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(io9)   Scientists claim that homosexuality is not genetic - but it arises in the womb. With helpful picture of completely acceptable lesbian couple   (io9.com) divider line 65
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2012-12-11 04:10:51 PM  
23 votes:
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actual lesbians
2012-12-11 03:51:17 PM  
19 votes:
So basically, it's all because of womb service?
2012-12-11 03:18:36 PM  
10 votes:
It's my mom's fault. She kept playing Barbara Streisand to me while I was still in the womb.
2012-12-11 04:20:54 PM  
9 votes:

Cythraul: Star Trek? No gay people


i.chzbgr.com
2012-12-11 04:13:48 PM  
8 votes:

Gordian Cipher: Good. Finding a 'gay gene' would just mean that some well-funded asshat would start working on a cure.


If Western medicine can't find a cure, alternative medicine surely can. I suggest homo-opathy. If you take small doses of diluted gay you might just get cured! Failing that, surely crackupuncture or guyropraxy might help.
2012-12-11 04:38:19 PM  
7 votes:
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d3
2012-12-11 04:17:55 PM  
7 votes:
I like to ask conservatives if they would be in favor of government regulation of industry if they learned the chemicals being put into products were turning people gay. It turns into a fun thought experiment until their heads explode.
2012-12-11 04:22:44 PM  
5 votes:
Just another thing to blame on women
2012-12-11 04:13:23 PM  
5 votes:
so basically it comes down to whether the pregnant woman watches SNL and finds it funny??
2012-12-11 05:10:26 PM  
4 votes:

NkThrasher: lennavan: This is the process where DNA expression is influenced by any number of external factors in the environment. And in the case of homosexuality, the researchers argue, the environment is the womb itself.

Fraternal twins share a womb. If one fraternal twin is gay, the prediction from these scientists is the other fraternal twin will always be gay. That is not true. Right there, I have disproven their hypothesis. I tried to find the article online (things get published online in advance all the time) but couldn't find it, so I have no idea if they addressed that or not.

I doubt their hypothesis is "If you are in a womb with X conditions you are gay", it is much more likely something to the effect of "If you are in a womb with X conditions there is a y% chance that you will be gay". It is entirely possible that on a 1/6 chance of being gay that one kid rolls a 1, the other rolls one of the other five options.


But if you roll a 20 and get a critical hit, you become

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2012-12-11 04:17:12 PM  
4 votes:
"Those who said that it's 'nature' - You're right. Those who said it's 'nurture' - you're right also. Those who said it's a choice - no, you're still assholes."
2012-12-11 04:14:52 PM  
4 votes:
Maybe the fundies will change their minds on abortion now.
2012-12-11 04:09:19 PM  
4 votes:
pfft.. one in front is fat
one in back has a horse face.

I wouldnt even watch these two go at it

\well at least not more then twice
\\three times
2012-12-11 07:45:50 PM  
3 votes:

KeithLM: But does anyone really believe they could have gotten away with a homosexual character on TV in the 60's?


Forgot:

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2012-12-11 04:32:22 PM  
3 votes:
Homosexuality is a Learned Behaviour. The instinct for sex involves thrusting and groping and kissing and so forth. If you get horny at the sight of a naked man, or if you get horny at the sight of a naked woman, it is only because you have been taught to make that association.

Bushmen don't have any more interest in female breasts than they do in elbows. The Western fascination with breasts is not instinctive. Certain deviants find stinky feet to be objects of desire. There is very little 'hard-wiring' involved in sexual attraction. You grope and fondle and kiss with whatever you've been taught to be appropriate.

