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2012-12-11 03:58:01 PM
I don't like to hear bad news or to feel guilty about things so this is totally bogus.
 
2012-12-11 03:58:34 PM
All that shows is science is dead. We've threw out questioning our conclusions and taken the money. 
Used to be a seventh grader could tell you the steps of the scientific method... doubt they even teach it now.
 
2012-12-11 03:58:39 PM
Hair pie?

t1.gstatic.com

/oh, sank you
 
2012-12-11 03:59:11 PM

kombat_unit: So, bomb all industry and return to the caves?


or, find cleaner ways to do business.

But that might cut into profits a little so forget it, lets bomb all industry and return to caves.
 
2012-12-11 03:59:52 PM

BigBurrito: Diogenes: Faith in God has sustained us much longer than science has.

Adaptability of our species has maintained us much, much longer still. God is a newcomer, a powerful concept, but very new and occupying only the briefest moment in time. God does not exist without common language. Common language is still fairly new within our species.


SO MANY assumptions.
 
2012-12-11 04:00:20 PM
I don't really doubt climate change so much. I've seen a huge change in my own climate over the past 20 years. I'm just not ready to buy into the notion that the phenomenon is completely man-made.

Climate change has been happening since the dawn of the time. Certainly we can't blame it all on the burning of fossil fuels...

Unless you consider dino-fart methane a type of fossil fuel. Maybe that's what caused their extinction...but I digress...
 
2012-12-11 04:00:29 PM
somethingshiny.com

Rent Party: BigBurrito:
The question becomes, what area of science has the best potential to disprove global warming.

Mixology, duh!

Look at all that ice!

[tlbadventures.com image 266x400]


WHAT IS THAT??? I WANT ONE!!!!!!
 
2012-12-11 04:00:45 PM
Pocket Ninja: /snip

Another gem...
 
2012-12-11 04:01:22 PM

RobertBruce: And before 1.3 million years ago we were warmer for a long long time. Sure we're changing. It's the "human caused" that is bullshiat.


But you can't raise fuel taxes on the sun, now can you? ;-)
 
2012-12-11 04:01:47 PM
The only definitive thing that can be said about the climate is that it will change.

Whether the current cycle of change is caused by humans, or sunspots, or goats, is pretty much irrelevant.

The idea that modifying our actions will allow us to act as some sort of global thermostat is ludicrous.

The earth has been hotter, and the earth has been colder. It will be hotter again, and colder again.

Instead of arguing about the effects that these changes will have - some inevitable, some possibly not inevitable - I think we as a species are far better off trying to figure out how to live in a changing world. Unfortunately this means undoing things already done, like unchecked population growth, fossil fuel dependence, building cities below sea level.

While it's possible that the earth is warming as a direct result of man, there's no proof that the miles will come off just by putting the car on blocks in reverse. We had better figure out how to live with climate change rather than try to control climate change.
 
2012-12-11 04:01:53 PM
socioecohistory.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-11 04:02:35 PM
Nice pie chart.

It could easily be renamed for many other concepts that are unpopular with the central banking system...

like enforcing immigration laws, ending the wars,
 
2012-12-11 04:02:42 PM

Snarfangel: Almost all of the pie is gone!


In terms of an actual pie, that sliver is less than the part of the pie that gets squished straight down if you use the spatula to cut the pie. Once. You're not actually removing any pie from the plate; you've just made the first cut.
 
2012-12-11 04:02:53 PM

SlothB77: [thefrugalwinesnob.com image 496x423]


thefrugalwinesnob.com

LOL THIS. Because I'm over 40. I remember in elementary school they taught that science showed we were going to freeze in an ice age caused by pollution. It was scientific fact, at the time.
 
2012-12-11 04:03:48 PM

Lucky LaRue: All that shows is scientist are worse than the average population when it comes to group-think.


People want to be popular... WITH the crowd, not against it. It's that way in school and it's that way in real life. These so-called scientists are no different. The earth has been experiencing hot and cold cycles since the beginning of time. Scientists cut down trees today and can see that for themselves, and they can see that MAN had nothing to do with it. Move along, nothing to see here.
 
2012-12-11 04:03:52 PM
Oh,... its just a consensus graph, i thought it might have actual facts and science attached.
 
2012-12-11 04:03:56 PM
Here's another topic about which there is no scientific controversy but plenty of self-declared pro-science thinkers deny the science to further their own personal agenda:

In the long-term, diet and exercise alone will not bring about significant, sustained weight loss in the majority of people. You can easily find tons of qualified, long-term, peer-review studies confirming this. You can not find any qualified, long-term peer-reviewed study showing it to be false. Yet lots of people run around spouting off the idea that you can lose lots of weight and keep it off in the long term through diet and exercise as though that is fact.

