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(Pittsburgh City Paper)   Gentlemen, the situation is dire: our employees are forced to go to food banks to make ends meet. Therefore, I propose, we open our own food bank   (pghcitypaper.com) divider line 381
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2012-12-11 09:51:05 PM  

goatleggedfellow: WTF is UPMC? I didn't see it spelled out once in the article. Same for SEIU.


It's a Pittsburgh paper, and everybody in Pittsburgh knows what UPMC is- University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. I will grant that even here the Service Employees International Union might be a bit more obscure.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Have the company open a store where employees can buy necessities like food and clothing on credit. Then the payments could just be taken directly out of their paychecks


Wait, why even use cash? We can pay them in company scrip, good only at the company store. I don't see anything going wrong with that.
 
2012-12-11 09:51:56 PM  

pxlboy: Funk Brothers: You see corporations do care about their people. When their employees don't make enough, they come with charity. Wal-Mart should open up food banks for their employees too.

We don't need unions, we need charity.

And not livable wages, apparently.


We don't need to be paid livable wages anymore in the new economy. We need food, shelter, clothes, and a place to work. That's it. We shouldn't be paid any more than that.
 
2012-12-11 09:52:33 PM  
If they had to hire staff to operate the food bank I will piss myself laughing.
 
2012-12-11 09:52:34 PM  

lelio: Silly Jesus: I own a company, and I sell widgets. I get $11 for each widget that I sell. I pay Bob $10 for each widget that he makes, but his family is hungry. What is your solution for the evil business owner?

Obviously to stop paying yourself a salary, Mr. McGreedyPants


I know (hope) you're being facetious, but this is what libs actually believe.
 
2012-12-11 09:54:06 PM  

skullkrusher: demaL-demaL-yeH: willfullyobscure: I wonder what the C-level salaries are for this non-profit?Niiice.

Twenty-three employees pulling in more than a million? In a $5 billion non-profit?
I think I know where I'd look for enough money to get Leslie and her chainmates a raise to a living wage after nine years.

a different job?


I worked as a temp at Philips fixing O2 concentrators. The work was filthy, the hours long, and the pay was lackluster. I took the job because I needed work, but didn't stop looking. My co-workers were quite surprised that I managed to find something else. After I told my supervisor, she said, "Wow, you didn't get stuck!" -- as though it was an accomplishment to find something better.

To be fair, I have an IT and support background, so it was easier for me to find something else. Some of my co-workers, maybe not so much.
 
2012-12-11 09:54:07 PM  
this, folks, is why the Asinine Tag was invented
 
2012-12-11 09:54:22 PM  
Quick add up of salaries over $1 million, divide by number of employees, divide by 52 for weekly comes to. . .
$16/week. Wow, they'd be living large for the short time before they went under due to having no management, neurosurgeons, oncologists, etc.
 
2012-12-11 09:54:48 PM  

TheWhoppah: TheWhoppah: gopher321: That's completely pathetic. Who the fark runs that company, Ebenezar Scrooge?

Wal-MART pays a company millions of dollars per year to run a call center where social workers direct Wal-MART employees to the nearest charity food bank, help them apply for welfare, food stamps and rent assistance. Every Wal-MART store has a poster in the breakroom with the phone number and they also print up little inserts to put into the envelope with the employee's paycheck. New employee orientation includes a section on calling the "Resources for Living" hotline. All of this is cheaper than just paying the employees a living wage.

Actually this is a form of Corporate Welfare. Wal*MART would have to pay higher wages to get the kind of stable employess that they want... you know, the kind of person with a home who doesn't have to steal food to get buy. Resources for Living allows Wal*MART to pay wages that would normally only attract teenagers and homeless people but government and charities pick up the cost difference so they get actual human employees instead of thieves, children and meth monkeys.


WalMart is subsidizing the government. These people can't get any lower than WalMart. The next stop down is 100% mooching off the government teat. WalMart is absorbing some of the cost to keep these gene pool rejects alive...that burden would otherwise fall completely on the shoulders of the tax payers.
 
2012-12-11 09:55:27 PM  

jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: You should pay me more than I'm worth!

No wage slave has ever been paid even half of what he's worth.

I don't mean your unicorn fru-fru fantasy idea of what his soul is worth...I mean his worth to the company.

If you're making the company a $10 profit per hour of your labor, your labor isn't worth $15 an hour, no matter how hungry your family is.