In Imperial China, foot-binding was used to produce the 'lotus foot'. In bowdlerised accounts, Westerners are told that it caused a woman to be housebound and dependent upon her husband. Actually, the 'lotus foot' was used for both manual (pedal?) masturbation of the man, and also as a plug to stimulate a man's anus when the woman wrapped her legs around him during sexual intercourse.
2012-12-12 01:44:57 AM  
2 votes:
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What a Space Gay in the 60's might have looked like.
2012-12-11 06:34:53 PM  
2 votes:
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2012-12-11 05:12:26 PM  
2 votes:
Can't you just like to get tooled in the tooter and smoke a few sausages now and then without being gay?
2012-12-11 04:54:58 PM  
2 votes:

fracto: DROxINxTHExWIND: He'd play Barbie with the girls when you needed him to play football so that the teams would be even.


Obviously playing with girls denotes homosexuality and climbing all over sweaty boys is the height of hetero behavior. I had this conversation with a buddy after gym class, when myself and one other guy opted to do step aerobics instead of wrestling.

"Seriously man, you just spent the last 45 minutes rolling on the floor with sweaty dudes, I was standing at the back of a room full of girls in tight shorts."


This is why I'm going to encourage my nephew to go out for ballet when he's old enough. Whether he's gay or straight, he's going to be surrounded by nubile playmates.
2012-12-11 04:46:04 PM  
2 votes:

lennavan: Epigentics is not the study of how eating a cookie alters gene expression.


I don't know, I'm pretty sure I ate a cookie one time that made me gay.
2012-12-11 04:45:49 PM  
2 votes:

DROxINxTHExWIND: He'd play Barbie with the girls when you needed him to play football so that the teams would be even.



Obviously playing with girls denotes homosexuality and climbing all over sweaty boys is the height of hetero behavior. I had this conversation with a buddy after gym class, when myself and one other guy opted to do step aerobics instead of wrestling.

"Seriously man, you just spent the last 45 minutes rolling on the floor with sweaty dudes, I was standing at the back of a room full of girls in tight shorts."
2012-12-11 04:25:39 PM  
2 votes:

gingerjet: /recognized the cousin from online gay 'dating' site
//made for an awkward moment when we met for the first time at his grandfathers funeral


///made even more awkward because it was just a penis shot.
2012-12-11 04:21:44 PM  
2 votes:
"My first words, as I was being born... I looked up at my mother and said, 'that's the last time I'm going up one of those." - Stephen Fry
2012-12-11 04:17:04 PM  
2 votes:
So... are there any gay hatched animals besides big bird?
2012-12-12 11:01:24 PM  
1 votes:

letrole: My surname is Le Trôle.


Is that a learned name or did you get it from your parents?
2012-12-12 01:12:31 AM  
1 votes:
So if I have this right: when babby is formed, if the hormones go askew, these little epigenetic markers come in and clean shiat up so that the mom and fetus aren't harmed. And sometimes these little markers just hang out in the babby after it's born, and grows up, and forms its own babby, and then if ithe markers and the babby are the opposite sex, they explode in a cloud of glitter and/or flannel and the babby turns out gay?

If that's correct, then that means my granddad's got some 'splainin to do... ;D
2012-12-11 11:21:13 PM  
1 votes:

strapp3r: [i.huffpost.com image 570x380]6
actual lesbians


fess up: that was not cool. i apologize
what is cool? these two newly-weds

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2012-12-11 11:07:34 PM  
1 votes:
Frost: Hey, I sure wouldn't mind getting some more of that Arcturian poontang! Remember that time?
Spunkmeyer: Yeah, Frost, but the one that you had was a male!
Frost: It doesn't matter when it's Arcturian, baby!
2012-12-11 10:09:23 PM  
1 votes:

tinfoil-hat maggie: Trust me I can also pic out hot women : )
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We need to rough this up a bit.
2012-12-11 09:43:29 PM  
1 votes:

edgesrealm: Welcome to "a comments board that should be banned entirely by the Fark.com moderators, but won't be because it's attached to a news article".

The article shouldn't have even been greenlit.


??? Why? It's been an interesting conversation; I've learned a few things.

I've often wondered if the difficulties of my birth had something to do with my ending up gay.

