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2012-12-12 09:37:35 AM

enochianwolf: Great, another attention whore who just couldn't help himself and had to ruin innocent lives for his narcissistic, masturbatory power trip. glad he's dead, though maybe a couple other people wouldn't be had it been more difficult for him to get a "military-style" weapon. Assault weapons ban is apparently violating the 2nd amendment.

I wonder what George Washington would say if he saw teenagers walking down the street armed with AR-15s loaded with hv mags. And hey, it doesnt specify what kind of arms, lets go ahead and theorize its an NRA members wet dream and give the teens a few fragmentation grenades and flamethrowers for good measure.


But unless we have the right to carry an AR-15 down the street, how are we going to protect ourselves from crazies with AR-15s?
 
2012-12-12 09:39:01 AM

Dimensio: What "stricter" firearm regulation do you propose?


No high-capacity magazines - this would have saved lives in Arizona during the Gifford's attack
No assault rifles - military use only
No full-auto anything
5 year mental health certification required for everyone owning a firearm

to name a few
 
2012-12-12 09:39:07 AM

Bullseyed: enochianwolf: Great, another attention whore who just couldn't help himself and had to ruin innocent lives for his narcissistic, masturbatory power trip. glad he's dead, though maybe a couple other people wouldn't be had it been more difficult for him to get a "military-style" weapon. Assault weapons ban is apparently violating the 2nd amendment.

I wonder what George Washington would say if he saw teenagers walking down the street armed with AR-15s loaded with hv mags. And hey, it doesnt specify what kind of arms, lets go ahead and theorize its an NRA members wet dream and give the teens a few fragmentation grenades and flamethrowers for good measure.

All assault weapons are banned in the USA. Nice try troll.


Your assessment of firearm regulation in the United States of America is as accurate as is your assessment of the authenticity of President Obama's birth certificate.
 
2012-12-12 09:40:32 AM

Bullseyed: All assault weapons are banned in the USA. Nice try troll.


How does my local pawn shop sell AK-47s?
 
2012-12-12 09:42:14 AM
Oregon: where Mass-Murders are slackers too.

media.theonion.com
 
2012-12-12 09:42:32 AM

enochianwolf: Dimensio: What "stricter" firearm regulation do you propose?

No high-capacity magazines - this would have saved lives in Arizona during the Gifford's attack


Please define "high-capacity magazine". Demonstrate that prohibiting civilian ownership of such magazines would have "saved lives". Please explain how the millions of such magazines already owned by civilians would be addressed.

No assault rifles - military use only


Assault rifles are already regulated by the National Firearms Act of 1934 and further restricted by the Hughes Amendment to the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986; they are not readily available to civilians.


No full-auto anything


Fully automatic firearms are regulated by the same laws as are assault rifles (assault rifles are a subset of "full auto" rifles under the law).


5 year mental health certification required for everyone owning a firearm


Please explain how such certification would be conducted. Identify an objective standard that would be applied so that an anti-gun evaluator could not arbitrarily deny the right to keep and bear arms regardless of actual mental fitness. Explain how the government would cover costs for such certification.
 
2012-12-12 09:42:38 AM

Balchinian: Farce-Side: Blah blah speculation blah blah outrage blah blah gun control.

I think that about covers it at this point.

No, it doesn't. Because the fact is that if everyone carried a gun this guy likely would have only been able to kill one person rather than two, and may not have even gotten to do that. Guns can save lives as well as do away with them. People forget that.


People are more irrational than rational; people forget that.



/Feel confident about arguing with your wife/GF if she's packing?
 
2012-12-12 09:53:08 AM

Dimensio: enochianwolf: Dimensio: What "stricter" firearm regulation do you propose?

No high-capacity magazines - this would have saved lives in Arizona during the Gifford's attack

Please define "high-capacity magazine". Demonstrate that prohibiting civilian ownership of such magazines would have "saved lives". Please explain how the millions of such magazines already owned by civilians would be addressed.

Any magazine with a capacity higher than what is standard for the firearm intended. It was only during the reloading of one of Loughner's mags that he was able to be incapacitated, he would have gotten less shots off during his attack with a smaller mag. They would be considered illegal to own and by turning them in willfully you could forgo any ensuing fines imposed if you happen to be caught with them in the future.

No assault rifles - military use only

Assault rifles are already regulated by the National Firearms Act of 1934 and further restricted by the Hughes Amendment to the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986; they are not readily available to civilians.

Aurora shooter purchased his assault rifle legally, correct?