I don't want to get into a long discussion, but $10 profit is above and beyond the wage you're paying the worker. I'm talking about the wealth created by a wage slave's work.


Er, wealth is accumulated profit.
 
2012-12-11 09:55:41 PM  

Funk Brothers: pxlboy: Funk Brothers: You see corporations do care about their people. When their employees don't make enough, they come with charity. Wal-Mart should open up food banks for their employees too.

We don't need unions, we need charity.

And not livable wages, apparently.

We don't need to be paid livable wages anymore in the new economy. We need food, shelter, clothes, and a place to work. That's it. We shouldn't be paid any more than that.


I'm guessing that you earn enough to cover more than your basic needs.
 
2012-12-11 09:55:43 PM  

freewill: skullkrusher: I think madam Guillotine needs to show up at the next boardroom meeting.Ya think a boardroom filled with headless corpses of ex-execs might... just might.. be enough to scare wallstreet and its ilk that maybe they need to stop being dicks to the rest of the population?

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He's in.


Boardrooms full of executives never get killed off in reality. I dont know why, logically they should be killed off by some disgruntled something or other on a regular basis but it just doesnt happen. It would have to happen alot, i mean AAAALOOOOT to have any affect on the american psyche, so just once or twice wouldnt cut it. But the fact is, executives never get killed by their lesser peons, like farking ever. Its so farking rare that it becomes a national event whenever it happens every other decade.

By all logic and numbers they should be dying in farking droves. Games and fanfare seem to be doing the trick in keeping the peasants in line.
 
2012-12-11 09:55:55 PM  

Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: You should pay me more than I'm worth!

No wage slave has ever been paid even half of what he's worth.

I don't mean your unicorn fru-fru fantasy idea of what his soul is worth...I mean his worth to the company.

If you're making the company a $10 profit per hour of your labor, your labor isn't worth $15 an hour, no matter how hungry your family is.

I don't want to get into a long discussion, but $10 profit is above and beyond the wage you're paying the worker. I'm talking about the wealth created by a wage slave's work.

Huh?

I own a company, and I sell widgets. I get $11 for each widget that I sell. I pay Bob $10 for each widget that he makes, but his family is hungry. What is your solution for the evil business owner?


If the $11 is profit then you can boost his pay to $15 and still be making $6 profit on every widget he makes.
 
2012-12-11 09:56:06 PM  
It's a good thing we have so many Republican governors and state houses focused on killing unions.

Clearly, they're no longer needed.
 
2012-12-11 09:57:44 PM  

ryant123: Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: You should pay me more than I'm worth!

No wage slave has ever been paid even half of what he's worth.

I don't mean your unicorn fru-fru fantasy idea of what his soul is worth...I mean his worth to the company.

If you're making the company a $10 profit per hour of your labor, your labor isn't worth $15 an hour, no matter how hungry your family is.

I don't want to get into a long discussion, but $10 profit is above and beyond the wage you're paying the worker. I'm talking about the wealth created by a wage slave's work.

Huh?

I own a company, and I sell widgets. I get $11 for each widget that I sell. I pay Bob $10 for each widget that he makes, but his family is hungry. What is your solution for the evil business owner?

If the $11 is profit then you can boost his pay to $15 and still be making $6 profit on every widget he makes.


9/10

This should be good
 
2012-12-11 09:57:46 PM  
Charity is the opposite of justice.
 
2012-12-11 09:58:12 PM  

ryant123: Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: You should pay me more than I'm worth!

No wage slave has ever been paid even half of what he's worth.

I don't mean your unicorn fru-fru fantasy idea of what his soul is worth...I mean his worth to the company.

If you're making the company a $10 profit per hour of your labor, your labor isn't worth $15 an hour, no matter how hungry your family is.

I don't want to get into a long discussion, but $10 profit is above and beyond the wage you're paying the worker. I'm talking about the wealth created by a wage slave's work.

Huh?

I own a company, and I sell widgets. I get $11 for each widget that I sell. I pay Bob $10 for each widget that he makes, but his family is hungry. What is your solution for the evil business owner?

If the $11 is profit then you can boost his pay to $15 and still be making $6 profit on every widget he makes.


So doubling the price of everything helps?
 
2012-12-11 09:58:38 PM  

pxlboy: skullkrusher: demaL-demaL-yeH: willfullyobscure: I wonder what the C-level salaries are for this non-profit?Niiice.

