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2012-12-12 10:12:59 AM
4 votes:

generallyso: enochianwolf: Aurora shooter purchased his assault rifle legally, correct?

AR-15s are not assault rifles. They are semi-auto fire ONLY. The plastic stock and the scary M-16-like visual profile do not make it an assault rifle.


Some additional perspective may be helpful:

Total murders in 2011: 12,664
Total murders in 2011 committed with use of any firearm: 8,583
Total murders in 2011 committed with use of any model of rifle (of which AR-15 rifles are a smaller subset): 323

Total murders in 2011 committed with use of knives or other cutting objects: 1,694

Total murders in 2011 committed with use of unarmed attacks (hands, fists, feet; classified by the Federal Bureau of Investigations as "personal weapons"): 728

Percentage of murders committed with use of knives or other cutting objects: 13.38%
Percentage of murders committed without use of any external weapon: 5.75%
Percentage of murders committed with use of any rifle: 2.55%

Clearly, the solution to violent crime in the United States is a prohibition upon a subset of popular civilian sporting rifles based upon cosmetic characteristics.
2012-12-12 10:16:09 AM
3 votes:
It always seems like the people that call for more gun control have the least amount of firearm knowledge. That's why things like the assault weopons ban seem so stupid to people who know about guns. The assualt weopons ban was written by politicians who are clueless about the very thing they are trying to regulate.

I also like how the gun control advocates propose no solution to the very real problem of how they are going to confiscate all of the newly "outlawed" guns and accessories that are currently held by individuals. I guess if you don't have a problem violating the constitution in the first place you don't have to stretch to far to advocate armed government troops going house to house.
2012-12-12 10:03:46 AM
3 votes:

enochianwolf: Any magazine with a capacity higher than what is standard for the firearm intended. It was only during the reloading of one of Loughner's mags that he was able to be incapacitated, he would have gotten less shots off during his attack with a smaller mag. They would be considered illegal to own and by turning them in willfully you could forgo any ensuing fines imposed if you happen to be caught with them in the future.


Mr. Loughner carried a spare magazine. He was subdued when his second magazine jammed. Extended magazines are often unreliable; had Mr. Loughner carried magazines of capacities standard for his handgun model, he may not have suffered such a malfunction.

Please explain how owners of such magazines would be compensated for the loss of their property.

Aurora shooter purchased his assault rifle legally, correct?

Mr. James Holmes did not possess an assault rifle. Mr. Holmes was armed with a Remington 870 Express Tactical shotgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P15 semi-automatic rifle (which reportedly malfunctioned after firing fewer than 30 rounds, likely due to his use of an unreliable "large capacity" magazine) and a Glock 22 handgun (for which Mr. Holmes carried multiple spare magazines, several of which were found on the floor of the theater).

If you have any violent crimes that deem you to be mentally unstable i.e. assault & battery in your record, you are disbarred from owning a deadly weapon. Sure, what I said isn't really feasible, so your 5 year certification is having a clean criminal record and no record of mental illness to speak of. Everyone else loses their right to own a deadly weapon.

Any felony conviction of any adjudication of mental defectiveness already automatically legally prohibits firearm ownership. What you advocate is already law, and is implemented more effectively than what you recommend.
2012-12-12 11:58:53 AM
2 votes:

llachlan: What actually tends to happen is that the homeowner, in possession of a legal firearm, is shot by the police when they come to raid the wrong house, and the homeowner is trying to protect his family from an unknown (to him) threat. Or the home owner shoots his own kid in the middle of the night. Rare, but it does happen, and far too often.



Are you aware of what the words "rare" and "often" mean?
2012-12-12 10:59:44 AM
2 votes:

generallyso: enochianwolf: Aurora shooter purchased his assault rifle legally, correct?

AR-15s are not assault rifles. They are semi-auto fire ONLY. The plastic stock and the scary M-16-like visual profile do not make it an assault rifle.


Let me see if I can use an analogy to describe the disconnect:

Someone who has an otherwise stock automobile, but with a 'race car' body kit, runs over someone. The car-control folks respond by saying "Ban all race cars".

But, say the car guys, race cars are already banned. You can't drive them on public roads, you have to have special liscences to be a race car driver.

But, say the car-control guys, this guy was able to buy a race car without a liscence. He was just able to walk in off the street and put a body kit on his car.