Oh, and in case you're wondering: Here's the science

Here's the short of it:

In conclusion, this meta-analysis of 29 reports of long-term weight-loss maintenance indicated that weight-loss maintenance 4 or 5 y after a structured weight-loss program averages 3.0 kg or 23% of initial weight loss, representing a sustained reduction in body weight of 3.2%. Individuals who participated in a VLED program or lost ≥20 kg had a weight-loss maintenance at 4 or 5 y of 7 kg or 29% of initial weight loss, representing a sustained reduction in body weight of 6.6%. Although success in weight-loss maintenance has improved over the past decade, much more research is required to enable most individuals to sustain the lifestyle changes in physical activity and food choices necessary for successful weight maintenance.
 
2012-12-11 04:03:56 PM

Spanky_McFarksalot: Not that I think man-made climate change is a lie, I do think we are screwing up the climate, but...science has agreed overwhelmingly on topics and theories in the past, only to be proven wrong later.

everyone agreeing doesn't equal being right.


This observation is logically correct, but not very useful in practice. No, scientists agreeing on something does not mathematically prove its validity. But it makes it much more likely to be true. While scientific consensus is sometimes wrong, most of the time it is right. (Or at least approximately correct at the level the question is being asked at the time ... as in Newtonian vs. Einsteinian physics.)
 
2012-12-11 04:04:16 PM
All I need to know about global warming is right there in the crowd that denies it.
 
2012-12-11 04:04:39 PM
I think it would be stupid to try and say the Earth's climate isn't changing.

The Earth is really old, and it's gone through a wide spectrum of climates. Many of which would make human life impossible, nearly impossible, or just really, really, really damn hard.

The meaningful debate is to what degree human's are impacting it, which actions of ours are contributing to it, what is the cost/benefit ratio to altering our lifestyles/developing new technologies to prevent it. Then it gets harder. In a perfect, fictional world, maybe we'd just achieve a perfect balance with nature and have a 'zero impact' lifestyle. Whatever that means. But a lot of people would die. We can't go 100% green without abandoning a lot of technology. A lot of people would support this - no pesticides or genetically modified crops that yield 8x the food....even though it means lots more starving people. And in our imperfect world, there are lots of *other* problems. At least, potential problems....like overpopulation, poverty, violence, disease, oppression, terrorism, really hard math problems, I mean, there's a lot of 'stuff' we don't know that we spend resources on.

So, it's not enough to say, 'Oh yeah - there is global warming'.

I'm not a scientist and I don't think global warming is a particularly interesting topic; but a lot of what I have researched makes me think a lot of people are f***ing retarded when it comes to the topic. Recycling, especially paper, is a bad thing. Carbon offsets is a retarded thing. Hybrids largely suck. The majority of people I know who claim to be environmentalist against Global Warming are just smug hypocrites. I know it's an anecdote and it's stereotypical, but most of the hybrid owners and recyclists have the largest carbon footprints. 2600 sq ft. house for a family of four with AC and a sprinkler system, four cars between them all, annual family vacation, every iDevice imaginable.....but will include the 'Please think before printing this e-mail' signature and tell me not to throw away paper when I could put it in the recycle bin.
 
2012-12-11 04:05:00 PM

qorkfiend: What sort of examples of the scientific consensus being wrong did you have in mind?


I can give one. Continental Drift, the precursor to plate tectonics, was roundly brow beaten.

Of course that was when publishing and research was much, much harder to fund.
 
2012-12-11 04:05:09 PM
Chocolate Silk Pecan Pie

Crust
1 box Pillsbury® refrigerated pie crusts, softened as directed on box

Pecan Filling
2 eggs 1/3 cup granulated sugar 1/2 cup dark corn syrup 3 tablespoons butter or margarine, melted 1/8 teaspoon salt, if desired 1/2 cup chopped pecans

Chocolate Filling
1 cup hot milk 1/4 teaspoon vanilla 1 bag (12 oz) semisweet chocolate chips (2 cups)
Topping
1 cup whipping cream 2 tablespoons powdered sugar 1/4 teaspoon vanilla Chocolate curls, if desired


1
Heat oven to 350°F. Place pie crust in 9-inch glass pie plate as directed on box for One-Crust Filled Pie.

2
In small bowl, beat eggs with electric mixer on medium speed until well blended. Add granulated sugar, corn syrup, butter and salt; beat 1 minute. Stir in pecans. Pour into crust-lined pie plate. Cover crust edge with 2- to 3-inch-wide strips of foil to prevent excessive browning; remove foil during last 15 minutes of bake time.

