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2012-12-11 08:37:08 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Pharacyde: I went to my local mall just today. I have a CHP but this mall specifically states "No weapons or firearms allowed, concealed or otherwise."
Makes me think twice about shopping there.

Criminals and not jobs don't care about signs.

Because you'd totally engage a shooter and take him out, right?


Not necessarily. But at least I'd have the ability to defend myself or my family.
 
2012-12-11 08:37:20 PM

GAT_00: ronaprhys: Face it - you've got nothing to stand on here.

Yeah, mass murder is nothing worth stopping.

[thismodernworld.com image 720x672] 

Freedom means innocents die for no farking reason. Gotta love the NRA.


Mass murder is definitely worth stopping, dolt. It's just that you're suggestions will do absolutely nothing to that end. But keep throwing out your failed arguments and waiting, with baited breath, for things like this to happen again so you can act all superior.

Seriously - you fail.
 
2012-12-11 08:37:48 PM

beta_plus: beerbaron: clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?

Exactly how would you enforce this? House to house searches?

Hey man, at this point liberals want responsible free speech legislation after that hateful youtube video caused the people of benghazi to spontaneously murder our Ambassador by shelling him with mortars they just happened to be carrying around.


Lol, Benghazi.

Seriously, that poor chicken.
 
2012-12-11 08:38:06 PM

Kuroshin: Okay, outline a plan to remove firearms from the criminal populace.


Here's the problem with this line of thinking: James Holmes (to the best of my knowledge) did not become a criminal UNTIL he used his legally purchased firearms to shoot up a room full of moviegoers.
 
2012-12-11 08:38:12 PM

Kuroshin: CraicBaby: All descriptions I've read so far say the shooter was wearing a white mask of some sort.

Whitemask? Racist!



Some reports said it was a hockey mask
 
2012-12-11 08:38:17 PM
The mall will be closed for a while. This will be bad for the Xmas sales season.
 
2012-12-11 08:38:21 PM
A shooting at a mall in Portland, Ore., on Tuesday afternoon left multiple dead and wounded, according to Lt. James Rhodes

What good is the War Machine or Iron Patriot armor if the motherfarker isn't even going to have it with him?
 
2012-12-11 08:38:22 PM

ronaprhys: Seriously - you fail.


Maybe he's calmed down, we'll talk about it reasonably.
 
2012-12-11 08:38:24 PM
Shooter is dead.
 
2012-12-11 08:38:40 PM
In other new Best Korea just fired a long range rocket.
 
2012-12-11 08:38:42 PM
targeted Santa Claus? lol! wtf is this an infomercial?
 
2012-12-11 08:39:08 PM

moops: Ah, Clackamas Town Center. The "Town Center" is a mall. There's an Olive Garden and everything.


I've been to OG twice. I'd rather have a farking steamed hot dog in a soggy bun.
 
2012-12-11 08:39:12 PM

epyonyx: NewportBarGuy: Was it a Glock or an AK-47?

/Apologies to the families of the lost and/or wounded.

[journalists guide.jpg]

/oblig



I'm not new to Fark, and I can appreciate tasteless humor as much as anyone (I laughed at some examples earlier in this thread), but that stupid graphic stopped being funny five shootings ago if you ask me.

It wasn't really all that funny to begin with. Everyone has a right to their own nerdy obsessions, but y'know what? Guns all look alike to me. I'm not interested in them, so my eyes glaze over and I don't pay that much attention to them. They might as well be pokemon or something. I expect about a hundred million other Americans are the same way, so I give journalists a little slack if they don't have a few hundred firearms' identifying characteristics memorized.

I'm probably overthinking this, but every time that stupid picture shows up it makes me think that the poster believes that the tragedy of lost lives is outweighed by the tragedy that too many journalists don't have a nerdy gun obsession, and I find that kind of abhorrent. I'm really starting to hate that stupid picture.
 
