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(Pittsburgh City Paper)   Gentlemen, the situation is dire: our employees are forced to go to food banks to make ends meet. Therefore, I propose, we open our own food bank   (pghcitypaper.com) divider line 381
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2012-12-11 11:13:55 PM

willfullyobscure: Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: You should pay me more than I'm worth!

No wage slave has ever been paid even half of what he's worth.

I don't mean your unicorn fru-fru fantasy idea of what his soul is worth...I mean his worth to the company.

If you're making the company a $10 profit per hour of your labor, your labor isn't worth $15 an hour, no matter how hungry your family is.

I don't want to get into a long discussion, but $10 profit is above and beyond the wage you're paying the worker. I'm talking about the wealth created by a wage slave's work.

Huh?

I own a company, and I sell widgets. I get $11 for each widget that I sell. I pay Bob $10 for each widget that he makes, but his family is hungry. What is your solution for the evil business owner?

An investigation by the IRS and the FBI, because any business with that kind of COGS ratio in gross margins is clearly a money laundering operation and Bob is muling the dough out of the country up his ass or baked into the widgets.


Are you kidding?? Oil refiners and grocers would KILL for a 9% margin.
 
2012-12-11 11:14:12 PM

nytmare: Scott Adams could make a week-long Dilbert series out of this article.


But Scott Adams is a right-wing fascist pig.
 
2012-12-11 11:15:39 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: ShavedApe: It's interesting looking at UPMC's financial statements. It's especially interesting when you know that companies cook the books prior to making them public.

Link the their 2011 financial statements. (PDF warning)

So, $3.5 billion in unrestricted CASH and another $3.5 billion in the rainy-day-golf-trips-to-Bermuda fund. And they're pulling in $500 million in extra cash year-over-year in spite of an aggressive building program.

Niiiiiiiiice.


Who's annual report are you reading?
 
2012-12-11 11:16:37 PM
"It was two days before Thanksgiving and my unit director came up, put an arm around me and said 'we've been hearing what you've been saying,'" Poston told City Paper earlier today. "She pulled out a flyer and said, 'We're starting a food bank for the employees.'"

/Really, you're going to give me surplus cheese and mystery meat instead of a living wage, and decent benefits? YAY YOU...WHAT A GUY!! I wonder how much the unit director is making a year. This is exactly why they should join the union. A livable wage and benefit, that is fair to the employees and to the company. Of course the only way this will happen is to vote it in at 51 percent. Good luck folks.

/SEIU member...
//contract negotiation team.
 
2012-12-11 11:17:32 PM

wholedamnshow: Gordian Cipher: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Hey! Here's another great idea!

/Have the company open a store where employees can buy necessities like food and clothing on credit. Then the payments could just be taken directly out of their paychecks
//what could possibly go wrong?

Heh, my company lets you link your paycheck with your ID badge, so you can just swipe your badge in the cafeteria and have the money taken out of your paycheck. I'm sure it's all legal (Fortune 500 company and all), but it seems awful close to Hooverville.

/I don't do that
//I'd rather put it on the credit card that earns me points

I work at a hospital that does this. I eat two meals a day there since I do not have time in the morning to eat breakfast beforehand and I'm happy to just eat sandwiches in the afternoon. Paying this on a credit card is silly since your credit card accumulates interest and having it withdrawn from your paycheck is the same as cash.


If they're not selling that food at cost, they are flat out stealing from you mang.
 
2012-12-11 11:17:53 PM

GAT_00: That sounds about right. Don't pay your workers enough? Why not open a food bank so other people can buy them food that you won't pay them enough for.

This is exactly what you get with capitalism.


In your profile you say that you like capitalism.
 
2012-12-11 11:20:22 PM

Silly Jesus: joonyer: Silly Jesus: Holy shiat you people are nit-picky. This thread is the definition of can't see the forest for the trees. The example was broad and cobbled together...it was only meant to represent the idea of not being able to raise pay because it would cut out any profit. People's value, in dollars, is limited by what value, in dollars, they produce.

