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(Pittsburgh City Paper)   Gentlemen, the situation is dire: our employees are forced to go to food banks to make ends meet. Therefore, I propose, we open our own food bank   (pghcitypaper.com) divider line 381
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2012-12-11 10:33:58 PM  

Silly Jesus: joonyer: Silly Jesus: Holy shiat you people are nit-picky. This thread is the definition of can't see the forest for the trees. The example was broad and cobbled together...it was only meant to represent the idea of not being able to raise pay because it would cut out any profit. People's value, in dollars, is limited by what value, in dollars, they produce.

It's the fact that everyone was concentrating on a mis-statement and ignoring the larger argument. I really does seem autistic. Aspergers maybe?


It may look autistic from your perspective because you have no idea what the hell you are talking about, so you don't understand why people are laughing at you.

here's a hint: BUSINESSES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY morbo.jpg
 
2012-12-11 10:34:00 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: udhq: Charity is the opposite of justice.

The Hebrew word for charity is both justice and righteousness.

/And you are a very, very horrible person.


Don't see very many Ultra-Burns, but I think this qualifies as one.
 
2012-12-11 10:34:49 PM  

goatleggedfellow: WTF is UPMC? I didn't see it spelled out once in the article. Same for SEIU.

Grown-up journalists write out acronyms at the top of an article so people know what the fark is going on.

/sloppy local papers
//Pet Peeve


University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. Basically every hospital in the city and then some is part of UPMC.
 
2012-12-11 10:35:10 PM  

TomD9938: "I don't need them to pick out my food for me; I need them to pay me better wage so I can pick out my own food," says Poston

That's fair. And if they dont pay you more, go work somewhere that will.

Clearly you're not bieng paid in accordance with your value and it will be your current employers loss when you leave.

/the food bank was a stupid move


Right on... except the part about leaving. I'm too drunk to do this debate, other than to say you really ought to have known that it's no easy task in any economy, much less THIS economy, to simply uproot and move on. Theory and practice work well in the laboratory. Look up for a second and realize you need fresh air. Hit the button to let you out. Take one step. One single step. Bask in awe of nature's glory. Your eyes open in recognition of all you have appreciated and you look around. Suddenly things don't work like you thought they did. Everything's haywire and spinning out of control.

Moral: Things really, really, REALLY don't tend to work like you expect them to outside your bubble.
 
2012-12-11 10:35:25 PM  

Hrist: orclover: Every job that pays less than $15 dollars an hour should come with a list of social programs to help you stay alive and somewhat healthy, or at least not in constant pain. But yea, socialism, cant have that. So everybody enjoy yer toothaches and broken limbs peasants.

I think some Walmarts did this and got biatched at for it. The idea was that rather than helping people know where the safety nets are and how to make sure they're in them, they should have been paying real actual livable wages. If you're working full time and need help to survive, even with minimum wage, it means the economy is farked up, or you've farked up real bad somewhere and need to reevaluate your life.


Was worse a while back when both my wife were getting 10 hours of over time each week, and still needed food stamps.
 
2012-12-11 10:35:43 PM  

L.D. Ablo: Let's just bring back indentured servitude.

As apposed to internships?

 
2012-12-11 10:37:56 PM  

the_chief: Boojum2k: the_chief: How dare they start a charity to help people. The nerve.

Well, zeroing out the top level pay wouldn't solve the issue, so maybe if they fire half their employees, and double the pay and workload of those remaining. . .
Problem solved!

I like the way you think.


I personally improved cost control at my employer, such that we have added ten more employees making roughly $20/hour, and still lowered our expenses.
/fun with logistics, like being paid to play Tetris
//want to earn a living wage? Find something you're good at, and get paid for it.
 
2012-12-11 10:39:01 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: SockMonkeyHolocaust: Executives really have to get it through their skull that Americans really don't need much to be fat, complacent and happy.

Hmm. Maybe.
/Brass-jacketed lead might do the trick, too.


demaL-demaL-yeH: /And you are a very, very horrible person.

 
2012-12-11 10:39:37 PM  

skullkrusher: demaL-demaL-yeH: The point is they don't pay a living wage. To employees of nine years. Do you believe, for even an instant, that smaller employers don't follow their example?