No full-auto anything

Fully automatic firearms are regulated by the same laws as are assault rifles (assault rifles are a subset of "full auto" rifles under the law).


5 year mental health certification required for everyone owning a firearm

Please explain how such certification would be conducted. Identify an objective standard that would be applied so that an anti-gun evaluator could not arbitrarily deny the right to keep and bear arms regardless of actual mental fitness. Explain how the government would cover costs for such certification.


If you have any violent crimes that deem you to be mentally unstable i.e. assault & battery in your record, you are disbarred from owning a deadly weapon. Sure, what I said isn't really feasible, so your 5 year certification is having a clean criminal record and no record of mental illness to speak of. Everyone else loses their right to own a deadly weapon.
 
2012-12-12 09:55:54 AM

Dimensio: Please define "high-capacity magazine". Demonstrate that prohibiting civilian ownership of such magazines would have "saved lives". Please explain how the millions of such magazines already owned by civilians would be addressed.


Therein lies the rub with heavy-duty gun control. Sure, we as a nation could unify and improve the standards for obtaining a CWP, but ultimately the only thing that would stop mass-shootings, gun suicides, and gang killings is not just a complete firearms ban but also a massive government seizure of property. Handgun bans in DC and Chicago have shown to be useless at stopping crime, because the law-abiding listen but the lawless just get their weapons from no-ban zones just across the river (or whatever defines the border of Chicago). You still have tons of weapons available, both legally and illegally to criminals.

1. No elimination of firearms from the civilian populace would ever be feasible without some reliable way of demonstrating to the populace that the criminals don't have them. So far no one has ever figured that out.

2. Who would fund this seizure of property? Even if by force (and damn that would be bloody) it would still cost a massive amount in mobilizing the LEOs and maybe National Guardsmen to raid every house in the country.

That's why we don't have much going on in the way of a national gun control discussion; the problems that we do have would require draconian solutions, as the already-exercised options (urban bans, the 1996 AWB) have proven ineffective.
 
2012-12-12 09:58:24 AM

enochianwolf: Girion47: The sheer amount of death attributed to heart disease from obesity and you're worried about gun control?

You're priorities are whacko.


I'm not worried about the pleasant fat couple from down the street clogging their arteries with salt and fat in the mall food court, I'm worried about them getting their heads blown off by another psycho with a weapon trying to become famous.

Holmes, the Aurora shooter, purchased his assault rifle and body armor legally, yet was considered mentally unbalanced by his psychiatrist, just not diagnosed. I'll agree with Dimensio's point about providing better mental healthcare in this country as a good alternative to stricter gun control, but I believe we need a good measure of both. For example, anyone with an (R) next to their name in office is a guaranteed rubber stamp for looser gun regulations and less federal support for mental healthcare

/so vote democrat


Go live in fear somewhere else.
 
2012-12-12 10:01:18 AM

jaybeezey: Go live in fear somewhere else.


Somewhere with less gun-violence and mass shootings, you mean.
 
2012-12-12 10:02:05 AM

Dimensio:
I would be skeptical of your assessment, except that I have seen a video of a civilian disarmament advocate explicitly claiming a .50 BMG caliber rifle (that is almost never used in crime) to fire "heat-seeking" ammunition when advocating prohibition of it.


I think that what it boils down to are complacent Americans who don't want to take responsibility for their own personal defense. They're terrified of having to stand up and protect themselves if necessary, and so they'd rather forfeit their liberty and its associated responsibility than show some character and take responsibility.

What I find interesting is how these individuals can advocate legalization of controlled substances because Government restriction doesn't work; and in the same breath call for Government restriction of firearms. It's cognitive dissonance at its finest.
 
2012-12-12 10:02:33 AM

divgradcurl: OtherLittleGuy: Tat'dGreaser: Cool, so can we shut down 4chan now?

No, we have to fire 4chan and ban pictures from teh internets. Because, like, children.

you guys are both small time. the real problem is books. we must eliminate them immediately or whack jobs like tom clancy will continue to give these misguided people bad ideas. personally, i blame him for every mall shooting since 2003 teeth of the tiger

/i've got my salamander outfit all ready to go, just let me know when


2003? Hah. Schwarzenegger was shooting up shopping malls back in 1985. Commando
 
2012-12-12 10:03:46 AM

enochianwolf: Any magazine with a capacity higher than what is standard for the firearm intended. It was only during the reloading of one of Loughner's mags that he was able to be incapacitated, he would have gotten less shots off during his attack with a smaller mag. They would be considered illegal to own and by turning them in willfully you could forgo any ensuing fines imposed if you happen to be caught with them in the future.