Is everyone here farking autistic? That's a serious question.

HAHA! I used an idiotic example to explain a complex problem! And when you claim it makes no sense, I'll just say that you don't get it! HAHA!

Forest for the trees....classic backpedal of a dumbass argument.

In summary, Silly Jesus, I could eat alphabet soup and shiat a better argument than that.

It's the fact that everyone was concentrating on a mis-statement and ignoring the larger argument. I really does seem autistic. Aspergers maybe?


No, it's that you sound less informed than a grade ten student who took an intro to business class.
 
2012-12-11 11:23:43 PM

Funk Brothers: You see corporations do care about their people. When their employees don't make enough, they come with charity. Wal-Mart should open up food banks for their employees too.

We don't need unions, we need charity.


What about the mom and pop stores that pay their employees the same or less than Walmart pays? Should they open food banks too?
 
2012-12-11 11:24:25 PM

IlGreven: Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: You should pay me more than I'm worth!

No wage slave has ever been paid even half of what he's worth.

I don't mean your unicorn fru-fru fantasy idea of what his soul is worth...I mean his worth to the company.

If you're making the company a $10 profit per hour of your labor, your labor isn't worth $15 an hour, no matter how hungry your family is.

I don't want to get into a long discussion, but $10 profit is above and beyond the wage you're paying the worker. I'm talking about the wealth created by a wage slave's work.

Huh?

I own a company, and I sell widgets. I get $11 for each widget that I sell. I pay Bob $10 for each widget that he makes, but his family is hungry. What is your solution for the evil business owner?

Liquidation. You run a lousy company, and you're doing Bob no favors by not being able to pay him a living wage. It'll hurt, but it'll be better in the long run.


This. Why can't Bob sell his widgets directly for $11 each? He's the one actually producing anything of value.
 
2012-12-11 11:24:35 PM

bookman: Funk Brothers: You see corporations do care about their people. When their employees don't make enough, they come with charity. Wal-Mart should open up food banks for their employees too.

We don't need unions, we need charity.

What about the mom and pop stores that pay their employees the same or less than Walmart pays? Should they open food banks too?


Oh, wait. That was a rational question. Not needed nor wanted in this thread. Sorry.
 
2012-12-11 11:24:41 PM

pxlboy: Insatiable Jesus: Either decide that you want to live as a serf under some corporate feudal system or if you want to take your country, and your world back.

Make no mistake, the enemy of America are the wealthy and the corporatists. They launched a coup on this country. Remember oil going out of sight for no readily apparent reason? Yeah, that was them sucking all the the money possible out of the bottom of the system. The Wall Street crash? That was money being sucked out of the top of the system. They systematically looted our wealth from bottom to top and blamed it on speculators and black people buying homes, respectively.

Now they sit on their wealth while the nation that played host to so many of them bleeds and suffers. And these insufferable pricks use that misery to hold this nation hostage and demand the dismantling of decades worth of hard fought labor law and lower taxes for themselves.

Power has never simply quit the field. Never in history has power just stepped aside or stopped seeking MORE power. It has to be driven off with blades and bullets. Power only understands power. These people have no intention of stopping until they have as much power and control over our lives as possible. The see this nation as something for them to rightfully plunder, citing the fact that people like themselves built this country and created this economy. Never mind that if any of the wealthy families of today never existed, somebody else would have done those same things. But they believe themselves to be special, above us.

They need to be shown that they are not special. That they bleed and suffer and burn like those that they tread upon so callously.

Musket Balls.

Faces.

It's time to take out the Tories, again.

This.


I'm not going to hold my breath....
 
2012-12-11 11:24:46 PM
hope and change...
 
2012-12-11 11:24:54 PM

skullkrusher: gladly... just quote where i said that


Implicature. Applied to this turd of a comment:

skullkrusher: Twenty-three employees pulling in more than a million? In a $5 billion non-profit?
I think I know where I'd look for enough money to get Leslie and her chainmates a raise to a living wage after nine years.

a different job?