No, I am wholly convinced that every clerical and administrative worker in the state of Pennsylvania must rely on food banks to meet ends meet. Hey, a subset of the employees of the largest employer needs to, it must be true for all employers.

Wal-Mart is the largest employer in the United States. They are notorious for underpaying their workers. How the hell do any of us afford anything - what with all our smaller employers following their lead.


Don't forget the millions of good-paying jobs exported to Communist China - directly facilitated by Wal*Mart. And the mom-and-pop stores killed off by predatory loss-leader practices. And the adamant and pervasive union-busting activities.

/Wait. That would have been an honest and balanced observation.
//From you? Un-farking-possible.
///Carry on.
 
2012-12-11 10:41:13 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: skullkrusher: demaL-demaL-yeH: The point is they don't pay a living wage. To employees of nine years. Do you believe, for even an instant, that smaller employers don't follow their example?

No, I am wholly convinced that every clerical and administrative worker in the state of Pennsylvania must rely on food banks to meet ends meet. Hey, a subset of the employees of the largest employer needs to, it must be true for all employers.

Wal-Mart is the largest employer in the United States. They are notorious for underpaying their workers. How the hell do any of us afford anything - what with all our smaller employers following their lead.

Don't forget the millions of good-paying jobs exported to Communist China - directly facilitated by Wal*Mart. And the mom-and-pop stores killed off by predatory loss-leader practices. And the adamant and pervasive union-busting activities.

/Wait. That would have been an honest and balanced observation.
//From you? Un-farking-possible.
///Carry on.


as each of your inane "points" collapses you're just going to flail into the next non sequitor, huh?

/carry on
 
2012-12-11 10:41:49 PM  
I think we can all agree that anything less than a completely lawless, robber baron style capitalism is looked upon as anti business tyranny by right wingers.

I'm so sick of hearing it. To hear most republicans talk, employers should be perfectly within their rights to make health care decisions for their employees, to regulate their employees off hours activities, to decide what brands and products their employees are permitted to use. If you don't like it when your lord claims the right to impregnate your wife you can just leave, right?

Business and trade is important. But it's not the only thing that's important.
 
2012-12-11 10:42:04 PM  

skullkrusher: orclover: skullkrusher: orclover: BOOTSTRAPS!! why the fark arent all you farking libs pulling yerselves up by yer bootstraps!!!

who said anything about libs? You should get that persecution complex checked out.

Its funny because, you know you used to...remember when you....never mind. You know I have you favorited for a reason right?

umm... I've never been one of the "LIBS!!!!!1!!" types.
No, I had no idea that you had me favorited or the reason

 
2012-12-11 10:43:32 PM  
It's interesting looking at UPMC's financial statements. It's especially interesting when you know that companies cook the books prior to making them public.

Link the their 2011 financial statements. (PDF warning)
 
2012-12-11 10:44:09 PM  
nice, sound, republican business decision
 
2012-12-11 10:45:27 PM  

skullkrusher: demaL-demaL-yeH: SockMonkeyHolocaust: Executives really have to get it through their skull that Americans really don't need much to be fat, complacent and happy.

Hmm. Maybe.
/Brass-jacketed lead might do the trick, too.

demaL-demaL-yeH: /And you are a very, very horrible person.


Heard about the class warfare that's been going on for more than thirty years?
Care to guess how many millions of casualties have been inflicted?
And how corrosive it is to the commonweal to set the poor against the impoverished?
You continue to make excuses for that.
 
2012-12-11 10:46:04 PM  
Wouldn't be that much of a farkin' problem if the cost of living didn't go up every year, unlike employee's salaries.
 
2012-12-11 10:47:25 PM  
Getting a kick outta this. My mom used to work for UPMC Braddock, until they shut its doors.
 
2012-12-11 10:47:39 PM  

Silly Jesus: Holy shiat you people are nit-picky. This thread is the definition of can't see the forest for the trees. The example was broad and cobbled together...it was only meant to represent the idea of not being able to raise pay because it would cut out any profit. People's value, in dollars, is limited by what value, in dollars, they produce.