But, say the car guys, that's just a body kit. A race car is a very specific term that describes the capabilities of the car, not the way it looks. A race car has twin turbochargers, a roll-cage, a fire-extinguisher, four-point race harness, etc. etc. etc. That guy had a car that looked like a race car, but had the exact same capabilities as a mini-van

But, say the car-control guys, this guy has a car that looks exactly like a race car, so we should ban race cars

STFU, say the car guys, you don't know WTF you're talking about.


/you CAN'T just buy an assault rifle, but you can just buy something that looks like an assault rifle that is likely less deadly than most hunting rifles
//car-control is being able to hit your apex!
2012-12-12 10:34:58 AM
2 votes:

Prank Monkey: It always seems like the people that call for more gun control have the least amount of firearm knowledge. That's why things like the assault weopons ban seem so stupid to people who know about guns. The assualt weopons ban was written by politicians who are clueless about the very thing they are trying to regulate.


I had a debate with a friend on this point yesterday; he being already a strict gun-control advocate is thrilled by Bob Costas' speaking out on the matter. Specifically he is frustrated that despite the consistently large number of firearm deaths (especially suicides) and crime facilitated by firearm availability, only Costas has used a large public stage to speak out on it.

I countered that Costas' factual errors and ignorance on the matter make him a bad point-man for the issue. He may do a good job speaking to the converted, but isn't going to sway anyone that can't get past his unfamiliarity with the issue. I compared it to Todd Akin's campaigning on a pro-life platform while using nonsense biology arguments to counter the pro-choice position.
2012-12-12 10:24:43 AM
2 votes:

utahraptor2: I think that what it boils down to are complacent Americans who don't want to take responsibility for their own personal defense. They're terrified of having to stand up and protect themselves if necessary, and so they'd rather forfeit their liberty and its associated responsibility than show some character and take responsibility.

What I find interesting is how these individuals can advocate legalization of controlled substances because Government restriction doesn't work; and in the same breath call for Government restriction of firearms. It's cognitive dissonance at its finest.


You realize that in the confusion of a public shooting, if every person had a gun, it could become easy for someone, including the police, to lose track of who the real shooter is, thereby possibly increasing the tragedy of such an event. Sure, it could also end the shooting really quickly and possibly prevent the tragedy, but the variable you're increasing is the amount of deadly weapons in a given area. Having a shootout isn't *necessarily* as safe for everyone around as fleeing and hiding, but this obviously depends on the environment and people density of a given area. I don't necessarily feel like your average person should worry about having to defend themselves against gunfire, sure it can happen to anyone and does happen, but I'll say that we seem to have this happen more than some other places.

As for drugs, keep the deadly stuff like heroine away from people but let the harmless, cannabis, get taxed. Because hey, free money and the cartels aren't getting paid. Not sure how it's cognitive dissonance to see weed as being ok enough not to throw thousands of people in jail each year for it, and firearms as dangerous enough to be highly regulated.
2012-12-12 10:06:24 AM
2 votes:

enochianwolf: Aurora shooter purchased his assault rifle legally, correct?


AR-15s are not assault rifles. They are semi-auto fire ONLY. The plastic stock and the scary M-16-like visual profile do not make it an assault rifle.
2012-12-12 10:02:05 AM
2 votes:

Dimensio:
I would be skeptical of your assessment, except that I have seen a video of a civilian disarmament advocate explicitly claiming a .50 BMG caliber rifle (that is almost never used in crime) to fire "heat-seeking" ammunition when advocating prohibition of it.


I think that what it boils down to are complacent Americans who don't want to take responsibility for their own personal defense. They're terrified of having to stand up and protect themselves if necessary, and so they'd rather forfeit their liberty and its associated responsibility than show some character and take responsibility.

What I find interesting is how these individuals can advocate legalization of controlled substances because Government restriction doesn't work; and in the same breath call for Government restriction of firearms. It's cognitive dissonance at its finest.
2012-12-12 09:42:32 AM
2 votes:

enochianwolf: Dimensio: What "stricter" firearm regulation do you propose?

No high-capacity magazines - this would have saved lives in Arizona during the Gifford's attack


Please define "high-capacity magazine". Demonstrate that prohibiting civilian ownership of such magazines would have "saved lives". Please explain how the millions of such magazines already owned by civilians would be addressed.

No assault rifles - military use only


Assault rifles are already regulated by the National Firearms Act of 1934 and further restricted by the Hughes Amendment to the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986; they are not readily available to civilians.


No full-auto anything


Fully automatic firearms are regulated by the same laws as are assault rifles (assault rifles are a subset of "full auto" rifles under the law).