I was a preemie, spend the first 6 weeks of my life alone in an incubator. Just about killed my Mom on the way out - she almost bled out - and I had to be delivered by cesarean. God or whatever really didn't want me on the planet for some reason. Thank goodness for SCIENCE!!! HAHAHA!! Take that God!

I'm also a first born and left-handed. And I have a big dick. So I guess I'm stereotypically gay?
2012-12-11 08:48:02 PM  
1 votes:

Ghastly: UseTheForksLuke: My point... as Kinsey wrote in Sexual Behavior in the Human Male (1948)

"Males do not represent two discrete populations, heterosexual and homosexual. The world is not to be divided into sheep and goats...The living world is a continuum in each and every one of its aspects."

Interviewing people about their sexual histories, the Kinsey team found that, for many people, sexual behavior, thoughts and feelings towards the same or opposite sex was not always consistent across time. Though the majority of men and women reported being exclusively heterosexual, and a percentage reported exclusively homosexual behavior and attractions, many individuals disclosed behaviors or thoughts somewhere in between.

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I'm the number 5 who makes number 1 hate his erection.


No, you're just the one that everyone regardless of sexuality or gender love : )
2012-12-11 08:42:46 PM  
1 votes:

UseTheForksLuke: My point... as Kinsey wrote in Sexual Behavior in the Human Male (1948)

"Males do not represent two discrete populations, heterosexual and homosexual. The world is not to be divided into sheep and goats...The living world is a continuum in each and every one of its aspects."

Interviewing people about their sexual histories, the Kinsey team found that, for many people, sexual behavior, thoughts and feelings towards the same or opposite sex was not always consistent across time. Though the majority of men and women reported being exclusively heterosexual, and a percentage reported exclusively homosexual behavior and attractions, many individuals disclosed behaviors or thoughts somewhere in between.

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I'm the number 5 who makes number 1 hate his erection.
2012-12-11 08:06:23 PM  
1 votes:

kim jong-un: Gordian Cipher: Good. Finding a 'gay gene' would just mean that some well-funded asshat would start working on a cure.

Well, what is wrong with that?


It'd be about as offensive as finding a "cure" to being black.

Gay people aren't problems to be solved, they're the people who get shiat done while you're busy overpopulating our already overpopulated planet.
2012-12-11 07:38:37 PM  
1 votes:

KeithLM:
Of course Sci-Fi is often reflective of themes in modern society. The original Star Trek was very progressive for having Russians, Asians and African Americans, and even aliens, all on the bridge of the Enterprise. But does anyone really believe they could have gotten away with a homosexual character on TV in the 60's?


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2012-12-11 07:28:45 PM  
1 votes:
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2012-12-11 07:24:57 PM  
1 votes:

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101flyboy: First of all........sexual orientation is too complex and it generally doesn't even fully develop until mid-late adolescence.

Try 7 or 8 years old. I remember clearly 'admiring' my fathers friends, the mailman with the big mustache, the beat cop in my neighborhood, and watching all the dirty, unshaven extras in early sitcoms like Gunsmoke, Bonanza and The Rifleman. The extras, not the stars themselves.


Hot. Please, continue.
2012-12-11 07:09:29 PM  
1 votes:

Ishkur: cross


Why say crossed? I might choose expanded. But then I knew I had the ghey in the 3rd/4th grade. I remember watching a rerun of the Star Trek episode "That which Survives" with Losira who could only touch one character at a time and kept running around saying "I am for " and I immediately knew what it meant that I was "for men." So Star Trek and Lee Meriwether outed me I guess!

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2012-12-11 06:41:37 PM  
1 votes:

Mr. Eugenides: misanthropologist: Gordian Cipher: Good. Finding a 'gay gene' would just mean that some well-funded asshat would start working on a cure.

