is Harry Mudd. He's back and he's looking for more women.
 
2012-12-12 03:59:35 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: What happened on the island HAPPENED. PERIOD.


No it didn't. FYI, Stories suck when they lack any semblance of flow from start to finish. And also lack a finish. The conflict and the plot were guessing games.

Lost wasn't a show - it was a room full of hacks tossing hooks into the sea without an attached line.
"heres an idea!, should i run with it?"
"Hell no - pop it into the next episode at the 25 minute mark and then we will never mention it again. IT WILL BE MYSTERYIOUSYISH!!!"


------------------------------------------------------

I suspect the trek is about space seed. Exept it wasn't the enterprise that intercepted it. And Khan didn't survive but one of his contemporaries did. And the guy takes control of a federation ship and returns to earth to kick ass and take names. The enterprise returns to find a megalomaniac destroying home. Enter kirk stage right, breaking faces at a blinding pace...
 
2012-12-12 04:24:26 PM  
FFS, its pretty obvious hes playing this guy.

www.roddenberry.com
 
2012-12-12 04:53:11 PM  

NeoCortex42: Counter_Intelligent: FARK YEAH!

*high five*


Good stuff right there. Very quick on that.
 
2012-12-12 04:54:58 PM  

brandent: NeoCortex42: Counter_Intelligent: FARK YEAH!

*high five*

Good stuff right there. Very quick on that.


t0.gstatic.com
It was the logical response to such an inquiry.
 
2012-12-12 05:04:48 PM  

Cyno01: FFS, its pretty obvious hes playing this guy.

[www.roddenberry.com image 292x224]


Sherlock playing Moriarty? Who do you think is driving this, M. Night Shyamalan? 

What a
chicagoagentmagazine.com
!!!

/hot
 
2012-12-12 05:17:57 PM  
Paramount just relieved Alice Eve is playing Carol Marcus. Shakes an Angry Fist!!!!
 
2012-12-12 05:27:26 PM  
Alice Eve = Carol Marcus.
 
2012-12-12 05:53:20 PM  

NeoCortex42: thornhill: Even the most diehard trekkie will agree that the first two seasons of TNG are terrible with the exception of "Q Who" and "Measure of a Man." Season 3 is where it really begins.

I'd also add in Conspiracy and Elementary, Dear Data.

Every time I rewatch Conspiracy, I'm still surprised at the effects of the ending.


I will always be pissed they never followed up on that... especially with the transmission sent out at the end. Pretty amazing that they were able to get away with this in syndication. At the time it aired you would never have been able to air this on one of the major networks...

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-12 06:09:15 PM  

justanothersumguy: Paramount just relieved Alice Eve is playing Carol Marcus. Shakes an Angry Fist!!!!


I just noticed that on IMDB.

i50.tinypic.com

charlieweingroff.com
 
2012-12-12 06:11:07 PM  

Tsar_Bomba1: I will always be pissed they never followed up on that... especially with the transmission sent out at the end. Pretty amazing that they were able to get away with this in syndication. At the time it aired you would never have been able to air this on one of the major networks...


They kinda-sorta did. The Borg ended up being the large threat instead of the bug species from Conspiracy.

However, the Conspiracy parasites did get a story followup in some of the DS9 novels and ended up being some rebel faction of Trills, or something.
 
2012-12-12 06:26:17 PM  
Actually Gary is just a pawn of the real villain. A certain visitor from the future.

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2012-12-12 06:27:57 PM  

thornhill: As a series as a whole, DS9 was the best. Though you can save yourself time and start it at the final episode of season 1.


My mom tore through all the TNG and Voyager stuff but couldn't get into DS9. I suggested skipping forward to the middle of season 2 (218 or 219, I think). Mainly because it's right before the first Mirror Universe episode and the introduction of The Dominion. She's almost done with the series now. 

And regarding TNG: Look for Riker's beard and the high uniform collars. That's about the time the show found its footing.
 
2012-12-12 06:37:38 PM  

Well, I hated the first Abrams Trek
I hoped the second movie would pull it back together
But based on this trailer...

1.bp.blogspot.com
"The franchise is dead Jim!"


It's sad really, it survived Deep Space 9, it survived Scott Bakula (somehow), but Abrams managed to bring it down like a diseased elephant. Now, it just looks like Ironman VI
/RIP Star Trek
 
2012-12-12 06:40:47 PM  

fusillade762: justanothersumguy: Paramount just relieved Alice Eve is playing Carol Marcus. Shakes an Angry Fist!!!!