Mr. Loughner carried a spare magazine. He was subdued when his second magazine jammed. Extended magazines are often unreliable; had Mr. Loughner carried magazines of capacities standard for his handgun model, he may not have suffered such a malfunction.

Please explain how owners of such magazines would be compensated for the loss of their property.

Aurora shooter purchased his assault rifle legally, correct?

Mr. James Holmes did not possess an assault rifle. Mr. Holmes was armed with a Remington 870 Express Tactical shotgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P15 semi-automatic rifle (which reportedly malfunctioned after firing fewer than 30 rounds, likely due to his use of an unreliable "large capacity" magazine) and a Glock 22 handgun (for which Mr. Holmes carried multiple spare magazines, several of which were found on the floor of the theater).

If you have any violent crimes that deem you to be mentally unstable i.e. assault & battery in your record, you are disbarred from owning a deadly weapon. Sure, what I said isn't really feasible, so your 5 year certification is having a clean criminal record and no record of mental illness to speak of. Everyone else loses their right to own a deadly weapon.

Any felony conviction of any adjudication of mental defectiveness already automatically legally prohibits firearm ownership. What you advocate is already law, and is implemented more effectively than what you recommend.
 
2012-12-12 10:06:24 AM

enochianwolf: Aurora shooter purchased his assault rifle legally, correct?


AR-15s are not assault rifles. They are semi-auto fire ONLY. The plastic stock and the scary M-16-like visual profile do not make it an assault rifle.
 
2012-12-12 10:10:55 AM

enochianwolf: Great, another attention whore who just couldn't help himself and had to ruin innocent lives for his narcissistic, masturbatory power trip. glad he's dead, though maybe a couple other people wouldn't be had it been more difficult for him to get a "military-style" weapon. Assault weapons ban is apparently violating the 2nd amendment.

I wonder what George Washington would say if he saw teenagers walking down the street armed with AR-15s loaded with hv mags. And hey, it doesnt specify what kind of arms, lets go ahead and theorize its an NRA members wet dream and give the teens a few fragmentation grenades and flamethrowers for good measure.


How you think your trolling.

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How you're actually trolling.

dl.dropbox.com
 
2012-12-12 10:12:59 AM

generallyso: enochianwolf: Aurora shooter purchased his assault rifle legally, correct?

AR-15s are not assault rifles. They are semi-auto fire ONLY. The plastic stock and the scary M-16-like visual profile do not make it an assault rifle.


Some additional perspective may be helpful:

Total murders in 2011: 12,664
Total murders in 2011 committed with use of any firearm: 8,583
Total murders in 2011 committed with use of any model of rifle (of which AR-15 rifles are a smaller subset): 323

Total murders in 2011 committed with use of knives or other cutting objects: 1,694

Total murders in 2011 committed with use of unarmed attacks (hands, fists, feet; classified by the Federal Bureau of Investigations as "personal weapons"): 728

Percentage of murders committed with use of knives or other cutting objects: 13.38%
Percentage of murders committed without use of any external weapon: 5.75%
Percentage of murders committed with use of any rifle: 2.55%

Clearly, the solution to violent crime in the United States is a prohibition upon a subset of popular civilian sporting rifles based upon cosmetic characteristics.
 
2012-12-12 10:16:09 AM
It always seems like the people that call for more gun control have the least amount of firearm knowledge. That's why things like the assault weopons ban seem so stupid to people who know about guns. The assualt weopons ban was written by politicians who are clueless about the very thing they are trying to regulate.

I also like how the gun control advocates propose no solution to the very real problem of how they are going to confiscate all of the newly "outlawed" guns and accessories that are currently held by individuals. I guess if you don't have a problem violating the constitution in the first place you don't have to stretch to far to advocate armed government troops going house to house.
 
2012-12-12 10:18:50 AM

BolshyGreatYarblocks: /Feel confident about arguing with your wife/GF if she's packing?


Women with guns thread?

/inappropriate, I know
//sorry
///I'm not sorry!
 
2012-12-12 10:19:03 AM

Prank Monkey: It always seems like the people that call for more gun control have the least amount of firearm knowledge. That's why things like the assault weopons ban seem so stupid to people who know about guns. The assualt weopons ban was written by politicians who are clueless about the very thing they are trying to regulate.


Are you saying that you doubt Representative Carolyn McCarthy's expert understanding of barrel shrouds?
 