5 year mental health certification required for everyone owning a firearm


Please explain how such certification would be conducted. Identify an objective standard that would be applied so that an anti-gun evaluator could not arbitrarily deny the right to keep and bear arms regardless of actual mental fitness. Explain how the government would cover costs for such certification.
2012-12-12 09:17:21 AM
2 votes:
Really fark?? Were linking to screencaps of 4chan threads as news now???

/keep farking that chicken...
2012-12-12 09:15:59 AM
2 votes:

enochianwolf: Farce-Side: Blah blah speculation blah blah outrage blah blah gun control.

I think that about covers it at this point.

Sure, until it happens again. And again. And again. I think the problem will sort itself out once we make sure every citizen of child-bearing age has a personal side-arm.


I would recommend, as an alternative, improving mental health care in the United States of America, so that mentally unstable individuals may be better identified and treated before they engage in any violent action.
2012-12-12 09:00:39 AM
2 votes:

Dimensio: Could not this matter be resolved through a link to 4chan?

Or would absolutely no one admit to clicking it?


That thread is long gone by ow.
2012-12-12 08:44:07 AM
2 votes:

ShavedApe:

It's from 4chan. You remember the skit from the Chappelle Show where he's imagining that he's inside the internet? 4chan is the sleazy guy that takes him into a room full of porn, more porn, and goat porn.


He meant the screencap itself, not the site screencapped in it, which is very obviously /b/.
2012-12-12 08:40:45 AM
2 votes:

Englebert Slaptyback: Was it this?


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This was in yesterday's thread, and the poster indicated it had come from Reddit.



It's from 4chan. You remember the skit from the Chappelle Show where he's imagining that he's inside the internet? 4chan is the sleazy guy that takes him into a room full of porn, more porn, and goat porn.
2012-12-13 12:03:10 AM
1 votes:
I find it amusing that the 4chan subreddors are claiming this graphic was actually created by the Portland subreddit. This makes sense to me; these days /b/tards are all 12 year olds too busy fapping and dressing up as traps to shoot up a mall.

Besides, if you look at the post numbers, the 13th reply down this thread is only numbered 6 posts higher.

Moral of the story: blame reddit, not 4chan.
2012-12-12 05:10:54 PM
1 votes:
I find it fun that Enochianwolf, ignored the statistics about how many rifles were used out of all the killings in the US.
2012-12-12 12:34:26 PM
1 votes:

llachlan: To clarify, I used proponents and people vs. every person and all proponents (for example). I meant to raise a discussion point, not to insult you, Dimensio or any one else who isn't in that camp. I wasn't actually trying to insult anyone.


You should be aware that while the most visible (at least in the media) advocates of civilian firearm ownership rights may be "tea-party" aligned conservatives who generally oppose civil liberties (and whose use of hyperbole and fallacious reasoning are almost as damaging to the cause of civilian firearm ownership rights advocacy as are the demonstrable lies of the Brady Center and of the Violence Policy Center), the actual body of civilian firearm ownership rights advocacy is substantially more diverse.
2012-12-12 12:28:53 PM
1 votes:

enochianwolf: Dimensio: A more realistic assessment is that the legal availability of "extended" firearm magazines has neither demonstrably increased rates of violent crime nor demonstrably increased the number of casualties in any single high-publicized mass-shooting event.

Shooter A has a semi-automatic weapon with 12 bullets in the magazine, he has 2 spare magazines with him. He fires upon a crowd at rate of 2 shots per second, and it takes him 3.5 seconds to reload. Within 25 seconds he has fired 36 bullets.

Shooter B has the same semi-automatic weapon but this one holds 18 bullets. Within 25 seconds he has fired 54 bullets.

If you were unarmed, would you rather encounter Shooter A or B?


I would rather encounter neither, though I prefer to assess actual reality rather than hypothetical speculation when discussing the merits (or lack thereof) of proposed restrictions upon liberty.


also, I would like to know what purpose high-capacity magazines serve? Hunting? You should only need one shot. Self-defense? Unless you were being attacked by a large group of people, extremely unlikely unless you were in an area of gang violence, you should only need a standard issue magazine.

Be aware that most "gun control" advocates are dishonest and define "high-capacity magazines" as any magazine of a capacity greater than ten, even though many standard firearm magazines exceed that capacity; a "normal" AR-15 magazine holds thirty rounds of ammunition, and the "standard" magazine packaged with the .22LR conversion kit that I purchased for my AR-15 holds twenty-six rounds of ammunition. The Glock 19, a popular handgun model, uses a fifteen round magazine as its standard.