The implication of this study is that even though it's not "genetic," it's epigenetic - meaning that it has to do with how gene expression is influenced by environmental factors. Given that the environment under discussion is a pregnant uterus, it won't be long before anti-gay folks are trying to fund and find treatments and preventative measures and demonize (and criminalize?) any intentional or unintentional action a pregnant woman might take that might contribute to phenotypic homosexuality.

That's not necessarily the case. The epigenetic markers for your sperm tend to get set at the time you go through puberty. So the diet and environment of the father from age 10-15 might have a huge impact. If the issue is simply a lack of folic acid in the diet (which is needed to set the markers) giving middle school students lunches enriched with folic acid could wipe out the gay for the next generation. Unless it's the other way and you need to restrict folic acid in which case the next generation would be fabulous!


I just have to say, the mix of nerdy with comedy in this post made it fabulous. I love your style.
2012-12-11 06:39:00 PM  
1 votes:

misanthropologist: Gordian Cipher: Good. Finding a 'gay gene' would just mean that some well-funded asshat would start working on a cure.

The implication of this study is that even though it's not "genetic," it's epigenetic - meaning that it has to do with how gene expression is influenced by environmental factors. Given that the environment under discussion is a pregnant uterus, it won't be long before anti-gay folks are trying to fund and find treatments and preventative measures and demonize (and criminalize?) any intentional or unintentional action a pregnant woman might take that might contribute to phenotypic homosexuality.


That's not necessarily the case. The epigenetic markers for your sperm tend to get set at the time you go through puberty. So the diet and environment of the father from age 10-15 might have a huge impact. If the issue is simply a lack of folic acid in the diet (which is needed to set the markers) giving middle school students lunches enriched with folic acid could wipe out the gay for the next generation. Unless it's the other way and you need to restrict folic acid in which case the next generation would be fabulous!
2012-12-11 06:37:05 PM  
1 votes:

styckx: Why is this even being studied? What's the purpose?


Lots of reasons, but these three are probably the biggest:

A: Because we want to learn EVERYthing about DNA that we can, why certain things happen certain ways, and only to certain people. More specifically, we want to lear everything about the human genome.

B: Because you have groups that want to "cure" gayness, and groups that want to show that it's not a "choice".

C: Just to piss you off.
2012-12-11 06:07:55 PM  
1 votes:

mizchief: If you believe in evolution, then it's kind of hard to imagine how homosexuality would be genetic.


Evolution is based on the idea of random mutations leading to changes in species. It does NOT postulate that all random mutations will be helpful or will help the species' cause; it does NOT postulate that all random mutations that happen to become encoded in the DNA of a species or a subset of its members will be helpful or will help the species' cause. If a species is so dominant as to survive in spite of a potentially large number of unhelpful random mutations, then there is no reason why a dominant species wouldn't, by random chance, evolve a potentially large number of unhelpful or even harmful, genetic variations among its members.

I think what you mean to say is: If you believe in intelligent design and also believe that homosexuality is harmful to the species as a whole or the individual members of that species who happen to be homosexual, it's kind of hard to imagine how homosexuality would be genetic.
2012-12-11 05:53:52 PM  
1 votes:
There's a solution to the controversy: DON'T HAVE KIDS.

Additional benefits include, but are not limited to:

1. More money.
2. More time.
3. Sleep.
4. Pets.
5. Replacement pets.
6. No bed time.
7. No "other kid" germs hitching a ride from school to make you sick.
8. Nothing to complicate your inevitable divorce.

...

1,372. No uncomfortableness regarding your kids' sexuality.
2012-12-11 05:45:58 PM  
1 votes:

FarkinHostile: orbister: How do you know there were no gay characters?


I never heard a guy talk with lisp on Star Trek, therefore they were all straight.

STRAIGHT, I TELL YOU!

/Im out of here
I need a drink


that kid on family guy last night didn't talk with a lisp
2012-12-11 05:39:12 PM  
1 votes:

FarkinHostile: darth_badger: Can't you just like to get tooled in the tooter and smoke a few sausages now and then without being gay?