Twenty-three employees pulling in more than a million? In a $5 billion non-profit?
I think I know where I'd look for enough money to get Leslie and her chainmates a raise to a living wage after nine years.

a different job?

I worked as a temp at Philips fixing O2 concentrators. The work was filthy, the hours long, and the pay was lackluster. I took the job because I needed work, but didn't stop looking. My co-workers were quite surprised that I managed to find something else. After I told my supervisor, she said, "Wow, you didn't get stuck!" -- as though it was an accomplishment to find something better.

To be fair, I have an IT and support background, so it was easier for me to find something else. Some of my co-workers, maybe not so much.


perhaps not but if you're in a job which doesn't pay enough to feed yourself and you're still in the same job 9 years later, there's something wrong. That's an awful long time to not find something better.
 
2012-12-11 09:59:05 PM  

Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: You should pay me more than I'm worth!

No wage slave has ever been paid even half of what he's worth.

I don't mean your unicorn fru-fru fantasy idea of what his soul is worth...I mean his worth to the company.

If you're making the company a $10 profit per hour of your labor, your labor isn't worth $15 an hour, no matter how hungry your family is.

I don't want to get into a long discussion, but $10 profit is above and beyond the wage you're paying the worker. I'm talking about the wealth created by a wage slave's work.

Huh?

I own a company, and I sell widgets. I get $11 for each widget that I sell. I pay Bob $10 for each widget that he makes, but his family is hungry. What is your solution for the evil business owner?


An investigation by the IRS and the FBI, because any business with that kind of COGS ratio in gross margins is clearly a money laundering operation and Bob is muling the dough out of the country up his ass or baked into the widgets.
 
2012-12-11 09:59:14 PM  

udhq: Charity is the opposite of justice.


hehe
 
2012-12-11 10:00:57 PM  

Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: You should pay me more than I'm worth!

No wage slave has ever been paid even half of what he's worth.

I don't mean your unicorn fru-fru fantasy idea of what his soul is worth...I mean his worth to the company.

If you're making the company a $10 profit per hour of your labor, your labor isn't worth $15 an hour, no matter how hungry your family is.

I don't want to get into a long discussion, but $10 profit is above and beyond the wage you're paying the worker. I'm talking about the wealth created by a wage slave's work.

Huh?

I own a company, and I sell widgets. I get $11 for each widget that I sell. I pay Bob $10 for each widget that he makes, but his family is hungry. What is your solution for the evil business owner?


Bob needs to find a better widget seller that can get more than $11/widget or sell directly...
So I guess the solution is to eliminate the evil business.
 
2012-12-11 10:01:12 PM  

ryant123: Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: You should pay me more than I'm worth!

No wage slave has ever been paid even half of what he's worth.

I don't mean your unicorn fru-fru fantasy idea of what his soul is worth...I mean his worth to the company.

If you're making the company a $10 profit per hour of your labor, your labor isn't worth $15 an hour, no matter how hungry your family is.

I don't want to get into a long discussion, but $10 profit is above and beyond the wage you're paying the worker. I'm talking about the wealth created by a wage slave's work.

Huh?

I own a company, and I sell widgets. I get $11 for each widget that I sell. I pay Bob $10 for each widget that he makes, but his family is hungry. What is your solution for the evil business owner?

If the $11 is profit then you can boost his pay to $15 and still be making $6 profit on every widget he makes.


No. I get handed $11 when I hand over my widget. I pay my worker $10 and keep $1. Just using easy numbers.
 
2012-12-11 10:01:58 PM  
Jesus, when do we start hunting these greedy pukes on their golf courses?
 
2012-12-11 10:01:59 PM  
My somewhat relevant story:

I once worked at an Aramark managed hotel. It was remote, so I lived in Aramark housing and ate an Aramark food plan. Aramark also owned all of the surrounding businesses, the convenience store, other food places, even the local health clinic. One could borrow against their salary for their needs and indeed, every dime they spent without driving for at least 3 hours (most employees didn't have a car) was spent in a company store. It was a remarkable study in how amenable they thought they were being.
 
2012-12-11 10:02:02 PM  

skullkrusher: pxlboy: skullkrusher: demaL-demaL-yeH: willfullyobscure: I wonder what the C-level salaries are for this non-profit?Niiice.