I just noticed that on IMDB.

[i50.tinypic.com image 822x239]

[charlieweingroff.com image 420x410]


.... WELL SO WHAT??? THAT MEANS EXACTLY NOTHING DOESN'T

///sob
 
2012-12-12 06:42:42 PM  

tinyarena: Well, I hated the first Abrams Trek
I hoped the second movie would pull it back together
But based on this trailer...
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 300x200]
"The franchise is dead Jim!"
It's sad really, it survived Deep Space 9, it survived Scott Bakula (somehow), but Abrams managed to bring it down like a diseased elephant. Now, it just looks like Ironman VI
/RIP Star Trek


Star Trek has always worked better on television. One of the worst things about the new Trek movies is that it means we probably won't be getting new TV Trek anytime soon, and if we do it will be along the lense flare action movie variety.
 
2012-12-12 07:03:23 PM  

NeoCortex42: tinyarena: Well, I hated the first Abrams Trek
I hoped the second movie would pull it back together
But based on this trailer...
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 300x200]
"The franchise is dead Jim!"
It's sad really, it survived Deep Space 9, it survived Scott Bakula (somehow), but Abrams managed to bring it down like a diseased elephant. Now, it just looks like Ironman VI
/RIP Star Trek

Star Trek has always worked better on television. One of the worst things about the new Trek movies is that it means we probably won't be getting new TV Trek anytime soon, and if we do it will be along the lense flare action movie variety.


Given recent TV trends, I would expect more of a "Walking Trek" scenario. Starts off seeming like a sci-fi show that quickly devolves to whiny characters complaining about their sandy vagoos while existing in a world of sci-fi background scenery. Not developing characters, just complainy ones.

/Wesley, get back in the house!
 
2012-12-12 07:10:20 PM  
You guys need to wake the fark up.... Hasn't anyone noticed if you rearrange the letters in the name "John Harrison" It comes out "Lord Vol.... oh wait... Christ... I am losing it...

///still broken up about the Marcus thing
 
2012-12-12 07:14:40 PM  

justanothersumguy: You guys need to wake the fark up.... Hasn't anyone noticed if you rearrange the letters in the name "John Harrison" It comes out "Lord Vol.... oh wait... Christ... I am losing it...

///still broken up about the Marcus thing


Hey, they kept him on the payroll for the fifth season of B5.
 
2012-12-12 07:22:34 PM  

fusillade762: thornhill: As a series as a whole, DS9 was the best. Though you can save yourself time and start it at the final episode of season 1.

My mom tore through all the TNG and Voyager stuff but couldn't get into DS9. I suggested skipping forward to the middle of season 2 (218 or 219, I think). Mainly because it's right before the first Mirror Universe episode and the introduction of The Dominion. She's almost done with the series now. 

And regarding TNG: Look for Riker's beard and the high uniform collars. That's about the time the show found its footing.


I think you're right about the second season of DS9. I think some of the episodes in the first two-thirds of the season are actually more satisfying after you know more about the characters, such as "Cardassians" -- you get more out of it after having seen the Garak-Dukat feud developed more. And "Armageddon Game" is better when you know that the episode that initiated the Bashir-O'Brien friendship, which is the emotional heart of the show (the writers never get enough credit for how well they developed that, making in genuine and never sentimental).

The show really became a roller coaster in season 3. In "Second Skin" Garak pretty much becomes everyone's favorite character: "Oh, it was just something I overheard while I was hemming someone's trousers."
 
2012-12-12 07:29:30 PM  
Ricardo Montalbán was 56 when the original "Space Seed" aired. Benedict Cumberbatch is 36 now. I don't think he's playing Khan.

They already did a Gary Mitchell comic. If they really wanted Cumberbatch to be Mitchell, wouldn't they have drawn him (Mitchell) to look like Cumberbatch in the comic?

My guess is that "John Harrison" was a crewman on the enterprise when it went through the barrier, but he wasn't affected as severely as Gary MItchell. I also suspect that Peter Weller is either Khan (awakened 10 years earlier due to the new timeline) or somehow his character from Enterprise.

So why does Harrison want revenge? He's either part of Khan's crew and a sleeper agent in Starfleet, or a disciple of Weller's Enterprise character.

That's my guess, anyway.
 
