rotsky: I'll always have, in the back of my mind, the fact that some scientists faked their data a couple years ago.I'm not an idiot, it just made me skeptical.
olddinosaur: Okay warmers! If fossil fuels are making the earth hotter, what's making it warmer on Mars?
Geotpf: How come neither of you don't know what the plural of the word "scientist" is?
Damnhippyfreak: Chigau: I don't doubt that the climate is changing, i simply doubt that we fully........ if anything they are good ideas for their own sake. It just means, in my mind, that we aren't able to truly say there is a direct correlation between some things.You're bringing up an important point, but be aware that the attribution of anthropogenic climate change isn't based on simple correlation, but instead understanding of the underlying mechanisms and processes.
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Ambitwistor: wvskyguy: The earth has been experiencing hot and cold cycles since the beginning of time. Scientists cut down trees today and can see that for themselves, and they can see that MAN had nothing to do with it. Move along, nothing to see here.You may want to reflect on the fact that climate scientists are both aware of natural cycles, and also believe that humans can alter those cycles. Ponder how these two observations can be consistent with each other and you may learn something.
rotsky: I'll always have, in the back of my mind, the fact that some scientists faked their data a couple years ago.I'm Im not an idiot, it just made me skeptical.
Insatiable Jesus: Nothing like a GW thread to summon the Army of Stupid.
Insatiable Jesus: Joe Blowme: I wonder how many scientists are out there still trying to prove the earth is flat? I wonder why?PS - Our President, still black. Enjoy.You have to wonder? That explains alot about you. See, most scientist use teh scientific method which means they will keep questioning and testing and not just call it a day when they reach CONSENSUS. Now, get back in your moms basement, she will have your mac and cheese ready for you soon.-----------You're the one who threw the Flat Earth out there. So, answer the question. If, as you say, scientists keep questioning and testing, why aren't they still trying to prove the earth is flat?Yeah, thought so.
rotsky: I'll always have, in the back of my mind, the fact that some scientists faked their data a couple years ago.
lewismarktwo: What about the inherent bias of science journals to not publish a negative result?
BravadoGT: Consensus =/= science. Still.
thesloppy: A google search of "effects of global warming" will return thousands of abstracts/papers touching on all sorts of tangential effects at all types of scale, in which global warming would never be questioned by the reviewer, because it wasn't the focus of the study.
Kazan: zedster: tobcc: we are looking at data from ~100 years, the world is 6 billion years old (or 4000 if that is your thing). It is still a really small sample size.WRONG!! Ice core samples, we have data going back 800,000 yearsand the the formation of rocks helps us know about carbon and temperature levels as well. we get back much further than 800k with that.
Diogenes: Book of Genesis:9:11 I will establish my covenant with you; neither will all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of the flood; neither will there any more be a flood to destroy the earth."9:12 God said, "This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:9:13 I set my rainbow in the cloud, and it will be for a sign of a covenant between me and the earth.9:14 It will happen, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the rainbow will be seen in the cloud,9:15 and I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh, and the waters will no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.9:16 The rainbow will be in the cloud. I will look at it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth."9:17 God said to Noah, "This is the token of the covenant which I have established between me and all flesh that is on the earth."I'll take God's solemn word over any egghead's any day.
Dusk-You-n-Me: 99/100 climatologists tell you our actions are responsible for the accelerated warming of the earth
garkola: In science, consensus isn't as powerful as you'd like to think.
Joe Blowme: I was unawared the scientific method tells us to stop asking questions once we had a consensus and publication, you would have gotten along great with the flat earthers and the church at the time.
maxheck: Worst part about this, pretty much the saddest.... he's lying *and knows he's doing it.*. There was no time in his life where he was freaked out about some coming ice age claimed by pop sci magazines. I grew up in the 60's and 70's and if we're trading anecdotes, no, sorry. That wasn't an issue.It's a convenient point for people to misrepresemember. "OH HELL YEAH! THEM SCIENTESTS SAID WE WERE ALL GONNA FREEZE" is the way they remember it after an evening of AM radio, and It becomes the new reality.