Is everyone here farking autistic? That's a serious question.


No. You're either being trolled or you're talking to poetry majors tonight.
 
2012-12-11 10:48:15 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: skullkrusher: demaL-demaL-yeH: SockMonkeyHolocaust: Executives really have to get it through their skull that Americans really don't need much to be fat, complacent and happy.

Hmm. Maybe.
/Brass-jacketed lead might do the trick, too.

demaL-demaL-yeH: /And you are a very, very horrible person.

Heard about the class warfare that's been going on for more than thirty years?
Care to guess how many millions of casualties have been inflicted?
And how corrosive it is to the commonweal to set the poor against the impoverished?
You continue to make excuses for that.


Just let the record show that you have now doubled down on your suggestion that people be murdered. Yep, you are a very, very horrible person alright.
At least you don't try to hide it, shiatbag.
 
2012-12-11 10:49:08 PM  
Sounds like a whole bunch of that irresponsible 47% that Mitt Romney doesn't care about.
 
2012-12-11 10:49:16 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Silly Jesus: Holy shiat you people are nit-picky. This thread is the definition of can't see the forest for the trees. The example was broad and cobbled together...it was only meant to represent the idea of not being able to raise pay because it would cut out any profit. People's value, in dollars, is limited by what value, in dollars, they produce.

Is everyone here farking autistic? That's a serious question.

No. You're either being trolled or you're talking to poetry majors tonight.


Yeah, he's the one being trolled. Good one.
 
2012-12-11 10:50:31 PM  

ShavedApe: It's interesting looking at UPMC's financial statements. It's especially interesting when you know that companies cook the books prior to making them public.

Link the their 2011 financial statements. (PDF warning)


So, $3.5 billion in unrestricted CASH and another $3.5 billion in the rainy-day-golf-trips-to-Bermuda fund. And they're pulling in $500 million in extra cash year-over-year in spite of an aggressive building program.

Niiiiiiiiice.
 
2012-12-11 10:51:47 PM  

skullkrusher: demaL-demaL-yeH: skullkrusher: demaL-demaL-yeH: SockMonkeyHolocaust: Executives really have to get it through their skull that Americans really don't need much to be fat, complacent and happy.

Hmm. Maybe.
/Brass-jacketed lead might do the trick, too.

demaL-demaL-yeH: /And you are a very, very horrible person.

Heard about the class warfare that's been going on for more than thirty years?
Care to guess how many millions of casualties have been inflicted?
And how corrosive it is to the commonweal to set the poor against the impoverished?
You continue to make excuses for that.

Just let the record show that you have now doubled down on your suggestion that people be murdered. Yep, you are a very, very horrible person alright.
At least you don't try to hide it, shiatbag.


No, I did not suggest that people be murdered. Tar and feathers, though...
 
2012-12-11 10:51:56 PM  
Gentleman you are all wrong. This is a way for this company to determine which employees are having Real™ financial difficulties. Since these fine companies know that employees with Real™ financial difficulties tend to miss more work or have other work issues they can now identify these workers and fire them for stealing or some other thing that will get them denied benefits because you know they would be irresponsible to their shareholders if their unemployment insurance copay went up. This way they can hire more productive workers.
 
2012-12-11 10:54:26 PM  

Silly Jesus: Holy shiat you people are nit-picky. This thread is the definition of can't see the forest for the trees. The example was broad and cobbled together...it was only meant to represent the idea of not being able to raise pay because it would cut out any profit. People's value, in dollars, is limited by what value, in dollars, they produce.

Is everyone here farking autistic? That's a serious question.


So everyone else is an asshole because you got caught out in a straw man attack?
 
2012-12-11 10:54:54 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: skullkrusher: demaL-demaL-yeH: skullkrusher: demaL-demaL-yeH: SockMonkeyHolocaust: Executives really have to get it through their skull that Americans really don't need much to be fat, complacent and happy.

Hmm. Maybe.
/Brass-jacketed lead might do the trick, too.

demaL-demaL-yeH: /And you are a very, very horrible person.

