Rent Party: BigBurrito:The question becomes, what area of science has the best potential to disprove global warming.Mixology, duh!Look at all that ice![tlbadventures.com image 266x400]
fiver5: OK fine you win, climate change is real.So lets all give more money to the government.
doyner: Interesting how the vast majority of people that reject the overwhelming scientific evidence of climate change are willing to believe claims made in texts that are mellinia old without any skepticism....
hutchkc: Damnhippyfreak: olddinosaur: Okay warmers! If fossil fuels are making the earth hotter, what's making it warmer on Mars?Short answer: It's probably not warming on Mars.If I recall the warming on Mars was due to bad data, but don't quote me on that one.
rotsky: I'll always have, in the back of my mind, the fact that some scientists faked their data a couple years ago.I'm Im not an idiot, it just made me skeptical.
Chigau: I don't doubt that the climate is changing, i simply doubt that we fully understand why. We only have a few hundred years of recorded history, and even less of that directly pertains to the environment, The rest is supposition based off of geological and anthropological studies. And all of this is meant to make us think we know what is normal in the lifespan of a planet?I cant help but feel that this is like looking at one month in the life of a 14 year old to try and determine what its entire history was and will be, as well as why.That doesn't mean that the concerns of environmentalists are wrong, if anything they are good ideas for their own sake. It just means, in my mind, that we aren't able to truly say there is a direct correlation between some things.
sweetmelissa31: rotsky: I'm not an idiot, it just made me skeptical.Are you skeptical about whether vaccines really don't cause autism too? I mean, autism rates have gone up, and vaccination rates have gone up. There are some scientists who think that vaccines cause autism. I'm just asking questions.
Rev.K: Once again, I paraphrase from the documentary 'The Corporation'"In the last 75 years, mankind has consumed and burned more resources than in the entire history of the Earth combined".The Earth has been around for approximately 4.5 billion years. A lot has happened in that time, certainly. But consider that in a time span of only 75 years, a blink of an eye in comparison with the age of the planet, we have burned more gas, more diesel, clear-cut more forests and polluted more air to travel trillions of miles in planes, cars, trains and buses. And in that same span we have industrialized vast swaths of the planet for the sole purpose of producing stuff.And there are those that would have us believe that this utterly unprecedented impact to the environment has had no consequence whatsoever.Really.
Diogenes: doyner: Interesting how the vast majority of people that reject the overwhelming scientific evidence of climate change are willing to believe claims made in texts that are mellinia old without any skepticism....Faith in God has sustained us much longer than science has.
Tatterdemalian: whidbey: Frederick: Do you have trouble with reading comprehension?You do. You keep using words like "debatable." Did you have trouble reading TFA? Maybe you should eye the pie chart posted earlier. My favorite flavor. Cherry red.1. The Church science of AGW does not debate those who are inferior to it. endlessly repeat long debunked talking points.2. Anyone who disagrees with any of the tenets of the Church of AGW are, by definition, inferior. science is welcome to challenge it. When their challenges are shown to be idiotic propaganda they will be mocked.3. Therefore, the tenets of the Church of AGW are, by definition, not debatable. uneducated idiots are unable to defent their positions and the the stupidity of their arguments is pointed out every time they regurgitate them./this exercise in circular logic has been brought to you by the anti-science movement of America//not adapted ... they never adapt
Oznog: SlothB77: [thefrugalwinesnob.com image 496x423][thefrugalwinesnob.com image 496x423]LOL THIS. Because I'm over 40. I remember in elementary school they taught that science showed we were going to freeze in an ice age caused by pollution. It was scientific fact, at the time.
chuckufarlie: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: chuckufarlie: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: chuckufarlie:Are you aware that if one removes the stations installed since the 1980s from the data, the warmest period in the USA is in the 1930s and not today? While that is not world wide, it implies something significant.Why remove any data? You can build it into the model. Boobies.You could, but the scientists at the CRU did not. You really are a tool.And....Boobies to you too..I have spent enough time dealing with a moron like you pretending to know something. Consider yourself and your boobies ignored. You are obviously an idiot.