TabASlotB: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 300x404]Here's a nice .gif of the fake TIME cover.Those using the fake should feel free to admit to being a complete buffoon./hot .gif
Geotpf: JackieRabbit: Lucky LaRue: All that shows is scientist are worse than the average population when it comes to group-think.You know how I know you don't know any scientist? They are the most contentious and skeptical people you will ever meet. All but the worst ones are skeptical of anything that goes against their experience, which is why they insist on peer review. The process can be brutal and not for the thin-skinned.How come neither of you don't know what the plural of the word "scientist" is?
SevenizGud: Dusk-You-n-Me: 99/100 climatologists tell you our actions are responsible for the accelerated warming of the earthAccelerated warming? There isn't any warming AT ALL.[img580.imageshack.us image 748x379]
SevenizGud: Accelerated warming? There isn't any warming AT ALL.
SevenizGud: Insatiable Jesus: Nothing like a GW thread to summon the Army of Stupid.Because nothing says "stupid" like citing NASA's own data for 10+ years, amirite?
iheartscotch: Can we all just admit that graphs going back one hundred years are just as intellectually dishonest as charts going back ten years?/ to draw meaningful conclusions on the climate; you need to consider data from thousands of years
Nightsweat: The oldest remnants of civilization are about 6000 11000 years old
buck1138: One more time cause you clearly have a case of the stupids.
Pocket Ninja: Journey with me, subby, back to the early 1600s. You remember studying the 1600s, right? It was a great time of science and learning, but it it was also a great time of scientific misunderstanding. The best of times and the worst of times, if you want to cite a book that's about to be a very, very big Christmas movie. If you're into that sort of gay musical thing, I mean. I'm certainly not, but whatever floats your boat.But anyway, I distract myself. My point is that, back in the 1600s, everybody -- and I do mean everybody, every peasant and every scientist and every priest, every-freakin'-body--believed in something called Heliocentrism. Which basically was the belief that everything rotated around the sun. No, wait, that's the way it really is. It's the belief that everything rotates around the earth.No, wait, I was right the first time. Heliocentrism is the belief that everything rotates around the sun, but it's not what everybody believed. Everybody believed that second thing I wrote, about stuff orbiting earth. I don't know what they called it. Earth-centrism maybe. Or Terra-centrism, scientists like using the word "Terra" instead of "Earth" because it's Latin and sounds fancier. But, so, everybody believed in Terra-centrism, and then along comes this guy named Galileo, had the gumption, the guts, the stones to stand up to the world and say NO. The universe is HELIOCENTRIC. Everything orbits the SUN, not the other way around!Well, as you might imagine, people were pissed off. Nobody likes their entire universe being questioned. Galileo (his friends called him Leo) was imprisoned in his own house, which doesn't sound to bad until you realize they didn't have electricity back then. No TV, no radio, no internet. Imagine that. He was imprisoned for years. But he stuck to his guns. And, eventually, everybody realized that he was right, after all. The sun IS at the center of the universe.So think about it. If you were to take your fancy little pie chart and publish it back in the 1600s, what would it look like? The red sliver, which represents plucky ol' Leo, would barely be there at all. And the massive black chunk would represent everybody else who thought he was wrong. AND HE WASN'T WRONG. So what's that tell?Remember -- being correct means having the courage to stand up to the world when you know you're in the right. It means being the lone voice in a tempest, the single drop in an ocean. Learn from Leo, who was immortalized centuries later in Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody, which tells the story of his struggle to shine truth into the world. I find him absolutely inspiring.
Flash_NYC: SlothB77: [thefrugalwinesnob.com image 496x423]You aren't supposed to remember that. (As I do too.)They'll either start calling you names, or accusing you of making it up.Also, I'll say it again.Consensus != Scientific Truth.Also, for you AGW folks. Just what event, event or data would falsify AGW? In other words, how would we know if Global Warming stopped?
buck1138: You would have sucked at calculus.
cameroncrazy1984: Because 10 years is a great sample size when trying to prove global warming since the industrial revolution.
turnerdude69: The Earth has been warming up long before people had anything to do with it...
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