2012-12-12 10:22:44 AM

Dimensio: Prank Monkey: It always seems like the people that call for more gun control have the least amount of firearm knowledge. That's why things like the assault weopons ban seem so stupid to people who know about guns. The assualt weopons ban was written by politicians who are clueless about the very thing they are trying to regulate.

Are you saying that you doubt Representative Carolyn McCarthy's expert understanding of barrel shrouds?


That's like the extra skin that goes over the tip right?
 
2012-12-12 10:24:43 AM

utahraptor2: I think that what it boils down to are complacent Americans who don't want to take responsibility for their own personal defense. They're terrified of having to stand up and protect themselves if necessary, and so they'd rather forfeit their liberty and its associated responsibility than show some character and take responsibility.

What I find interesting is how these individuals can advocate legalization of controlled substances because Government restriction doesn't work; and in the same breath call for Government restriction of firearms. It's cognitive dissonance at its finest.


You realize that in the confusion of a public shooting, if every person had a gun, it could become easy for someone, including the police, to lose track of who the real shooter is, thereby possibly increasing the tragedy of such an event. Sure, it could also end the shooting really quickly and possibly prevent the tragedy, but the variable you're increasing is the amount of deadly weapons in a given area. Having a shootout isn't *necessarily* as safe for everyone around as fleeing and hiding, but this obviously depends on the environment and people density of a given area. I don't necessarily feel like your average person should worry about having to defend themselves against gunfire, sure it can happen to anyone and does happen, but I'll say that we seem to have this happen more than some other places.

As for drugs, keep the deadly stuff like heroine away from people but let the harmless, cannabis, get taxed. Because hey, free money and the cartels aren't getting paid. Not sure how it's cognitive dissonance to see weed as being ok enough not to throw thousands of people in jail each year for it, and firearms as dangerous enough to be highly regulated.
 
2012-12-12 10:30:02 AM

enochianwolf: Girion47: The sheer amount of death attributed to heart disease from obesity and you're worried about gun control?

You're priorities are whacko.


I'm not worried about the pleasant fat couple from down the street clogging their arteries with salt and fat in the mall food court, I'm worried about them getting their heads blown off by another psycho with a weapon trying to become famous.

Holmes, the Aurora shooter, purchased his assault rifle and body armor legally, yet was considered mentally unbalanced by his psychiatrist, just not diagnosed. I'll agree with Dimensio's point about providing better mental healthcare in this country as a good alternative to stricter gun control, but I believe we need a good measure of both. For example, anyone with an (R) next to their name in office is a guaranteed rubber stamp for looser gun regulations and less federal support for mental healthcare

/so vote democrat


Mcdonalds kills more people per year than any mass shooter can claim credit for.
 
2012-12-12 10:30:27 AM

enochianwolf: As for drugs, keep the deadly stuff like heroine away from people but let the harmless, cannabis, get taxed.


On what basis do you object to the presence of Wonder Woman, Power Girl and Black Canary?
 
2012-12-12 10:31:15 AM

enochianwolf: utahraptor2: I think that what it boils down to are complacent Americans who don't want to take responsibility for their own personal defense. They're terrified of having to stand up and protect themselves if necessary, and so they'd rather forfeit their liberty and its associated responsibility than show some character and take responsibility.

What I find interesting is how these individuals can advocate legalization of controlled substances because Government restriction doesn't work; and in the same breath call for Government restriction of firearms. It's cognitive dissonance at its finest.

You realize that in the confusion of a public shooting, if every person had a gun, it could become easy for someone, including the police, to lose track of who the real shooter is, thereby possibly increasing the tragedy of such an event. Sure, it could also end the shooting really quickly and possibly prevent the tragedy, but the variable you're increasing is the amount of deadly weapons in a given area. Having a shootout isn't *necessarily* as safe for everyone around as fleeing and hiding, but this obviously depends on the environment and people density of a given area. I don't necessarily feel like your average person should worry about having to defend themselves against gunfire, sure it can happen to anyone and does happen, but I'll say that we seem to have this happen more than some other places.

As for drugs, keep the deadly stuff like heroine away from people but let the harmless, cannabis, get taxed. Because hey, free money and the cartels aren't getting paid. Not sure how it's cognitive dissonance to see weed as being ok enough not to throw thousands of people in jail each year for it, and firearms as dangerous enough to be highly regulated.


I agree with you about the weed. That being said, I can't think of one instance where what you are saying has happened. Link?
 
