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2012-12-11 08:55:53 PM  

Mr. Ekshun: Kuroshin: Combustion: Cats_Lie: Fun mall fact: Clackamas is/was known to host the ice skating rink in which Tanya Harding was a regular.

WRONG! The Ice Rink is the Lloyd Center.

Wrong. Clack used to have an ice rink, where Tanya Harding practiced regularly.

/met her once
//what a coont

What was the rest of her like?


Faaaaaaantastic.
 
2012-12-11 08:56:14 PM  
What is the percentage of Americans at the mall vs the percentage of Americans that live in a poor neighborhood?
 
2012-12-11 08:56:18 PM  
Ah, just what I needed ... a convenient thread in which I can offer my new thoughts and opinions on gun control that will bring perspective to all and an end the the discussion due to my airtight argument and everyone's open-mindedness when discussing the topic - all will quickly agree with me and admit they were wrong all along.
 
2012-12-11 08:57:18 PM  

jaylectricity: What is the percentage of Americans at the mall vs the percentage of Americans that live in a poor neighborhood?


If the mall has a Family Dollar there may be some overlap.
 
TWX
2012-12-11 08:57:39 PM  
It's Clackamas at ground zero,
There's music in the air...
The sleigh bells are ringing and the carolers are singing
while the police sirens blare...


/with apologies to Mr. Yankovic
 
2012-12-11 08:57:39 PM  
They are saying on live stream that was a teenager.
 
2012-12-11 08:57:55 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: neongoats: Concealed carry idiots are funny though. I know several IRL. They are so pants pissingly scared of life in general they won't take a ride to the gas station without being armed. And yet their biggest masturbatory fantasy is getting in an old west style shoot out and saving the day at some mall, at which point handgun loving big titted blondes appear and fellate them. That said, in my state it's a pretty rigorous process to be licensed so at least there is some kind of process to attempt to weed out the truly psychotic and criminally insane.



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They're usually the obnoxious ones too, who like to drive aggressively and escalate situations.

See the poster above who related his story about having a knife pulled on him in a movie theater. Instead of going to the manager and letting him handle the problem in the theater he is responsible for, our friend told a total stranger to STFU and was so scandalized by the response that he cannot go see a movie now without taking his gun with him. I live right next to an idiot like this, his entire political outlook can be understood just by reading the stickers on his truck. He's jumped out of his truck on people here a couple of times, when they motion for him to slow down. Instead of realizing he's speeding down his own damned street with kids on it and taking responsibility for his actions, he will instead jump out, all ready to throw down. Idiot.

And based on the other 2A fanatics I have known, that seems to be a theme.


Way to assume. I carry a gun when I feel like it, and carry it like I carry a leatherman or a pocket knife: probably won't need it but might as well have it just in case. No one ever died from being prepared for any eventuality.

Now stop projecting.
 
2012-12-11 08:58:15 PM  

CraicBaby: Some good news (from The Oregonian):

"Legacy spokesperson says no Lifeflight helicopter flights after all. And ambulances at the scene are being sent home. Aside from the person being taken to OHSU Hospital, it doesn't look like any bad injuries -- or not serious enough to be sent to Legacy."


Fortunately reports are that the mall wasn't very crowded, which is a good thing and makes me wonder why the shooter would do this on a Tuesday afternoon? If he wanted a high body count, it seems like a Saturday or Sunday would be more effective.
 
2012-12-11 08:58:19 PM  

BalugaJoe: They are saying on live stream that was a teenager.


/b/tard
 
2012-12-11 08:58:26 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: CraicBaby: Some good news (from The Oregonian):

"Legacy spokesperson says no Lifeflight helicopter flights after all. And ambulances at the scene are being sent home. Aside from the person being taken to OHSU Hospital, it doesn't look like any bad injuries -- or not serious enough to be sent to Legacy."

I wonder if this means that the two killed were actually the targets (done at close range), and everything else was a last minute joyride before the shooter offed themselves.


Nah, more likely the gun jammed (which has been reported) so he didn't get to shoot as many as he wanted.
 
2012-12-11 08:58:32 PM  

BalugaJoe: They are saying on live stream that was a teenager.


I'm playing the role of concerned guy.
 
2012-12-11 08:58:56 PM  

vudukungfu: jaylectricity: So it's the mall that makes the difference? Why?

The guy in the Easter bunny suit kicked his ass.


Target rich environment.
 
