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(The Detroit_News)   Union members in Michigan engage in polite discussion with those who have an opposing viewpoint. Just kidding, they beat a Fox News reporter, sucker punch him, then collapse a tent on top of women and old people   (detroitnews.com) divider line 431
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2012-12-12 02:58:06 AM

BSABSVR: Not even posted yet, and this thread already has the neighborhood fat kids and overnight IT guys acting pretend tough.


Heyyyyy, I'm neither of those, but I can pretend to be tough :'(

Though, I guess it's probably not my fault I'm not fat.
 
2012-12-12 02:59:19 AM

Relatively Obscure: BSABSVR: Not even posted yet, and this thread already has the neighborhood fat kids and overnight IT guys acting pretend tough.

Heyyyyy, I'm neither of those, but I can pretend to be tough :'(

Though, I guess it's probably not my fault I'm not fat.


so you're saying that you're the fat IT guy pretending to be tough?
 
2012-12-12 02:59:37 AM

Weaver95: you really don't think Fox News might have ramped up the violence on purpose?


dude. this is really simple. The guy who took a swing is a douch for taking a swing. It has nothing to do with fox news, unions, or whatever. The guy farked up, and now the submitter has a nice trolltastic headline that all the other trolls get to masturbate to once this goes green.

stop excusing douchy behavior.
 
2012-12-12 03:01:01 AM

BSABSVR: this thread already has the neighborhood fat kids and overnight IT guys acting pretend tough.


shut up or I'll kick your ass.
 
2012-12-12 03:01:42 AM

Weaver95: properly provoked, you'll take a swing at people too. and if you don't believe that, then you're lying to yourself. especially if everyone in the crowd around you is doing the same thing.


If by "properly provoked" you mean "threatened with imminent violence," then yeah.

Weaver95: but you'd damn well better slam fox news reporters for making a tense situation even worse. think you can do that?


Like I said, that dude was a Grade A douchebag.
 
2012-12-12 03:01:43 AM

log_jammin: Weaver95: you really don't think Fox News might have ramped up the violence on purpose?

dude. this is really simple. The guy who took a swing is a douch for taking a swing. It has nothing to do with fox news, unions, or whatever. The guy farked up, and now the submitter has a nice trolltastic headline that all the other trolls get to masturbate to once this goes green.

stop excusing douchy behavior.


you really don't think Fox News might have pushed things even a little...?
 
2012-12-12 03:02:18 AM

Relatively Obscure:
Like I said, that dude was a Grade A douchebag.


so is Fox News...
 
2012-12-12 03:03:06 AM

Weaver95: so you're saying that you're the fat IT guy pretending to be tough?


No :( I'm neither IT nor fat. But I do have a vivid imagination. I'm picturing you with breasts right now.  It brightens the conversation.
 
2012-12-12 03:03:42 AM

Weaver95: Relatively Obscure:
Like I said, that dude was a Grade A douchebag.

so is Fox News...


Fox news isn't a douchebag. It employs them.
 
2012-12-12 03:04:46 AM

Weaver95: you really don't think Fox News might have pushed things even a little...?


I said he was trolling the crowd, but that's irrelevant.
 
2012-12-12 03:12:07 AM

log_jammin: now the submitter has a nice trolltastic headline that all the other trolls get to masturbate to once this goes green.


It's a union thread, why should things be any different? 

Let's get things started in the other direction:

Overzealous staffer
Republican plant
 
2012-12-12 03:13:18 AM
With alllll of that said, I would like to see a less edited down version of events. It's quite possible that something very significant got snipped out of the video log_jammin linked to.
 
2012-12-12 03:21:24 AM

Relatively Obscure: With alllll of that said, I would like to see a less edited down version of events. It's quite possible that something very significant got snipped out of the video log_jammin linked to.


indeed.
 
2012-12-12 03:21:47 AM

Weaver95: violentsalvation: Some people don't want to participate in your little scam, you stupid unions.

this has nothing to do with unions. want someone to blame? yell at the GOP. their dirty tricks created this mess. of COURSE it was gonna turn ugly. what did you expect would happen?

i'm not condoning violence but I am saying that this entire disaster was easily avoidable.