Now break out the math and offer a principled argument for your position that she can't be paid a living wage for her work
- or go back to your X-Box.

Just pick one.
 
2012-12-11 11:28:02 PM

BarkingUnicorn: demaL-demaL-yeH: ShavedApe: It's interesting looking at UPMC's financial statements. It's especially interesting when you know that companies cook the books prior to making them public.

Link the their 2011 financial statements. (PDF warning)

So, $3.5 billion in unrestricted CASH and another $3.5 billion in the rainy-day-golf-trips-to-Bermuda fund. And they're pulling in $500 million in extra cash year-over-year in spite of an aggressive building program.

Niiiiiiiiice.

Who's annual report are you reading?


Oh, it's you, the overly-persistent thread-shiatter. I'm going to farkie you in troll gray 1.
Somebody here will tell me when you finally make a reasoned response.
RTFT (Read this fine thread.)
 
2012-12-11 11:28:25 PM
Suckmaster Burstingfoam: pxlboy: Insatiable Jesus: Either decide that you want to live as a serf under some corporate feudal system or if you want to take your country, and your world back.

Make no mistake, the enemy of America are the wealthy and the corporatists. They launched a coup on this country. Remember oil going out of sight for no readily apparent reason? Yeah, that was them sucking all the the money possible out of the bottom of the system. The Wall Street crash? That was money being sucked out of the top of the system. They systematically looted our wealth from bottom to top and blamed it on speculators and black people buying homes, respectively.

Now they sit on their wealth while the nation that played host to so many of them bleeds and suffers. And these insufferable pricks use that misery to hold this nation hostage and demand the dismantling of decades worth of hard fought labor law and lower taxes for themselves.

Power has never simply quit the field. Never in history has power just stepped aside or stopped seeking MORE power. It has to be driven off with blades and bullets. Power only understands power. These people have no intention of stopping until they have as much power and control over our lives as possible. The see this nation as something for them to rightfully plunder, citing the fact that people like themselves built this country and created this economy. Never mind that if any of the wealthy families of today never existed, somebody else would have done those same things. But they believe themselves to be special, above us.

They need to be shown that they are not special. That they bleed and suffer and burn like those that they tread upon so callously.

Musket Balls.

Faces.

It's time to take out the Tories, again.

This.

I'm not going to hold my breath....

---------------------

Me either. We are pussified and pacified. People won't give a shiat or engage in any critical thinking until they're boiling down the leather seats from their Lexus for food. And then it will be too late.
 
2012-12-11 11:28:32 PM

Lsherm: The Jami Turman Fan Club: Silly Jesus: Holy shiat you people are nit-picky. This thread is the definition of can't see the forest for the trees. The example was broad and cobbled together...it was only meant to represent the idea of not being able to raise pay because it would cut out any profit. People's value, in dollars, is limited by what value, in dollars, they produce.

Is everyone here farking autistic? That's a serious question.

It was an unbelievably dumb question. Here's a better one.

Nurse Jane works in a hospital in Pittsburgh. She brings $300,000 worth of value to the hospital. UPMC knows she can't switch jobs because her mother is very ill and can't be moved or live on her own. Oh, and because UPMC owns all of the hospitals in a 20 mile radius.

Does UPMC have any obligation to pay Nurse Jane enough to eat and keep her heat and electricty on? Or should UPMC pay her the minimum possible, because they know she can't switch jobs?

Do you have any idea how much money nurses make? Choose a different profession for your example. RNs clean the fark up - they make more than engineers in most markets.


How does that make any difference? Jane can't move, and UPMC knows that. UPMC also has a monopoly in the area. Is it OK for UPMC to pay her starvation wages instead of the prevailing wage?
 
2012-12-11 11:29:07 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Implicature. Applied to this turd of a comment:


looks like your implicature was the "turd" but projection is all you have.

demaL-demaL-yeH: Now break out the math and offer a principled argument for your position that she can't be paid a living wage for her work


still isn't my argument. I am dreadfully sorry that you've got a counter all worked up for the argument you wish we were having but your dishonest attempts to create an argument which isn't happening aren't very well disguised.
 