2012-12-11 08:58:58 PM  

DubtodaIll: I've never really understood the fear of guns. I don't know if this is true for everyone, but I had a friend in school who was completely anti-gun. He wanted to do drastic things like invent a time machine and go un-invent the gun and stuff like that or whatever. Anyway, we convinced him to go to a gun range with us and actually fire a weapon, as he had never actually used a gun before. He loved it, he had so much fun in fact, he now does recreational pistol shooting in a league and stuff.
Anyway, I just feel like most of the people railing against guns have never actually used one to learn how freaking amazing they are. Though I do feel a return to swords and hand to hand combat would do wonders for civil society.


suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com
/Agrees
 
2012-12-11 08:58:58 PM  

jaylectricity: Bathia_Mapes: jaylectricity: There are shootings every day. Why do we care about this one?


Are there shootings in malls everyday?  I think not.

So it's the mall that makes the difference? Why?


Because it affected thousands of people all at once.

The freeway had to be closed. People had to be warned to stay away. Law enforcement had to account for the safety of hundreds of people inside. Mass transit was diverted. Many people were affected by one person with a weapon.

That's why.
 
2012-12-11 08:59:18 PM  

Dimensio: o5iiawah: Dimensio: Ms. Assam had volunteered to provide security coverage because she was a private citizen with a privately owned firearm and a concealed weapons permit, therefore that incident does not count because she was a professional security guard.

A private citizen with a personally owned firearm and a CCW issued to her personally who volunteers her time for security is not a professional.

Actual data is of no relevance to the cause of civilian disarmament.


To be fair, I had to reread that sentence myself.
 
2012-12-11 08:59:31 PM  
A comment I saw on Facebook summed these mall shootings up nicely:

"Canned hunts for nutjobs."

/can we spend some more money on mental health care?
//please?
 
2012-12-11 08:59:51 PM  

davidphogan: CraicBaby: Some good news (from The Oregonian):

"Legacy spokesperson says no Lifeflight helicopter flights after all. And ambulances at the scene are being sent home. Aside from the person being taken to OHSU Hospital, it doesn't look like any bad injuries -- or not serious enough to be sent to Legacy."

Fortunately reports are that the mall wasn't very crowded, which is a good thing and makes me wonder why the shooter would do this on a Tuesday afternoon? If he wanted a high body count, it seems like a Saturday or Sunday would be more effective.


He's irrational and batshiat insane?
 
2012-12-11 08:59:52 PM  
Reports of a .233 round found on the ground. Y'all who know more about guns can probably figure otu better than me what kind of gun it might be.
 
2012-12-11 08:59:58 PM  

CrackpipeCardozo: The vast majority of legal firearm owners have approximately 1 butthole's worth of experience dealing with high intensity firearm situations, and a responsible firearm owner isn't going risk using their weapon to stop a spree shooter; ERGO . . . you know where this is going.


Your first statement cannot in any way be substantiated or proven unless you can provide some proof of aggregate training hours nationally per armed citizen.

Your second statement, I'll somewhat agree. If there's a spree shooter in the mall and there is a CCW among the sitting ducks, he is first and foremost probably concerned with getting himself or his family to safety. In fact, during the thousands of hours I've spent in firearms training, I've never had an instructor suggest that anyone try to be a hero in an incident like this for those very reasons. The anti-gun/CCW jerkoffs who are all over this thread are suggesting that CCW holders are pussies for not being able to take out the threat when in many cases they wont have a shot, or it is better for their own safety to exit the situation and notify professional law enforcement.

Nevertheless, should a situation arise where a spree shooter backs someone into a corner, or the CCW holder does have a shot and needs to take it to protect himself, his family or another human life then I support their right to carry.
 
2012-12-11 09:00:01 PM  

jaylectricity: There are shootings every day. Why do we care about this one?


They are presumably white?
 
2012-12-11 09:00:04 PM  

Ed Finnerty: jaylectricity: What is the percentage of Americans at the mall vs the percentage of Americans that live in a poor neighborhood?

If the mall has a Family Dollar there may be some overlap.


It certainly was in Aurora. That wasn't the first time there was a shooting there, just the most grievous time.
 
2012-12-11 09:00:14 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: jaylectricity: Bathia_Mapes: jaylectricity: There are shootings every day. Why do we care about this one?


Are there shootings in malls everyday?  I think not.

So it's the mall that makes the difference? Why?

Because it affected thousands of people all at once.

The freeway had to be closed. People had to be warned to stay away. Law enforcement had to account for the safety of hundreds of people inside. Mass transit was diverted. Many people were affected by one person with a weapon.

That's why.


OK...so why don't we have to divert traffic when there's a shooting in the ghetto?
 
2012-12-11 09:00:18 PM  
Im going to hell....I cant help but wonder if I can buy some damaged goods cheap tomorrow...

"Slightly damaged by nick from gunfire, 1/2 off!"
 
2012-12-11 09:00:26 PM  
Kit Fister: Way to assume. I carry a gun when I feel like it, and carry it like I carry a leatherman or a pocket knife: probably won't need it but might as well have it just in case. No one ever died from being prepared for any eventuality.


