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2012-12-12 12:52:00 PM

enochianwolf: Dimensio: enochianwolf: Great, another attention whore who just couldn't help himself and had to ruin innocent lives for his narcissistic, masturbatory power trip. glad he's dead, though maybe a couple other people wouldn't be had it been more difficult for him to get a "military-style" weapon. Assault weapons ban is apparently violating the 2nd amendment.

I wonder what George Washington would say if he saw teenagers walking down the street armed with AR-15s loaded with hv mags. And hey, it doesnt specify what kind of arms, lets go ahead and theorize its an NRA members wet dream and give the teens a few fragmentation grenades and flamethrowers for good measure.

You are correct; clearly, his act of double-homicide would have been acceptable had he utilized a non-tactical Mini-14 to commit it instead of the AR-15 that he was reported to have used.

/Given the low body count, he may actually have used a Mini-14.

It wouldn't have been acceptable if he used a Tickle-me Elmo doll, but the chances of survival for the people in the mall would have been much higher. What i'm saying is people should have to go through more bureaucratic b.s. to get a gun than anything else in their lives, yet ironically you can be diagnosed with mental illness and still get one no problem, and not just a little pea-shooter, you can get serious hardware as a paranoid schizo, and the NRA sees this as freedom


It is freedom, I don't want to be sitting here un-armed when the scumbags who do these sort of things will find a way to get a gun. You can go un-armed all you want to, but there are some nut bags out there and I am going to be prepared.
 
2012-12-12 01:00:25 PM

utahraptor2: I suspect he turned the gun on himself when the reality of what he was doing hit him.


Um, the Aurora shooter is alive and well. When he realized his plan went south after he busted his rifle, and he wasn't about to take on the cops with only the shotgun he used on the crowd, he tried to ditch his weapons and flee the scene. He didn't count on the speed of the police response and got caught out in the open parking lot, unarmed, while trying to get to his car.

That Aurora shooting has a number of lessons. But, contrary to media hype, none of them have to do with body armor, assault rifles, gun laws, or 'high capacity' magazines (well, other than the fact that higher-than-designed capacity magazines are generally completely useless novelties. That lesson was reinforced here.)
 
2012-12-12 01:03:36 PM

enochianwolf: Bullseyed: All assault weapons are banned in the USA. Nice try troll.

How does my local pawn shop sell AK-47s?


They can sell them because they are not automatic rifles.
 
2012-12-12 01:04:21 PM

Dimensio: llachlan: To clarify, I used proponents and people vs. every person and all proponents (for example). I meant to raise a discussion point, not to insult you, Dimensio or any one else who isn't in that camp. I wasn't actually trying to insult anyone.

You should be aware that while the most visible (at least in the media) advocates of civilian firearm ownership rights may be "tea-party" aligned conservatives who generally oppose civil liberties (and whose use of hyperbole and fallacious reasoning are almost as damaging to the cause of civilian firearm ownership rights advocacy as are the demonstrable lies of the Brady Center and of the Violence Policy Center), the actual body of civilian firearm ownership rights advocacy is substantially more diverse.


Oh, I know the group is diverse. There is a safe, under the floor in my kitchen that contains a FN-Browning Model 1910 with trigger lock. I grew up hunting, and do appreciate firearms. I also believe they should be kept at home unless you are going to a range, or going hunting. So I think you can be for gun control, and not be for 'taking all yer gunz'.

I.e. I'm for gun control, but I don't want to take your guns away.
 
2012-12-12 01:19:26 PM

CliChe Guevara: utahraptor2: I suspect he turned the gun on himself when the reality of what he was doing hit him.

Um, the Aurora shooter is alive and well. When he realized his plan went south after he busted his rifle, and he wasn't about to take on the cops with only the shotgun he used on the crowd, he tried to ditch his weapons and flee the scene. He didn't count on the speed of the police response and got caught out in the open parking lot, unarmed, while trying to get to his car.

That Aurora shooting has a number of lessons. But, contrary to media hype, none of them have to do with body armor, assault rifles, gun laws, or 'high capacity' magazines (well, other than the fact that higher-than-designed capacity magazines are generally completely useless novelties. That lesson was reinforced here.)


My worry is that the end result of the lesson will be to 'improve' theatre security i.e. make it harder for me to smuggle in my store bought goodies and thus impinge on my freedom and add to a climate of fear, while doing absolutely nothing to prevent the same thing from happening again.

I do admit there are no easy answers, and far too much vitriol in the discussion for it to ever really go anywhere.
 
2012-12-12 01:33:55 PM

enochianwolf: Great, another attention whore who just couldn't help himself and had to ruin innocent lives for his narcissistic, masturbatory power trip. glad he's dead, though maybe a couple other people wouldn't be had it been more difficult for him to get a "military-style" weapon. Assault weapons ban is apparently violating the 2nd amendment.

I wonder what George Washington would say if he saw teenagers walking down the street armed with AR-15s loaded with hv mags. And hey, it doesnt specify what kind of arms, lets go ahead and theorize its an NRA members wet dream and give the teens a few fragmentation grenades and flamethrowers for good measure.


I have no idea what an hv mag is. I am also not sure what teenagers have to do with this shooting since the man was 22 years old. Regardless though, it is illegal under all but the most limited circumstances for teenagers to walk down the street with any firearm. Even so, the main question George would have is why nobody else had a gun handy so they could shoot this man down as soon as he started pointing his gun at other people.
 