2012-12-11 11:30:32 PM
Company stores. Wow, le plus ca change, le plus la meme chose.
 
2012-12-11 11:31:18 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: BarkingUnicorn: demaL-demaL-yeH: ShavedApe: It's interesting looking at UPMC's financial statements. It's especially interesting when you know that companies cook the books prior to making them public.

Link the their 2011 financial statements. (PDF warning)

So, $3.5 billion in unrestricted CASH and another $3.5 billion in the rainy-day-golf-trips-to-Bermuda fund. And they're pulling in $500 million in extra cash year-over-year in spite of an aggressive building program.

Niiiiiiiiice.

Who's annual report are you reading?

Oh, it's you, the overly-persistent thread-shiatter. I'm going to farkie you in troll gray 1.
Somebody here will tell me when you finally make a reasoned response.
RTFT (Read this fine thread.)


I was reading UMPMC's 2011 annual report, linked above. It's nothing like what you describe.
 
2012-12-11 11:32:07 PM
So, if I'm reading this thread correctly, Henry Ford was a raging fool. ...Alrighty then.
 
2012-12-11 11:32:42 PM

Silly Jesus: Is everyone here farking autistic? That's a serious question.


People nitpic when they can't discuss ideas without sounding like a total moran.

I've had that happen a lot in working environments where people like the debate "facts" that really amount to a hill of beans in the larger picture.
 
2012-12-11 11:33:13 PM

thenino85: Pittsburgh Farker here.

UPMC (and yes, that's what it's known as by everyone here, I don't think I've heard "University of Pittsburgh Medical Center" sounded out in years) practically IS Oakland and has a substantial presence in other parts of the city. They've been able to slowly choke out other hospitals by not allowing the UPMC health insurance plan to cover those hospitals that might actually pose a threat. Small practices have also given up trying to work with UPMC and just let themselves be bought out and be done with it. Evil profit-seeking corporation, right? Look at the name! It's a non-profit school-affiliated medical center! This is a Farker's wet dream! This is what you want on a national scale!

Although, I wouldn't trust anything City Paper says. They're your typical hipster/20-something self described radical newpaper that you'll see at any coffee. The kind of paper that every city is by law required to have at least one of. They have local music listings, that's about the only reason I ever read it.


Pitt is not a "state" school, per se, though. It's "state-related", but it's not under state control. UPMC itself has its roots in Presbyterian Hospital, and has never been under true state control.
 
2012-12-11 11:36:56 PM

Silly Jesus: I own a company, and I sell widgets. I get $11 for each widget that I sell. I pay Bob $10 for each widget that he makes, but his family is hungry. What is your solution for the evil business owner?


Stop being a sociopathic farktard

Pay Bob a living wage. Raise the cost of widgets to reflect the increased labor costs.
 
2012-12-11 11:38:05 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: How does that make any difference? Jane can't move, and UPMC knows that. UPMC also has a monopoly in the area. Is it OK for UPMC to pay her starvation wages instead of the prevailing wage?


You meant, "living wage," obviously. The prevailing wage is exactly what Jane is getting, if UPMC has a monopoly.

The problem with "living wage" is that it's different for different lives. Jane has a sick mother, maybe four kids. John has no dependents. How do you justify paying Jane more than John for doing the same job?

I've asked this question many times in many threads. Crickets.
 
2012-12-11 11:39:11 PM

dericwater: Company stores. Wow, le plus ca change, le plus la meme chose.


this is a terrible solution to a labor grievance but it is nothing at all like a company store
 
2012-12-11 11:40:18 PM

Cataholic: willfullyobscure: Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: You should pay me more than I'm worth!

No wage slave has ever been paid even half of what he's worth.

I don't mean your unicorn fru-fru fantasy idea of what his soul is worth...I mean his worth to the company.