2012-12-12 10:31:44 AM
bin.smwcentral.net
 
2012-12-12 10:32:45 AM

way south: enochianwolf: Great, another attention whore who just couldn't help himself and had to ruin innocent lives for his narcissistic, masturbatory power trip. glad he's dead, though maybe a couple other people wouldn't be had it been more difficult for him to get a "military-style" weapon. Assault weapons ban is apparently violating the 2nd amendment.

I wonder what George Washington would say if he saw teenagers walking down the street armed with AR-15s loaded with hv mags. And hey, it doesnt specify what kind of arms, lets go ahead and theorize its an NRA members wet dream and give the teens a few fragmentation grenades and flamethrowers for good measure.

How you think your trolling.

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How you're actually trolling.

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What I'm really doing:

www.nndb.com
 
2012-12-12 10:34:58 AM

Prank Monkey: It always seems like the people that call for more gun control have the least amount of firearm knowledge. That's why things like the assault weopons ban seem so stupid to people who know about guns. The assualt weopons ban was written by politicians who are clueless about the very thing they are trying to regulate.


I had a debate with a friend on this point yesterday; he being already a strict gun-control advocate is thrilled by Bob Costas' speaking out on the matter. Specifically he is frustrated that despite the consistently large number of firearm deaths (especially suicides) and crime facilitated by firearm availability, only Costas has used a large public stage to speak out on it.

I countered that Costas' factual errors and ignorance on the matter make him a bad point-man for the issue. He may do a good job speaking to the converted, but isn't going to sway anyone that can't get past his unfamiliarity with the issue. I compared it to Todd Akin's campaigning on a pro-life platform while using nonsense biology arguments to counter the pro-choice position.
 
2012-12-12 10:37:51 AM

enochianwolf: way south: enochianwolf: Great, another attention whore who just couldn't help himself and had to ruin innocent lives for his narcissistic, masturbatory power trip. glad he's dead, though maybe a couple other people wouldn't be had it been more difficult for him to get a "military-style" weapon. Assault weapons ban is apparently violating the 2nd amendment.

I wonder what George Washington would say if he saw teenagers walking down the street armed with AR-15s loaded with hv mags. And hey, it doesnt specify what kind of arms, lets go ahead and theorize its an NRA members wet dream and give the teens a few fragmentation grenades and flamethrowers for good measure.

How you think your trolling.

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How you're actually trolling.

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What I'm really doing:

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I am undecided as to whether to present Mr. Gandhi's quote condemning the British empire for disarming the Indian populace or to make reference to Mr. Gandhi's obsession with enemas.
 
2012-12-12 10:39:33 AM

Dimensio: enochianwolf: As for drugs, keep the deadly stuff like heroine away from people but let the harmless, cannabis, get taxed.

On what basis do you object to the presence of Wonder Woman, Power Girl and Black Canary?


They've been making teenage boys "chase the dragon" for decades, it must stop!
 
2012-12-12 10:42:06 AM

factoryconnection: Prank Monkey: It always seems like the people that call for more gun control have the least amount of firearm knowledge. That's why things like the assault weopons ban seem so stupid to people who know about guns. The assualt weopons ban was written by politicians who are clueless about the very thing they are trying to regulate.

I had a debate with a friend on this point yesterday; he being already a strict gun-control advocate is thrilled by Bob Costas' speaking out on the matter. Specifically he is frustrated that despite the consistently large number of firearm deaths (especially suicides) and crime facilitated by firearm availability, only Costas has used a large public stage to speak out on it.

I countered that Costas' factual errors and ignorance on the matter make him a bad point-man for the issue. He may do a good job speaking to the converted, but isn't going to sway anyone that can't get past his unfamiliarity with the issue. I compared it to Todd Akin's campaigning on a pro-life platform while using nonsense biology arguments to counter the pro-choice position.


Were you met with an intelligent response or the usual talking points and namecalling? Don't worry about responding, I already know.
 
2012-12-12 10:42:45 AM
I wonder what George Washington would say if he saw teenagers walking down the street armed with AR-15s loaded with hv mags.

Oh my god look at these horseless carriages and buildings that touch the sky! I seriously need to get some of those dentures to replace this whale bone shiat. Where do y'all keep your slaves? Oh, and avoid entangling alliances, it'll lead to shiat like ww1.
 
2012-12-12 10:45:06 AM

Dimensio: I am undecided as to whether to present Mr. Gandhi's quote condemning the British empire for disarming the Indian populace or to make reference to Mr. Gandhi's obsession with enemas.