It's called "The Navy".


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2012-12-11 05:38:13 PM  
1 votes:

darth_badger: Can't you just like to get tooled in the tooter and smoke a few sausages now and then without being gay?


It's called "The Navy".
2012-12-11 05:21:23 PM  
1 votes:

letrole: Homosexuality is a Learned Behaviour. The instinct for sex involves thrusting and groping and kissing and so forth. If you get horny at the sight of a naked man, or if you get horny at the sight of a naked woman, it is only because you have been taught to make that association.

Bushmen don't have any more interest in female breasts than they do in elbows. The Western fascination with breasts is not instinctive. Certain deviants find stinky feet to be objects of desire. There is very little 'hard-wiring' involved in sexual attraction. You grope and fondle and kiss with whatever you've been taught to be appropriate.

In Imperial China, foot-binding was used to produce the 'lotus foot'. In bowdlerised accounts, Westerners are told that it caused a woman to be housebound and dependent upon her husband. Actually, the 'lotus foot' was used for both manual (pedal?) masturbation of the man, and also as a plug to stimulate a man's anus when the woman wrapped her legs around him during sexual intercourse.


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2012-12-11 05:12:31 PM  
1 votes:

hasty ambush: tedthebellhopp: Maybe the fundies will change their minds on abortion now.

Two edged sword. How would liberals feel if people prescreened and aborted children that may turn out to be gay? Just fetal tissue right? In this case gay fetal tissue.


Have you ever been NOT stupid?
2012-12-11 04:59:06 PM  
1 votes:
Since they are people at conception then this proves that being gay is a choice.

I'm blinding you with science. Boop-Boop-Boop
2012-12-11 04:58:50 PM  
1 votes:

gingerjet: Cythraul: I'm not sure what you're getting at here. There was a bald character on Star Trek: The Next Generation. There were no gay characters on TNG. There were characters who flirted with the issue, or topics of an ambiguous nature that implied homosexuality, but no gay characters.

Bald people were represented. Gay people? Not at all.

Considering how awful TNG was - I don't consider the absence of a major gay character a bad thing.

/I also don't care


You mean Wesley Crusher was not gay?!
2012-12-11 04:56:18 PM  
1 votes:

Buttknuckle: Cythraul: Buttknuckle: I've noticed that, amongst my friends and I, that the amount of older brothers that you have seems like a common thread.

I have two older brothers, one older sister.

Yeah, I have one of each. The only one who goes against this that I know of is my SO. He's the oldest of three boys.


That you know of....
2012-12-11 04:54:02 PM  
1 votes:

HailRobonia: burndtdan: lennavan: Epigentics is not the study of how eating a cookie alters gene expression.

I don't know, I'm pretty sure I ate a cookie one time that made me gay.

Was it a fig screwton?


Nutter Butter
2012-12-11 04:50:35 PM  
1 votes:
LOL. I see I'm getting fried here, today. Probably deserved in this instance.
2012-12-11 04:49:07 PM  
1 votes:

lennavan: Gordian Cipher: Good. Finding a 'gay gene' would just mean that some well-funded asshat would start working on a cure.

A "gay gene" was found in Drosophila over 15 years ago. They named it "fruity" because mutations in that gene made the flies ... well it made males chase other males instead of females.

I just want to be clear, this "study" is merely a model:

To reach this conclusion, Rice and Friberg created a biological and mathematical model that charted the role of epigenetics in homosexuality.

They generated a hypothesis and looked at some other results and decided the results were consistent with their hypothesis. They have not actually tested their hypothesis. What's more, their prediction contradicts other observations. Here is the key part:

This is the process where DNA expression is influenced by any number of external factors in the environment. And in the case of homosexuality, the researchers argue, the environment is the womb itself.

Fraternal twins share a womb. If one fraternal twin is gay, the prediction from these scientists is the other fraternal twin will always be gay. That is not true. Right there, I have disproven their hypothesis. I tried to find the article online (things get published online in advance all the time) but couldn't find it, so I have no idea if they addressed that or not.