2012-12-11 08:39:22 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Lt. Cheese Weasel: someonelse: Lt. Cheese Weasel: clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?

Of course the relevant issue isn't whether violent criminals obey the law, but whether gun retailers do. But keep dancing with your straw man.

Right, so punish the lawful, ignore the lawless and you have a very nice cardboard box to bloviate more nonesense in the town square.

Question: how many mass shootings are caused by illegal guns?


Dunno, what's the present body count of cartel members and soldiers in Mexico, where legal ownership is practically illegal?
 
2012-12-11 08:39:27 PM
Guns don't kill people, people do, and if you say that maybe not everyone should be able to get a gun anytime they want for any reason, I'll shoot you.
 
2012-12-11 08:39:29 PM
Not surprised, hope i didn't know the shooter. You all remember that Oregon basically started the school shooting trend right? Kips still in lockup.
 
2012-12-11 08:39:54 PM
And there's the standard NRA return volley - fix everything immediately, or else nothing should ever change.
 
2012-12-11 08:39:55 PM

clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?


Sure, because the shooter totally pays attention to laws against murder. I'm sure he'll pay attention to gun laws.
 
2012-12-11 08:40:16 PM

CraicBaby: Shooter is dead.


Adventure, excitement... a Jedi craves not these things
 
2012-12-11 08:40:22 PM

CraicBaby: Shooter is dead.



Figured as much.  "Neutralized" is pretty much a code word for "dead". 
 
2012-12-11 08:40:26 PM
I think somebody got mad because their President is black.
 
2012-12-11 08:40:35 PM
Interesting press conference. No details past that no extra shooters, shooter died after police got there, three dead (counting the shooter.)
 
2012-12-11 08:40:59 PM
I don't really think more gun control can really ever help situations like this. I don't think less can either. Do you ever think how bad the massacre might be if we didn't let the crazies shoot up the place with their guns?

As dangerous as a gunshot wound is, it's nothing compared to VX gas, or a McVeigh style truck bomb. Or a wound from a 6 foot long sword. Most crazy batshiat mall shooters aren't exactly crack shots.

Concealed carry idiots are funny though. I know several IRL. They are so pants pissingly scared of life in general they won't take a ride to the gas station without being armed. And yet their biggest masturbatory fantasy is getting in an old west style shoot out and saving the day at some mall, at which point handgun loving big titted blondes appear and fellate them. That said, in my state it's a pretty rigorous process to be licensed so at least there is some kind of process to attempt to weed out the truly psychotic and criminally insane.

There are some restrictions that make sense. Former military and felon for having an armed stand off with a swat team because you stopped taking your lithium? Yeah, you probably shouldn't even be permitted lighter fluid, much less a firearm.(I know this person IRL, and he still illegally owns and shoots firearms, up to and including ar15s).
 
2012-12-11 08:41:01 PM

CraicBaby: Shooter is dead.


culturemob.com

RIP Shooter
 
2012-12-11 08:41:05 PM

CrackpipeCardozo: How much you want to bet there was more than one person carrying their concealed weapon this afternoon at the mall? Hell, I'd wager to guess that there were 2+ firearms in the Aurora theater that night in July, but nobody rose up and saved the day. Loudmouthed gun owners are hands down some of the biggest pussies I know


Nobody rose up and "saved the day" because there was probably no shot. You have to be able to identify your target, prove it is a threat and be cognizant of what is beyond it. it is possible that in a pitch-black theater with a 105dB movie on during a shooting scene, with smoke in the air, screams and shots coming from an unknown direction that if there was a CCW in the crowd, he probably decided that he would only exacerbate the situation had he drawn and fired.

Know how i know you've never spent one minute of your life at a range or talking to a firearms instructor?
 
2012-12-11 08:41:08 PM
Only 2 confirmed dead (not including shooter) so far. Dude wasn't a very good shot.
 