If you're making the company a $10 profit per hour of your labor, your labor isn't worth $15 an hour, no matter how hungry your family is.

I don't want to get into a long discussion, but $10 profit is above and beyond the wage you're paying the worker. I'm talking about the wealth created by a wage slave's work.

Huh?

I own a company, and I sell widgets. I get $11 for each widget that I sell. I pay Bob $10 for each widget that he makes, but his family is hungry. What is your solution for the evil business owner?

An investigation by the IRS and the FBI, because any business with that kind of COGS ratio in gross margins is clearly a money laundering operation and Bob is muling the dough out of the country up his ass or baked into the widgets.

Are you kidding?? Oil refiners and grocers would KILL for a 9% margin.



Read it again, employee compensation is 91% of unit production before any other cost. That's either an economy of scale that makes Wal*mart look like a corner store, or its gross misuse of funds and incredibly suspicious. Vastly overpaying employees for doing almost nothing is a classic money laundering ploy.

Or maybe Bob's selling $11 cakes at the church bake sale on Fridays and Silly Jesus is taking the $1 as a tithe and we're talking $40-50/week, in whcih case, Bob needs to give up baking and go find a real job so his family can eat.
 
2012-12-11 11:42:06 PM

Catlike Typist: So, if I'm reading this thread correctly, Henry Ford was a raging fool. ...Alrighty then.


Henry could pretty much pay whatever he wanted because he had a large productivity advantage over competitors. For a while. That time is past.
 
2012-12-11 11:43:23 PM
Well, if it's like any other type of bank, it will be run by Jews. So free bagels and latka for everyone!
 
2012-12-11 11:44:12 PM
This isn't 2007 anymore. Employers are struggling to meet payroll, food banks are drying up and there are millions of people who don't know where their next meal will come from.  'Charity', as crazy as it sounds, will be the new normal unless our economy is turned around.
 
2012-12-11 11:44:58 PM

TorqueToad: draa: Gordian Cipher: Heh, my company lets you link your paycheck with your ID badge, so you can just swipe your badge in the cafeteria and have the money taken out of your paycheck. I'm sure it's all legal (Fortune 500 company and all), but it seems awful close to Hooverville.

It's the same way at Wal-Mart. They don't allow you to put it on credit toward your paycheck but their employees buying goods from them is basically the same. If they pay someone $10 an hour but that person buys $200-$300 a month from their company, they are only paying that person about $6 an hour after their purchases. If you figure that most people employed at Wal-Mart have no choice but to shop at Wal-Mart(because it's all they can afford and still survive), then Wal-Mart is getting cheap labor because they don't pay shiat for the crap they sell anyway. It's a goddamn shame that people more people don't realize just how bad some companies are farking folks in this country and demand a change. I think we need about 2-3 days of a national strike but most people can't afford to miss that much work.

I don't really see the difference for the employee. So what if they buy stuff where they work? Wherever they buy their stuff that they need to live, they are paying retail markup to someone. Why not pay it to where they work? Or somewhere else? Really, why does it matter? It's not like they force the employees to do it. And this probably happens at most retail stores, not just Wal Mart anyway. I don't see any point to what you're saying here.


You make a good point but they are still getting cheap labor where if they paid a decent wage their employees would have a choice to shop at Wal-Mart or not. Most don't have that choice so it's really no different than the compay stores of old. I certainly know that many are eating Great Value foods because they can't afford anything else. So, if you think forcing people to buy your shiat because you don't pay them enough to have a choice is ok then good for you. Personally I think it's a racket to save money on wages because they know employees don't have much choice but to buy their crap. Where as if they paid more their employees could have better nutritional choices and could shop locally. I certainly know many that can't afford that though they would like to do so. Also. I was mainly refering to Food and not the other "cheap" crap that Wal-Mart sells. I should have been more clear on that point.
 
2012-12-11 11:45:36 PM

BarkingUnicorn: How do you justify paying Jane more than John for doing the same job?

I've asked this question many times in many threads. Crickets.


It's a stupid question.
Or, at least, it's stupid the way you've worded it.