3
Bake 40 to 55 minutes or until center of pie is puffed and golden brown. Cool 1 hour.

4
Meanwhile, in blender or food processor, place chocolate filling ingredients. Cover; blend about 1 minute or until smooth. Refrigerate until mixture is slightly thickened but not set, about 1 hour 30 minutes.

5
Gently stir chocolate filling; pour over cooled pecan filling in crust. Refrigerate at least 1 hour or until firm before serving.

6
Just before serving, in small bowl, beat whipping cream, powdered sugar and 1/4 teaspoon vanilla with mixer on high speed until stiff peaks form. Spoon or pipe whipped cream over filling. Garnish with chocolate curls. Cover and refrigerate any remaining pie.
 
2012-12-11 04:05:27 PM
Personally, I think the evidence for climate change is overwhelming, and I really thought this video does a good job of discussing it: Climate Change Is Simple: Remix.

However, to this:

FTFA:

Now I know some people will just say that this is due to mainstream scientists suppressing controversy and all that, but let me be succinct: That's bull. Science thrives on dissenting ideas, it grows and learns from them. If there is actual evidence to support an idea, it gets published.

I can only say:

www.clker.com

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

/scientist
//that's how I thought too
///before I became involved in academia
////easy example: drug studies
 
2012-12-11 04:05:46 PM
Oznog:
LOL THIS. Because I'm over 40. I remember in elementary school they taught that science showed we were going to freeze in an ice age caused by pollution. It was scientific fact, at the time.

But science in 1977 consisted of hitting rocks together. Today we have internets and such.
 
2012-12-11 04:05:50 PM
Oh sure - "peer" reviews!
i1151.photobucket.com
`...and I'll fudge the equation right here so I can concur with your analysis, good ol' "peer" of mine.'

`Like "best-peers-forever" or BPF, amirite?'
 
2012-12-11 04:06:15 PM

wvskyguy: The earth has been experiencing hot and cold cycles since the beginning of time. Scientists cut down trees today and can see that for themselves, and they can see that MAN had nothing to do with it. Move along, nothing to see here.


You may want to reflect on the fact that climate scientists are both aware of natural cycles, and also believe that humans can alter those cycles. Ponder how these two observations can be consistent with each other and you may learn something.
 
2012-12-11 04:06:58 PM

dogfather_jr: While it's possible that the earth is warming as a direct result of man, there's no proof that the miles will come off just by putting the car on blocks in reverse.


That's actually the whole point. Anything above a 2 degrees C increase (which we're set to blow past) and there's a very real possibility that certain positive feedback loops would be set in motion. For example, the Siberian permafrost melts, releasing the methane underneath, further melting the permafrost, and so on. White sea ice (that reflects energy) melts and turns into blue sea water (that absorbs energy), further melting the ice, and so on.

If these positive feedback loops were set in motion we could end all emissions in a day and it wouldn't matter any more. The planet would continue to warm regardless of any action we took. It would be out of our hands completely.
 
2012-12-11 04:07:22 PM
M'kay...let me see a pie chart depicting how many studies denying climate change were also denied federal funding vs. studies that sought to confirm it. Because it may very well be that the reason there were only 24 studies denying climate change is that funding was not equally dispersed.

As someone above said, just because you see concensus doesn't mean that you have scientific validity.

In addition, even if you take global warming as a given, there is still no conclusive data to indicate a specific cause, nor is there conclusive data to indicate that it will continue to rise. So until science has something concretely useful to offer on this subject they really shouldn't expect anything but derision and mockery.
 
2012-12-11 04:07:24 PM
I remember snow.
 
2012-12-11 04:07:51 PM
From the late, great George Carlin...


"We're so self-important. Everybody's going to save something now. "Save the trees, save the bees, save the whales, save those snails." And the greatest arrogance of all: save the planet. Save the planet, we don't even know how to take care of ourselves yet. I'm tired of this shiat. I'm tired of f-ing Earth Day. I'm tired of these self-righteous environmentalists, these white, bourgeois liberals who think the only thing wrong with this country is that there aren't enough bicycle paths. People trying to make the world safe for Volvos. Besides, environmentalists don't give a shiat about the planet. Not in the abstract they don't. You know what they're interested in? A clean place to live. Their own habitat. They're worried that some day in the future they might be personally inconvenienced. Narrow, unenlightened self-interest doesn't impress me.