2012-12-11 08:41:16 PM
www.sunnewsnetwork.ca
 
2012-12-11 08:41:28 PM

Bathia_Mapes: Kuroshin: CraicBaby: All descriptions I've read so far say the shooter was wearing a white mask of some sort.

Whitemask? Racist!


Some reports said it was a hockey mask


Mirrormask?
 
2012-12-11 08:42:06 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Great Janitor: Gun control - when you're at a mall and you see a shooter, pull out your legally concealed firearm, and put two slugs into the shooters chest.

I wonder why nobody who is actually involved in a mass shooting has never done this before. With the number of times it's been suggested, if it's a plausible assertion you'd think it would have happened at least once.


Or maybe it's just because you don't hear about it. Link

"At about 1 p.m. MST (20:00 UTC), 30 minutes after the 11 a.m. service had ended at New Life Church, Murray opened fire in the church parking lot shooting the Works family and Judy Purcell, 40. Murray then entered the building's main foyer where he shot Larry Bourbonnais, 59, hitting him in the forearm. At this point, Assam opened fire on Murray with her personally owned concealed weapon. Police say that after suffering multiple hits from Assam's gun, Murray fatally shot himself."
 
2012-12-11 08:42:09 PM

CraicBaby: Only 2 confirmed dead (not including shooter) so far. Dude wasn't a very good shot.


Most of these assholes aren't. Or they use sub-optimal weapons and accessories.
 
2012-12-11 08:42:31 PM

GAT_00: And there's the standard NRA return volley - fix everything immediately, or else nothing should ever change.


As opposed to your failure of an idea - make it double-plus illegal to murder someone. That'll work.

Seriously - don't you ever get tired of being embarrassed in public?
 
2012-12-11 08:42:40 PM
I've never really understood the fear of guns. I don't know if this is true for everyone, but I had a friend in school who was completely anti-gun. He wanted to do drastic things like invent a time machine and go un-invent the gun and stuff like that or whatever. Anyway, we convinced him to go to a gun range with us and actually fire a weapon, as he had never actually used a gun before. He loved it, he had so much fun in fact, he now does recreational pistol shooting in a league and stuff.
Anyway, I just feel like most of the people railing against guns have never actually used one to learn how freaking amazing they are. Though I do feel a return to swords and hand to hand combat would do wonders for civil society.
 
2012-12-11 08:42:47 PM

skinink: Use of unnecessary violence in the apprehension of the Blues Brothers HAS been approved.

/This mall has EVERYTHING


You are infected with awesome
 
2012-12-11 08:42:48 PM

CrackpipeCardozo: Kuroshin: Okay, outline a plan to remove firearms from the criminal populace.

Here's the problem with this line of thinking: James Holmes (to the best of my knowledge) did not become a criminal UNTIL he used his legally purchased firearms to shoot up a room full of moviegoers.


And was already declared mentally unstable and a danger. This is why better mental Health care and legal records of mental health findings being linked to NICS is a good thing.

If NICS were to flag a guy for being judged mentally unfit, presuming the psychiatrist were given the option to have the person evaluated and ruled a danger, do you think they'd e given him a gun?
 
2012-12-11 08:43:01 PM

mall ... in the Portland suburb of Clackamas


I believe Douglas Coupland called it the "Clackamas County Mall" in Generation X.
 
2012-12-11 08:43:01 PM

Insatiable Jesus: I think somebody got mad because their President is black.


There's a lot of that sentiment in Clackamas County once you get a little bit away from PDX. It's a Teabagger haven.

/Clackamas County denizen
 
2012-12-11 08:43:56 PM
Report that his gun jammed.

Prediction: if he used an assault rifle, and it jammed, the magazine was large-capacity.
 
2012-12-11 08:43:59 PM

EatenTheSun: cameroncrazy1984: Great Janitor: Gun control - when you're at a mall and you see a shooter, pull out your legally concealed firearm, and put two slugs into the shooters chest.