"We may never be strong enough to be entirely nonviolent in thought, word and deed. But we must keep nonviolence as our goal and make strong progress towards it."
 
2012-12-12 10:45:34 AM

Dimensio: enochianwolf: way south: enochianwolf: Great, another attention whore who just couldn't help himself and had to ruin innocent lives for his narcissistic, masturbatory power trip. glad he's dead, though maybe a couple other people wouldn't be had it been more difficult for him to get a "military-style" weapon. Assault weapons ban is apparently violating the 2nd amendment.

I wonder what George Washington would say if he saw teenagers walking down the street armed with AR-15s loaded with hv mags. And hey, it doesnt specify what kind of arms, lets go ahead and theorize its an NRA members wet dream and give the teens a few fragmentation grenades and flamethrowers for good measure.

How you think your trolling.

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How you're actually trolling.

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What I'm really doing:

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I am undecided as to whether to present Mr. Gandhi's quote condemning the British empire for disarming the Indian populace or to make reference to Mr. Gandhi's obsession with enemas.


Or his endorsement of Hitler.
 
2012-12-12 10:47:29 AM

Girion47: enochianwolf: Girion47: The sheer amount of death attributed to heart disease from obesity and you're worried about gun control?

You're priorities are whacko.


I'm not worried about the pleasant fat couple from down the street clogging their arteries with salt and fat in the mall food court, I'm worried about them getting their heads blown off by another psycho with a weapon trying to become famous.

Holmes, the Aurora shooter, purchased his assault rifle and body armor legally, yet was considered mentally unbalanced by his psychiatrist, just not diagnosed. I'll agree with Dimensio's point about providing better mental healthcare in this country as a good alternative to stricter gun control, but I believe we need a good measure of both. For example, anyone with an (R) next to their name in office is a guaranteed rubber stamp for looser gun regulations and less federal support for mental healthcare

/so vote democrat

Mcdonalds kills more people per year than any mass shooter can claim credit for.


As far as I've seen, no one kills SOMEONE ELSE with McDonald's. That's self inflicted.
 
2012-12-12 10:47:46 AM

evilmousse: I wonder what George Washington would say if he saw teenagers walking down the street armed with AR-15s loaded with hv mags.

Oh my god look at these horseless carriages and buildings that touch the sky! I seriously need to get some of those dentures to replace this whale bone shiat. Where do y'all keep your slaves? Oh, and avoid entangling alliances, it'll lead to shiat like ww1.


...I was speaking figuratively.. the point is the 2nd amendment was created during a time in which weapons were much less lethal, and the ability to have mass-shootings from a single individual wasn't really possible.
 
2012-12-12 10:47:46 AM

enochianwolf: Dimensio: I am undecided as to whether to present Mr. Gandhi's quote condemning the British empire for disarming the Indian populace or to make reference to Mr. Gandhi's obsession with enemas.

"We may never be strong enough to be entirely nonviolent in thought, word and deed. But we must keep nonviolence as our goal and make strong progress towards it."


I will recall that philosophy should I ever be subjected to unwanted British rule and forcibly deprived of firearms. However, I do not understand how that relates to the current discussion.
 
2012-12-12 10:52:16 AM

BolshyGreatYarblocks: Balchinian: Farce-Side: Blah blah speculation blah blah outrage blah blah gun control.

People are more irrational than rational; people forget that.

/Feel confident about arguing with your wife/GF if she's packing?


D1vwife has been carrying a S&W .357 for longer than we have been married. (11 years). And not all of those years have been wine and roses.

/but then, my wife isn't a psycho.
//well, no more than other women...
 
2012-12-12 10:53:32 AM

Dimensio: I will recall that philosophy should I ever be subjected to unwanted British rule and forcibly deprived of firearms. However, I do not understand how that relates to the current discussion.


From my perspective, this is a discussion about ways to limit the recurring problem of public shootings from happening in a nation full of gun ownership... it's appropriate with regards to the quote I think.
 
2012-12-12 10:56:45 AM

QueenMamaBee: Girion47: enochianwolf: Girion47: The sheer amount of death attributed to heart disease from obesity and you're worried about gun control?

You're priorities are whacko.


I'm not worried about the pleasant fat couple from down the street clogging their arteries with salt and fat in the mall food court, I'm worried about them getting their heads blown off by another psycho with a weapon trying to become famous.

