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(WTOP)   Problem: Worn, dirty, personalized license plates are difficult for some traffic cameras to read, which may impact $afety. Solution: Mandatory RF transponders in all license plates. Welcome to America, citizen   (wtop.com) divider line 78
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2012-12-12 12:07:14 AM
If you had a chip in each of your extremities, not only would the authorities know were you are, they would have a good idea what you are up to.
 
2012-12-12 12:17:32 AM
Put a transponder in my license plate and it'll spend ten seconds in the microwave to kill it.

I also demagnetized the magnetic strip on my driver's license.
 
2012-12-12 12:17:50 AM
$65-70,000 a year. A nice chunk of change to be sure. But in the overall budget, its just change.
How about getting rid of a few fat suits with shiny shoes that probably drive free vehicles and don't pay tolls themselves.
That would more than double in making up for the lost revenue.
 
2012-12-12 12:24:01 AM

DownDaRiver: $65-70,000 a year. A nice chunk of change to be sure. But in the overall budget, its just change.
How about getting rid of a few fat suits with shiny shoes that probably drive free vehicles and don't pay tolls themselves.
That would more than double in making up for the lost revenue.



Dumping just one fat suit would do the job.


/But the "lost revenue" is just an excuse
//Big Brother is watching you
///And he wants binoculars
 
2012-12-12 12:25:18 AM
plates that are framed or covered in plastic

Didn't Mythbusters bust that one?
 
2012-12-12 12:50:24 AM

fusillade762: plates that are framed or covered in plastic

Didn't Mythbusters bust that one?



Hah!

Mythbusters are secretly on the payroll of FoxNews and the Koch Brothers!
 
2012-12-12 01:07:50 AM

fusillade762: plates that are framed or covered in plastic

Didn't Mythbusters bust that one?


They busted every license plate blocker IIRC. Of course, we could always tinfoil up and say they didn't show the REAL method of beating it.
 
2012-12-12 02:41:46 AM
You just know that the solution to the $70,000 problem will cost millions.
 
2012-12-12 03:48:41 AM
Texas has this program where different toll authorities can cross charge each other. The intent is that one person can drive on most tollways and use a single tolltag. The reality of it is that the O in my license plate results in faulty OCR and whatever toll authority issuing a fine when they can't charge a toll to me because they think my plate ends in 0.

The really farked up thing is that even though the OCR fails to find me to charge the toll correctly, somewhere a process exists to actually apply logic to find me and send me a ticket for a toll violation even though a license plate with my combination but ending in 0 does not exist. So basically they can take the time to find out the real plate number to issue me a ticket, but they can't take that next logical leap and check to see if a toll account actually exists for the real plate number.
 
2012-12-12 04:53:25 AM
Can't the police just pull people over who have dirty plates? It seems like you could just pass a law that made dirty plates illegal and rake in the revenue you'd otherwise lose to traffic cameras.
 
2012-12-12 05:08:23 AM
I just walk and flip off every security camera I see. yes, even in the grocery store while I fondle their peaches and apricots. so firm...so juicy.

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2012-12-12 05:14:09 AM
Don't worry about the rfid thing; It's just an anchor. Float that possibility, and then when you "only" go with the plan to force all plates to have a barcode, it will seem less invasive.
 
2012-12-12 05:21:58 AM
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2012-12-12 05:24:57 AM
Register your displeasure immediately!

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AverageAmericanGuy: Can't the police just pull people over who have dirty plates? It seems like you could just pass a law that made dirty plates illegal and rake in the revenue you'd otherwise lose to traffic cameras.


Yeah, most states have laws about plates being obscured in any way. But you can still legally let grime build up on your hands for years, thereby filling in and obscuring your fingerprints, before committing a crime, so there's that.

/Stinkpalm?
 
2012-12-12 05:30:50 AM
It should be noted, that $48,763 of the lost revenue figure, is the cost of finding out what the lost revenue is.
 
2012-12-12 05:37:05 AM
What is up with us having nonstandard plates with serif fonts? I see some out of state ones that are orange with tin-colored letters/numbers. Plus I've seen pick-up trucks with these knobs on the back (I think it's for attaching things to the truck) that block the middle letters of the plate.

I say we just copy Europe on this one. They can keep their sirens, though.
 
2012-12-12 05:37:51 AM

OldJames: It should be noted, that $48,763 of the lost revenue figure, is the cost of finding out what the lost revenue is.


