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(The Detroit_News)   Union members in Michigan engage in polite discussion with those who have an opposing viewpoint. Just kidding, they beat a Fox News reporter, sucker punch him, then collapse a tent on top of women and old people   (detroitnews.com ) divider line
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2012-12-12 04:45:19 AM  

super_grass: to TEA Party protesters had they been goaded by reporters


do you have video of that?
 
2012-12-12 04:45:47 AM  

I sound fat: homelessdude: video man: Good. It's about time we start using old school tactics.

I was just about to say the same thing. Enough is enough.

YEAH! screw those people who want a right to work decent wages and working conditions without being forced to pay to be in your club working for them!


FTFY
 
2012-12-12 04:46:54 AM  
What is this about?
/Sorry I am clueless
 
2012-12-12 04:46:55 AM  
Righties: Ya know how unfair it feels when the Lefties tell you that you are racist because they saw a picture of a Rightie being racist?

Well, saying :union members" punched a reporter because one did.....
 
2012-12-12 04:47:03 AM  

I sound fat: YEAH! screw those people who want a right to work without being forced to pay to be in your club!


odd how the only workers the GOP cares about are the ones who don't want to pay union dues.
 
2012-12-12 04:47:59 AM  

video man: Good. It's about time we start using old school tactics.


Just like Papa Joe used to use. Like in the good old days when it was acceptable to kill hundreds of millions because college professors agreed with you.
 
2012-12-12 04:48:05 AM  

log_jammin: I sound fat: YEAH! screw those people who want a right to work without being forced to pay to be in your club!

odd how the only workers the GOP cares about are the ones who don't want to pay union dues.


So, its okay to force people to be in your club?
 
2012-12-12 04:48:06 AM  

I sound fat: Righties: Ya know how unfair it feels when the Lefties tell you that you are racist because they saw a picture of a Rightie being racist?

Well, saying :union members" punched a reporter because one did.....


....and one broke it up. so I guess that means all union members break up fights.
 
2012-12-12 04:48:27 AM  

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: "What happens when a Republican gets back in the White House and starts dismantling protections and pro-labor enforcement?"



Tell me more about how Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. dismantled union protections (especially in Michigan) and sent the labor landscape back to 1920.
 
2012-12-12 04:49:43 AM  

Relatively Obscure: GAT_00: Relatively Obscure: log_jammin: Crowder said "Dana, they literally would have killed me where I stood if I'd of fought back and defended myself after the sucker punch. They literally would have torn me limb-from-limb."

I'd love for someone to point to where in the video that he valiantly fought back to save his life.

DNRTFA or whatever, but I think your quote is him specifically saying he did NOT fight back valiantly and WHY he may appear to be a huge wimpoid to Red Blooded America.

/Shouldn't really attack this guy. It's at best akin to attacking WBC clowns.

I can't really blame someone for attacking their enemy.

I think you can and do sometimes.


If you ever retort against GAT, he will cry to the fat mods and they will ban you. It's happened before.
 
2012-12-12 04:49:48 AM  

I sound fat: So, its okay to force people to be in your club?


So you think the GOP is upset that people are being "forced to join a club" and decided to put a stop to it?
 
2012-12-12 04:50:26 AM  

I sound fat: Righties: Ya know how unfair it feels when the Lefties tell you that you are racist because they saw a picture of a Rightie being racist?

Well, saying :union members" punched a reporter because one guy in a union jacket did.....


FTFY. In a world where Republicans champion scum like James O'Keefe, I'm taking this with several grains of salt. Seriously, someone seems to live up to the 'Union thug' stereotype in front of a Fox News camera? Not impossible, but definitely suspicious.
 
2012-12-12 04:50:42 AM  

log_jammin: super_grass: to TEA Party protesters had they been goaded by reporters

do you have video of that?


I think you're trying to not get the point and instead is trying to bring up a red herring.
 
2012-12-12 04:52:29 AM  

log_jammin: I sound fat: So, its okay to force people to be in your club?

So you think the GOP is upset that people are being "forced to join a club" and decided to put a stop to it?


Well, im not GOP, but I know I dont want to be in a union.

Why does everything have to be D v R?
 
2012-12-12 04:53:58 AM  

log_jammin: I sound fat: So, its okay to force people to be in your club?