If it has nothing to do with unions then this whole thread is one big threadjack. I'm not opposed to unions, I think they can do and have done many great things for the working class. I'm against forced participation. If the union is so great then the people will surely join it. And if that union isn't worth joining then perhaps a stranglehold is alleviated.

I have yet to see a sensible or reasonable argument for forced participation in a union, all I hear is that the GOP is up to some dirty tricks and is lint-deep into someone's pocket. And this is a travesty sh*tting all over workers everywhere. So we all owe some coal miners from 100 years ago, lest they put us all back in the mines.
 
2012-12-12 03:27:52 AM
We shouldn't be punching Fox News reporters.

We should be burning them alive in the public square - pour encourager les autres.
 
2012-12-12 03:31:08 AM

violentsalvation: I have yet to see a sensible or reasonable argument for forced participation in a union,


part of a company is union, part is not. The part that is union negotiates a new contract for higher wages, holiday pay, and healthcare. The company agrees and gives all the workers those benefits. Those who didn't pay union benefits still get the rewards of that unions work and its members.

and I don't know if you work in a "right to work" state, but if you do when you get constantly reminded that it's a "right to work" state and that they can fire you at anytime for no reason at all, you'll then realize just who the beneficiaries of that law really is. And it's not guys who are "forced" to pay union dues.
 
2012-12-12 03:48:09 AM
I thought poor uneducated whites were te fox news base?
 
2012-12-12 03:50:40 AM

Lsherm: homelessdude: video man: Good. It's about time we start using old school tactics.

I was just about to say the same thing. Enough is enough.

I agree. Beating people you disagree with is the best way to get the point across that you won't make a good employee. The arrest records should keep them out of the job pool long enough for more qualified people to join in.


If it prevents the kind of misery and death we saw until the 1920s and '30s in non-unionized labor, then it's well worth it. The Right wing idiots would do well to remember that people fought and died to get the union rights they have now, and would do it again.
 
2012-12-12 03:52:30 AM

log_jammin: violentsalvation: I have yet to see a sensible or reasonable argument for forced participation in a union,

part of a company is union, part is not. The part that is union negotiates a new contract for higher wages, holiday pay, and healthcare. The company agrees and gives all the workers those benefits. Those who didn't pay union benefits still get the rewards of that unions work and its members.

and I don't know if you work in a "right to work" state, but if you do when you get constantly reminded that it's a "right to work" state and that they can fire you at anytime for no reason at all, you'll then realize just who the beneficiaries of that law really is. And it's not guys who are "forced" to pay union dues.


Arrrggghhhh!!!

"Right to Work" doesn't mean that. Jebus. LOOK IT UP
In a "Right to Work" state you may not be forced to join a union or forced to pay dues to a union in order to get a job. It has absolutely nothing to do with 'firing at anytime'
 
2012-12-12 03:54:38 AM
So after the tent fell, did the unions

a) go out on strike
b) go on break
c) filed a grievance

?
 
2012-12-12 03:55:19 AM
If it was Hannity they'll never get a conviction.
 
2012-12-12 03:55:22 AM
www.kansasheritage.org
Pleased
 
2012-12-12 03:57:07 AM

NobleHam: "Lsherm: homelessdude: video man: Good. It's about time we start using old school tactics.

I was just about to say the same thing. Enough is enough.

I agree. Beating people you disagree with is the best way to get the point across that you won't make a good employee. The arrest records should keep them out of the job pool long enough for more qualified people to join in.

If it prevents the kind of misery and death we saw until the 1920s and '30s in non-unionized labor, then it's well worth it."



Yeah - that's totally what workers are threatened with today.


NobleHam: "The Right wing idiots would do well to remember that people fought and died to get the union rights they have now..."


...which have since been permanently enshrined as law in the labor code and are guaranteed. So, what precious rights is the Proletariat violently fighting for now? (Note: being able to force people to join a union and pay dues before they can get a job is not a right.)
 