Here's an article with discussion of twins

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Nice!
2012-12-11 04:44:56 PM  
1 votes:

letrole: Prey4reign No lesbian couple can be called "completely acceptable" unless unclothed, well oiled and in 69 mode.

Lesbians are not hot. Lesbians are a fetish for involuntarily abstinent young men who have been desensitised to normal sexual imagery.


Lesbians are, at the very least, a 2 for 1 special on naked ladies.
2012-12-11 04:37:18 PM  
1 votes:
Why is this even still a debate? Come on, we ALL knew a gay kid. He'd play Barbie with the girls when you needed him to play football so that the teams would be even. He'd suck his teeth to express disappointment. He had "mannerisms" that his Dad/Uncles would try to break him out of ("Boy, stop holding your wrist limp like that" "Boy, stop talking like that. You been around your mama too long"). When I was in 4th grade the gay kids name was Erin. He hung with the popular girls but he never had a girlfriend. He jumped rope...We all knew he was gay, he just didn't have anyone to be gay with him.
2012-12-11 04:35:38 PM  
1 votes:

misanthropologist: Gordian Cipher: Good. Finding a 'gay gene' would just mean that some well-funded asshat would start working on a cure.

The implication of this study is that even though it's not "genetic," it's epigenetic - meaning that it has to do with how gene expression is influenced by environmental factors. Given that the environment under discussion is a pregnant uterus, it won't be long before anti-gay folks are trying to fund and find treatments and preventative measures and demonize (and criminalize?) any intentional or unintentional action a pregnant woman might take that might contribute to phenotypic homosexuality.


lol, yeah right... they don't know the first thing about science to make that happen. Unless, "Put garlic near your twat to prevent the ghey," counts as science.
2012-12-11 04:34:20 PM  
1 votes:
No lesbian couple can be called "completely acceptable" unless unclothed, well oiled and in 69 mode.
2012-12-11 04:28:18 PM  
1 votes:
Also, related:

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During the 90s, gay rights were gaining steam, and so while the issue was clouded in a metaphor about trill mating rules pertaining to mates from past lives, they just so happened to both be women. So when it became a thing that was being discussed and normalized in society, it showed up in science fiction.

/hot
/and hotlinked
2012-12-11 04:24:18 PM  
1 votes:
I'm perfectly okay with attractive men hooking up with each other. Less competition for the women.
2012-12-11 04:22:59 PM  
1 votes:

Cythraul: RexTalionis: Hey, remember when our ancestors laid eggs and the temperature of the nest would change the gender of the offspring?

Yeah, those were the good ol' days. You kids get off of my egg clutch!


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2012-12-11 04:21:47 PM  
1 votes:

RexTalionis: Hey, remember when our ancestors laid eggs and the temperature of the nest would change the gender of the offspring?


Yeah, those were the good ol' days. You kids get off of my egg clutch!
2012-12-11 04:20:29 PM  
1 votes:

Lumpmoose: That might be a thing. It makes sense for Darwinian selection. As a tribe/community reaches a certain number of children, you want a certain percentage to become childless adults that can help raise or adopt children of relatives. It increases the overall survival rate of the tribe.


I call that the "funny uncle hypothesis".
2012-12-11 04:16:36 PM  
1 votes:
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I will gladly help them play for the other team.
2012-12-11 04:12:21 PM  
1 votes:

Gordian Cipher: Good. Finding a 'gay gene' would just mean that some well-funded asshat would start working on a cure.


This is why there are / were no gay people in science fiction films and books set in the future. Think about it. Star Trek? No gay people. And why is that? I always just assumed they came up with a 'cure,' and gay people willingly took it, rather than be rejected by half of society.
2012-12-11 04:09:17 PM  
1 votes:
I've always thought it had something to do with the hormone level of the mother during pregnancy.
 
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