utahraptor2: I suspect he turned the gun on himself when the reality of what he was doing hit him.
Dimensio: llachlan: To clarify, I used proponents and people vs. every person and all proponents (for example). I meant to raise a discussion point, not to insult you, Dimensio or any one else who isn't in that camp. I wasn't actually trying to insult anyone.You should be aware that while the most visible (at least in the media) advocates of civilian firearm ownership rights may be "tea-party" aligned conservatives who generally oppose civil liberties (and whose use of hyperbole and fallacious reasoning are almost as damaging to the cause of civilian firearm ownership rights advocacy as are the demonstrable lies of the Brady Center and of the Violence Policy Center), the actual body of civilian firearm ownership rights advocacy is substantially more diverse.
CliChe Guevara: utahraptor2: I suspect he turned the gun on himself when the reality of what he was doing hit him.Um, the Aurora shooter is alive and well. When he realized his plan went south after he busted his rifle, and he wasn't about to take on the cops with only the shotgun he used on the crowd, he tried to ditch his weapons and flee the scene. He didn't count on the speed of the police response and got caught out in the open parking lot, unarmed, while trying to get to his car.That Aurora shooting has a number of lessons. But, contrary to media hype, none of them have to do with body armor, assault rifles, gun laws, or 'high capacity' magazines (well, other than the fact that higher-than-designed capacity magazines are generally completely useless novelties. That lesson was reinforced here.)
enochianwolf: Great, another attention whore who just couldn't help himself and had to ruin innocent lives for his narcissistic, masturbatory power trip. glad he's dead, though maybe a couple other people wouldn't be had it been more difficult for him to get a "military-style" weapon. Assault weapons ban is apparently violating the 2nd amendment.I wonder what George Washington would say if he saw teenagers walking down the street armed with AR-15s loaded with hv mags. And hey, it doesnt specify what kind of arms, lets go ahead and theorize its an NRA members wet dream and give the teens a few fragmentation grenades and flamethrowers for good measure.
damannm: I find it fun that Enochianwolf, ignored the statistics about how many rifles were used out of all the killings in the US.
enochianwolf: damannm: I find it fun that Enochianwolf, ignored the statistics about how many rifles were used out of all the killings in the US.It's very small, I realize this. We should do absolutely nothing about this problem because, hey, its only a few hundred people. Fully-automatic rifles accounting for only 2 deaths in decades, fine, I'll drop any argument using the term "assault rifles" in the future, but as utahraptor2 said, they are all deadly in the right hands. My argument boils down to this : increasing the amount of guns in a society doesn't necessarily correlate to better safety for everyone. Sure, in some places that has been shown to be true, but these results are also factored in with mental illness, education, poverty, drug violence and the like.
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