The planet has been through a lot worse than us. Been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sun spots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles ... hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors, worldwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages ... And we think some plastic bags and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference? The planet isn't going anywhere. WE are!

We're going away. Pack your shiat, folks. We're going away. And we won't leave much of a trace, either. Maybe a little Styrofoam ... The planet'll be here and we'll be long gone. Just another failed mutation. Just another closed-end biological mistake. An evolutionary cul-de-sac. The planet'll shake us off like a bad case of fleas.

The planet will be here for a long, long, LONG time after we're gone, and it will heal itself, it will cleanse itself, 'cause that's what it does. It's a self-correcting system. The air and the water will recover, the earth will be renewed. And if it's true that plastic is not degradable, well, the planet will simply incorporate plastic into a new paradigm: the earth plus plastic. The earth doesn't share our prejudice toward plastic. Plastic came out of the earth. The earth probably sees plastic as just another one of its children. Could be the only reason the earth allowed us to be spawned from it in the first place. It wanted plastic for itself. Didn't know how to make it. Needed us. Could be the answer to our age-old egocentric philosophical question, "Why are we here?"

Plastic... asshole."
 
2012-12-11 04:09:10 PM

Endive Wombat: BigBurrito: Endive Wombat: All I am going to add to this is that my understanding about those who question global warming is this (and let's be honest, it is a major sticking point): What is its cause and what, if anything can we do about it?

I believe many people have stopped worrying about the cause, and very, very few holdouts cling to denying its existence.

The consequences of global warming are still very much up for debate, even within the sciences. What happens, when does it happen, and what may change the outcome? Hell, if we have a very large Volcanic eruption the ash will cool the atmosphere. T

I think that is where the former deniers are moving to. Better to debate future consequences, that can be neither proved or disproved. Kind of like conspiracy theories, it has the ability to grab peoples imaginations. That is a good and fun thing and has the benefit of enabling research to proceed without as much political interference.


Well, several hundred years ago, the Earth was warmed (Medieval Warm Period) and cooled (Little Ice Age) with what I think most people will agree as zero influence by humans as we were not contributing much to the total Earth's CO2 output at that point in time. 

Again, with what little I have studied, I am more apt to believe that sun spots and other Earthly/Nature based factors contribute 98% of global warming. While I am not denying the fact that we more than likely contribute somewhat to Global Warming...I just suspect that there are other, much larger factors at play that try as we may, we will never be able to overcome and will have almost zero ability to do anything about it.


Its too bad we haven't been monitering the suns output for decades now. It would be really cool if we could just rule this kind of shiat out.
 
2012-12-11 04:09:33 PM
Climate change is real, no question about it, and has been since the earth was formed. MAN MADE/CAUSED/PREVENTABLE climate change, on the other hand, is the stuff of legendary hoax....
 
2012-12-11 04:09:55 PM
www.sciencebuddies.org

In case you've all forgotten, here's a first-grade diagram. Recognizing a relationship does not prove NOT solid cause and effect...

Even the science god Bill Nye neglects the mention when he's farking famous again as an "I thought he was dead!" legend,
 
2012-12-11 04:10:19 PM
Joe Blowme: Oh,... its just a consensus graph, i thought it might have actual facts and science attached.


------------------


The graph represents the science that is out there, you deliberately obtuse twit.

Haven't you figured out that nobody believes you people any more? Our President isn't getting any whiter and the science isn't going away. But enjoy tilting at your windmills and helping the GOP implode.
 
2012-12-11 04:11:24 PM

Oznog: SlothB77: [thefrugalwinesnob.com image 496x423]

[thefrugalwinesnob.com image 496x423]

LOL THIS. Because I'm over 40. I remember in elementary school they taught that science showed we were going to freeze in an ice age caused by pollution. It was scientific fact, at the time.


Just to be clear, this is your logic:

1) Premise: Climatologists have been wrong in the past.
2) Conclusion: Climatologists are wrong now.

Is that correct? If so, every single field of science is SCREWED (especially physics!) ZOMG PANIC!!!!11ONE1

www.elevenwarriors.com
 
2012-12-11 04:12:39 PM

dogfather_jr: The idea that modifying our actions will allow us to act as some sort of global thermostat is ludicrous.


Not so ludicrous. We can certainly reverse global warming by eliminating CO2 emissions. And by increasing them, we can very likely forestall ice ages. (Though we'd want to do that intelligently, not burning them all at once.) We probably could even out the ice age cycle completely if we tried.