2012-12-12 02:02:45 PM

enochianwolf: Great, another attention whore who just couldn't help himself and had to ruin innocent lives for his narcissistic, masturbatory power trip. glad he's dead, though maybe a couple other people wouldn't be had it been more difficult for him to get a "military-style" weapon. Assault weapons ban is apparently violating the 2nd amendment.

I wonder what George Washington would say if he saw teenagers walking down the street armed with AR-15s loaded with hv mags. And hey, it doesnt specify what kind of arms, lets go ahead and theorize its an NRA members wet dream and give the teens a few fragmentation grenades and flamethrowers for good measure.


You shouldn't need to ask what Washington would think; like most military Presidents he had dictatorial tendencies and his views were very much about the supremacy of the Federal government over the states'. John Adams was even worse, but that was because he was just a typical Masshole. You should be considering what Jefferson would have thought about it - which would probably be that cities & states have the right to individually govern themselves, people have the right to move to cities & states more in tune with their politics, but that cities & states should carefully consider the consequences of giving up a local supply of defense in a world of scum and villainy first.
 
2012-12-12 02:35:26 PM
So why didn't this guy wait til 12/12/12? And 12:12:12?

/cuz there's not gonna be a 13/13/13...
 
2012-12-12 05:10:54 PM
I find it fun that Enochianwolf, ignored the statistics about how many rifles were used out of all the killings in the US.
 
2012-12-12 06:02:57 PM
I came to this thread wanting to see some serious /b/ashing. All I got was this silly gun control thread again.

/I'll never learn
 
2012-12-12 09:13:57 PM
Here's all I can think about. If someone in that mall had been concealed carrying, and been in the right place to stop the shooter, we would be learning about the heroes life, and giving him accolades.

Instead, the news is just about this scumbags life. This is what all these scumbags want.
 
2012-12-12 11:53:38 PM

damannm: I find it fun that Enochianwolf, ignored the statistics about how many rifles were used out of all the killings in the US.


It's very small, I realize this. We should do absolutely nothing about this problem because, hey, its only a few hundred people. Fully-automatic rifles accounting for only 2 deaths in decades, fine, I'll drop any argument using the term "assault rifles" in the future, but as utahraptor2 said, they are all deadly in the right hands. My argument boils down to this : increasing the amount of guns in a society doesn't necessarily correlate to better safety for everyone. Sure, in some places that has been shown to be true, but these results are also factored in with mental illness, education, poverty, drug violence and the like.
 
2012-12-13 12:03:10 AM
I find it amusing that the 4chan subreddors are claiming this graphic was actually created by the Portland subreddit. This makes sense to me; these days /b/tards are all 12 year olds too busy fapping and dressing up as traps to shoot up a mall.

Besides, if you look at the post numbers, the 13th reply down this thread is only numbered 6 posts higher.

Moral of the story: blame reddit, not 4chan.
 
2012-12-13 12:27:00 AM

enochianwolf: damannm: I find it fun that Enochianwolf, ignored the statistics about how many rifles were used out of all the killings in the US.

It's very small, I realize this. We should do absolutely nothing about this problem because, hey, its only a few hundred people. Fully-automatic rifles accounting for only 2 deaths in decades, fine, I'll drop any argument using the term "assault rifles" in the future, but as utahraptor2 said, they are all deadly in the right hands. My argument boils down to this : increasing the amount of guns in a society doesn't necessarily correlate to better safety for everyone. Sure, in some places that has been shown to be true, but these results are also factored in with mental illness, education, poverty, drug violence and the like.


OK so let's blame the guns for what people themselves do. Have you been trained to handle a gun no, does that mean I haven't? As you said mental illness and severe lack of any moral fiber is to blame for people misusing any kind of firearm. Pistols account for much more death and yet no one ever calls for them to be taken away. I am thankful that you can at least accept that an AR-15 is not an assault rifle. Hell you can buy pistol grips for most conventional hunting rifles that doesn't make them assault weapons.

Education is how we fix this issue. Not taking guns from men and women who can follow the laws. I for one am educating my children on gun safety and how to properly use one. This has done 2 things so far:

1. Created a positive way to bond with my daughter(yes my daughter).

2. Solidified the importance of awareness to the things around her. Whether it is being around a loaded gun, handling the .22lr she shoots, or knowing when to tell me if another is being unsafe with a gun around us. All these lessons would have served the people killed in these mass shootings. Complacency is one of the biggest issues of American society today IMHO. To many people are busy with their phone to notice a guy with a SHOTGUN AND RIFLE. That in itself is pathetic and speaks volumes to the problems in our society.

Tl;dr

Pay attention to the world around you. If you don't want a gun fine, but make sure you know how to identify someone packing heat (not always an easy task, unless he has a shotgun, handgun, and rifle.....) and know what you will do in advance. Don't blame guns blame crazy people they will kill someone somehow if they really want to.
 
2012-12-13 11:54:08 AM
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EVERYONE is now mentally unstable enough to not own firearms. Take a read, do your research, make up YOUR OWN MIND....don't let others do your thinking for you. UN Weapons Ban anyone?
 
2012-12-13 03:57:21 PM
The first rendition of this said 12/10/12 (Wed), we all laughed because it was an obvious photoshop. Then it was reposted with the day corrected.

Its fake, this never happened, someone posted it yesterday and edited it before releasing it on the internet.
 
2012-12-13 06:44:37 PM
That wasn't coherent at all. Who said what? Is 4chan populated by retards that can't even articulate a complete thought?

Charles.
 
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