So you think the GOP is upset that people are being "forced to join a club" and decided to put a stop to it?


Again, so its OKAY to require someone to think like you to work in your shop?
 
2012-12-12 04:54:29 AM  

LordJiro: I sound fat: homelessdude: video man: Good. It's about time we start using old school tactics.

I was just about to say the same thing. Enough is enough.

YEAH! screw those people who want a right to work decent wages and working conditions without being forced to pay to be in your club working for them!

FTFY


If people are upset with lab or conditions, they can join a union, if not they can choose not to.

If you can't see how government mandated labor cartels can have unintended consequences, then there is no hope for you.
 
2012-12-12 04:55:18 AM  
Cause if its OKAY for someone to HAVE to join the union and most union members *ARE* Democrats, are you saying its OKAY to force someone to have the same political views as you to work with you?
 
2012-12-12 04:55:49 AM  

super_grass: I think you're trying to not get the point and instead is trying to bring up a red herring.


so that DIDN'T happen. Ok then. glad we cleared that up, and you recognize that you are comparing something that actually happened to a hypothetical that hasn't actually occurred outside of your own mind.
 
2012-12-12 04:58:54 AM  
So the argument here is anti-choice. Instead of punching people and reinforcing a stereotype, how about the unions do a better job of convincing workers to join? If giving people the choice to opt-out is a threat to their existence, then perhaps they don't deserve to survive.
 
2012-12-12 04:59:15 AM  

super_grass: LordJiro: I sound fat: homelessdude: video man: Good. It's about time we start using old school tactics.

I was just about to say the same thing. Enough is enough.

YEAH! screw those people who want a right to work decent wages and working conditions without being forced to pay to be in your club working for them!

FTFY

If people are upset with lab or conditions, they can join a union, if not they can choose not to.

If you can't see how government mandated labor cartels can have unintended consequences, then there is no hope for you.


You aren't forced to work in a union shop; no state MANDATES unions. But if you CHOOSE to work in a union shop, there are certain responsibilities that come with the benefits.
 
2012-12-12 04:59:19 AM  

I sound fat: Well, im not GOP, but I know I dont want to be in a union.

Why does everything have to be D v R?


so don't join a union.

And because that's what the whole thing is about. R's doing what the can to squash unions. as they've done for decades. Yet they try to pass it off in this case that suddenly it's not about helping business, it's about protecting those poor exploited workers forced to join a union.


I sound fat: Again, so its OKAY to require someone to think like you to work in your shop?


to "think like you"? wtf are you talking about?
 
2012-12-12 04:59:56 AM  

I sound fat: Cause if its OKAY for someone to HAVE to join the union and most union members *ARE* Democrats, are you saying its OKAY to force someone to have the same political views as you to work with you?


LOL!
 
2012-12-12 05:02:59 AM  

I sound fat: Cause if its OKAY for someone to HAVE to join the union and most union members *ARE* Democrats, are you saying its OKAY to force someone to have the same political views as you to work with you?


I think it's OK for two private entities to make and keep a contract without the state interfering.
But then, I'm a REAL conservative, and not one of you fake ones.
 
2012-12-12 05:08:48 AM  
My job requires me to wear certain cloths on the job. Those items are only sold by business owners. Most business owners are republican. therefore, my job is forcing my to have the same political views as them and the republican party.

ta-da!
 
2012-12-12 05:11:15 AM  

log_jammin: super_grass: I think you're trying to not get the point and instead is trying to bring up a red herring.

so that DIDN'T happen. Ok then. glad we cleared that up, and you recognize that you are comparing something that actually happened to a hypothetical that hasn't actually occurred outside of your own mind.


You either have to be in denial or be partisan enough to lack any self awareness to seriously think that there isn't a double standard here.

The TP has been accused of being violent over people with legal firearms and musket replicas yet union members get a pass on assault. If you can't put two and two together than I recommend asking for a refund from your school.
 
2012-12-12 05:15:49 AM  
Freedom and democracy, the two things so called progressives fear the most.
 
2012-12-12 05:17:07 AM  

david_gaithersburg: Freedom and democracy, the two things so called progressives fear the most.


People who actually work for a living: One of many things Republicans can't stand.
 