2012-12-12 07:32:24 PM  

simplicimus: justanothersumguy: You guys need to wake the fark up.... Hasn't anyone noticed if you rearrange the letters in the name "John Harrison" It comes out "Lord Vol.... oh wait... Christ... I am losing it...

///still broken up about the Marcus thing

Hey, they kept him on the payroll for the fifth season of B5.


NOT THAT ONE!!! Idiots... I am surrounded by idiots....
 
2012-12-12 07:39:00 PM  

Tsar_Bomba1: NeoCortex42: thornhill: Even the most diehard trekkie will agree that the first two seasons of TNG are terrible with the exception of "Q Who" and "Measure of a Man." Season 3 is where it really begins.

I'd also add in Conspiracy and Elementary, Dear Data.

Every time I rewatch Conspiracy, I'm still surprised at the effects of the ending.

I will always be pissed they never followed up on that... especially with the transmission sent out at the end. Pretty amazing that they were able to get away with this in syndication. At the time it aired you would never have been able to air this on one of the major networks...

[upload.wikimedia.org image 490x348]


They picked it up of if a couple one of The DS9 novels The Lives of Dax, Unity, and Unjoined(spoilers: it's a genetically altered trill symbiont). I agree that they should have done some followup on it, though.
 
2012-12-12 07:47:59 PM  

Wellon Dowd: simplicimus: Anyone remember the plot device that sent Enterprise across the barrier?

Mitchell was Kirk's best friend until he was changed by the barrier. I don't see how they can make him go bad in a different time and place without it seeming really forced. More importantly, why take characters from the alternative time line to some hardcore fans happy and then change their nature? Most of the people who are going to pay to see this movie have no idea who Gary Mitchell is. Use the alternative-timeline-reboot to explore new characters and new stories.


It should be noted that they've already addressed the Mitchell character in the revamped Abrams universe. It was in graphic novel form, but it's canon. I cannot, for the life of me, remember the name, or how it ended, however.
 
2012-12-12 08:07:08 PM  

tinyarena: Well, I hated the first Abrams Trek
I hoped the second movie would pull it back together
But based on this trailer...
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 300x200]
"The franchise is dead Jim!"
It's sad really, it survived Deep Space 9, it survived Scott Bakula (somehow), but Abrams managed to bring it down like a diseased elephant. Now, it just looks like Ironman VI
/RIP Star Trek


Ok tinyarena.... I am not as cynical about the movie as you seem to be.... No matter how completely absurd the story was... I like the cast, they did a good job capturing at least some of the spirit of TOS. I am sorry my brother farkers for ranting on this for so long... But if it is not Gary Mitchell... If they rehash Khan again... if they pull so hard away from Cannon... Well FARK THEM! Cumberbatch would have been the greatest reincarnation of Mitchell possible. .... And seriously, does anyone really think JJA gives a rats ass about the comic book???
 
2012-12-12 08:08:36 PM  
/// will still see the movie though... Like a pissed off school girl.
 
2012-12-12 09:16:28 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: skodabunny:
Ha, sounds more like a dark Sybok.

\

BE GONE FOUL ONE. AND MAY YOU NEVER SPEAK AGAIN.


He's right, though. My first thought reading that was Sybok. You know you thought the same thing, and that is why you are so upset.
 
2012-12-12 10:04:23 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Also:

cdn.amctheatres.com

Alice Eve is a hottie, but that smile really creeps me the fark out.


movieactors.com
 
2012-12-12 11:13:49 PM  

tinyarena: Well, I hated the first Abrams Trek
I hoped the second movie would pull it back together
But based on this trailer...
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 300x200]
"The franchise is dead Jim!"
It's sad really, it survived Deep Space 9, it survived Scott Bakula (somehow), but Abrams managed to bring it down like a diseased elephant. Now, it just looks like Ironman VI
/RIP Star Trek


Actually it survived Voyager and overexposure paired with Enterprise as a whole killed it.

/onion news article on star trek fans .mpeg
 
2012-12-12 11:16:11 PM  

justanothersumguy: The latest.... Cumberbatch on the new Star Trek Villian...

Speaking with MTV News, Cumberbatch pulled the curtain back on his "Trek" role, but not at the expense of revealing the character's true purpose and motivation. "He's a terrorist; he operates as a terrorist," said the British actor. "He has extraordinary physical powers, but also mental powers. He can sow an idea, which is as powerful as gunshots or close-hand combat, which he's masterful in. He tears into the fabric of both the world and the Enterprise family, and he leaves behind him a trail of devastation. It's quite exciting to watch."