A better question would be, what do we base it on?
Personal living expenses plus one dependent?
Family of four, single breadwinner?
No one has ever suggested it be different for people with different living situations.
 
2012-12-11 11:46:28 PM

lelio: People nitpic when they can't discuss ideas without sounding like a total moran.


You spelled nitpick wrong.
 
2012-12-11 11:47:23 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: UPMC is the biggest employer in the region, is one of the largest landowners, and is largely tax exempt. They threatened to cut off service to all Blue Cross customers if BC/BS bought one of the local smaller hospital systems.

They're kinda dicks.


Twenty-two executives and physicians at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center made more than $1 million in 2010, and UPMC President and CEO Jeffrey Romoff topped the list with $5.97 million in total compensation, according to a Pittsburgh Business Times report.

In 2010, Mr. Romoff had a base salary of $959,210, roughly $3.7 million in bonuses and incentives and nearly $800,000 in retirement benefits after turning 65, according to the report.
 
2012-12-11 11:47:30 PM
BarkingUnicorn: Catlike Typist: So, if I'm reading this thread correctly, Henry Ford was a raging fool. ...Alrighty then.

Henry could pretty much pay whatever he wanted because he had a large productivity advantage over competitors. For a while. That time is past.



------------------

Yeah, thanks to you and yours deciding that the Communist Chinese should be allowed to compete with the USA using an unpegged currency and govt subsidy of export product.
 
2012-12-11 11:47:36 PM

LordOfThePings: lelio: People nitpic when they can't discuss ideas without sounding like a total moran.

You spelled nitpick wrong.


He meant to say picnic, I think. It makes more sense in context.
 
2012-12-11 11:48:50 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: BarkingUnicorn: How do you justify paying Jane more than John for doing the same job?

I've asked this question many times in many threads. Crickets.

It's a stupid question.
Or, at least, it's stupid the way you've worded it.

A better question would be, what do we base it on?
Personal living expenses plus one dependent?
Family of four, single breadwinner?
No one has ever suggested it be different for people with different living situations.


Do it your way. Justify paying John for dependents he doesn't have.
 
2012-12-11 11:50:32 PM

Krymson Tyde: [i44.photobucket.com image 580x435]


Your magazine, subscribe to it I would.
 
2012-12-11 11:51:03 PM
i.imgur.com

UPMC?

i.imgur.com 
 
2012-12-11 11:51:41 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Well, if it's like any other type of bank, it will be run by Jews. So free bagels and latka for everyone!


Bank? We're talking about hospitals.

Come back when you have retuned your innappropriate racist joke generator.
 
2012-12-11 11:55:52 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Do it your way. Justify paying John for dependents he doesn't have.


We're not paying anyone based on the number of dependents he does have. In this hypothetical scenario, we're paying him based on the number he could have. He could use that money for anything. He could get himself a dependent. He could use it for education and training. He could blow it all on scratch off lottery tickets. It doesn't matter.
What does matter is that he can support himself, he's got spending money keep the economy going, and he's off the dole. It's the least we can offer anyone who works for a living.
 
2012-12-11 11:56:35 PM

Tyranicle: This isn't 2007 anymore. Employers are struggling to meet payroll, food banks are drying up and there are millions of people who don't know where their next meal will come from. 'Charity', as crazy as it sounds, will be the new normal unless our economy is turned around.


Somebody is doing well. 
 
2012-12-11 11:56:43 PM

JohnCarter: Just out of curiosity, I wonder how much she is getting paid per hour and what work she is doing. Also what is her situation.

- Does she have like 10 kids?
- Are the 10 kids from 8 dads who pay no support?
- Did she borrow foolishly in the housing bubble and now owes a huge mortgage she cannot cover?
- New car every 2 years?

Article lacks details to fuel our (possible) indignation


THIS. After I read the article I started wondering if she is just one of 100 with problems or is it every employee? Is her $200 per month cable bill causing her problems or is it because basic living expenses exceed her salary? Really do need more information before we can say the company is at fault or if the employee is the one to blame. Or both.
 
