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2012-12-12 12:05:24 AM  
I like this idea.
 
2012-12-12 12:12:14 AM  

SilentStrider: I like this idea.


I don't.
 
2012-12-12 12:18:09 AM  
I think he's just yankin' our crank
 
2012-12-12 12:23:30 AM  
i.qkme.me
 
2012-12-12 12:33:04 AM  
TTIUWOP
 
2012-12-12 12:57:45 AM  
I think prostitution ought to be legal, but lets not kid ourselves either. Look up the word panacea, Hof you fat Fark.
 
2012-12-12 01:00:28 AM  
As a wise man once said (well, George Carlin, so I guess that still applies)

Selling is legal, farking is legal, why isn't selling farking legal?
 
2012-12-12 02:11:29 AM  
*scans headline*

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-12 03:56:41 AM  
Go to this site Link NSFW you'll see hundreds of ads with thousands reviews. Just think if every transaction was taxed 5 dollars America would be debt free.
 
2012-12-12 04:12:11 AM  
Or you could just increase taxes on the super-rich by 5%
 
2012-12-12 04:12:19 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: As a wise man once said (well, George Carlin, so I guess that still applies)

Selling is legal, farking is legal, why isn't selling farking legal?


Kids might get ideas. Or Jeezus. Or something.
 
2012-12-12 04:16:25 AM  
That'll cost extra.
 
2012-12-12 04:17:40 AM  
In amsterdam so getting a kick

/ consderIng contributing to the tax base...
 
2012-12-12 04:17:49 AM  

Gyrfalcon: FirstNationalBastard: As a wise man once said (well, George Carlin, so I guess that still applies)

Selling is legal, farking is legal, why isn't selling farking legal?

Kids might get ideas. Or Jeezus. Or something.


One might even think being a lawyer type is too hard and go for it if it were commonplace ; )
/You should know I'm joking.
//Well somewhat.
///Wait what is the difference between a prostitute and a lawyer?
 
2012-12-12 04:18:40 AM  
Sorry; )
 
2012-12-12 04:22:24 AM  
I think you'd probably have an easier time legalizing prostitution than marijuana - there's a lot less money in vice enforcement than narcotic enforcement.

/I'd support it as long as it's done the way they do in Nevada - weekly checkups, mandatory condom usage etc.
 
2012-12-12 04:23:27 AM  
Speaking of cliffs, do it at the edge of the cliff. They will naturally push baaaaaaack away from the cliff.
 
2012-12-12 04:31:24 AM  

Mock26: Speaking of cliffs, do it at the edge of the cliff. They will naturally push baaaaaaack away from the cliff.


Depends on if you're farking a sheep or a lemming.
 
2012-12-12 04:31:39 AM  
FTA : He told The Huffington Post that the federal government would do well to cut itself in on the "recession proof" business of prostitution by legalizing and taxing it.

Yeah, no.

Everyone who works for a legit business currently, and is taxed/regulated in doing so, is a prostitute in one field or another.

Adding one more group to the paying bunch wont mean shiat U.S. budget-wise... gag reflex or no. 

I'm all for legalizing and regulating/taxing "Escort Services", but dont pretend you're working to defeat the Nazis.
 
2012-12-12 04:32:44 AM  
There would need to be a lot of legal protection and recourse for sex workers if it was legal (male and female), but you might as well. People are going to pay for sex wether it's legal or not, and no amount of prosecution will ever stop it.

/ever.
 
2012-12-12 04:33:36 AM  
Never thought that prostitution would be illegal in the USA ! Unbelievable......
So is it because you like organized crime ? Or because you prefer to have working girls abused ?
 
2012-12-12 04:38:51 AM  

borg: Go to this site Link NSFW you'll see hundreds of ads with thousands reviews. Just think if every transaction was taxed 5 dollars America would be debt free.


If it were legal, I wonder what role the government would play. Money and sexually transmitted diseases would obviously be top priorities.

/imagining what a whoring license would look like
 
2012-12-12 04:42:42 AM  
There is a reason it's called "the oldest profession," make it clean & safe for the sex workers with benefits, 401k the whole deal.
A. Cuts STDs, if sex workers can go to the doctor, get tested regularly etc...
B. cuts into the illegal sex trade / human trafficking with standards and regulations. Not a big bureaucracy. Simple & smart.
C. New source of tax revenues

IMO, those who are so inclined, will see sex workers regardless of legality. There is a huge underground sex trade market that should be made legitimate & regulated for health & safety purposes & tapped into for revenue purposes.