2012-12-12 03:57:12 AM

CujoQuarrel: "Right to Work" doesn't mean that. Jebus. LOOK IT UP
In a "Right to Work" state you may not be forced to join a union or forced to pay dues to a union in order to get a job. It has absolutely nothing to do with 'firing at anytime'


And North Korea is a democracy. It says so right in the title. LOOK IT UP.
 
2012-12-12 03:57:35 AM

CujoQuarrel: log_jammin: violentsalvation: I have yet to see a sensible or reasonable argument for forced participation in a union,

part of a company is union, part is not. The part that is union negotiates a new contract for higher wages, holiday pay, and healthcare. The company agrees and gives all the workers those benefits. Those who didn't pay union benefits still get the rewards of that unions work and its members.

and I don't know if you work in a "right to work" state, but if you do when you get constantly reminded that it's a "right to work" state and that they can fire you at anytime for no reason at all, you'll then realize just who the beneficiaries of that law really is. And it's not guys who are "forced" to pay union dues.

Arrrggghhhh!!!

"Right to Work" doesn't mean that. Jebus. LOOK IT UP
In a "Right to Work" state you may not be forced to join a union or forced to pay dues to a union in order to get a job. It has absolutely nothing to do with 'firing at anytime' enjoy the rights a union negotiates for, without any of the responsibility.


FTFY, leeches.

/Of course, that's just what the lazy right-to-work moochers think. If every worker in a shop isn't compelled to join the union, the union has almost no negotiating power.
//But hey, lazy right-to-work moochers, like most Republicans, have no foresight.
 
2012-12-12 03:59:26 AM
so... the people protesting are simply protesting because they dont like their right to be able to force other people to join them being removed?

Are these people americans or communists?
 
2012-12-12 04:00:58 AM

log_jammin: reminded that it's a "right to work" state and that they can fire you at anytime for no reason at all,


You're thinking of an "at will" state.

The two tend to go together but they don't have to be mutually inclusive.
 
2012-12-12 04:01:00 AM

Relatively Obscure: Weaver95: Relatively Obscure:
Like I said, that dude was a Grade A douchebag.

so is Fox News...

Fox news isn't a douchebag. It employs them.


Are you sure? Corporations are people too, after all.
 
2012-12-12 04:06:20 AM

GAT_00: But hey, protesting is bad, but passing a bill in a locked session in the middle of the night without telling anyone is good. That's real democracy - Republican democracy.


And don't forget: lame-duck session too. This was a brazen, deliberate fark-you to the people of Michigan.
 
2012-12-12 04:06:25 AM
Put down your farking pearls, nancies. People get punched sometimes. It's not the end of the world.

You'd be pissed too if a group of shady politicians just gave you a $5,300 a year paycut AFTER they had been voted out of office. And then to be harassed by some corporate stooge from a propaganda arm that convinces millions of Americans that you're the reason for everything that's wrong with this country...let's just be thankful that no guns or knives were involved.
 
2012-12-12 04:07:43 AM
"Right-to-work" is better than Unions anyway.
 
2012-12-12 04:07:59 AM

Snapper Carr: You're thinking of an "at will" state.

The two tend to go together but they don't have to be mutually inclusive.


Snapper Carr: log_jammin: reminded that it's a "right to work" state and that they can fire you at anytime for no reason at all,

You're thinking of an "at will" state.

The two tend to go together but they don't have to be mutually inclusive.


You're right, I am.

apologizes CujoQuarrel
 
2012-12-12 04:09:08 AM

kvinesknows: so... the people protesting are simply protesting because they dont like their right to be able to force other people to join them being removed?

Are these people americans or communists?


You can always work somewhere that doesn't have a union; as far as I know, there are no states where non-union shops are banned. Sure, the pay and benefits will suck, and you have no real protection from higher-ups shiatting on you, but you'll have stuck it to those darn unions!
 
2012-12-12 04:10:48 AM

Lsherm: GAT_00: Funny, none of that is in the link. Nothing about hitting a reporter, and I saw the video of the tent earlier. Didn't look like anyone was in it.

But hey, protesting is bad, but passing a bill in a locked session in the middle of the night without telling anyone is good. That's real democracy - Republican democracy.