jso2897: Seriously: we have been to the moon
chuckufarlie: that interview was picked up and reported by every major news source.
chuckufarlie: It was a real interview where German economist and IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer gave an eye-opening interview to Neue Zürcher Zeitu
SlothB77: [thefrugalwinesnob.com image 496x423]
RobertBruce: And before 1.3 million years ago we were warmer for a long long time. Sure we're changing. It's the "human caused" that is bullshiat.
Pocket Ninja: Journey with me, subby, back to the early 1600s. You remember studying the 1600s, right? It was a great time of science and learning, but it it was also a great time of scientific misunderstanding. The best of times and the worst of times, if you want to cite a book that's about to be a very, very big Christmas movie. If you're into that sort of gay musical thing, I mean. I'm certainly not, but whatever floats your boat.But anyway, I distract myself. My point is that, back in the 1600s, everybody -- and I do mean everybody, every peasant and every scientist and every priest, every-freakin'-body--believed in something called Heliocentrism. Which basically was the belief that everything rotated around the sun. No, wait, that's the way it really is. It's the belief that everything rotates around the earth.No, wait, I was right the first time. Heliocentrism is the belief that everything rotates around the sun , but it's not what everybody believed. Everybody believed that second thing I wrote, about stuff orbiting earth. I don't know what they called it. Earth-centrism maybe. Or Terra-centrism, scientists like using the word "Terra" instead of "Earth" because it's Latin and sounds fancier. But, so, everybody believed in Terra-centrism, and then along comes this guy named Galileo, had the gumption, the guts, the stones to stand up to the world and say NO. The universe is HELIOCENTRIC. Everything orbits the SUN, not the other way around!Well, as you might imagine, people were pissed off. Nobody likes their entire universe being questioned. Galileo (his friends called him Leo) was imprisoned in his own house, which doesn't sound to bad until you realize they didn't have electricity back then. No TV, no radio, no internet. Imagine that. He was imprisoned for years. But he stuck to his guns. And, eventually, everybody realized that he was right, after all. The sun IS at the center of the universe.So think about it. If you were to take your fancy little pie chart and publish it back in the 1600s, what would it look like? The red sliver, which represents plucky ol' Leo, would barely be there at all. And the massive black chunk would represent everybody else who thought he was wrong. AND HE WASN'T WRONG. So what's that tell?Remember -- being correct means having the courage to stand up to the world when you know you're in the right. It means being the lone voice in a tempest, the single drop in an ocean. Learn from Leo, who was immortalized centuries later in Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody, which tells the story of his struggle to shine truth into the world. I find him absolutely inspiring..
turnerdude69: Earth has been warming since the last ice age...FACT ....You assume we can do something to stop it....
maxheck: SevenizGud:buck1138: One more time cause you clearly have a case of the stupids.Another tard who can't distinguish the following from each other:A. The earth NEVER warmed.B. The earth is not PRESENTLY warming.Ok. Is the Earth warming? We'll wait for your answer before asking the next question.
Geotpf: How come neither of you don't know what the plural of the word "scientist" is?
rotsky: I'll always have, in the back of my mind, the fact that some scientists faked their data a couple years ago.I'm not an idiot, it just made me skeptical.