"Large" magazines, exceeding the standard capacity for a given firearm, are typically novelty items, though they are useful for recreational target shooters. Most states restrict firearm magazines used for hunting to a relatively low limit, such as five or three rounds. Larger magazines are also unsuited for personal defense outside of the home because they reduce the ability to conceal a firearm.
2012-12-12 12:24:56 PM
1 votes:

enochianwolf: utahraptor2: There's no reason why we shouldn't be able to own 'assault rifles', anyway. It's like we as citizens are considered too untrustworthy to be allowed the right.

I for one think we should make sports cars illegal. You might speed and cause accidents on the roads, so we should do everything we can to prevent those tragedies.


Comparisons between guns and vehicles aren't that easy to make. Yeah, both can be used as a deadly weapon, but you can't fit one into a packed building very easily. You may be a responsible gun owner and if that's the case, I wouldn't mind if you owned 500 guns, or how deadly they were, my problem is making them so readily available, and so lethal, that some fall into the hands of time bombs. This is a preventable thing and we can do things to prevent it besides waiting for the shooting to start.


If I was just crazy and wanted to kill people I could walk into a car dealership, sign a lease for the biggest SUV I could afford, and go mow down people on the sidewalk. The fact that it's hard to get one into a shopping mall is irrelevant.

About a quarter of all homicides are committed by a total stranger. The three largest motivations (in terms of total victims) for stranger-homicides are robbery, arguments, and gang killings, and when you subtract these out you have a grand total of 198 stranger-homicides per year (according to the FBI Crime in the United States report), and that's 198 TOTAL, the number of homicides involving a firearm is likely to be about 2/3 of that number, though I can't find any really concrete numbers. If you include Unknown and Not Specified causes you're still only looking at 1304 stranger-homicides per year, and remember that the gun-specific number is going to be 2/3 of that number (and the rifle-specific number is likely to be 1/10 or less the gun-specific number, or about 90 total rifle-stranger-homicides).

I'm not going to argue the finer points of gun control, but this allows us to put an upper bound of something like 100 completely random killings involving a rifle every year. This is on the order of (in terms of risk) being struck and killed by lightning (about 50 cases in the US every year) or being killed by falling icicles (about 100 cases in Russia every year). Thus, when you do want to argue about gun control, it's probably better to focus on the 9,900 other gun homicides committed every year predominantly in the course of felonies (about 1/3 of all homicides) and with handguns (9/10 or more of firearms crimes), rather than arguing about a very, very few clearly insane people doing insane things. The amount of time devoted to assault rifles and spree killers is completely out of whack with respect to true riskiness.
2012-12-12 12:21:27 PM
1 votes:

Dimensio: enochianwolf: Dimensio: Fortunately, gun control advocates are working to ensure that future rampages result in much greater death through prohibition of civilian ownership of unreliable firearm magazines.

It's almost as if it's... better? for everyone to have extended mags. It's actually safer for the victims if the shooter has more bullets in the magazine, you just have to assume they won't work as they were designed.

A more realistic assessment is that the legal availability of "extended" firearm magazines has neither demonstrably increased rates of violent crime nor demonstrably increased the number of casualties in any single high-publicized mass-shooting event.


Facts are to be ignored when they don't fit your worldview.

And that applies to democrats and republicans.
2012-12-12 12:08:30 PM
1 votes:

Girion47


llachlan: What actually tends to happen is that the homeowner, in possession of a legal firearm, is shot by the police when they come to raid the wrong house, and the homeowner is trying to protect his family from an unknown (to him) threat. Or the home owner shoots his own kid in the middle of the night. Rare, but it does happen, and far too often.

Are you aware of what the words "rare" and "often" mean?


When the goal is "never", both "rare" and "too often" can be applicable.
2012-12-12 11:57:10 AM
1 votes:

enochianwolf: CliChe Guevara: So, just to be clear, the Aurora shooter was using a shotgun. Ironically, the only thing mitigating the damage he could do was the attempt to use a high capacity magazine in a rifle.

Well it's good to know we were spared further loss of life, I guess!


I suspect he turned the gun on himself when the reality of what he was doing hit him.

There's more people alive now than there's ever been, and greater gun ownership than ever, but violence has been on the decrease for over a decade now.
2012-12-12 11:56:28 AM
1 votes:

enochianwolf: CliChe Guevara: So, just to be clear, the Aurora shooter was using a shotgun. Ironically, the only thing mitigating the damage he could do was the attempt to use a high capacity magazine in a rifle.

Well it's good to know we were spared further loss of life, I guess!