Twenty-three employees pulling in more than a million? In a $5 billion non-profit?
I think I know where I'd look for enough money to get Leslie and her chainmates a raise to a living wage after nine years.

a different job?

I worked as a temp at Philips fixing O2 concentrators. The work was filthy, the hours long, and the pay was lackluster. I took the job because I needed work, but didn't stop looking. My co-workers were quite surprised that I managed to find something else. After I told my supervisor, she said, "Wow, you didn't get stuck!" -- as though it was an accomplishment to find something better.

To be fair, I have an IT and support background, so it was easier for me to find something else. Some of my co-workers, maybe not so much.

perhaps not but if you're in a job which doesn't pay enough to feed yourself and you're still in the same job 9 years later, there's something wrong. That's an awful long time to not find something better.


Well, I was only there about a month or so before I found my current post. I was surprised at how long some of the rank-and-file had been there. Also, I had a guy in my group that, while probably one of the sharpest people I've known, stayed there because it was easy and he could coast by. He had plans to go to grad school, I think, but I don't know what he's doing now.
 
2012-12-11 10:02:14 PM  

ryant123: Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: You should pay me more than I'm worth!

No wage slave has ever been paid even half of what he's worth.

I don't mean your unicorn fru-fru fantasy idea of what his soul is worth...I mean his worth to the company.

If you're making the company a $10 profit per hour of your labor, your labor isn't worth $15 an hour, no matter how hungry your family is.

I don't want to get into a long discussion, but $10 profit is above and beyond the wage you're paying the worker. I'm talking about the wealth created by a wage slave's work.

Huh?

I own a company, and I sell widgets. I get $11 for each widget that I sell. I pay Bob $10 for each widget that he makes, but his family is hungry. What is your solution for the evil business owner?

If the $11 is profit then you can boost his pay to $15 and still be making $6 profit on every widget he makes.


What the fark kind of widget is it and how long does it take to make it that Bob gets $10 for each one he makes?
 
2012-12-11 10:02:16 PM  
There's a lot of business experts in here with nothing to during the night that sit at their computer and argue with other shut-ins.
 
2012-12-11 10:02:45 PM  
Just raise minimum wage to 20 bucks an hour.
 
2012-12-11 10:03:37 PM  

skullkrusher: pxlboy: skullkrusher: demaL-demaL-yeH: willfullyobscure: I wonder what the C-level salaries are for this non-profit?Niiice.

Twenty-three employees pulling in more than a million? In a $5 billion non-profit?
I think I know where I'd look for enough money to get Leslie and her chainmates a raise to a living wage after nine years.

a different job?

I worked as a temp at Philips fixing O2 concentrators. The work was filthy, the hours long, and the pay was lackluster. I took the job because I needed work, but didn't stop looking. My co-workers were quite surprised that I managed to find something else. After I told my supervisor, she said, "Wow, you didn't get stuck!" -- as though it was an accomplishment to find something better.

To be fair, I have an IT and support background, so it was easier for me to find something else. Some of my co-workers, maybe not so much.

perhaps not but if you're in a job which doesn't pay enough to feed yourself and you're still in the same job 9 years later, there's something wrong. That's an awful long time to not find something better.


BOOTSTRAPS!! why the fark arent all you farking libs pulling yerselves up by yer bootstraps!!!

right right?

/this planet needs a mercy killing.
 
2012-12-11 10:04:04 PM  
I'd just like to remind Libtards that authors of the caliber like Charles Dickens wouldn't exist without gross inequalities in unfettered capitalism.
 
2012-12-11 10:04:08 PM  

FunkOut: There's a lot of business experts in here with nothing to during the night that sit at their computer and argue with other shut-ins.


JUST LIKE THERE ARE A BUNCH OF LOSERS HIGH OR DRUNK BE AUSE THEY HAVETH NOT A LIFE
 
2012-12-11 10:04:31 PM  

draa: Gordian Cipher: Heh, my company lets you link your paycheck with your ID badge, so you can just swipe your badge in the cafeteria and have the money taken out of your paycheck. I'm sure it's all legal (Fortune 500 company and all), but it seems awful close to Hooverville.