Heard about the class warfare that's been going on for more than thirty years?
Care to guess how many millions of casualties have been inflicted?
And how corrosive it is to the commonweal to set the poor against the impoverished?
You continue to make excuses for that.

Just let the record show that you have now doubled down on your suggestion that people be murdered. Yep, you are a very, very horrible person alright.
At least you don't try to hide it, shiatbag.

No, I did not suggest that people be murdered. Tar and feathers, though...


demaL-demaL-yeH: Your core value and most salient characteristic is blatant dishonesty.

 
2012-12-11 10:55:41 PM  

Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: You should pay me more than I'm worth!

No wage slave has ever been paid even half of what he's worth.

I don't mean your unicorn fru-fru fantasy idea of what his soul is worth...I mean his worth to the company.

If you're making the company a $10 profit per hour of your labor, your labor isn't worth $15 an hour, no matter how hungry your family is.

I don't want to get into a long discussion, but $10 profit is above and beyond the wage you're paying the worker. I'm talking about the wealth created by a wage slave's work.

Huh?

I own a company, and I sell widgets. I get $11 for each widget that I sell. I pay Bob $10 for each widget that he makes, but his family is hungry. What is your solution for the evil business owner?


Silly Jesus: FatalDischarge: Silly Jesus: FatalDischarge: Silly Jesus: Holy shiat you people are nit-picky. This thread is the definition of can't see the forest for the trees. The example was broad and cobbled together...it was only meant to represent the idea of not being able to raise pay because it would cut out any profit. People's value, in dollars, is limited by what value, in dollars, they produce.

Is everyone here farking autistic? That's a serious question.

No. You are just a horrible person.

Better horrible than autistic.

No. Horrible people cause problems. You are what is wrong with America. Not that you would know.

Your face is what is wrong with America.


Witty comeback, Oppenheimer. I could sear a steak with that burn.
 
2012-12-11 10:56:16 PM  

gadian: My somewhat relevant story:

I once worked at an Aramark managed hotel. It was remote, so I lived in Aramark housing and ate an Aramark food plan. Aramark also owned all of the surrounding businesses, the convenience store, other food places, even the local health clinic. One could borrow against their salary for their needs and indeed, every dime they spent without driving for at least 3 hours (most employees didn't have a car) was spent in a company store. It was a remarkable study in how amenable they thought they were being.


I know exactly where you are talking about.

/heard many horror stories over the years
 
2012-12-11 10:56:27 PM  
Either decide that you want to live as a serf under some corporate feudal system or if you want to take your country, and your world back.

Make no mistake, the enemy of America are the wealthy and the corporatists. They launched a coup on this country. Remember oil going out of sight for no readily apparent reason? Yeah, that was them sucking all the the money possible out of the bottom of the system. The Wall Street crash? That was money being sucked out of the top of the system. They systematically looted our wealth from bottom to top and blamed it on speculators and black people buying homes, respectively.

Now they sit on their wealth while the nation that played host to so many of them bleeds and suffers. And these insufferable pricks use that misery to hold this nation hostage and demand the dismantling of decades worth of hard fought labor law and lower taxes for themselves.

Power has never simply quit the field. Never in history has power just stepped aside or stopped seeking MORE power. It has to be driven off with blades and bullets. Power only understands power. These people have no intention of stopping until they have as much power and control over our lives as possible. The see this nation as something for them to rightfully plunder, citing the fact that people like themselves built this country and created this economy. Never mind that if any of the wealthy families of today never existed, somebody else would have done those same things. But they believe themselves to be special, above us.

They need to be shown that they are not special. That they bleed and suffer and burn like those that they tread upon so callously.

Musket Balls.

Faces.

It's time to take out the Tories, again.
 
2012-12-11 10:57:07 PM  

gopher321: That's completely pathetic. Who the fark runs that company, Ebenezar Scrooge?


The reason is this: TAX WRITE-OFF.
 
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2012-12-11 10:57:28 PM  

Silly Jesus: You should pay me more than I'm worth! I don't understand economics / capitalism / life! Whargarbll.