Fortunately, gun control advocates are working to ensure that future rampages result in much greater death through prohibition of civilian ownership of unreliable firearm magazines.
2012-12-12 11:35:30 AM
1 votes:

llachlan: Girion47: enochianwolf: Dimensio: enochianwolf: Great, another attention whore who just couldn't help himself and had to ruin innocent lives for his narcissistic, masturbatory power trip. glad he's dead, though maybe a couple other people wouldn't be had it been more difficult for him to get a "military-style" weapon. Assault weapons ban is apparently violating the 2nd amendment.

I wonder what George Washington would say if he saw teenagers walking down the street armed with AR-15s loaded with hv mags. And hey, it doesnt specify what kind of arms, lets go ahead and theorize its an NRA members wet dream and give the teens a few fragmentation grenades and flamethrowers for good measure.

You are correct; clearly, his act of double-homicide would have been acceptable had he utilized a non-tactical Mini-14 to commit it instead of the AR-15 that he was reported to have used.

/Given the low body count, he may actually have used a Mini-14.

It wouldn't have been acceptable if he used a Tickle-me Elmo doll, but the chances of survival for the people in the mall would have been much higher. What i'm saying is people should have to go through more bureaucratic b.s. to get a gun than anything else in their lives, yet ironically you can be diagnosed with mental illness and still get one no problem, and not just a little pea-shooter, you can get serious hardware as a paranoid schizo, and the NRA sees this as freedom

The sheer amount of death attributed to heart disease from obesity and you're worried about gun control?

You're priorities are whacko.

Well, here's the thing from my perspective - you get at least a measure of control in most heart disease cases. You get time to wrap things up, maybe say some good-byes (dying still sucks, and yes, it sometimes happens out of the blue, but still, even in those cases, the corner says, 'heart disease, and at least it makes sense).

When a twit with a gun shots you in a mall, a school, a theatre, as collateral damage in a drive by, ...


That's some nice false equivalency you have going on. So because I think gun control is absurd because it focuses on a small amount of deaths I'm against equality all of a sudden?
2012-12-12 11:35:23 AM
1 votes:

enochianwolf: utahraptor2: There's no reason why we shouldn't be able to own 'assault rifles', anyway. It's like we as citizens are considered too untrustworthy to be allowed the right.

I for one think we should make sports cars illegal. You might speed and cause accidents on the roads, so we should do everything we can to prevent those tragedies.


Comparisons between guns and vehicles aren't that easy to make. Yeah, both can be used as a deadly weapon, but you can't fit one into a packed building very easily. You may be a responsible gun owner and if that's the case, I wouldn't mind if you owned 500 guns, or how deadly they were, my problem is making them so readily available, and so lethal, that some fall into the hands of time bombs. This is a preventable thing and we can do things to prevent it besides waiting for the shooting to start.


I own quite a few firearms. Big ones, small ones, antiques and modern "assault weapons". Everyone of them are equally deadly in the right hands, but not one of them is half as dangerous in my hands as a cell phone is in the hands of a soccer mom driving a mini van.

People kill people. It's been happening since the advent of the human race. The only reasonable thing that can be done to prevent it is to be equipped and prepared to defend yourself in the extremely unlikely event that someone tries to kill or harm you.

Restricting firearms does two things: it makes firearms ownership classist and only available to wealthy people, and it makes firearms theft and sales even more lucrative for organized crime than it already is.
2012-12-12 11:27:01 AM
1 votes:

llachlan: It also amuses me greatly that the 2nd amendment is the one that proponents are willing to broaden the scope of to include weaponry that no one in 1776 could have forseen, but are stone cold against broadening 'all men are created equal' to actually make everyone equal. Kinda like the people who quote Leviticus as a reason to condem the gheys, but still eat shellfish. Weird.


Upon what occasion have I expressed "stone cold" opposition to expanding equality? In which posting did I quote Leviticus as justification for condemnation of homosexuals? Was it in one of the numerous postings in which I explicitly advocated legal recognition of same-sex marriage?
2012-12-12 11:21:50 AM
1 votes:

enochianwolf: Girion47: The sheer amount of death attributed to heart disease from obesity and you're worried about gun control?

You're priorities are whacko.


I'm not worried about the pleasant fat couple from down the street clogging their arteries with salt and fat in the mall food court, I'm worried about them getting their heads blown off by another psycho with a weapon trying to become famous.

