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2012-12-11 11:42:18 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Doc Daneeka: Funny how an article about yet another firearm-related injury in this country (I think this makes #7,355,456,232) quickly veers off into a seeming editorial about how hunting is actually really safe and awesome.

Methinks the gun nuts doth protest too much.

Yeah, god damn reporters, with their "facts" and "statistics".


Speaking of "facts" and "statistics," it's statistically far more likely that a firearm in the household will wind up shooting a visitor, a family member (accident or domestic violence), or oneself (accident or suicide attempt), than of it ever being used in self-defense against an attacker.

If you don't want you or your family to be a victim of gun violence, one of the best things you can do, statistically speaking, is not have a gun in your house.
 
2012-12-11 11:43:44 PM

twistofsin: I'll bet most of the people who criticize the father in this thread have never even hunted in their life, let alone walked on a surface that wasn't paved or floored in the past 10 years.


I have no idea on the statistics you're looking for, but the father is an idiot.
 
2012-12-11 11:43:56 PM
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"You know, I brought you into this world..."
 
2012-12-11 11:44:44 PM

Doc Daneeka: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Doc Daneeka: Funny how an article about yet another firearm-related injury in this country (I think this makes #7,355,456,232) quickly veers off into a seeming editorial about how hunting is actually really safe and awesome.

Methinks the gun nuts doth protest too much.

Yeah, god damn reporters, with their "facts" and "statistics".

Speaking of "facts" and "statistics," it's statistically far more likely that a firearm in the household will wind up shooting a visitor, a family member (accident or domestic violence), or oneself (accident or suicide attempt), than of it ever being used in self-defense against an attacker.

If you don't want you or your family to be a victim of gun violence, one of the best things you can do, statistically speaking, is not have a gun in your house.


And that has fark all to do with hunting being safer now than at any time in the past. We get it, you're afraid of guns. So don't buy one, numbnuts.
 
2012-12-11 11:46:13 PM

skinink: "The Omaha father who accidentally shot his 18-year-old son while pheasant hunting in Iowa said Monday that he keeps replaying the accident but can't see what he could've done differently."
So rechecking your footing isn't something you could do differently? Jeebus, this kid won't make it to his 19th birthday if he keeps hunting with his dad.


This is bad news...for Omaha.
 
2012-12-11 11:49:29 PM
...and the doctor says, "It wasn't a bad wound. He might have pulled through if you hadn't cleaned and gutted him!"

*buh-dum, TISH*
 
2012-12-11 11:49:59 PM

twistofsin: I'll bet most of the people who criticize the father in this thread have never even hunted in their life, let alone walked on a surface that wasn't paved or floored in the past 10 years.


I have done quite a bit of bird hunting and the "feet don't move when the safety is off" rule is pretty basic. Birds come up, get a good stance, release safety as you are shouldering and then fire.
 
2012-12-11 11:51:40 PM
The Reverse Menendez is a very difficult maneuver to pull off.
 
2012-12-11 11:55:57 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: The Reverse Menendez is a very difficult maneuver to pull off.


It wasn't so difficult when I pulled it off on your moter last night! HIYO!
 
2012-12-11 11:59:21 PM
Because these typically end up as gun porn thread...for you bird hunters out there this is my bird gun:

www.budsgunshop.com

Legacy Escort (giggity) over/under 12ga
 
2012-12-11 11:59:29 PM
Did the boy apologize to his dad afterwards?

No?

www.sacbee.com
Farkin' amateur.
 
2012-12-12 12:05:43 AM

Aces and Eights: Reminds me of an old kind of naughty joke that goes something like this:

A family is dining on a pheasant that the dad shot. Later the young son cries out from the bathroom, "Mamma! Daddy! Help, help! I'm peeing B.B.s!!"

Dad says "Don't worry son, you just swallowed some buckshot. It'll pass."

Later the boy calls out from his bedroom, "Help! Help!". His parents tell him to calm down, not to worry; he just swallowed some buckshot.

The boy says, "No you don't understand! This time I was jerking off and I SHOT the DOG!"

/poor ol' bird dog.
//I'm sure he was fine. Probably not traveling at a high velocity.