2012-12-12 05:19:20 AM  

super_grass: You either have to be in denial or be partisan enough to lack any self awareness to seriously think that there isn't a double standard here.


I'm more than willing to consider if there is or isn't a double standard. That's why I asked if you had video of a reporter harassing tea party protesters, and getting punched over it. I mean, that was the example you gave.

super_grass: yet union members get a pass on assault.


1. It was one guy, not "members".
2. he was not given "a pass".
 
2012-12-12 05:19:57 AM  

david_gaithersburg: Freedom and democracy, the two things so called progressives fear the most.


weak.
 
2012-12-12 05:23:06 AM  

LordJiro: david_gaithersburg: Freedom and democracy, the two things so called progressives fear the most.

People who actually work for a living: One of many things Republicans can't stand.

.
.
blah, blah, blah The Republicans are the one's passing laws allowing people to work, the unions are fighting to prevent people from working unles they pay shake down money. I have many friends with small companies that have been kicked off of jobs because their 3-4 man company wasn't paying dues to union lawyers.

Fark you buddy.
 
2012-12-12 05:25:07 AM  

david_gaithersburg: the unions are fighting to prevent people from working unles they pay shake down money.


well aren't you stupid
 
2012-12-12 05:27:01 AM  
its not reporting when you go incite a riot and then make a video of it.


FOX has no shame and no sense and just panders to idiots who cant think for themselves.
 
2012-12-12 05:27:48 AM  

david_gaithersburg: LordJiro: david_gaithersburg: Freedom and democracy, the two things so called progressives fear the most.

People who actually work for a living: One of many things Republicans can't stand.
.
.
blah, blah, blah The Republicans are the one's passing laws allowing people to work, the unions are fighting to prevent people from working at workplaces that have a union unles they pay shake down money. I have many friends with small companies that have been kicked off of jobs because their 3-4 man company wasn't paying dues to union lawyers.

Fark you buddy.


FTFY. You're free to work a non-union job. But if your workplace has a union and you aren't a part of it, you're a parasite. Unless, of course, you sign a waiver preventing yourself from receiving the wages and benefits a union negotiates for.
 
2012-12-12 05:27:56 AM  

david_gaithersburg: I have many friends with small companies that have been kicked off of jobs because their 3-4 man company wasn't paying dues to union lawyersthey're scabs.

 
2012-12-12 05:27:57 AM  
Bbbbbut Gox News was trolling them!

Get real.

What if I decked somebody in real life for something he said on Fark? Do I get to use his trolling as an excuse?
 
2012-12-12 05:28:11 AM  

CujoQuarrel: log_jammin: violentsalvation: I have yet to see a sensible or reasonable argument for forced participation in a union,

part of a company is union, part is not. The part that is union negotiates a new contract for higher wages, holiday pay, and healthcare. The company agrees and gives all the workers those benefits. Those who didn't pay union benefits still get the rewards of that unions work and its members.

and I don't know if you work in a "right to work" state, but if you do when you get constantly reminded that it's a "right to work" state and that they can fire you at anytime for no reason at all, you'll then realize just who the beneficiaries of that law really is. And it's not guys who are "forced" to pay union dues.

Arrrggghhhh!!!

"Right to Work" doesn't mean that. Jebus. LOOK IT UP
In a "Right to Work" state you may not be forced to join a union or forced to pay dues to a union in order to get a job. It has absolutely nothing to do with 'firing at anytime'


I normally dont weigh in on the politics tab because its much more fun to read the threadshiatters insane comments and laugh at the childish trolling all over the spectrum, however having worked in a right to work state, and one that is fairly backwards even by that standard (Arizona) I feel I have a compelling reason to weigh in here.

Having worked in Arizona for 17 years I can say definitively that right to work means exactly what the gentlemen you quoted said it means, and the employees remind you of that both when you are first hired and if you ever get written up or disciplined on the job.