Holmes, the Aurora shooter, purchased his assault rifle and body armor legally, yet was considered mentally unbalanced by his psychiatrist, just not diagnosed. I'll agree with Dimensio's point about providing better mental healthcare in this country as a good alternative to stricter gun control, but I believe we need a good measure of both. For example, anyone with an (R) next to their name in office is a guaranteed rubber stamp for looser gun regulations and less federal support for mental healthcare

/so vote democrat


1. He didn't have body armor. He had a "tactical" vest on.
2. There are laws in place preventing people with reported mental illness that should prevent them from getting a firearm. Seeing as he wasn't reported as such, that is not a failure of the gun laws.
2012-12-12 11:12:35 AM
1 votes:

CliChe Guevara: People who fear guns use the term 'Assault Rifle' in a way that means 'anything that looks scary, regardless of function or purpose'. These are not actually assault rifles they are speaking of, but the term sounds scary enough they get addicted to saying it. I have seen .22 squirrel rifles referred to as 'assault rifles' because they had a black synthetic stock instead of a classic wood one. I have seen a speaker that used so broadly as to to mean 'any firearm with a magazine' (so anything other than a revolver I guess?)


There's no reason why we shouldn't be able to own 'assault rifles', anyway. It's like we as citizens are considered too untrustworthy to be allowed the right.

I for one think we should make sports cars illegal. You might speed and cause accidents on the roads, so we should do everything we can to prevent those tragedies.
2012-12-12 11:05:36 AM
1 votes:

GRCooper: /you CAN'T just buy an assault rifle, but you can just buy something that looks like an assault rifle that is likely less deadly than most hunting rifles


And the AR-15 is chambered in a centerfire .22 cartridge. It's renowned for its accuracy, not its lethality. It's a varmint control caliber, FFS. That pistol grip or matte black finish doesn't do anything to make it any more or less dangerous.
2012-12-12 10:56:57 AM
1 votes:

enochianwolf: evilmousse: I wonder what George Washington would say if he saw teenagers walking down the street armed with AR-15s loaded with hv mags.

Oh my god look at these horseless carriages and buildings that touch the sky! I seriously need to get some of those dentures to replace this whale bone shiat. Where do y'all keep your slaves? Oh, and avoid entangling alliances, it'll lead to shiat like ww1.

...I was speaking figuratively.. the point is the 2nd amendment was created during a time in which weapons were much less lethal, and the ability to have mass-shootings from a single individual wasn't really possible.


There's a solution to this. Arm yourself, and kill someone if they're trying to kill you or others. Or be a victim. It's your choice. But firearms are here, and they're not going away.
2012-12-12 10:47:46 AM
1 votes:

enochianwolf: Dimensio: I am undecided as to whether to present Mr. Gandhi's quote condemning the British empire for disarming the Indian populace or to make reference to Mr. Gandhi's obsession with enemas.

"We may never be strong enough to be entirely nonviolent in thought, word and deed. But we must keep nonviolence as our goal and make strong progress towards it."


I will recall that philosophy should I ever be subjected to unwanted British rule and forcibly deprived of firearms. However, I do not understand how that relates to the current discussion.
2012-12-12 10:45:34 AM
1 votes:

Dimensio: enochianwolf: way south: enochianwolf: Great, another attention whore who just couldn't help himself and had to ruin innocent lives for his narcissistic, masturbatory power trip. glad he's dead, though maybe a couple other people wouldn't be had it been more difficult for him to get a "military-style" weapon. Assault weapons ban is apparently violating the 2nd amendment.

I wonder what George Washington would say if he saw teenagers walking down the street armed with AR-15s loaded with hv mags. And hey, it doesnt specify what kind of arms, lets go ahead and theorize its an NRA members wet dream and give the teens a few fragmentation grenades and flamethrowers for good measure.

How you think your trolling.

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How you're actually trolling.

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I am undecided as to whether to present Mr. Gandhi's quote condemning the British empire for disarming the Indian populace or to make reference to Mr. Gandhi's obsession with enemas.


Or his endorsement of Hitler.
2012-12-12 10:42:45 AM
1 votes:
I wonder what George Washington would say if he saw teenagers walking down the street armed with AR-15s loaded with hv mags.

Oh my god look at these horseless carriages and buildings that touch the sky! I seriously need to get some of those dentures to replace this whale bone shiat. Where do y'all keep your slaves? Oh, and avoid entangling alliances, it'll lead to shiat like ww1.
2012-12-12 10:37:51 AM
1 votes:

enochianwolf: way south: enochianwolf: Great, another attention whore who just couldn't help himself and had to ruin innocent lives for his narcissistic, masturbatory power trip. glad he's dead, though maybe a couple other people wouldn't be had it been more difficult for him to get a "military-style" weapon. Assault weapons ban is apparently violating the 2nd amendment.