BOOOM.... Not KHAN.

It is Gerry Mitchell 2.0.


It's Sybok; Spock's brother from Star Trek V.

1) "He has extraordinary physical powers..."
Sybok is a Vulcan, which explains the strength, and the fighting prowess.

2) "...but also mental powers."
From Wikipedia: "Sybok has a mental ability to reveal and repair the innermost pain of a person, and uses it to gain the trust of the hostages and most of Enterprise's crew."

3) "He tears into the fabric of both the world..."
Sybock lost his homeworld, and the Federation must pay.

4) "...and the Enterprise family"
In Star Trek V, even McCoy and Spock were influenced by Sybok's mental powers to the point where they commuted mutiny. With the help of the crew, Sybock took control of the Enterprise, which sort of covers Cumberbatch's "terrorist" talking point, and the tearing of the Enterprise family.

5) Watch the trailer again Link. This time take a really long look at the villain's ears at the 24 and 46 second mark. It's extremely subtle, but his ears look pointed, at least to me. The villain wears a hood through the rest of the trailer, but for about 4 seconds you can see his ears.


/My wild a$$ theory.
//Worth everything you paid for it. 
///Lord Nerd.
 
2012-12-12 11:18:48 PM  

bhcompy: Jim from Saint Paul: skodabunny:
Ha, sounds more like a dark Sybok.

\

BE GONE FOUL ONE. AND MAY YOU NEVER SPEAK AGAIN.

He's right, though. My first thought reading that was Sybok. You know you thought the same thing, and that is why you are so upset.


LIES!

/I hadn't thought of it till he said something
//It makes sense to a poi....

WAIT! IM LETTING THE BETRAYER OF HOPE INFLUENCE ME. BE GONE! BE GONE I SAY!
 
2012-12-12 11:26:35 PM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: justanothersumguy: The latest.... Cumberbatch on the new Star Trek Villian...

Speaking with MTV News, Cumberbatch pulled the curtain back on his "Trek" role, but not at the expense of revealing the character's true purpose and motivation. "He's a terrorist; he operates as a terrorist," said the British actor. "He has extraordinary physical powers, but also mental powers. He can sow an idea, which is as powerful as gunshots or close-hand combat, which he's masterful in. He tears into the fabric of both the world and the Enterprise family, and he leaves behind him a trail of devastation. It's quite exciting to watch."

BOOOM.... Not KHAN.

It is Gerry Mitchell 2.0.

It's Sybok; Spock's brother from Star Trek V.

1) "He has extraordinary physical powers..."
Sybok is a Vulcan, which explains the strength, and the fighting prowess.

2) "...but also mental powers."
From Wikipedia: "Sybok has a mental ability to reveal and repair the innermost pain of a person, and uses it to gain the trust of the hostages and most of Enterprise's crew."

3) "He tears into the fabric of both the world..."
Sybock lost his homeworld, and the Federation must pay.

4) "...and the Enterprise family"
In Star Trek V, even McCoy and Spock were influenced by Sybok's mental powers to the point where they commuted mutiny. With the help of the crew, Sybock took control of the Enterprise, which sort of covers Cumberbatch's "terrorist" talking point, and the tearing of the Enterprise family.

5) Watch the trailer again Link. This time take a really long look at the villain's ears at the 24 and 46 second mark. It's extremely subtle, but his ears look pointed, at least to me. The villain wears a hood through the rest of the trailer, but for about 4 seconds you can see his ears.


/My wild a$$ theory.
//Worth everything you paid for it. 
///Lord Nerd.


STOP IT. ALL OF YOU STOP IT.
 
2012-12-12 11:41:55 PM  
After watching... not sure about Sybok. Granted it's an alternate timeline, but Sybok was always positive(and this character is exactly the opposite). Then again, Spock didn't have a girlfriend, either.
 
2012-12-13 12:30:08 AM  

bhcompy: After watching... not sure about Sybok. Granted it's an alternate timeline, but Sybok was always positive(and this character is exactly the opposite). Then again, Spock didn't have a girlfriend, either.


there is no point on the ear. And shots from the set show Quinto with ears on fighting a Cumberbatch without against a green screen...
 