/but think of the children...
//gimme a farking break!! Look around sex is everywhere.
 
2012-12-12 04:44:51 AM  

Ostman: There would need to be a lot of legal protection and recourse for sex workers if it was legal (male and female), but you might as well. People are going to pay for sex wether it's legal or not, and no amount of prosecution will ever stop it.

/ever.


Yup.
 
2012-12-12 04:48:13 AM  
As long as I can still get a "massage" from a young looking Asian girl who can't speak English and sobs uncontrollably, I'm okay with this.
 
2012-12-12 04:48:40 AM  

bukijin: Never thought that prostitution would be illegal in the USA ! Unbelievable......
So is it because you like organized crime ? Or because you prefer to have working girls abused ?


The country doesnt want to facilitate through law the destruction of a persons life.

Nothing wrong with cash businesses though. That money finds its way into the economy soon enough.
 
2012-12-12 04:50:57 AM  
Maybe is we put God back in the brothels, prostitutes would be having all the problems they are now.
 
2012-12-12 04:51:39 AM  

faeriefay: There is a reason it's called "the oldest profession," make it clean & safe for the sex workers with benefits, 401k the whole deal.
A. Cuts STDs, if sex workers can go to the doctor, get tested regularly etc...


How, exactly?
 
2012-12-12 04:52:09 AM  
Prostitution, marijuana, and a lot of the illegal drugs are things that should be legalized.

-Economically it is better (taxes).
-Economically it is better (significant reduction costs to chase after these criminals, and significant reduction in costs trying to prevent things from crossing the border).
-Economically it is better (significant reduction in cost for the penal system).
-Socially it is better (It allows for rehabilitation of non-violent criminals (drug users) rather than turning them into career criminals).
-Safety it is better (Safety as far as the sex trade goes, regulation and quality control from the drug stand point).


It is not like as things stand now there is no prostitution, no marijuana use, and no illegal drug use, all those things are going to happen. It is just a question of whether you want those things being done in a controlled fashion at an increase in revenue and decrease in cost or whether you would rather dirty red light districts, drug wars along the border, a penal system that feeds itself, and higher costs all around in both monetary and in human life.
 
2012-12-12 04:55:14 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Wait what is the difference between a prostitute and a lawyer?


One is a soulless, amoral, money-grabbing blight on the public morality, and the other has sex with you.
 
2012-12-12 04:58:03 AM  
Or on top of. Or underneath. Or through a sheet (if you're into that kind of thing).
 
2012-12-12 05:05:17 AM  

sexorcisst: faeriefay: There is a reason it's called "the oldest profession," make it clean & safe for the sex workers with benefits, 401k the whole deal.
A. Cuts STDs, if sex workers can go to the doctor, get tested regularly etc...

How, exactly?


notsure if serious.jpg
 
2012-12-12 05:08:37 AM  
Is there any reason besides Jesus as to why it's illegal in the first place? Lap dances are legal and that's practically sex. You can get to third anyway.
 
2012-12-12 05:10:54 AM  

Father_Jack: sexorcisst: faeriefay: There is a reason it's called "the oldest profession," make it clean & safe for the sex workers with benefits, 401k the whole deal.
A. Cuts STDs, if sex workers can go to the doctor, get tested regularly etc...

How, exactly?

notsure if serious.jpg


Serious. How are you going to monitor both prostitute and customer and make sure the rules are being followed?
 
2012-12-12 05:14:51 AM  
I guess this would be a great idea if everything you knew about prostitution came from reruns of 'Pretty Women' and 'Trading Places' on the USA network.
 
2012-12-12 05:18:09 AM  
Should prostitution be legal? Probably. Would it solve our budget crisis? Hell no. $30 billion a year, taxed at even a 50% rate, wouldn't make a dent.
 
2012-12-12 05:23:30 AM  

Mugato: Is there any reason besides Jesus as to why it's illegal in the first place? Lap dances are legal and that's practically sex. You can get to third anyway.


Because frigid housewives hate competition.

/I keed.
 
2012-12-12 05:30:12 AM  

sexorcisst: Father_Jack: sexorcisst: faeriefay: There is a reason it's called "the oldest profession," make it clean & safe for the sex workers with benefits, 401k the whole deal.
A. Cuts STDs, if sex workers can go to the doctor, get tested regularly etc...

How, exactly?

notsure if serious.jpg

Serious. How are you going to monitor both prostitute and customer and make sure the rules are being followed?