I wonder why nobody who is actually involved in a mass shooting has never done this before. With the number of times it's been suggested, if it's a plausible assertion you'd think it would have happened at least once.

Or maybe it's just because you don't hear about it. Link

"At about 1 p.m. MST (20:00 UTC), 30 minutes after the 11 a.m. service had ended at New Life Church, Murray opened fire in the church parking lot shooting the Works family and Judy Purcell, 40. Murray then entered the building's main foyer where he shot Larry Bourbonnais, 59, hitting him in the forearm. At this point, Assam opened fire on Murray with her personally owned concealed weapon. Police say that after suffering multiple hits from Assam's gun, Murray fatally shot himself."


Ms. Assam had volunteered to provide security coverage because she was a private citizen with a privately owned firearm and a concealed weapons permit, therefore that incident does not count because she was a professional security guard.
 
2012-12-11 08:44:02 PM

Silly Jesus: Who cares? Two people just died in a car accident two cities away from me. Should I submit that with a BREAKING NEWS!!!!!ONE111!!! tag?


Your apathy is delightful!
 
2012-12-11 08:44:02 PM
So is the mall going to reopen in the morning? This is important.
 
2012-12-11 08:44:29 PM

vygramul: CraicBaby: Only 2 confirmed dead (not including shooter) so far. Dude wasn't a very good shot.

Most of these assholes aren't. Or they use sub-optimal weapons and accessories.


He supposedly fired at least 60 rounds, too. So yeah, probably a combination of inexperience, shiatty weaponry & shiatty accessories.
 
2012-12-11 08:44:51 PM
This is going to forever taint Mark Twain's short story The Celebrated Jumping Frog of Clackamas County
 
2012-12-11 08:44:54 PM

GAT_00: And there's the standard NRA return volley - fix everything immediately, or else nothing should ever change.


Ignoring the calls for programs and laws that might actually help people *and*stop mass murders... I get it though, if it's not YOUR solution, it's not worth acknowledging
 
2012-12-11 08:45:08 PM
Damn, and I JUST turned in my cable box this morning.

/15 minutes from Clackamas Town Center
 
2012-12-11 08:45:09 PM

CraicBaby: Only 2 confirmed dead (not including shooter) so far. Dude wasn't a very good shot.


Good.
 
2012-12-11 08:45:10 PM

GAT_00: And there's the standard NRA return volley - fix everything immediately, or else nothing should ever change.


Sometimes I think the only reason you are a successful troll is because people don't look at the username they are replying to.
 
2012-12-11 08:45:32 PM

CraicBaby:

He supposedly fired at least 60 rounds, too. So yeah, probably a combination of inexperience, shiatty weaponry & shiatty accessories.


Silent Bob stole the schematics from some foolish carpenter and found a weakness just like the farking Death Star. You knock this crossbeam out and, farkin' bickety-bam, the whole stage comes crashing down.
 
2012-12-11 08:45:37 PM

knowless: Not surprised, hope i didn't know the shooter. You all remember that Oregon basically started the school shooting trend right? Kips still in lockup.



No, not really.  There were several well known & publicized school shootings before Kip Kinkel.  Pearl, Mississippi and Jonesboro, Arkansas, for example.
 
2012-12-11 08:45:45 PM

vygramul: Report that his gun jammed.

Prediction: if he used an assault rifle, and it jammed, the magazine was large-capacity.


As such, civilian disarmament advocacy organizations will again demand imposition of a "large-capacity" magazine ban (where "large capacity" is dishonestly defined as any magazine capable of holding more than ten rounds of ammunition), so that homicidal mass shooters will be forced to rely upon more reliable magazines that are less likely to jam and thus allow them to continue causing harm uninterrupted.
 
2012-12-11 08:46:09 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: mall ... in the Portland suburb of Clackamas


I believe Douglas Coupland called it the "Clackamas County Mall" in Generation X.


It's officially in Happy Valley, OR.
 
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