2012-12-13 01:02:01 AM  
He says he is back, who left in this universe? If it's Gary Mitchel it may not be the Gary Mitchel character that gets the brain boost. Could be another crewman, after all this is a different universe then the series.I'm guessing Khan myself why? Carol Marcus is in it she is tied to the Wrath. Wrath of Khan was the 2nd movie of the franchise and most popular he may be copying the formula.
 
2012-12-13 04:17:48 AM  

mikefinch: bhcompy: After watching... not sure about Sybok. Granted it's an alternate timeline, but Sybok was always positive(and this character is exactly the opposite). Then again, Spock didn't have a girlfriend, either.

there is no point on the ear. And shots from the set show Quinto with ears on fighting a Cumberbatch without against a green screen...


So much for my theory.

*sigh*
 
2012-12-13 06:11:19 AM  
Based on what has come out and all the things that have been said in this and other recent threads i am leaning towards Mitchell I haven't seen this comic thing and nor will most of the people who see the movie so I don't think Abrams wouldlet that stop him from re-doing it. Maybe the movie will cover the events of the comic and then go forward from there..

if Carol Marcus is in it then I'm ok with that, just because the last movie to feature haer had Khan in it doesn't mean this one will. Besides, maybe we'll get to see David being conceived. Perhapse she'll be in later movies, perhapse Khan will too, personally i hope not. I would much rather see the Klingons or Romulans back as the enemy.
 
2012-12-13 08:29:52 AM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: mikefinch: bhcompy: After watching... not sure about Sybok. Granted it's an alternate timeline, but Sybok was always positive(and this character is exactly the opposite). Then again, Spock didn't have a girlfriend, either.

there is no point on the ear. And shots from the set show Quinto with ears on fighting a Cumberbatch without against a green screen...

So much for my theory.

*sigh*


Maybe he had surgery done to alter his physiology.

Wait.... WHY AM I HELPING YOU?!
 
2012-12-13 05:55:59 PM  

andino: Ricardo Montalbán was 56 when the original "Space Seed" aired. Benedict Cumberbatch is 36 now. I don't think he's playing Khan.




He was 47 (born in November 1920) when "Space Seed" first aired in 1967.

Unless he lied about his age. Who in Hollywood doesn't?
 
2012-12-13 06:04:31 PM  

bhcompy: After watching... not sure about Sybok. Granted it's an alternate timeline, but Sybok was always positive(and this character is exactly the opposite). Then again, Spock didn't have a girlfriend, either.


After watching the Japanese trailer I think it could be a distinct possibility. Especially when he says...

Is there anything you would not do... for your family?



Look at the hand again. Looks like a man's hand (Cumberbatch) with Spock in the background... 

Wasn't Sybok the black sheep of the family?
 
2012-12-14 07:03:36 AM  

Tsar_Bomba1: bhcompy: After watching... not sure about Sybok. Granted it's an alternate timeline, but Sybok was always positive(and this character is exactly the opposite). Then again, Spock didn't have a girlfriend, either.

After watching the Japanese trailer I think it could be a distinct possibility. Especially when he says...

Is there anything you would not do... for your family?

Look at the hand again. Looks like a man's hand (Cumberbatch) with Spock in the background... 

Wasn't Sybok the black sheep of the family?


Whar pointy ears?

WHAR?!
 
2012-12-15 07:44:13 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Tsar_Bomba1: bhcompy: After watching... not sure about Sybok. Granted it's an alternate timeline, but Sybok was always positive(and this character is exactly the opposite). Then again, Spock didn't have a girlfriend, either.

After watching the Japanese trailer I think it could be a distinct possibility. Especially when he says...

Is there anything you would not do... for your family?

Look at the hand again. Looks like a man's hand (Cumberbatch) with Spock in the background... 

Wasn't Sybok the black sheep of the family?

Whar pointy ears?

WHAR?!


Well if Sybok's mother is human (Amanda) then it could be possible... although in the original canon Sybok is Spock's half-brother.
 
2012-12-15 08:25:27 PM  

Tsar_Bomba1: andino: Ricardo Montalbán was 56 when the original "Space Seed" aired. Benedict Cumberbatch is 36 now. I don't think he's playing Khan.


He was 47 (born in November 1920) when "Space Seed" first aired in 1967.

Unless he lied about his age. Who in Hollywood doesn't?


I......can't do basic addition, apparently. I meant to say 46 because his birthday is late in the year and the episode came out early in the year.

Yes, that's it.

/anyway, thanks for correcting me
 
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