It's the same way at Wal-Mart. They don't allow you to put it on credit toward your paycheck but their employees buying goods from them is basically the same. If they pay someone $10 an hour but that person buys $200-$300 a month from their company, they are only paying that person about $6 an hour after their purchases. If you figure that most people employed at Wal-Mart have no choice but to shop at Wal-Mart(because it's all they can afford and still survive), then Wal-Mart is getting cheap labor because they don't pay shiat for the crap they sell anyway. It's a goddamn shame that people more people don't realize just how bad some companies are farking folks in this country and demand a change. I think we need about 2-3 days of a national strike but most people can't afford to miss that much work.


I don't really see the difference for the employee. So what if they buy stuff where they work? Wherever they buy their stuff that they need to live, they are paying retail markup to someone. Why not pay it to where they work? Or somewhere else? Really, why does it matter? It's not like they force the employees to do it. And this probably happens at most retail stores, not just Wal Mart anyway. I don't see any point to what you're saying here.
 
2012-12-11 10:05:02 PM  

L.D. Ablo: Let's just bring back indentured servitude.

Sell yourself to a corporation for seven years to get out of your student loans.


Bring BACK? What do you think the "American Dream" treadmill is? You are fed your lifetime of debt before you ever become a professional in a trade. Because you never can expect to reasonably pay it off in your lifetime, you wind up taking on more debt, need a car to get to work so you can pay off that debt, and then fark it, might as well take on 30 years of mortgage. You have a tiny tiny degree of latitude regarding what you do to service your lifetime of indenture. You pretend you are middle class, you mow the grass. But it's not "your grass". You pretend you are free, but factually, your time belong to someone else. You might get lucky and live long enough to enjoy chronic illness.

You can thank Reaganomics and the 80s for that cultural shift. They taught America that your wealth and status is only as small as your credit rating. Government went deeply and forever into debt, and taught America to do the same.
 
2012-12-11 10:06:06 PM  
Scott Adams could make a week-long Dilbert series out of this article.
 
2012-12-11 10:06:12 PM  

Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: You should pay me more than I'm worth!

No wage slave has ever been paid even half of what he's worth.

I don't mean your unicorn fru-fru fantasy idea of what his soul is worth...I mean his worth to the company.

If you're making the company a $10 profit per hour of your labor, your labor isn't worth $15 an hour, no matter how hungry your family is.

I don't want to get into a long discussion, but $10 profit is above and beyond the wage you're paying the worker. I'm talking about the wealth created by a wage slave's work.

Huh?

I own a company, and I sell widgets. I get $11 for each widget that I sell. I pay Bob $10 for each widget that he makes, but his family is hungry. What is your solution for the evil business owner?


$10 profit does not mean $10 revenue when sold. That means it's revenue - cost. To say "you're making your company $10 of profit per hour" would already be assuming you're being paid a certain wage - so there would be room for being paid more.

Your hilarious misunderstanding of what "profit" means aside, let's be real here. We live in a time when corporate profit margins are at all-time highs, with wages stagnating. To contend, with zero supporting evidence other than "they want to pay lower wages", that any company needs to pay low wages because they aren't profitable enough is ludicrous. Your scenario is in no way resembling the reality of this, or any other situation. Show me where UPMC is hurting financially, and perhaps you have a valid argument here.
 
2012-12-11 10:07:21 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Yeah? Well, just try making a seed deposit at the food bank, then come back in a few months expecting to make a withdrawal.


I immediately thought that they'd have food drives at work to get the employees to stock the food bank. It would be strictly voluntary, of course.
 
2012-12-11 10:08:37 PM  

Silly Jesus: ryant123: Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: You should pay me more than I'm worth!

No wage slave has ever been paid even half of what he's worth.

I don't mean your unicorn fru-fru fantasy idea of what his soul is worth...I mean his worth to the company.

If you're making the company a $10 profit per hour of your labor, your labor isn't worth $15 an hour, no matter how hungry your family is.

I don't want to get into a long discussion, but $10 profit is above and beyond the wage you're paying the worker. I'm talking about the wealth created by a wage slave's work.

Huh?

I own a company, and I sell widgets. I get $11 for each widget that I sell. I pay Bob $10 for each widget that he makes, but his family is hungry. What is your solution for the evil business owner?

If the $11 is profit then you can boost his pay to $15 and still be making $6 profit on every widget he makes.

No. I get handed $11 when I hand over my widget. I pay my worker $10 and keep $1. Just using easy numbers.


In fairness, I was pretty sure that is what you meant. But you used the word "profit," not "revenue". I'm pretty sure jaylectricity had profit in mind too.
 