Technically in the slide show:

[img651.imageshack.us image 640x438]

With the caption:

A man in an International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers union jacket punches Fox News reporter Steven Crowder in the face outside the pro-Right-to-Work tent of Americans for Prosperity, an organization funded by wealthy private donors.



Thank you.
 
2012-12-12 04:11:37 AM

Weaver95: except that GAT has a point - fox news went there and made an already difficult situation worse. the local MI Republicans already antagonized the unions and pissed off the local Democrats. then along comes fox news (and a few tea baggers) to jump in and gloat about how great it was that the lame duck session was used by their hero Republicans to ramrod some unpopular legislation through congress and hey, it's just wonderful to see such dirty tricks used to great effect.

i'm actually impressed the local unions showed as much restraint as they did.


Agreed. The Fox News people are lucky they didn't get killed. I'm not even exaggerating. Killed. You have an angry mob that was just told to go fark itself and they go in there telling the country how great it is that the mob got farked over? They could have been torn limb from limb. And a less restrained group of people very probably would have done it, too.

The guy who got punched in the face is lucky to even be alive.
 
2012-12-12 04:14:42 AM

BSABSVR: Not even posted yet, and this thread already has the neighborhood fat kids and overnight IT guys acting pretend tough.

This will just be an epic goddamn cluster fark when all is said and done.



It sucks to see people acting like animals, but somehow, I still just can't bring myself to feel sorry with anyone associated with fux news.

jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com
/oblig.
 
2012-12-12 04:15:51 AM

Weaver95: violentsalvation: Some people don't want to participate in your little scam, you stupid unions.

this has nothing to do with unions. want someone to blame? yell at the GOP. their dirty tricks created this mess. of COURSE it was gonna turn ugly. what did you expect would happen?

i'm not condoning violence but I am saying that this entire disaster was easily avoidable.


How many times do i have to tell you i love you?

/And how many times are you and GAT on the same page, i wonder?
 
2012-12-12 04:20:17 AM
the man in the union jacket deserves a medal
 
2012-12-12 04:20:57 AM

spmkk: NobleHam: "Lsherm: homelessdude: video man: Good. It's about time we start using old school tactics.

I was just about to say the same thing. Enough is enough.

I agree. Beating people you disagree with is the best way to get the point across that you won't make a good employee. The arrest records should keep them out of the job pool long enough for more qualified people to join in.

If it prevents the kind of misery and death we saw until the 1920s and '30s in non-unionized labor, then it's well worth it."


Yeah - that's totally what workers are threatened with today.


NobleHam: "The Right wing idiots would do well to remember that people fought and died to get the union rights they have now..."

...which have since been permanently enshrined as law in the labor code and are guaranteed. So, what precious rights is the Proletariat violently fighting for now? (Note: being able to force people to join a union and pay dues before they can get a job is not a right.)


Is this really what republicans now believe? That a massive, unelected regulatory apparatus is GOOD for the country? Anything for The Cause, I suppose.

What happens when a Republican gets back in the White House and starts dismantling protections and pro-labor enforcement? Hell, even under Democratic administrations, agencies like OSHA are woefully undermanned and under-funded to prosecute all violations nationwide. Are you comfortable with the idea that all of your contracted rights are subject to the whims of an opaque political process? I'm certainly not.
 
2012-12-12 04:25:29 AM
Never mind punched, the Fox guy should be fired. Last I checked, being a "reporter" meant you were supposed to cover the news, not tell protesters to stop breaking stuff. When douches like him make it ok for reporters to be hit, it means stuff won't get covered and we as a people will be less informed.

Its Fox, I should know better than to have expectations...
 
2012-12-12 04:26:51 AM
Also, let's stop pretending like this has anything to do with "right and wrong.". This was a political hit job and nothing more. Unions support The Enemy, and must be destroyed at all costs. Everything else is just marketing BS.

Or is someone here dumb enough to try to argue that if unions were strongly supportive of the GOP, they'd still be doing this because of "freedom"?
 
2012-12-12 04:27:18 AM

fusillade762: log_jammin: now the submitter has a nice trolltastic headline that all the other trolls get to masturbate to once this goes green.

It's a union thread, why should things be any different? 