Naughty is about all that joke has going for it. The thought of solid objects coming out of the urinary system makes my kidneys hurt.
 
2012-12-12 12:08:52 AM

Aces and Eights: Reminds me of an old kind of naughty joke that goes something like this:

A family is dining on a pheasant that the dad shot. Later the young son cries out from the bathroom, "Mamma! Daddy! Help, help! I'm peeing B.B.s!!"

Dad says "Don't worry son, you just swallowed some buckshot. It'll pass."

Later the boy calls out from his bedroom, "Help! Help!". His parents tell him to calm down, not to worry; he just swallowed some buckshot.

The boy says, "No you don't understand! This time I was jerking off and I SHOT the DOG!"

/poor ol' bird dog.
//I'm sure he was fine. Probably not traveling at a high velocity.


Or the 911 call joke

I need help...we were hunting and I just killed Jim
Ok sir, I am going to need you to calm down...first make sure he is dead
Ughhh....ok..........BLAM! BLAM!!! Ok, I am sure he is dead
 
2012-12-12 12:09:31 AM

jaytkay: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Shouldn't a dude who shoots another person while hunting pheasant be criticized?

Or arrested?

/ Oh, never mind, he's a white suburban middle-aged male. They never break the law.


Well you're clearly either trolling or didn't read the article. A son pressing charges on his dad for tripping and being shot when the gun fell? Can you go to jail for tripping? I want to believe you're trolling, but I've been here long enough to know there's people that dumb who post.
 
2012-12-12 12:11:59 AM

Doc Daneeka: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Doc Daneeka: Funny how an article about yet another firearm-related injury in this country (I think this makes #7,355,456,232) quickly veers off into a seeming editorial about how hunting is actually really safe and awesome.

Methinks the gun nuts doth protest too much.

Yeah, god damn reporters, with their "facts" and "statistics".

Speaking of "facts" and "statistics," it's statistically far more likely that a firearm in the household will wind up shooting a visitor, a family member (accident or domestic violence), or oneself (accident or suicide attempt), than of it ever being used in self-defense against an attacker.

If you don't want you or your family to be a victim of gun violence, one of the best things you can do, statistically speaking, is not have a gun in your house.


Oh look! It's that old canard from Josh Sugarman! Do you admire him for some reason?  You know that antecdote is bullshiat, right?
 
2012-12-12 12:17:13 AM

Doc Daneeka: If you don't want you or your family to be a victim of gun violence, one of the best things you can do, statistically speaking, is not have a gun in your house


LaughingRadish: Oh look! It's that old canard from Josh Sugarman! Do you admire him for some reason? You know that antecdote is bullshiat, right?


So you're saying the weekly stories in the US about guys killing their families and themselves after a "barricade situation" involve men who do not own guns?

Sounds legit!
 
2012-12-12 12:24:53 AM
farkin' nebraskans over here in lord satan's country

go kill your own damn deer, peasants!
 
2012-12-12 12:30:28 AM
Wasn't that a Simpsons episode?

By the way, the commentary with John Waters is very entertaining. He makes a great guest commentator as well as a great guest voice.
 
2012-12-12 12:49:39 AM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Legacy Escort (giggity) 


I used to use their service in Manhattan...nice girls at a reasonable price.
 
2012-12-12 01:24:17 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: twistofsin: I'll bet most of the people who criticize the father in this thread have never even hunted in their life, let alone walked on a surface that wasn't paved or floored in the past 10 years.

Shouldn't a dude who shoots another person while hunting pheasant be criticized? Or is shooting relatives just accepted amongst hunters? Cause it seems like a horrific accident that should definitely be examined critically to prevent in the future. Then again, I am standing on a hard tile floor right now, so I'm probably talking out my ass.


Of course not! Everyone knows that safety is less important than hunting!
 
2012-12-12 01:28:19 AM

StopLurkListen: The Omaha father who accidentally shot his 18-year-old son while pheasant hunting in Iowa said Monday that he keeps replaying the accident but can't see what he could've done differently.