Wow... a lot of comments on the original story like this. What eveidence do you have that she isn't worth more? There seems to be a lot of evidence that they aren't paying decent wages to anyone but administration and doctors there. She is free to get another job, but that's also a red herring as that amount of freedom varies from person to person.

Something has got to give. There are many organizations out there doing this. At some point they won't be able to find workers, but until that happens people still have to eat somehow.
 
2012-12-11 10:58:22 PM  

suziequzie: L.D. Ablo: Let's just bring back indentured servitude.

Sell yourself to a corporation for seven years to get out of your student loans.

Sounds sweet. Took me 13 years...


The feds already offer indentured servitude; see "Public Service Loan Forgiveness."
 
2012-12-11 10:58:31 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Either decide that you want to live as a serf under some corporate feudal system or if you want to take your country, and your world back.

Make no mistake, the enemy of America are the wealthy and the corporatists. They launched a coup on this country. Remember oil going out of sight for no readily apparent reason? Yeah, that was them sucking all the the money possible out of the bottom of the system. The Wall Street crash? That was money being sucked out of the top of the system. They systematically looted our wealth from bottom to top and blamed it on speculators and black people buying homes, respectively.

Now they sit on their wealth while the nation that played host to so many of them bleeds and suffers. And these insufferable pricks use that misery to hold this nation hostage and demand the dismantling of decades worth of hard fought labor law and lower taxes for themselves.

Power has never simply quit the field. Never in history has power just stepped aside or stopped seeking MORE power. It has to be driven off with blades and bullets. Power only understands power. These people have no intention of stopping until they have as much power and control over our lives as possible. The see this nation as something for them to rightfully plunder, citing the fact that people like themselves built this country and created this economy. Never mind that if any of the wealthy families of today never existed, somebody else would have done those same things. But they believe themselves to be special, above us.

They need to be shown that they are not special. That they bleed and suffer and burn like those that they tread upon so callously.

Musket Balls.

Faces.

It's time to take out the Tories, again.


This.
 
2012-12-11 10:59:21 PM  

skullkrusher: demaL-demaL-yeH: skullkrusher: demaL-demaL-yeH: skullkrusher: demaL-demaL-yeH: SockMonkeyHolocaust: Executives really have to get it through their skull that Americans really don't need much to be fat, complacent and happy.

Hmm. Maybe.
/Brass-jacketed lead might do the trick, too.

demaL-demaL-yeH: /And you are a very, very horrible person.

Heard about the class warfare that's been going on for more than thirty years?
Care to guess how many millions of casualties have been inflicted?
And how corrosive it is to the commonweal to set the poor against the impoverished?
You continue to make excuses for that.

Just let the record show that you have now doubled down on your suggestion that people be murdered. Yep, you are a very, very horrible person alright.
At least you don't try to hide it, shiatbag.

No, I did not suggest that people be murdered. Tar and feathers, though...

demaL-demaL-yeH: Your core value and most salient characteristic is blatant dishonesty.


An obvious joke, in poor taste or no, is still a joke.
Now back to the math, you dishonest coont.
(You know, where you claimed that there was no way to pay a living wage to Leslie and her chainmates when I underscored the ridiculous executive compensation packages where she works.)
 
2012-12-11 10:59:35 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: udhq: Charity is the opposite of justice.

The Hebrew word for charity is both justice and righteousness.

/And you are a very, very horrible person.


The poor should not be forced to survive merely at the pleasure of the wealthy. And if you honestly think that belief makes one a horrible person, then there's a phrase that describes exactly what you are:

That phrase is "social Darwinist."

/I would have also excepted "plutocratic coont"
 
2012-12-11 11:00:02 PM  
demaL-demaL-yeH: Don't forget the millions of good-paying jobs exported to Communist China - directly facilitated by Wal*Mart.



-----------------

And how Wal-Mart, at a time of record profits, had the taxpayer build them an airport.

If there is any justice in this world, after the violence subsides and the Hamptons stop burning, every member of the Walton family will be hunted across the globe a la post war Nazis.
 
2012-12-11 11:00:12 PM  
Everyone here is artistic.
 