I think you dropped a zero.
 
2012-12-12 05:40:21 AM
busy work for chump change. more do-nothings that should removed and replaced from their positions. way too many dooshbags in office feel serving the public is finding ways to track and fine the population.
 
2012-12-12 05:41:07 AM
Erm... license plates should be readable?
 
2012-12-12 05:44:41 AM

Tommy Moo: Don't worry about the rfid thing; It's just an anchor. Float that possibility, and then when you "only" go with the plan to force all plates to have a barcode, it will seem less invasive.


how is a bar code more invasive than a number?
 
2012-12-12 05:48:16 AM
...and when it arrives, I'll smash it with a hammer!
 
2012-12-12 05:58:52 AM
Passive RFID scanners every tenth of a mile on the highway to automatically calculate and give speeding tickets!
 
2012-12-12 06:00:43 AM
all it would take would be a can of spray paint to rewrite the barcode or screw it up
 
2012-12-12 06:09:47 AM
bulldg4life,
Passive RFID scanners every tenth of a mile on the highway to automatically calculate and give speeding tickets!

They already do as a companion to the standard speed camera. Just use visual information.
 
2012-12-12 06:11:50 AM
FTA: The study estimates the Commonwealth loses between each year from unreadable plates.

I interpret that as "citizens get to keep between $65,446.73 and $70,474.73 of the money they earned each year"
 
2012-12-12 06:12:21 AM
log_jammin
Tommy Moo: Don't worry about the rfid thing; It's just an anchor. Float that possibility, and then when you "only" go with the plan to force all plates to have a barcode, it will seem less invasive.
how is a bar code more invasive than a number?


When that blue camry that just hit that kid drives off, how you read the barcode on it?
 
2012-12-12 06:14:16 AM
Hmmmm, a transponder in my license plate? And then my licence plate in a large pot of boiling water for 15 minute to half an hour, just to make sure it is clean, sterile and pretty... should do the trick.

/it's all about health and $afety, after all...
 
2012-12-12 06:19:22 AM

jtown: OldJames: It should be noted, that $48,763 of the lost revenue figure, is the cost of finding out what the lost revenue is.

I think you dropped a zero.


That was the cost of finding out where the lost revenue was going.
 
2012-12-12 06:19:41 AM

Enemabag Jones: log_jammin
Tommy Moo: Don't worry about the rfid thing; It's just an anchor. Float that possibility, and then when you "only" go with the plan to force all plates to have a barcode, it will seem less invasive.
how is a bar code more invasive than a number?

When that blue camry that just hit that kid drives off, how you read the barcode on it?


I would assume there would still be a number on the plate. But either way, still doesn't make it "invasive".
 
2012-12-12 06:37:51 AM

Enemabag Jones: log_jammin
Tommy Moo: Don't worry about the rfid thing; It's just an anchor. Float that possibility, and then when you "only" go with the plan to force all plates to have a barcode, it will seem less invasive.
how is a bar code more invasive than a number?

When that blue camry that just hit that kid drives off, how you read the barcode on it?


iPhone?
 
2012-12-12 06:38:38 AM
You americans always yammer on about your right to bear arms, but when the right and morally legitimate occasion to actually use said weapons arises, you pussy out just like the rest of the western civilization and do nothing.

So again, why are the average americans so appaled at the prospect of gun control?
 
2012-12-12 06:48:53 AM

Public Savant: You americans always yammer on about your right to bear arms, but when the right and morally legitimate occasion to actually use said weapons arises, you pussy out just like the rest of the western civilization and do nothing.

So again, why are the average americans so appaled at the prospect of gun control?


When you take away someone's guns, you take away their means to resist the government.
 
2012-12-12 06:53:04 AM

Public Savant: You americans always yammer on about your right to bear arms, but when the right and morally legitimate occasion to actually use said weapons arises, you pussy out just like the rest of the western civilization and do nothing.

So again, why are the average americans so appaled at the prospect of gun control?


So you are of the opinion that something like putting RFID chips in license plates is worthy of thousands or tens of thousands of deaths, despite the fact that there are still democratic mechanisms in place to change it should the will of the people decide this is a bad thing?

Really?

Just in case you are super-dense, like a Europeon, here is the standard by which Second Amendment solutions *MUST* be judged:

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

We ain't there yet. Not by a long shot.
 