Peopel who work in the sex industry are generally speaking super careful about using protection.

If the environment is safe for the worker and the client, and there is proper security (ie, not in the jons car but in a place where there's security and rules), the services are worked out, paid for, and mandated to be conducted using condoms. As the workers are employees of legitimate businesses, they have access to healthcare and are required to get screened regularly. This way if they catch something it is noticed immediately and isn't spread for months. However, as the contact tends to be safe the spread of disease is lower than amongst porn workers, or so sayeth an article on this very website a few weeks back.

Contrast this with the underworld variety of prostitution practiced in countries where its illegal: the jons wield more power and can force the women to engage in unsafe practices more, condoms are not always mandated, and the women generally speaking are not screened and treated as well. So there is a greater likelihood of infection occurring duing a transaction, and an infected worker will probably spread it for a longer time.

Is this what you mean?
 
2012-12-12 05:31:18 AM  

TomD9938: bukijin: Never thought that prostitution would be illegal in the USA ! Unbelievable......
So is it because you like organized crime ? Or because you prefer to have working girls abused ?

The country doesnt want to facilitate through law the destruction of a persons life.


Prostitution doesn't destroy anyone's life (assuming condoms). You'd have a point if you were talking about something like heroin, which people do kill themselves with. A lot of voters would oppose legalizing smack because they don't want to countenance self-destruction. However, prostitution is more analogous to cannabis -- it may be associated with being a loser, but it won't make you one.

Having met many whores in my life and got to know some of them, I can tell you with certainty that prostitution is never the prime problem of their life. Likely, it is their response to the prime problem of their life (and probably the best one open to them). Banning prostitution is like dealing with the problem of drowning victims thrashing and screaming in your local lake -- by banning thrashing and screaming. To the extent that you could enforce it, you succeed only in making yourself feel better by hiding the fact that there are distressed people among you, but you can't enforce it; people will save themselves as best they can, regardless of threats to punish them for doing so.

Mostly though, I think claims of sympathy for whores by people who want to jail them "for their own good" are hypocritical shiate. I'll have banged my last whore if the people who claim concern for their welfare simply paid them to go home to their families rather than with me. It ain't happening because such people actually despise whores, don't give a fark about them, don't want to be reminded that they exist; and that's why they're all for sending the police to hunt them down for earning a living (out of moral concern) but don't care if they starve to death.

Feel sorry for whores? I've fed dozens. What have you done for them?
 
2012-12-12 05:48:04 AM  

ModernLuddite: As long as I can still get a "massage" from a young looking Asian girl who can't speak English and sobs uncontrollably, I'm okay with this.


i like when they cry and call me "Daddy" in broken English.

--- in all cereal, nothing is going to save the big bad of USA government spending because we are dealing with arseholes who live their careers making bad decisions. they are like a stupid relative that farks up every week week after month after year until its just not amusing any more.

if Mr&Mrs Wealthy Bastards wrote a magic check and bought USA debt to $0.00 we all know the jackwagons of WashDC would have us back in debt in a matter of weeks. Weeks. Very wealthy powerful families own the corporations/government, and making more money off the backs of the little people is the blood in their veins and the air that they breathe.
 
2012-12-12 05:57:17 AM  
tinfoil-hat maggie: ...
///Wait what is the difference between a prostitute and a lawyer?

one you pay to fark the other you pay to fark you ?
 
2012-12-12 05:57:42 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie:
What is the difference between a prostitute and a lawyer?


You screw a prostitute instead of the other way around.
 
2012-12-12 05:58:20 AM  

Mimic_Octopus: tinfoil-hat maggie: ...
///Wait what is the difference between a prostitute and a lawyer?

one you pay to fark the other you pay to fark you ?


Evidence that sleep helps punch lines.
 
2012-12-12 06:08:04 AM  

mike_d85: Mimic_Octopus: tinfoil-hat maggie: ...
///Wait what is the difference between a prostitute and a lawyer?

one you pay to fark the other you pay to fark you ?

Evidence that sleep helps punch lines.


sweet.
 
2012-12-12 06:19:12 AM  

Father_Jack: sexorcisst: Father_Jack: sexorcisst: faeriefay: There is a reason it's called "the oldest profession," make it clean & safe for the sex workers with benefits, 401k the whole deal.
A. Cuts STDs, if sex workers can go to the doctor, get tested regularly etc...

How, exactly?

notsure if serious.jpg

Serious. How are you going to monitor both prostitute and customer and make sure the rules are being followed?