2012-12-11 11:00:20 PM  

Silly Jesus: Holy shiat you people are nit-picky. This thread is the definition of can't see the forest for the trees. The example was broad and cobbled together...it was only meant to represent the idea of not being able to raise pay because it would cut out any profit. People's value, in dollars, is limited by what value, in dollars, they produce.

Is everyone here farking autistic? That's a serious question.


It was an unbelievably dumb question. Here's a better one.

Nurse Jane works in a hospital in Pittsburgh. She brings $300,000 worth of value to the hospital. UPMC knows she can't switch jobs because her mother is very ill and can't be moved or live on her own. Oh, and because UPMC owns all of the hospitals in a 20 mile radius.

Does UPMC have any obligation to pay Nurse Jane enough to eat and keep her heat and electricty on? Or should UPMC pay her the minimum possible, because they know she can't switch jobs?
 
2012-12-11 11:01:07 PM  

Uzzah: Holocaust Agnostic: theres are the kind of people democrats legally mandated that you put in charge of your healthcare.

I know. I was so much better off when I didn't have any healthcare at all.


In the context of when it happens, "no change" does not seem a probable alternative outcome to "the heritage foundation's plan". But don't worry, another decade will go by, a bunch of Obama's big insurance buddies will get even more absurdly rich, it will be a disaster again, and something sensible will happen. For the low low cost of only 10ish more years of avoidable poverty and sickness.
 
2012-12-11 11:02:14 PM  

FunkOut: Everyone here is artistic.


I can't even sketch very well.
 
2012-12-11 11:03:05 PM  

udhq: I would have also excepted "plutocratic coont"


Done.

/Except I spelled "accepted" correctly.
 
2012-12-11 11:04:26 PM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Silly Jesus: Holy shiat you people are nit-picky. This thread is the definition of can't see the forest for the trees. The example was broad and cobbled together...it was only meant to represent the idea of not being able to raise pay because it would cut out any profit. People's value, in dollars, is limited by what value, in dollars, they produce.

Is everyone here farking autistic? That's a serious question.

It was an unbelievably dumb question. Here's a better one.

Nurse Jane works in a hospital in Pittsburgh. She brings $300,000 worth of value to the hospital. UPMC knows she can't switch jobs because her mother is very ill and can't be moved or live on her own. Oh, and because UPMC owns all of the hospitals in a 20 mile radius.

Does UPMC have any obligation to pay Nurse Jane enough to eat and keep her heat and electricty on? Or should UPMC pay her the minimum possible, because they know she can't switch jobs?


Do you have any idea how much money nurses make? Choose a different profession for your example. RNs clean the fark up - they make more than engineers in most markets.
 
2012-12-11 11:06:08 PM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Silly Jesus: Holy shiat you people are nit-picky. This thread is the definition of can't see the forest for the trees. The example was broad and cobbled together...it was only meant to represent the idea of not being able to raise pay because it would cut out any profit. People's value, in dollars, is limited by what value, in dollars, they produce.

Is everyone here farking autistic? That's a serious question.

It was an unbelievably dumb question. Here's a better one.

Nurse Jane works in a hospital in Pittsburgh. She brings $300,000 worth of value to the hospital. UPMC knows she can't switch jobs because her mother is very ill and can't be moved or live on her own. Oh, and because UPMC owns all of the hospitals in a 20 mile radius.

Does UPMC have any obligation to pay Nurse Jane enough to eat and keep her heat and electricty on? Or should UPMC pay her the minimum possible, because they know she can't switch jobs?


Except instead of Nurse Jane we're talking about Cafeteria Lady Mary and Janitor Bob.

TFA is specifically complaining about unskilled non medical wages. I would like my hospital janitor to be motivated to clean my OR well, but having been to Pittsburgh, I imagine there's a huge amount of competition for unskilled jobs.
 
2012-12-11 11:09:01 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: An obvious joke, in poor taste or no, is still a joke.


no, just another example of you making an excuse for why you say stupid shiat

demaL-demaL-yeH: Now back to the math, you dishonest coont.
(You know, where you claimed that there was no way to pay a living wage to Leslie and her chainmates when I underscored the ridiculous executive compensation packages where she works.)


gladly... just quote where i said that, you... what's the phrase... "dishonest coont"?
Seriously, how many times are you going to be caught lying in back to back posts all the while accusing me of dishonesty? We gonna do this all night or can I go back to xbox?
 