I wonder what George Washington would say if he saw teenagers walking down the street armed with AR-15s loaded with hv mags. And hey, it doesnt specify what kind of arms, lets go ahead and theorize its an NRA members wet dream and give the teens a few fragmentation grenades and flamethrowers for good measure.

How you think your trolling.

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How you're actually trolling.

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What I'm really doing:

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I am undecided as to whether to present Mr. Gandhi's quote condemning the British empire for disarming the Indian populace or to make reference to Mr. Gandhi's obsession with enemas.
2012-12-12 10:31:15 AM
1 votes:

enochianwolf: utahraptor2: I think that what it boils down to are complacent Americans who don't want to take responsibility for their own personal defense. They're terrified of having to stand up and protect themselves if necessary, and so they'd rather forfeit their liberty and its associated responsibility than show some character and take responsibility.

What I find interesting is how these individuals can advocate legalization of controlled substances because Government restriction doesn't work; and in the same breath call for Government restriction of firearms. It's cognitive dissonance at its finest.

You realize that in the confusion of a public shooting, if every person had a gun, it could become easy for someone, including the police, to lose track of who the real shooter is, thereby possibly increasing the tragedy of such an event. Sure, it could also end the shooting really quickly and possibly prevent the tragedy, but the variable you're increasing is the amount of deadly weapons in a given area. Having a shootout isn't *necessarily* as safe for everyone around as fleeing and hiding, but this obviously depends on the environment and people density of a given area. I don't necessarily feel like your average person should worry about having to defend themselves against gunfire, sure it can happen to anyone and does happen, but I'll say that we seem to have this happen more than some other places.

As for drugs, keep the deadly stuff like heroine away from people but let the harmless, cannabis, get taxed. Because hey, free money and the cartels aren't getting paid. Not sure how it's cognitive dissonance to see weed as being ok enough not to throw thousands of people in jail each year for it, and firearms as dangerous enough to be highly regulated.


I agree with you about the weed. That being said, I can't think of one instance where what you are saying has happened. Link?
2012-12-12 09:58:24 AM
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enochianwolf: Girion47: The sheer amount of death attributed to heart disease from obesity and you're worried about gun control?

You're priorities are whacko.


I'm not worried about the pleasant fat couple from down the street clogging their arteries with salt and fat in the mall food court, I'm worried about them getting their heads blown off by another psycho with a weapon trying to become famous.

Holmes, the Aurora shooter, purchased his assault rifle and body armor legally, yet was considered mentally unbalanced by his psychiatrist, just not diagnosed. I'll agree with Dimensio's point about providing better mental healthcare in this country as a good alternative to stricter gun control, but I believe we need a good measure of both. For example, anyone with an (R) next to their name in office is a guaranteed rubber stamp for looser gun regulations and less federal support for mental healthcare

/so vote democrat


Go live in fear somewhere else.
2012-12-12 09:35:24 AM
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doczoidberg: Is anyone else kind of disappointed when there's a highly reported shooting like this, and it turns out that only a couple people died?


Mr. Josh Sugarmann and Mr. Daniel Gross are likely very disappointed.
hej
2012-12-12 09:23:02 AM
1 votes:
"Remember that guy who shot up the Clackamas Town Center on 12/11/12? "

No.
2012-12-12 09:19:39 AM
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enochianwolf: Dimensio: enochianwolf: Great, another attention whore who just couldn't help himself and had to ruin innocent lives for his narcissistic, masturbatory power trip. glad he's dead, though maybe a couple other people wouldn't be had it been more difficult for him to get a "military-style" weapon. Assault weapons ban is apparently violating the 2nd amendment.

I wonder what George Washington would say if he saw teenagers walking down the street armed with AR-15s loaded with hv mags. And hey, it doesnt specify what kind of arms, lets go ahead and theorize its an NRA members wet dream and give the teens a few fragmentation grenades and flamethrowers for good measure.

You are correct; clearly, his act of double-homicide would have been acceptable had he utilized a non-tactical Mini-14 to commit it instead of the AR-15 that he was reported to have used.

/Given the low body count, he may actually have used a Mini-14.

It wouldn't have been acceptable if he used a Tickle-me Elmo doll, but the chances of survival for the people in the mall would have been much higher. What i'm saying is people should have to go through more bureaucratic b.s. to get a gun than anything else in their lives, yet ironically you can be diagnosed with mental illness and still get one no problem, and not just a little pea-shooter, you can get serious hardware as a paranoid schizo, and the NRA sees this as freedom


The sheer amount of death attributed to heart disease from obesity and you're worried about gun control?