Holmes, the Aurora shooter, purchased his assault rifle and body armor legally, yet was considered mentally unbalanced by his psychiatrist, just not diagnosed. I'll agree with Dimensio's point about providing better mental healthcare in this country as a good alternative to stricter gun control, but I believe we need a good measure of both. For example, anyone with an (R) next to their name in office is a guaranteed rubber stamp for looser gun regulations and less federal support for mental healthcare

/so vote democrat

Mcdonalds kills more people per year than any mass shooter can claim credit for.

As far as I've seen, no one kills SOMEONE ELSE with McDonald's. That's self inflicted.


You don't think the marketing is to blame at all?

Either way, death from gun violence is ridiculously low to other causes of death and people just don't care about them.
 
2012-12-12 10:56:57 AM

enochianwolf: evilmousse: I wonder what George Washington would say if he saw teenagers walking down the street armed with AR-15s loaded with hv mags.

Oh my god look at these horseless carriages and buildings that touch the sky! I seriously need to get some of those dentures to replace this whale bone shiat. Where do y'all keep your slaves? Oh, and avoid entangling alliances, it'll lead to shiat like ww1.

...I was speaking figuratively.. the point is the 2nd amendment was created during a time in which weapons were much less lethal, and the ability to have mass-shootings from a single individual wasn't really possible.


There's a solution to this. Arm yourself, and kill someone if they're trying to kill you or others. Or be a victim. It's your choice. But firearms are here, and they're not going away.
 
2012-12-12 10:59:44 AM

generallyso: enochianwolf: Aurora shooter purchased his assault rifle legally, correct?

AR-15s are not assault rifles. They are semi-auto fire ONLY. The plastic stock and the scary M-16-like visual profile do not make it an assault rifle.


Let me see if I can use an analogy to describe the disconnect:

Someone who has an otherwise stock automobile, but with a 'race car' body kit, runs over someone. The car-control folks respond by saying "Ban all race cars".

But, say the car guys, race cars are already banned. You can't drive them on public roads, you have to have special liscences to be a race car driver.

But, say the car-control guys, this guy was able to buy a race car without a liscence. He was just able to walk in off the street and put a body kit on his car.

But, say the car guys, that's just a body kit. A race car is a very specific term that describes the capabilities of the car, not the way it looks. A race car has twin turbochargers, a roll-cage, a fire-extinguisher, four-point race harness, etc. etc. etc. That guy had a car that looked like a race car, but had the exact same capabilities as a mini-van

But, say the car-control guys, this guy has a car that looks exactly like a race car, so we should ban race cars

STFU, say the car guys, you don't know WTF you're talking about.


/you CAN'T just buy an assault rifle, but you can just buy something that looks like an assault rifle that is likely less deadly than most hunting rifles
//car-control is being able to hit your apex!
 
2012-12-12 11:00:53 AM

Prank Monkey: Were you met with an intelligent response or the usual talking points and namecalling? Don't worry about responding, I already know.


It was a civil discussion, though passionate. We are grown-ups and friends, after all. I had to use a fox news link to summarize the factual and logical errors in Costas' addresses on the matter, which made me feel dirty.

Approaching a discussion without the assumption that your counterpart is a fool and evil really helps make for more convincing debate. So, pretty much the opposite of everything on the internet in general, but Facebook having named players (vice anonymous) does help.
 
2012-12-12 11:02:23 AM

enochianwolf: evilmousse: I wonder what George Washington would say if he saw teenagers walking down the street armed with AR-15s loaded with hv mags.

Oh my god look at these horseless carriages and buildings that touch the sky! I seriously need to get some of those dentures to replace this whale bone shiat. Where do y'all keep your slaves? Oh, and avoid entangling alliances, it'll lead to shiat like ww1.

...I was speaking figuratively.. the point is the 2nd amendment was created during a time in which weapons were much less lethal, and the ability to have mass-shootings from a single individual wasn't really possible.


And I was pointing out in a round-about way that george's perspective would be so thrown by the modern world that I doubt he'd immediately set to applying judgements he well knows are suited to a different environment. What you call child he may call two years older than the age of conscription. Who knows, maybe he'd think something similar to colt making men equal. He'd certainly recognize the impossibility of the british subduing a populace so armed from accross the sea.
 
2012-12-12 11:02:37 AM

GRCooper: generallyso: enochianwolf: Aurora shooter purchased his assault rifle legally, correct?

AR-15s are not assault rifles. They are semi-auto fire ONLY. The plastic stock and the scary M-16-like visual profile do not make it an assault rifle.

Let me see if I can use an analogy to describe the disconnect:

Someone who has an otherwise stock automobile, but with a 'race car' body kit, runs over someone. The car-control folks respond by saying "Ban all race cars".