Endive Wombat: BigBurrito: Endive Wombat: All I am going to add to this is that my understanding about those who question global warming is this (and let's be honest, it is a major sticking point): What is its cause and what, if anything can we do about it?I believe many people have stopped worrying about the cause, and very, very few holdouts cling to denying its existence.The consequences of global warming are still very much up for debate, even within the sciences. What happens, when does it happen, and what may change the outcome? Hell, if we have a very large Volcanic eruption the ash will cool the atmosphere. TI think that is where the former deniers are moving to. Better to debate future consequences, that can be neither proved or disproved. Kind of like conspiracy theories, it has the ability to grab peoples imaginations. That is a good and fun thing and has the benefit of enabling research to proceed without as much political interference.Well, several hundred years ago, the Earth was warmed (Medieval Warm Period) and cooled (Little Ice Age) with what I think most people will agree as zero influence by humans as we were not contributing much to the total Earth's CO2 output at that point in time. Again, with what little I have studied, I am more apt to believe that sun spots and other Earthly/Nature based factors contribute 98% of global warming. While I am not denying the fact that we more than likely contribute somewhat to Global Warming...I just suspect that there are other, much larger factors at play that try as we may, we will never be able to overcome and will have almost zero ability to do anything about it.
Lucky LaRue: All that shows is scientist are worse than the average population when it comes to group-think.
GAT_00: SlothB77: You won't get funding from the USA to write papers arguing against global warming, no matter how sound your science is. And if you need funding ...You mean like this study paid for by the Koch brothers that proved that climate change is real?
SlothB77: You won't get funding from the USA to write papers arguing against global warming, no matter how sound your science is. And if you need funding ...
BigBurrito: Why cant humans cause global warming? What makes us incapable of causing impacts on a large scale?
Endive Wombat: All I am going to add to this is that my understanding about those who question global warming is this (and let's be honest, it is a major sticking point): What is its cause and what, if anything can we do about it?IIRC the human contribution to total yearly CO2 output is something on the order of less than one half of one percent (0.05%). Volcanoes, oceanic outgassings, cow farts/non human animal farts and rotting plant matter are the major contributors to the Earth's CO2 ./I have not done any research on the matter and may be totally wrong about my second paragraph...I cannot remember where I heard this stuff from...CNN, Fox....???
Cythraul: SlothB77: [thefrugalwinesnob.com image 496x423]Time magazine is now the authority on global climate?
wxboy: The surge from Sandy wasn't really nearly as much about higher sea levels, but the shear size of the storm. Just nowhere for the surge to go but inland.
cameroncrazy1984: Now this is some quality trolling!
cameroncrazy1984: Even included some spelling and grammatical errors to make it realistic.
The Stealth Hippopotamus: Has anyone ever said the planet wasn't changing?! Any dumb enough to think that the planet was always this way and will always be this way?!If there is throw them down a canyon and while they fall to their death yell "there use to be ice here!".
Pocket Ninja: Journey with me, subby, back to the early 1600s...
Diogenes: cameroncrazy1984: Diogenes: doyner: Interesting how the vast majority of people that reject the overwhelming scientific evidence of climate change are willing to believe claims made in texts that are mellinia old without any skepticism....Faith in God has sustained us much longer than science has.You're not very good at this trolling thing.My heart's just not in it.
cameroncrazy1984: Diogenes: doyner: Interesting how the vast majority of people that reject the overwhelming scientific evidence of climate change are willing to believe claims made in texts that are mellinia old without any skepticism....Faith in God has sustained us much longer than science has.You're not very good at this trolling thing.
Snarfangel: Almost all of the pie is gone!
BigBurrito: tobcc: Dont get me wrong, I think we as humans have changed the climate, but.. we are looking at data from ~100 years, the world is 6 billion years old (or 4000 if that is your thing). It is still a really small sample size.This is wrong. We have data going back much, much, much further:LinkScroll down to temperature and CO2 graph.Of course understanding how we can reconstruct temperature data requires understanding a bit more science, therefore many will dismiss it. It is interesting that they can reconstruct CO2 levels, and dust levels as well.
BravadoGT: Consensus =/= science. Still.
GAT_00: There's also this simple little fact: if you were born after February 1985, you have never experienced a month where the global temperature was below the 20th century average. One month proves nothing. One year proves nothing. 332 months in a row? Only an ignorant fool would claim temperatures are not rising when confronted with the near statistical impossibility of that fact.
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