2012-12-11 10:09:25 PM  

lacydog: Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: You should pay me more than I'm worth!

No wage slave has ever been paid even half of what he's worth.

I don't mean your unicorn fru-fru fantasy idea of what his soul is worth...I mean his worth to the company.

If you're making the company a $10 profit per hour of your labor, your labor isn't worth $15 an hour, no matter how hungry your family is.

I don't want to get into a long discussion, but $10 profit is above and beyond the wage you're paying the worker. I'm talking about the wealth created by a wage slave's work.

Huh?

I own a company, and I sell widgets. I get $11 for each widget that I sell. I pay Bob $10 for each widget that he makes, but his family is hungry. What is your solution for the evil business owner?

$10 profit does not mean $10 revenue when sold. That means it's revenue - cost. To say "you're making your company $10 of profit per hour" would already be assuming you're being paid a certain wage - so there would be room for being paid more.

Your hilarious misunderstanding of what "profit" means aside, let's be real here. We live in a time when corporate profit margins are at all-time highs, with wages stagnating. To contend, with zero supporting evidence other than "they want to pay lower wages", that any company needs to pay low wages because they aren't profitable enough is ludicrous. Your scenario is in no way resembling the reality of this, or any other situation. Show me where UPMC is hurting financially, and perhaps you have a valid argument here.


1. My example was purposefully simplistic (and it still confused everyone)...so yeah, I understand profit...anywho...

2. Even if the company isn't hurting (which is the case for some of them, for some of them it isn't), show me where any company is obligated to pay anyone some arbitrary amount which will make their employee "comfortable."
 
2012-12-11 10:09:46 PM  

skullkrusher: demaL-demaL-yeH: willfullyobscure: I wonder what the C-level salaries are for this non-profit?Niiice.

Twenty-three employees pulling in more than a million? In a $5 billion non-profit?
I think I know where I'd look for enough money to get Leslie and her chainmates a raise to a living wage after nine years.

a different job?


Name the largest employer in the state, farkwit. Go on - I'll wait.
 
2012-12-11 10:10:00 PM  

Silly Jesus: lelio: Silly Jesus: I own a company, and I sell widgets. I get $11 for each widget that I sell. I pay Bob $10 for each widget that he makes, but his family is hungry. What is your solution for the evil business owner?

Obviously to stop paying yourself a salary, Mr. McGreedyPants

I know (hope) you're being facetious, but this is what libs actually believe.


Nice try, but if you're paying Bob 90+% of your revenue, you got a shiatty business model. Maybe you should give up the small business idea and apply at the local factory?

You fail at business. Good day, sir.
 
2012-12-11 10:10:41 PM  

Silly Jesus: ryant123: Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: You should pay me more than I'm worth!

No wage slave has ever been paid even half of what he's worth.

I don't mean your unicorn fru-fru fantasy idea of what his soul is worth...I mean his worth to the company.

If you're making the company a $10 profit per hour of your labor, your labor isn't worth $15 an hour, no matter how hungry your family is.

I don't want to get into a long discussion, but $10 profit is above and beyond the wage you're paying the worker. I'm talking about the wealth created by a wage slave's work.

Huh?

I own a company, and I sell widgets. I get $11 for each widget that I sell. I pay Bob $10 for each widget that he makes, but his family is hungry. What is your solution for the evil business owner?

If the $11 is profit then you can boost his pay to $15 and still be making $6 profit on every widget he makes.

No. I get handed $11 when I hand over my widget. I pay my worker $10 and keep $1. Just using easy numbers.


Move manufacturing to China and make them for $2 instead.
 
2012-12-11 10:10:46 PM  

draa: Gordian Cipher: Heh, my company lets you link your paycheck with your ID badge, so you can just swipe your badge in the cafeteria and have the money taken out of your paycheck. I'm sure it's all legal (Fortune 500 company and all), but it seems awful close to Hooverville.

It's the same way at Wal-Mart. They don't allow you to put it on credit toward your paycheck but their employees buying goods from them is basically the same. If they pay someone $10 an hour but that person buys $200-$300 a month from their company, they are only paying that person about $6 an hour after their purchases. If you figure that most people employed at Wal-Mart have no choice but to shop at Wal-Mart(because it's all they can afford and still survive), then Wal-Mart is getting cheap labor because they don't pay shiat for the crap they sell anyway. It's a goddamn shame that people more people don't realize just how bad some companies are farking folks in this country and demand a change. I think we need about 2-3 days of a national strike but most people can't afford to miss that much work.