2012-12-12 06:55:32 AM
Has anyone seen my portable spark-gap transmitter? I remember setting it down next to an RFID reading red light camera, but I can't seem to remember which one it was.
 
2012-12-12 06:56:12 AM
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2012-12-12 07:10:49 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Can't the police just pull people over who have dirty plates? It seems like you could just pass a law that made dirty plates illegal and rake in the revenue you'd otherwise lose to traffic cameras.


There usually is a law against obstructed/illegilble plates, and Ohio can force you to buy new ones if your old ones are irreparably illegible.

OTOH, our tollbooths employ people, not cameras. EZPass is available as an opt-in, not mandatory for all drivers. (And, in a shocking development, the pay booths are at the exits, not at the entrance or some random spot in the middle)
 
2012-12-12 07:12:31 AM
Won't it cost money to make these new implanted license plates? I can't wait to see who will be footing the bill.
 
2012-12-12 07:13:30 AM
Right here is proof, you can cut taxes all you want.

But pretty soon revenue will be squeezed from other available sources, and soon outright stupid mission creep kicks in from related agencies.
 
2012-12-12 07:18:39 AM
These numbers are ridiculous:

$65,446.73 and $70,474.73


How did that 73 cents pop in there? This sounds like someone trying to be sciency but not quite getting it.
 
2012-12-12 07:23:50 AM

Tommy Moo: Don't worry about the rfid thing; It's just an anchor. Float that possibility, and then when you "only" go with the plan to force all plates to have a barcode, it will seem less invasive.


RFID would be infinitely easier to tamper with. Id install an electronic emitter to emulate whatever codes i wanted.

I dont see the bar code thing holding much water... you still need humans to be able to quickly and easily read a plate without the assistance of a machine.

Although it would be pretty easy to mess up a bar code too.

I guess I could see adding a thin bar code at the bottom or something, but with modern computers its really not any harder to read letters of a predetermined font than it is a bar code.. the machines they already have doing this are pretty good at it.
 
2012-12-12 07:32:15 AM
Alonjar
RFID would be infinitely easier to tamper with. Id install an electronic emitter to emulate whatever codes i wanted.


At least with plates you know when they are stolen. The creative chaos that could be done with altering rfid would be mindboggling.

/Some bureaucrat not thinking about unintended consequences thought of this.
 
2012-12-12 07:41:30 AM
System is ancient. Don't blame anybody but the owners of said system for not keeping it up to date.
 
2012-12-12 07:42:24 AM
Toll cameras, not traffic cameras, Subliterate.
 
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2012-12-12 07:43:00 AM

L.D. Ablo: Put a transponder in my license plate and it'll spend ten seconds in the microwave to kill it.

I also demagnetized the magnetic strip on my driver's license.


You should wear aluminum foil on your head so they don't hack your brain.
 
2012-12-12 07:43:27 AM
Amerika
 
2012-12-12 07:46:36 AM

swingerofbirches: What is up with us having nonstandard plates with serif fonts? I see some out of state ones that are orange with tin-colored letters/numbers. Plus I've seen pick-up trucks with these knobs on the back (I think it's for attaching things to the truck) that block the middle letters of the plate.

I say we just copy Europe on this one. They can keep their sirens, though.


Because it was just supposed to be a license number. The whole using it for remote surveillance came later.
 
2012-12-12 07:46:47 AM

GAT_00: fusillade762: plates that are framed or covered in plastic

Didn't Mythbusters bust that one?

They busted every license plate blocker IIRC. Of course, we could always tinfoil up and say they didn't show the REAL method of beating it.


the ones with plastic covers don't work by themselves, but over time the covers get so grody and dirty you literally can't read the plate behind them. So they work - but not by design lol.
 
2012-12-12 07:51:19 AM
I'd be OK with this as long as the speed limit along all interstates was raised to 85 outside of the city and 65 inside.

/not really..tracking and all that
//people have a constitutional right to privacy
 
2012-12-12 07:57:16 AM
I always wondered why there isn't some sort of chip sewn into footballs and sensors along the sides of the field so that they could tell with certainty where the ball was downed.

It's 2012 and we're still using a pole on a chain?

I'm sorry, what were we talking about again?
 
2012-12-12 08:08:56 AM
Why do I have the feeling that these nitwits are going to start spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to save 65,000?
 
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