Let's get things started in the other direction:

Overzealous staffer
Republican plant


I was wondering if I was the only one reminded of the Parlock family shenanigans.
 
2012-12-12 04:31:19 AM

log_jammin: Video of the dude getting punched.

1. He was trolling the crowd.

2. another union member stopped the first guy.


I do find it interesting (given the recent history of Republicans and strategically edited videos), that the video never reveals what Crowder said to set the crowd off.

/Not that mob violence needs a justification - it can just happen but I'm not totally trusting of a FNC employed journalist's side of the story
 
2012-12-12 04:33:05 AM

spmkk: NobleHam: "Lsherm: homelessdude: video man: Good. It's about time we start using old school tactics.

I was just about to say the same thing. Enough is enough.

I agree. Beating people you disagree with is the best way to get the point across that you won't make a good employee. The arrest records should keep them out of the job pool long enough for more qualified people to join in.

If it prevents the kind of misery and death we saw until the 1920s and '30s in non-unionized labor, then it's well worth it."


Yeah - that's totally what workers are threatened with today.


NobleHam: "The Right wing idiots would do well to remember that people fought and died to get the union rights they have now..."

...which have since been permanently enshrined as law in the labor code and are guaranteed. So, what precious rights is the Proletariat violently fighting for now? (Note: being able to force people to join a union and pay dues before they can get a job is not a right.)


Who knows what the plutocrats will try next. I'd like to have strong unions in place when the corporations come out with their next great idea to cut costs and increase profits at the expense of their workers' welfare. "Right-to-work" laws are intended to break unions. I hope they won't, I hope there won't be any scabs, that people will voluntarily join unions and pay dues, but their intent is to destroy worker's rights.
 
2012-12-12 04:36:55 AM

spmkk: NobleHam: "Lsherm: homelessdude: video man: Good. It's about time we start using old school tactics.

I was just about to say the same thing. Enough is enough.

I agree. Beating people you disagree with is the best way to get the point across that you won't make a good employee. The arrest records should keep them out of the job pool long enough for more qualified people to join in.

If it prevents the kind of misery and death we saw until the 1920s and '30s in non-unionized labor, then it's well worth it."


Yeah - that's totally what workers are threatened with today.


NobleHam: "The Right wing idiots would do well to remember that people fought and died to get the union rights they have now..."

...which have since been permanently enshrined as law in the labor code and are guaranteed. So, what precious rights is the Proletariat violently fighting for now? (Note: being able to force people to join a union and pay dues before they can get a job is not a right.)


After all, it's not like laws can be changed, or that there's a huge chunk of the working class willing to vote against their best interests, just to spite 'the libs', or that most of our government is in the pocket of big businesses....
 
2012-12-12 04:37:22 AM

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Also, let's stop pretending like this has anything to do with "right and wrong.". This was a political hit job and nothing more. Unions support The Enemy, and must be destroyed at all costs. Everything else is just marketing BS.

Or is someone here dumb enough to try to argue that if unions were strongly supportive of the GOP, they'd still be doing this because of "freedom"?


Oh. Ok.

/-1 no trolltasticness there.
 
2012-12-12 04:38:50 AM

Snapper Carr: but I'm not totally trusting of a FNC employed journalist's side of the story


If you look at the guys youtube channel, this seems to be his sort of thing.
 
2012-12-12 04:43:52 AM
For some reason, I can't imagine any of the union defenders extending the same benefit of the doubt to TEA Party protesters had they been goaded by reporters and exchanged punches.

Maybe it's just me, but assaulting people for asking questions that annoy you is a douche thing to do and political affiliation should not influence that in any way.
 
2012-12-12 04:43:53 AM

homelessdude: video man: Good. It's about time we start using old school tactics.

I was just about to say the same thing. Enough is enough.


YEAH! screw those people who want a right to work without being forced to pay to be in your club!
 
2012-12-12 04:45:09 AM

Relatively Obscure: 'm picturing you with breasts right now. It brightens


Don't do that, I've always had this idea that Weaver is kind of up there in years, and when I read that I had a flashing image of wrinkled hanging bags. eeww
/sorry weaver
 
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