2012-12-11 11:09:39 PM  
Pittsburgh Farker here.

UPMC (and yes, that's what it's known as by everyone here, I don't think I've heard "University of Pittsburgh Medical Center" sounded out in years) practically IS Oakland and has a substantial presence in other parts of the city. They've been able to slowly choke out other hospitals by not allowing the UPMC health insurance plan to cover those hospitals that might actually pose a threat. Small practices have also given up trying to work with UPMC and just let themselves be bought out and be done with it. Evil profit-seeking corporation, right? Look at the name! It's a non-profit school-affiliated medical center! This is a Farker's wet dream! This is what you want on a national scale!

Although, I wouldn't trust anything City Paper says. They're your typical hipster/20-something self described radical newpaper that you'll see at any coffee. The kind of paper that every city is by law required to have at least one of. They have local music listings, that's about the only reason I ever read it.
 
2012-12-11 11:09:45 PM  
Your wages are taxable. Free food is not taxed. Even if you make so little that your household pays no tax, there is still additional payroll tax for any wage increases.

If you make $10/hr and get a raise to $10.25/hr, I'm sure you won't be overjoyed about it, because it's only $10/wk raise. Instead of giving each employee a $.25/hr raise, imagine that we take the $10/wk for every employee and pump it into a food bank. Let's say you have 50,000 employees. $500,000 for your food bank every week, instead of increasing wages by tiny marginal amount that employees will never appreciate. Even more money with government grants, etc. That's quite a lot of food that could be available for a low price. Assuming that administration costs are not exorbitant. Of course they will be, so we know who wins... the administrators. In the end, probably 9/10 of funds go toward administrative costs.

/not necessarily in favor of the food bank
//doesn't get paid enough money. Can I please have some more?
 
2012-12-11 11:11:14 PM  

nekom: Are there no prisons? What of the work camps?


HUMBUG!
 
2012-12-11 11:11:36 PM  

Silly Jesus: ryant123: Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: You should pay me more than I'm worth!

No wage slave has ever been paid even half of what he's worth.

I don't mean your unicorn fru-fru fantasy idea of what his soul is worth...I mean his worth to the company.

If you're making the company a $10 profit per hour of your labor, your labor isn't worth $15 an hour, no matter how hungry your family is.

I don't want to get into a long discussion, but $10 profit is above and beyond the wage you're paying the worker. I'm talking about the wealth created by a wage slave's work.

Huh?

I own a company, and I sell widgets. I get $11 for each widget that I sell. I pay Bob $10 for each widget that he makes, but his family is hungry. What is your solution for the evil business owner?

If the $11 is profit then you can boost his pay to $15 and still be making $6 profit on every widget he makes.

No. I get handed $11 when I hand over my widget. I pay my worker $10 and keep $1. Just using easy numbers.


OK tell me one factory in the world where workers get 90% of the gross profit. I'm in engineering, where skilled workers are in high demand, and I get 30% of the charge-out rate.

Your math is bullshiat.
 
2012-12-11 11:13:17 PM  

Gordian Cipher: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Hey! Here's another great idea!

/Have the company open a store where employees can buy necessities like food and clothing on credit. Then the payments could just be taken directly out of their paychecks
//what could possibly go wrong?

Heh, my company lets you link your paycheck with your ID badge, so you can just swipe your badge in the cafeteria and have the money taken out of your paycheck. I'm sure it's all legal (Fortune 500 company and all), but it seems awful close to Hooverville.

/I don't do that
//I'd rather put it on the credit card that earns me points


I work at a hospital that does this. I eat two meals a day there since I do not have time in the morning to eat breakfast beforehand and I'm happy to just eat sandwiches in the afternoon. Paying this on a credit card is silly since your credit card accumulates interest and having it withdrawn from your paycheck is the same as cash.
 
2012-12-11 11:13:21 PM  
I'm pretty sure these farks would have kicked Tiny TIm down the stairs.
 
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