2012-12-11 11:57:47 PM

Fart_Machine: Tyranicle: This isn't 2007 anymore. Employers are struggling to meet payroll, food banks are drying up and there are millions of people who don't know where their next meal will come from. 'Charity', as crazy as it sounds, will be the new normal unless our economy is turned around.

Somebody is doing well.


Lord Black is doing wonderfully in his second term.
 
2012-12-12 12:05:45 AM

SithLord: Fart_Machine: SithLord: Welcome to Obama's America. This is what Pittsburgh voted for. Fark 'em.

LOLWUT?

The future of America. And Pittsburgh voted for the One bringing it all to us. Again, Fark 'em.


www.trilobite.org
You dumbshiats keep using that word...
 
2012-12-12 12:11:55 AM
Another worker who wants to destroy AMERICA! Like they destroyed Twinkies!!!!
 
2012-12-12 12:14:42 AM
"There's no pleasing some people."

"That's just what Jesus said, sir."
 
2012-12-12 12:15:26 AM

thenino85: Pittsburgh Farker here.

UPMC (and yes, that's what it's known as by everyone here, I don't think I've heard "University of Pittsburgh Medical Center" sounded out in years) practically IS Oakland and has a substantial presence in other parts of the city. They've been able to slowly choke out other hospitals by not allowing the UPMC health insurance plan to cover those hospitals that might actually pose a threat. Small practices have also given up trying to work with UPMC and just let themselves be bought out and be done with it. Evil profit-seeking corporation, right? Look at the name! It's a non-profit school-affiliated medical center! This is a Farker's wet dream! This is what you want on a national scale!

Although, I wouldn't trust anything City Paper says. They're your typical hipster/20-something self described radical newpaper that you'll see at any coffee. The kind of paper that every city is by law required to have at least one of. They have local music listings, that's about the only reason I ever read it.


So to summarize your point:
Everyone on Fark is wrong
The paper is wrong
UPMC is wrong
So everyone is wrong except you
 
2012-12-12 12:17:55 AM

Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: You should pay me more than I'm worth!

No wage slave has ever been paid even half of what he's worth.

I don't mean your unicorn fru-fru fantasy idea of what his soul is worth...I mean his worth to the company.

If you're making the company a $10 profit per hour of your labor, your labor isn't worth $15 an hour, no matter how hungry your family is.

I don't want to get into a long discussion, but $10 profit is above and beyond the wage you're paying the worker. I'm talking about the wealth created by a wage slave's work.

Huh?

I own a company, and I sell widgets. I get $11 for each widget that I sell. I pay Bob $10 for each widget that he makes, but his family is hungry. What is your solution for the evil business owner?


nuke china and india, charge a new post nuke rate of $25 per widget, pay your employee $11 since food is now alot cheaper with 2 billion less people eating and no one else will fark with you and try to produce widgets cheaper
 
2012-12-12 12:18:59 AM
They just need to ask for the lords help : )
 
2012-12-12 12:20:53 AM

Fart_Machine: Tyranicle: This isn't 2007 anymore. Employers are struggling to meet payroll, food banks are drying up and there are millions of people who don't know where their next meal will come from. 'Charity', as crazy as it sounds, will be the new normal unless our economy is turned around.

Somebody is doing well.


"For the final three months of fiscal 2011, UPMC recorded $91.83 million in operating profit... and $2.39 billion in total revenue from operations"

About 3.8%, very close to Walmart's profit margin.

"Systemwide, UPMC anticipates adding about 2,000 new jobs, from customer service representatives to physicians, with the largest number -- from 500 to 600 new jobs -- in clinical support positions such as diagnostic technicians and dietary staff.

"Those new jobs will be in addition to 1,900 new full-time jobs created during fiscal 2011, which had followed the shedding of 243 positions in fiscal 2010."

Yeah, I'd say UPMC is doing pretty well, if you like low profit margins and job creation.
 
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