I've done far less irresponsible, stupid, harmful things in my life and I have ***NO***problem imagining ways they could have come out differently. A


You sound Canadian.
/don't take this comment seriously
 
2012-12-12 01:35:42 AM

LaughingRadish: Doc Daneeka: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Doc Daneeka: Funny how an article about yet another firearm-related injury in this country (I think this makes #7,355,456,232) quickly veers off into a seeming editorial about how hunting is actually really safe and awesome.

Methinks the gun nuts doth protest too much.

Yeah, god damn reporters, with their "facts" and "statistics".

Speaking of "facts" and "statistics," it's statistically far more likely that a firearm in the household will wind up shooting a visitor, a family member (accident or domestic violence), or oneself (accident or suicide attempt), than of it ever being used in self-defense against an attacker.

If you don't want you or your family to be a victim of gun violence, one of the best things you can do, statistically speaking, is not have a gun in your house.

Oh look! It's that old canard from Josh Sugarman! Do you admire him for some reason?  You know that antecdote is bullshiat, right?


Wanna know how I know you don't know what the word anecdote means? Aside from the fact that you can't spell it?
 
2012-12-12 02:10:11 AM

Mrbogey: I think a lot of people would not think about footing unless they had it drilled into their heads.


I saw what you did there.
 
2012-12-12 03:58:45 AM
The king of spain understands this man's pain.
 
2012-12-12 11:37:21 AM
"It was just one of those situations that you can't control," Chris Rearick said Monday afternoon at Creighton University Medical Center, where his son is recovering. "I could see the whole thing unfolding as I fell.

"I could see my gun, but I couldn't correct it."

Rearick and his son, Ryan, were hunting about 10:30 a.m. Saturday east of Essex in Page County, Iowa, when the older man stumbled while lining up a bird. His 12-gauge shotgun veered right and went off.


Gee, you could have tried standing still while lining up your shot.
 
2012-12-12 11:38:53 AM

twistofsin: I'll bet most of the people who criticize the father in this thread have never even hunted in their life, let alone walked on a surface that wasn't paved or floored in the past 10 years.


No, and yet I know to not be walking around when I try to shoot something.
 
2012-12-12 11:48:22 AM
"It was just one of those situations that you can't control," Chris Rearick said

If only there were some way to temporarily disable a gun when walking in the woods.
 
2012-12-12 12:06:25 PM

twistofsin: I'll bet most of the people who criticize the father in this thread have never even hunted in their life, let alone walked on a surface that wasn't paved or floored in the past 10 years.


I've been hunting the woods of Northern Wisconsin since I was 10, shooting since I was five; this guy is a farking idiot. Sacrificing footing to position for a shot is a mistake I'd expect from a hobby hunter, not somebody who knows what the hell they're doing.
 
2012-12-12 12:41:37 PM
I hope the pheasant dinner was worth it
 
2012-12-12 09:04:52 PM

Abacus9: LaughingRadish: Doc Daneeka: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Doc Daneeka: Funny how an article about yet another firearm-related injury in this country (I think this makes #7,355,456,232) quickly veers off into a seeming editorial about how hunting is actually really safe and awesome.

Methinks the gun nuts doth protest too much.

Yeah, god damn reporters, with their "facts" and "statistics".

Speaking of "facts" and "statistics," it's statistically far more likely that a firearm in the household will wind up shooting a visitor, a family member (accident or domestic violence), or oneself (accident or suicide attempt), than of it ever being used in self-defense against an attacker.

If you don't want you or your family to be a victim of gun violence, one of the best things you can do, statistically speaking, is not have a gun in your house.

Oh look! It's that old canard from Josh Sugarman! Do you admire him for some reason?  You know that antecdote is bullshiat, right?

Wanna know how I know you don't know what the word anecdote means? Aside from the fact that you can't spell it?


The point is that the factoid came from Josh Sugarman, a man who has a very poor grasp on integrity, honesty, and mathematics.
 
2012-12-13 12:14:32 AM

LaughingRadish: Abacus9: LaughingRadish: Doc Daneeka: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Doc Daneeka: Funny how an article about yet another firearm-related injury in this country (I think this makes #7,355,456,232) quickly veers off into a seeming editorial about how hunting is actually really safe and awesome.