------------------


Do you carry a fire extinguisher? Snakebite anti-venom? How about a tourniquet? 20 batteries in each size? A personal flotation device?

You're not worried about ANY eventuality if not.
 
2012-12-11 09:00:38 PM  

Alphakronik: Seeing as my wife is home late from xmas shopping and she forgot her cell phone, I'm a bit worried.


Does she resemble the woman on the floor in the pic linked above? I hope all is well.
 
2012-12-11 09:00:46 PM  
Did you guys hear that north Korea just launched a rocket over Okinawa? Or did that one just go over your heads?

I'm serious, that just happened.
 
2012-12-11 09:00:48 PM  

Kit Fister: vudukungfu: jaylectricity: So it's the mall that makes the difference? Why?

The guy in the Easter bunny suit kicked his ass.

Target rich environment.


You can stare at it. I don't mind.
 
2012-12-11 09:01:03 PM  

WhoIsWillo: LeglessDog: Gun legislation only affects people who procure the weapons through legal channels--most criminals don't buy their weapon at the local gun shop.

No. Most criminals have a friend buy the weapon for them in exchange for money or drugs legally.


Um, that would be an illegal straw purchase...
 
2012-12-11 09:01:03 PM  
This is right down the street from me (that's where we go to watch movies, ect). A pretty big mall. Hope there are no more fatalities found as the police sweep through the mall.
 
2012-12-11 09:01:03 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: jaylectricity: Bathia_Mapes: jaylectricity: There are shootings every day. Why do we care about this one?


Are there shootings in malls everyday?  I think not.

So it's the mall that makes the difference? Why?

Because it affected thousands of people all at once.

The freeway had to be closed. People had to be warned to stay away. Law enforcement had to account for the safety of hundreds of people inside. Mass transit was diverted. Many people were affected by one person with a weapon.

That's why.



Thank you
 
2012-12-11 09:01:05 PM  

grunthos: So, the Koreans and Japanese don't have crazy people shooting them....but they got crazy people killing them all the same. If they'd allowed more guns, it looks like they'd be safer. At least the body count would go down.


With more thoughtful planning, the Aurora massacre could have killed nearly everyone in the theatre with far less time, money, and effort.
 
2012-12-11 09:01:06 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: BalugaJoe: They are saying on live stream that was a teenager.

/b/tard


Between yelling, "I am the shooter!" and the reports of a Guy Fawkes mask I wouldn't be surprised.
 
2012-12-11 09:01:28 PM  

CraicBaby: Reports of a .233 round found on the ground. Y'all who know more about guns can probably figure otu better than me what kind of gun it might be.


Probably .223.

AR-15 derived weapon is my first guess. Not definite though.
 
2012-12-11 09:01:34 PM  

CraicBaby: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: CraicBaby: Some good news (from The Oregonian):

"Legacy spokesperson says no Lifeflight helicopter flights after all. And ambulances at the scene are being sent home. Aside from the person being taken to OHSU Hospital, it doesn't look like any bad injuries -- or not serious enough to be sent to Legacy."

I wonder if this means that the two killed were actually the targets (done at close range), and everything else was a last minute joyride before the shooter offed themselves.

Nah, more likely the gun jammed (which has been reported) so he didn't get to shoot as many as he wanted.


Possibly, though most of these nutjobs overestimate how easy it is to hit a target that moving quickly in a random way (hell, it's hard to accurately hit at distance at all with a handgun without good practice).
 
2012-12-11 09:01:49 PM  

GAT_00: And there's the standard NRA return volley - fix everything immediately, or else nothing should ever change.


You're the one wanting to take away my property in order to do nothing at all about people who use guns in criminal acts. My guns have not injured anybody, yet you want to punish me, while doing nothing to prevent others from using guns in crime.

So what's your plan to stop *them*?

/not an NRA member
 
2012-12-11 09:01:56 PM  

CraicBaby: Reports of a .233 round found on the ground. Y'all who know more about guns can probably figure otu better than me what kind of gun it might be.


ar-15 possibly?
 
2012-12-11 09:02:00 PM  
NotARocketScientist: If your wife has to worry about some guy attacking her in the mall parking lot, maybe she should shop some where a little safer

Ah yes, blame the victim. I was waiting for that one.


Carrying the gun is to counter the worry as I assume your wife does not lack common sense and doesn't actually go into war zones to shop.

I do notice that you haven't countered my primary argument that there are places where guns do and don't belong.
 
2012-12-11 09:02:17 PM  
urbannerd.com
Tis the season
 
2012-12-11 09:02:19 PM  

Marine1: CraicBaby: Reports of a .233 round found on the ground. Y'all who know more about guns can probably figure otu better than me what kind of gun it might be.