They have the right to:
A) fire you at any time
B) fire you for any reason
C) fire you for no reason what so ever

The employers remind you of these facts. What is happening in Michigan is a special case. In Arizona, a right to work state, union dues must be payed by people who are not part of the union regardless (see the teachers union, of who my mother was a teacher, not part of the union and still had to pay dues to). What the Michigan legislator did was strip the mandatory dues payments because it breaks the very structure that gives the unions so much leverage and power. And anyone who tells you this was for economical reasons is lying through their teeth. This was a simple power play for politics and nothing more. Unions overwhelmingly support democrats and fund democrats as one of if not the top donors in most local elections and national elections. Break up unions and you break their political power. The Michigan legislator simply wimped out and called it a "right to work" bill instead of calling what it really is "bust union power so we can win elections easier" bill.

I have no problem with republicans TRYING to put such measures to the public vote, assuming they are legitimately put to public vote. That is how democracy works. However, them ramming it through, on a lame duck session, after most of those guys have been voted out of office, in a closed door shady way, and also using loopholes that make it so that the public cant overturn it on a ballot referendum is just disgusting.

I try to see things from the republican perspective so that I can get a better rounded opinion and I would like to have a true center right and center left party divide but sadly all the republicans seem to be doing lately is going farther and farther out into the deep end of the pool and making me even more ardently democrat then I already was and stifling any real debate. Its very sad. I wonder how many life long democratic voters they are creating with all this nonsense behavior.

Also I fully expect that the next Michigan legislative session's first agenda goal will be to straight up repeal this, and I think that is great. A race to the bottom gets everyone to the bottom and then we all lose. Thank you republicans for once again proving that you are completely incapable of seeing the bigger longer term picture.
 
2012-12-12 05:29:22 AM  

Elandriel: Consider the sustained attack against worker's rights to organize and negotiate for a better station in life vs. owners, this is a logical progression. We are seeing the beginning of the modern day labor rights movement, I think.

People probably will end up dying for their rights again before this is settled. And, we'll probably come back to it again in another 80 years.


Yeah, interestingly enough, the industrial revolution is probably too young for us to have observed any cyclical events yet, but yes we may be heading back to another violent conflict over workers rights.

Personally, I find it the logical and likely due to the fact that there is only so much stress you can apply to the middle and lower classes before their only recourse is violence. Even in primitive societies, worker uprisings were relatively common - the only difference is that today, it's unlikely that the military in a democracy could be leveraged to supress it and keep society in event.

Essentially we may be looking at another french revolution like event, except on a scale that would dwarf the original one.
 
2012-12-12 05:32:13 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: What is this about?
/Sorry I am clueless


A guy got punched. If this was a bar at 2 am no one would care.
 
2012-12-12 05:34:19 AM  

Maximum Snark: the employees remind you of that


employees = employers

/sorry missed that one
//even proof read this TWICE before posting
///curse these fingers for not moving as fast as my brain!
 
2012-12-12 05:34:22 AM  

log_jammin: david_gaithersburg: I have many friends with small companies that have been kicked off of jobs because their 3-4 man company wasn't paying dues to union lawyersthey're scabs.


True story, idiot. Friend of mine was hired to paint doors at the Coke bottling plant. Kicked off the property because his two man operation was'nt paying dues to rich lawyers in NY. How the fark is painting a farking door at a farking bottling plant being a scab. We The People demand the basic human right to work. Fark you you piece of shiat.
 
2012-12-12 05:35:59 AM  
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What a typical exchange between a person with a right-leaning opinion (guy on left) and a FarkLib (guy on right) probably would look like if they met in person. (Based on most Fark political "conversations")
 
2012-12-12 05:38:05 AM  

david_gaithersburg: was'nt paying dues to rich lawyers in NY.


LOL!
 
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2012-12-12 05:38:09 AM  

log_jammin: Video of the dude getting punched.

1. He was trolling the crowd.

2. another union member stopped the first guy.


hahahahahahaha!
 
2012-12-12 05:38:59 AM  

GAT_00: Funny, none of that is in the link. Nothing about hitting a reporter, and I saw the video of the tent earlier. Didn't look like anyone was in it.