I used to work at Walmart, and IIRC, if you had a Walmart credit card you could have the payments automatically deducted from your check.
 
2012-12-11 10:10:49 PM  
The company had to have announced this food bank as a slap in the face of workers demanding higher pay because nobody could possibly be that oblivious to do something like this and think they are helping.
 
2012-12-11 10:11:21 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Jesus, when do we start hunting these greedy pukes on their golf courses?


Put up or shut up. Not getting up are you? Yea, xbox is calling, i can hear it too so dont feel bad.

We can recognize when something is wrong. We can see the obvious answers. But we simply cant get up to do anything about it. Honestly mass murder is a social service to one faction of society or the other depending on who is hit. Hell right down political lines even, think a single farking republican shed a tear when Kathy Gifford got shot in the head? They threw confetti and high five'd each other.
 
2012-12-11 10:11:23 PM  
jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: You should pay me more than I'm worth!

No wage slave has ever been paid even half of what he's worth.

I don't mean your unicorn fru-fru fantasy idea of what his soul is worth...I mean his worth to the company.

If you're making the company a $10 profit per hour of your labor, your labor isn't worth $15 an hour, no matter how hungry your family is.


Profit is what a company earns after subtracting costs from revenue. Labor is a cost. $10 profit per hour of labor means that the labor was paid for and created $10 extra dollars for the company.

These are basic principles of business. Like, extremely basic.
 
2012-12-11 10:11:44 PM  

cman: FunkOut: There's a lot of business experts in here with nothing to during the night that sit at their computer and argue with other shut-ins.

JUST LIKE THERE ARE A BUNCH OF LOSERS HIGH OR DRUNK BE AUSE THEY HAVETH NOT A LIFE


That's nice dear. I mean, I'm a shut in myself. I just sit here knitting and sipping tea.
 
2012-12-11 10:11:55 PM  

Silly Jesus: 1. My example was purposefully simplistic (and it still confused everyone)


No. Your example was obtuse and made no sense regarding the current discussion. I hope you keep trying, but damn I hope you get better.
 
2012-12-11 10:12:22 PM  

Silly Jesus: I own a company, and I sell widgets. I get $11 for each widget that I sell. I pay Bob $10 for each widget that he makes, but his family is hungry. What is your solution for the evil business owner?


So you only get a dollar? And never mind that most of that gets taxed.
 
2012-12-11 10:14:03 PM  
haha I'm an idiot not refreshing the thread
 
2012-12-11 10:14:29 PM  

Silly Jesus: ryant123: Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: jaylectricity: Silly Jesus: You should pay me more than I'm worth!

No wage slave has ever been paid even half of what he's worth.

I don't mean your unicorn fru-fru fantasy idea of what his soul is worth...I mean his worth to the company.

If you're making the company a $10 profit per hour of your labor, your labor isn't worth $15 an hour, no matter how hungry your family is.

I don't want to get into a long discussion, but $10 profit is above and beyond the wage you're paying the worker. I'm talking about the wealth created by a wage slave's work.

Huh?

I own a company, and I sell widgets. I get $11 for each widget that I sell. I pay Bob $10 for each widget that he makes, but his family is hungry. What is your solution for the evil business owner?

If the $11 is profit then you can boost his pay to $15 and still be making $6 profit on every widget he makes.

No. I get handed $11 when I hand over my widget. I pay my worker $10 and keep $1. Just using easy numbers.


This argument is farking stupid because there are millions of jobs that aren't production and profit creating.

I realize that to someone with a GOP mindset values nothing but profit, like a farking ferengi, but seriously.
 
2012-12-11 10:14:41 PM  

FunkOut: cman: FunkOut: There's a lot of business experts in here with nothing to during the night that sit at their computer and argue with other shut-ins.

JUST LIKE THERE ARE A BUNCH OF LOSERS HIGH OR DRUNK BE AUSE THEY HAVETH NOT A LIFE

That's nice dear. I mean, I'm a shut in myself. I just sit here knitting and sipping tea.


I was speaking about myself. I apologize that in retrospect, I can see why a normal person would think that I was talking about them. Me being a Moran aside, I ask for your forgiveness
 
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