You're priorities are whacko.
2012-12-12 09:18:58 AM
1 votes:

Farce-Side: Blah blah speculation blah blah outrage blah blah gun control.

I think that about covers it at this point.


No, it doesn't. Because the fact is that if everyone carried a gun this guy likely would have only been able to kill one person rather than two, and may not have even gotten to do that. Guns can save lives as well as do away with them. People forget that.
2012-12-12 09:07:13 AM
1 votes:

Dimensio: enochianwolf: Great, another attention whore who just couldn't help himself and had to ruin innocent lives for his narcissistic, masturbatory power trip. glad he's dead, though maybe a couple other people wouldn't be had it been more difficult for him to get a "military-style" weapon. Assault weapons ban is apparently violating the 2nd amendment.

I wonder what George Washington would say if he saw teenagers walking down the street armed with AR-15s loaded with hv mags. And hey, it doesnt specify what kind of arms, lets go ahead and theorize its an NRA members wet dream and give the teens a few fragmentation grenades and flamethrowers for good measure.

You are correct; clearly, his act of double-homicide would have been acceptable had he utilized a non-tactical Mini-14 to commit it instead of the AR-15 that he was reported to have used.

/Given the low body count, he may actually have used a Mini-14.


It wouldn't have been acceptable if he used a Tickle-me Elmo doll, but the chances of survival for the people in the mall would have been much higher. What i'm saying is people should have to go through more bureaucratic b.s. to get a gun than anything else in their lives, yet ironically you can be diagnosed with mental illness and still get one no problem, and not just a little pea-shooter, you can get serious hardware as a paranoid schizo, and the NRA sees this as freedom
2012-12-12 09:04:14 AM
1 votes:

abhorrent1: Dimensio: Could not this matter be resolved through a link to 4chan?

Or would absolutely no one admit to clicking it?

That thread is long gone by ow.


yeah, it is like a river of shiat, step in it once, and you can never step back into the same festering place twice. i know they say that once something goes on the internet, it is there forever, but hopefully some of the things on 4chan really do disappear. god help google if the are trying to save it all...
2012-12-12 09:03:05 AM
1 votes:
Dimensio
Could not this matter be resolved through a link to 4chan?

Or would absolutely no one admit to clicking it?


I just went there and the first discussion I happened to be clicking on had posts from 12/12/12, which, while not ambiguous, wasn't exactly helpful in figuring out 4chan's date format.

So I googled for the shooting to find out if it happened only a few days ago or in November.
2012-12-12 08:56:21 AM
1 votes:

The Voice of Doom: moocifer
I totally believe it! This is in no way photoshopped.

This can in no way be related to the idiotic ambiguous American way of writing dates as MM/DD/YY or YY/DD/MM.


Could not this matter be resolved through a link to 4chan?

Or would absolutely no one admit to clicking it?
2012-12-12 08:53:27 AM
1 votes:

enochianwolf: Great, another attention whore who just couldn't help himself and had to ruin innocent lives for his narcissistic, masturbatory power trip. glad he's dead, though maybe a couple other people wouldn't be had it been more difficult for him to get a "military-style" weapon. Assault weapons ban is apparently violating the 2nd amendment.

I wonder what George Washington would say if he saw teenagers walking down the street armed with AR-15s loaded with hv mags. And hey, it doesnt specify what kind of arms, lets go ahead and theorize its an NRA members wet dream and give the teens a few fragmentation grenades and flamethrowers for good measure.


You are correct; clearly, his act of double-homicide would have been acceptable had he utilized a non-tactical Mini-14 to commit it instead of the AR-15 that he was reported to have used.

/Given the low body count, he may actually have used a Mini-14.
2012-12-12 08:50:47 AM
1 votes:

target="_blank">Tat'dGreaser: Cool, so can we shut down 4chan now?


Yeah, because that would take deranged people go away.

Your suggestion is as idiotic as demanding that people shut down telephone services because someone used a telephone to warn about a shooting.
2012-12-12 08:49:53 AM
1 votes:
I called it as being a b/tard yesterday.
2012-12-12 08:40:14 AM
1 votes:
I totally believe it! This is in no way photoshopped.
2012-12-12 08:37:27 AM
1 votes:
Was it this?


i.imgur.com


This was in yesterday's thread, and the poster indicated it had come from Reddit.
2012-12-12 08:36:47 AM
1 votes:
I suppose this should bother me, but for some reason I just find myself shrugging.
 
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