Probably .223.

AR-15 derived weapon is my first guess. Not definite though.


Oops yeah, .223. Typo.
 
2012-12-11 09:02:41 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Kuroshin: CraicBaby: All descriptions I've read so far say the shooter was wearing a white mask of some sort.

Whitemask? Racist!


Some reports said it was a hockey mask


A "honkey mask"?! How is that any better?!
 
2012-12-11 09:02:44 PM  

DubtodaIll: I've never really understood the fear of gunscrack. I don't know if this is true for everyone, but I had a friend in school who was completely anti-guncrack. He wanted to do drastic things like invent a time machine and go un-invent the guncrack and stuff like that or whatever. Anyway, we convinced him to go to a gun range crackhouse with us and actually fire a weaponup a rock, as he had never actually used a guncrack before. He loved it, he had so much fun in fact, he now does recreational shootings heroin in a league his scrotum and stuff.
Anyway, I just feel like most of the people railing against gunscrack have never actually used oneit to learn how freaking amazing they areit is. Though I do feel a return to swords and hand to hand combat absinthe and laudanum would do wonders for civil society.


FTFLULZ
Stupid line of reasoning pal.
 
2012-12-11 09:03:00 PM  

Marine1: CraicBaby: Reports of a .233 round found on the ground. Y'all who know more about guns can probably figure otu better than me what kind of gun it might be.

Probably .223.

AR-15 derived weapon is my first guess. Not definite though.


A tactically modified Mini-14 is also possible, but an AR-15 is more likely.
 
2012-12-11 09:03:18 PM  

Mrbogey: grunthos: So, the Koreans and Japanese don't have crazy people shooting them....but they got crazy people killing them all the same. If they'd allowed more guns, it looks like they'd be safer. At least the body count would go down.

With more thoughtful planning, the Aurora massacre could have killed nearly everyone in the theatre with far less time, money, and effort.


It's not a good comparison anyway, because the truly dedicated nutjobs just find a way to gas people instead (for example).
 
2012-12-11 09:03:34 PM  

clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?


Well we have plenty of responsible anti-murder legislation. Good thing criminals follow laws or things like this would happen.
 
2012-12-11 09:03:54 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: That's not what it's about. It's not about gun minutia obsessions, it's about how the media sensationalizes everything, such that a guy with an Airsoft gun is walking around carrying the latest and greatest black full-auto killing machine. It's not that they have to know the difference between a Glock and anything else, but that they don't need to make stuff up.



Okay, that's more reasonable, then.

Did the airsoft thing actually happen? Do those kinds of stories happen a lot? If they do I never take notice, unlike incidents like tonight's which you can't help but notice.
 
2012-12-11 09:04:01 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: It's not a good comparison anyway, because the truly dedicated nutjobs just find a way to gas people instead (for example).


You know, it reminds me of an issue of Spider-man I did. When Peter Parker and Gwen Stacy went lingerie shopping. Of course, the Green Goblin showed up, and he pumpkin-bombed the hell out of the place. But aside from that, it's pretty much the same thing.
 
2012-12-11 09:04:15 PM  

CraicBaby: Marine1: CraicBaby: Reports of a .233 round found on the ground. Y'all who know more about guns can probably figure otu better than me what kind of gun it might be.

Probably .223.

AR-15 derived weapon is my first guess. Not definite though.

Oops yeah, .223. Typo.


Well, there goes my handgun theory.
 
2012-12-11 09:04:15 PM  

some_beer_drinker: for the love of god, please take the guns away from Americans, they are far too irresponsible.


If you don't have to give up your car because some idiot drove drunk with theirs, why should I have to give up my gun because others commit crimes with theirs?
 
2012-12-11 09:04:18 PM  

CraicBaby: Reports of a .233 round found on the ground. Y'all who know more about guns can probably figure otu better than me what kind of gun it might be.


AR-15 or similar rifle, like a SIG556 or something. In any event, it's almost certainly an assault rifle.
 
2012-12-11 09:04:21 PM  

jaylectricity: Lenny_da_Hog: jaylectricity: Bathia_Mapes: jaylectricity: There are shootings every day. Why do we care about this one?


Are there shootings in malls everyday?  I think not.

So it's the mall that makes the difference? Why?

Because it affected thousands of people all at once.

The freeway had to be closed. People had to be warned to stay away. Law enforcement had to account for the safety of hundreds of people inside. Mass transit was diverted. Many people were affected by one person with a weapon.

That's why.

OK...so why don't we have to divert traffic when there's a shooting in the ghetto?


There's not as much traffic in the ghetto.
 
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