But hey, protesting is bad, but passing a bill in a locked session in the middle of the night without telling anyone is good. That's real democracy - Republican democracy.


assets.nydailynews.com

"We have to pass the bill so we can see what is in it"
 
2012-12-12 05:40:09 AM  

3StratMan: [img651.imageshack.us image 640x438]

What a typical exchange between a person with a right-leaning opinion (guy on left) and a FarkLib (guy on right) probably would look like if they met in person. (Based on most Fark political "conversations")


comments like this do nothing to further this "typical exchange" you are talking about. If anything all these comments do is make incidents like this more common. But yes one's political leanings has a direct correlation to ones inclinations of punching someone in the face. I'd love to see a peer reviewed and published study proving such a link

/flame on threadshiatter
//grow up and join the rest of us educated civilized citizens you ape
 
2012-12-12 05:42:34 AM  

182: log_jammin: Video of the dude getting punched.

1. He was trolling the crowd.

2. another union member stopped the first guy.

hahahahahahaha!


feel free to point out what I said that was inaccurate.
 
2012-12-12 05:46:31 AM  

GAT_00: Lsherm: GAT_00: Funny, none of that is in the link. Nothing about hitting a reporter, and I saw the video of the tent earlier. Didn't look like anyone was in it.

But hey, protesting is bad, but passing a bill in a locked session in the middle of the night without telling anyone is good. That's real democracy - Republican democracy.

Technically in the slide show:

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With the caption:

A man in an International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers union jacket punches Fox News reporter Steven Crowder in the face outside the pro-Right-to-Work tent of Americans for Prosperity, an organization funded by wealthy private donors.

Lsherm: GAT_00: Funny, none of that is in the link. Nothing about hitting a reporter, and I saw the video of the tent earlier. Didn't look like anyone was in it.

But hey, protesting is bad, but passing a bill in a locked session in the middle of the night without telling anyone is good. That's real democracy - Republican democracy.

Technically in the slide show:

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With the caption:

A man in an International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers union jacket punches Fox News reporter Steven Crowder in the face outside the pro-Right-to-Work tent of Americans for Prosperity, an organization funded by wealthy private donors.

More likely to be true then, but until I see people vouching that this guy is a member of that union, I still refuse to completely believe it. I have no trouble believing that Fox would stage that to discredit the protesters.


Yeah, and the incident where Chrysler UNION workers got caught on camera toking and drinking on their lunch break, got fired, and 2 years later got their jobs back (with back pay, do doubt) was probably all staged by FOX2 as well.
 
2012-12-12 05:49:25 AM  
I live in Michigan and I work in an industry that is not union and I still think what Snyder did should be illegal. He has been a disaster for our economy and for our future. The good thing though is that if republicans continue to push these unpopular measures through without getting public opinion let alone a Vote they will not be in power for long. Poor people tend to care more about what their leadership is doing than the wealthy. If a governor believes that supporting owners and not workers is the best way to stay in power they will be swiftly and loudly reminded of how wrong they are. The owner will give you 1 vote to the workers 100.
 
2012-12-12 05:52:34 AM  

Maximum Snark: 3StratMan: [img651.imageshack.us image 640x438]

What a typical exchange between a person with a right-leaning opinion (guy on left) and a FarkLib (guy on right) probably would look like if they met in person. (Based on most Fark political "conversations")

comments like this do nothing to further this "typical exchange" you are talking about. If anything all these comments do is make incidents like this more common. But yes one's political leanings has a direct correlation to ones inclinations of punching someone in the face. I'd love to see a peer reviewed and published study proving such a link

/flame on threadshiatter
//grow up and join the rest of us educated civilized citizens you ape


Good thing this exchange isn't happening in person. The "tolerance" shows up immediately, as usual. Don't really feel like getting injured today.
 
2012-12-12 05:54:14 AM  

3StratMan: Maximum Snark: 3StratMan: [img651.imageshack.us image 640x438]

What a typical exchange between a person with a right-leaning opinion (guy on left) and a FarkLib (guy on right) probably would look like if they met in person. (Based on most Fark political "conversations")

comments like this do nothing to further this "typical exchange" you are talking about. If anything all these comments do is make incidents like this more common. But yes one's political leanings has a direct correlation to ones inclinations of punching someone in the face. I'd love to see a peer reviewed and published study proving such a link

/flame on threadshiatter
//grow up and join the rest of us educated civilized citizens you ape

Good thing this exchange isn't happening in person. The "tolerance" shows up immediately, as usual. Don't really feel like getting injured today.


I'm sure you realize that the first bolded bit was obvious sarcasm. I mean, otherwise, you'd be a complete dipshiat!
 
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