Instead of arguing about the effects that these changes will have - some inevitable, some possibly not inevitable - I think we as a species are far better off trying to figure out how to live in a changing world.

Adaptation is important and will be necessary, but overall, when talking about major global changes, prevention is less painful than adaptation.

While it's possible that the earth is warming as a direct result of man, there's no proof that the miles will come off just by putting the car on blocks in reverse.

The laws of physics work in both directions. If increasing CO2 warms the planet, decreasing CO2 will cool it. If "tipping points" exist, then not everything will be irreversible just by returning to the original state. (If we melt a major ice sheet, then returning to a pre-industrial climate won't recreate it; we'd need a new ice age to do that.) That argues for halting the CO2 increase before many tipping points have been passed.
 
2012-12-11 04:12:39 PM

Holocaust Agnostic: SO MANY assumptions.


You don't think that humans are adaptable? We do not live in a variety of climates many of which many are not suited to us? We are static and do not change?

What is the assumption, other than me poking a stick at the God comment?
 
2012-12-11 04:12:52 PM

Insatiable Jesus: All I need to know about global warming is right there in the crowd that denies it.


[clap]

You mean the crowd that used numbers to prove Mitt Romney was going to win last month?
 
2012-12-11 04:12:54 PM

jwest13: Climate change is real, no question about it, and has been since the earth was formed. MAN MADE/CAUSED/PREVENTABLE climate change, on the other hand, is the stuff of legendary hoax....


What alternate mechanism do you propose to explain observed warming?
 
2012-12-11 04:13:30 PM
FTA: "Science thrives on dissenting ideas, it grows and learns from them...."

SHUT UP DENIER!!!!


www.theinquirer.net
 
2012-12-11 04:14:31 PM

fiver5: OK fine you win, climate change is real.

So lets all give more money to the government.


This is your brain on conservatism kids. Remember to just say no!

/ And they are
// How's that Old White People's Party thing workin for ya?
 
2012-12-11 04:14:41 PM
So... you're telling me there's a chance?
 
2012-12-11 04:15:16 PM
The problem is global warming.

The solution is to drink snake oil till you die of alcohol poisoning, and if that doesn't work, get force-fed Jim Jones Kool-Aid at gunpoint.

/there are too many people, so some of you will have to die
//yes, some of YOU people
///I have guns, money, and the law on my side, so if you want to sacrifice me on your altars to Mother Gaia, bring it on
 
2012-12-11 04:15:16 PM

BigBurrito: many of which many


I said many twice.
 
2012-12-11 04:16:12 PM
Bullshiat Time Magazine cover is bullshiat.

Here is the real one:
i.imgur.com
Here's the source
 
2012-12-11 04:17:04 PM

rotsky: I'll always have, in the back of my mind, the fact that some scientists faked their data a couple years ago.

I'm not an idiot, it just made me skeptical.


There is no facepalm image epic enough to display the level of facepalm this deserves.
 
2012-12-11 04:17:22 PM
BunkoSquad: Insatiable Jesus: All I need to know about global warming is right there in the crowd that denies it.

[clap]

You mean the crowd that used numbers to prove Mitt Romney was going to win last month?



---------------


And who used numbers to prove that de-regulation of the financial industry would make us all rich. And who used numbers to convince us that becoming a "service economy" by shipping half our manufacturing to communist China would make our lives better. I struggle to find any example of modern conservatism being correct about anything.
 
2012-12-11 04:17:42 PM
Deniers and birthers have to deny and birth....
 
2012-12-11 04:17:54 PM

Oznog: SlothB77: [thefrugalwinesnob.com image 496x423]

[thefrugalwinesnob.com image 496x423]

LOL THIS. Because I'm over 40. I remember in elementary school they taught that science showed we were going to freeze in an ice age caused by pollution. It was scientific fact, at the time.



Be careful that "scientific fact" isn't necessarily what is covered in the popular media, nor what is taught in elementary school. A much better metric would be the state of the literature at the time:

mind.ofdan.ca
From Peterson et al. 2008. The majority of the literature at the time pointed towards warming, which suggests the impression you got back then might not have been an accurate representation of scientific knowledge at that time.

All that aside, be aware that the cover on the left in the picture you posted is a fake.
 
2012-12-11 04:18:05 PM

Pocket Ninja: Journey with me, subby, back to the early 1600s. .... The sun IS at the center of the universe.

So think about it. If you were to take your fancy little pie chart and p ...


Inspired. That should go in the Christmas Newsletter.
 
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