Peopel who work in the sex industry are generally speaking super careful about using protection.

If the environment is safe for the worker and the client, and there is proper security (ie, not in the jons car but in a place where there's security and rules), the services are worked out, paid for, and mandated to be conducted using condoms. As the workers are employees of legitimate businesses, they have access to healthcare and are required to get screened regularly. This way if they catch something it is noticed immediately and isn't spread for months. However, as the contact tends to be safe the spread of disease is lower than amongst porn workers, or so sayeth an article on this very website a few weeks back.

Contrast this with the underworld variety of prostitution practiced in countries where its illegal: the jons wield more power and can force the women to engage in unsafe practices more, condoms are not always mandated, and the women generally speaking are not screened and treated as well. So there is a greater likelihood of infection occurring duing a transaction, and an infected worker will probably spread it for a longer time.

Is this what you mean?


Well, while it would be better regulated than criminal prostitution, would it still be considered acceptable? Like you said, there are a ton of variables - environment, worker, client, security, ect. How much testing is enough? Who is doing the testing? How often? Do they have rights to any privacy? I'm picturing this as a very grey area. Is there any incentive for the clients or workers to go by the books, or will people just go around the system carelessly for under the table cash?
 
2012-12-12 06:22:15 AM  
The only issue with legalizing brothels is I think there are certain jobs, prostitution being the first one to come to mind, that should be regulated differently when it comes to unemployment. It fine to tell someone they have to take whatever job they can get or they lose their unemployment benefits, until jobs like prostitute and stripper are on that list. You know how the Republicans like to cut benefits and if it increases the number of waifs in the titty bars they'll be even happier. I'd also include sparring partner on that list.
 
2012-12-12 06:35:05 AM  

faeriefay: There is a reason it's called "the oldest profession," make it clean & safe for the sex workers with benefits, 401k the whole deal.
A. Cuts STDs, if sex workers can go to the doctor, get tested regularly etc...
B. cuts into the illegal sex trade / human trafficking with standards and regulations. Not a big bureaucracy. Simple & smart.
C. New source of tax revenues

IMO, those who are so inclined, will see sex workers regardless of legality. There is a huge underground sex trade market that should be made legitimate & regulated for health & safety purposes & tapped into for revenue purposes.

/but think of the children...
//gimme a farking break!! Look around sex is everywhere.


Criminalizing prostitution has nothing to do with children or some outdated ethical code. It's a mechanism to keep those in the cycle of poverty.
 
2012-12-12 06:40:36 AM  

sexorcisst: Well, while it would be better regulated than criminal prostitution, would it still be considered acceptable? Like you said, there are a ton of variables - environment, worker, client, security, ect. How much testing is enough? Who is doing the testing? How often? Do they have rights to any privacy? I'm picturing this as a very grey area. Is there any incentive for the clients or workers to go by the books, or will people just go around the system carelessly for under the table cash?


Legalized, it would be an OSHA issue, plain and simple. Does every painter in the shipyard wear his respirator? Does every welder wear his helmet? Even when he could work faster without it? Do foremen ever pressure this or look the other way for the sake of productivity?

Probably it happens. Probably it doesn't happen all that often -- partly because workers know they have a cause for action against their employer if they are asked to endanger themselves illegally, and partly because one case of flash burns or one lungful of paint is all it takes for a shop to be invaded by a pack of merciless investigators bent on finding someone to nail to a cross over it.

If brothels were similarly regulated, a whore in hospital with HIV would bring down the roof on the management. It would happen, but self-interest would keep it mighty rare (and a hell of a lot more rare than it is now).
 
2012-12-12 06:43:55 AM  

HoratioGates: The only issue with legalizing brothels is I think there are certain jobs, prostitution being the first one to come to mind, that should be regulated differently when it comes to unemployment. It fine to tell someone they have to take whatever job they can get or they lose their unemployment benefits, until jobs like prostitute and stripper are on that list. You know how the Republicans like to cut benefits and if it increases the number of waifs in the titty bars they'll be even happier. I'd also include sparring partner on that list.


An excellent point. This has in fact already come up in Germany...not sure how they dealt with it.
 
2012-12-12 06:44:28 AM  
The town in which I attended college had a brothel law on the books. The law made it illegal for more than three women with different last names (and no ancestral relationship) to live in the same house.

So none of the sorority houses could serve as student dwelling. Dormitories weren't classified as residential homes so they could still operate. This rule also applied only to women as the fraternity houses were completely legal.

This was in 2007.
 
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