Methinks the gun nuts doth protest too much.

Yeah, god damn reporters, with their "facts" and "statistics".

Speaking of "facts" and "statistics," it's statistically far more likely that a firearm in the household will wind up shooting a visitor, a family member (accident or domestic violence), or oneself (accident or suicide attempt), than of it ever being used in self-defense against an attacker.

If you don't want you or your family to be a victim of gun violence, one of the best things you can do, statistically speaking, is not have a gun in your house.

Oh look! It's that old canard from Josh Sugarman! Do you admire him for some reason?  You know that antecdote is bullshiat, right?

Wanna know how I know you don't know what the word anecdote means? Aside from the fact that you can't spell it?

The point is that the factoid came from Josh Sugarman, a man who has a very poor grasp on integrity, honesty, and mathematics.


Fair enough, but I think we can agree that while this was a complete accident, it was also completely irresponsible.
 
2012-12-13 09:38:45 AM

LaughingRadish: Abacus9: LaughingRadish: Doc Daneeka: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Doc Daneeka: Funny how an article about yet another firearm-related injury in this country (I think this makes #7,355,456,232) quickly veers off into a seeming editorial about how hunting is actually really safe and awesome.

Methinks the gun nuts doth protest too much.

Yeah, god damn reporters, with their "facts" and "statistics".

Speaking of "facts" and "statistics," it's statistically far more likely that a firearm in the household will wind up shooting a visitor, a family member (accident or domestic violence), or oneself (accident or suicide attempt), than of it ever being used in self-defense against an attacker.

If you don't want you or your family to be a victim of gun violence, one of the best things you can do, statistically speaking, is not have a gun in your house.

Oh look! It's that old canard from Josh Sugarman! Do you admire him for some reason?  You know that antecdote is bullshiat, right?

Wanna know how I know you don't know what the word anecdote means? Aside from the fact that you can't spell it?

The point is that the factoid came from Josh Sugarman, a man who has a very poor grasp on integrity, honesty, and mathematics.


I have no idea who John Sugarman is, just as you evidently don't know what an anecdote it.

I was referring to statistical data, as gathered in a large number of published studies of the matter.

For instance:

Link

Those persons with guns in the home were at greater risk than those without guns in the home of dying from a homicide in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 1.9, 95% confidence interval: 1.1, 3.4). They were also at greater risk of dying from a firearm homicide, but risk varied by age and whether the person was living with others at the time of death. The risk of dying from a suicide in the home was greater for males in homes with guns than for males without guns in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 10.4, 95% confidence interval: 5.8, 18.9). Persons with guns in the home were also more likely to have died from suicide committed with a firearm than from one committed by using a different method (adjusted odds ratio = 31.1, 95% confidence interval: 19.5, 49.6). Results show that regardless of storage practice, type of gun, or number of firearms in the home, having a gun in the home was associated with an increased risk of firearm homicide and firearm suicide in the home.

Link

For most contemporary Americans, scientific studies indicate that the health risk of a gun in the home is greater than the benefit. The evidence is overwhelming for the fact that a gun in the home is a risk factor for completed suicide and that gun accidents are most likely to occur in homes with guns. There is compelling evidence that a gun in the home is a risk factor for intimidation and for killing women in their homes. On the benefit side, there are fewer studies, and there is no credible evidence of a deterrent effect of firearms or that a gun in the home reduces the likelihood or severity of injury during an altercation or break-in.

Link

we found that keeping a gun in the home was strongly and independently associated with an increased risk of homicide (adjusted odds ratio, 2.7; 95 percent confidence interval, 1.6 to 4.4). Virtually all of this risk involved homicide by a family member or intimate acquaintance.

Link

For every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides.

CONCLUSIONS:
Guns kept in homes are more likely to be involved in a fatal or nonfatal accidental shooting, criminal assault, or suicide attempt than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense.

Link

Based on a review of the available scientific data, Dr. Lippmann and co-authors conclude that the dangers of having a gun at home far outweigh the safety benefits. Research shows that access to guns greatly increases the risk of death and firearm-related violence. A gun in the home is twelve times more likely to result in the death of a household member or visitor than an intruder.
 
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