But, say the car guys, race cars are already banned. You can't drive them on public roads, you have to have special liscences to be a race car driver.

But, say the car-control guys, this guy was able to buy a race car without a liscence. He was just able to walk in off the street and put a body kit on his car.

But, say the car guys, that's just a body kit. A race car is a very specific term that describes the capabilities of the car, not the way it looks. A race car has twin turbochargers, a roll-cage, a fire-extinguisher, four-point race harness, etc. etc. etc. That guy had a car that looked like a race car, but had the exact same capabilities as a mini-van

But, say the car-control guys, this guy has a car that looks exactly like a race car, so we should ban race cars

STFU, say the car guys, you don't know WTF you're talking about.


/you CAN'T just buy an assault rifle, but you can just buy something that looks like an assault rifle that is likely less deadly than most hunting rifles
//car-control is being able to hit your apex!


Can we ban body kits, fake hood scoops, the stick on buick engine vents?

/Tired of seeing beemers and civics with glued on scoops trying to rev at me.
 
2012-12-12 11:05:23 AM

Dimensio: ...or to make reference to Mr. Gandhi's obsession with enemas.


Dimensio: However, I do not understand how that relates to the current discussion.


You're Clacka me up.
 
2012-12-12 11:05:36 AM

GRCooper: /you CAN'T just buy an assault rifle, but you can just buy something that looks like an assault rifle that is likely less deadly than most hunting rifles


And the AR-15 is chambered in a centerfire .22 cartridge. It's renowned for its accuracy, not its lethality. It's a varmint control caliber, FFS. That pistol grip or matte black finish doesn't do anything to make it any more or less dangerous.
 
2012-12-12 11:05:39 AM
I keep seeing a disconnect here between those saying 'assault rifles' are banned, and those that say they aren't.
Let me explain this to both camps;

People who understand guns know that in truth, 'Assault Rifles' must be, by the very definition of the term, fully automatic - among other traits - and not available to civilians under pretty much any circumstances.

People who fear guns use the term 'Assault Rifle' in a way that means 'anything that looks scary, regardless of function or purpose'. These are not actually assault rifles they are speaking of, but the term sounds scary enough they get addicted to saying it. I have seen .22 squirrel rifles referred to as 'assault rifles' because they had a black synthetic stock instead of a classic wood one. I have seen a speaker that used so broadly as to to mean 'any firearm with a magazine' (so anything other than a revolver I guess?)

/BTW, manufacture and sale of fully automatic weapons to civilians -was- actually legal up until 1986, and those weapons owned before that are still legal to own privately. There are tens of thousands of them out there currently.
//Guess the number of crimes committed with them since 1939 when records started being kept?
///Hint, its larger than one and smaller than three.
 
2012-12-12 11:06:00 AM

GRCooper: generallyso: enochianwolf: Aurora shooter purchased his assault rifle legally, correct?

AR-15s are not assault rifles. They are semi-auto fire ONLY. The plastic stock and the scary M-16-like visual profile do not make it an assault rifle.

Let me see if I can use an analogy to describe the disconnect:

Someone who has an otherwise stock automobile, but with a 'race car' body kit, runs over someone. The car-control folks respond by saying "Ban all race cars".

But, say the car guys, race cars are already banned. You can't drive them on public roads, you have to have special liscences to be a race car driver.

But, say the car-control guys, this guy was able to buy a race car without a liscence. He was just able to walk in off the street and put a body kit on his car.

But, say the car guys, that's just a body kit. A race car is a very specific term that describes the capabilities of the car, not the way it looks. A race car has twin turbochargers, a roll-cage, a fire-extinguisher, four-point race harness, etc. etc. etc. That guy had a car that looked like a race car, but had the exact same capabilities as a mini-van

But, say the car-control guys, this guy has a car that looks exactly like a race car, so we should ban race cars

STFU, say the car guys, you don't know WTF you're talking about.


/you CAN'T just buy an assault rifle, but you can just buy something that looks like an assault rifle that is likely less deadly than most hunting rifles
//car-control is being able to hit your apex!


In fact, vehicle regulation advocates have already proposed an intelligent solution to the problem of race cars in public.
 
2012-12-12 11:09:05 AM

Girion47: Can we ban body kits, fake hood scoops, the stick on buick engine vents?


Yes, yes, yes! Last week saw a guy driving a new (still had dealers tags) Shelby GT500. He had put those atrocious fake vents on the side. I died a little bit that day (a little bit more that normal).
 
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