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2012-12-11 01:05:20 PM  
When asked if Clark should have let a bus full of kids die Pa Kent doesnt say "maybe".
 
2012-12-11 01:18:31 PM  
Too dark. Not in tone or mood, but brightness. Looks like they filmed the whole thing in Seattle.
 
2012-12-11 01:33:16 PM  
wonder if they are going to recreate the famous shaving scene?

media.comicvine.com
 
2012-12-11 02:22:23 PM  
Was that Toby Ziegler?
 
2012-12-11 02:24:07 PM  
Left?
 
Bf+
2012-12-11 02:42:39 PM  

ShawnDoc: Left?

 
2012-12-11 02:43:28 PM  
I think looks interesting. At the very least it picked my curiosity.

Hope is good...
 
2012-12-11 02:44:13 PM  
Not bad, looks like it's going to be better than the last outing
 
2012-12-11 02:44:42 PM  
Looks awesome... I was one of the first to proclaim Bryan Singer's version as crap on IMDB message boards, and was banned for it. Nobody believed me.
 
2012-12-11 02:44:42 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: When asked if Clark should have let a bus full of kids die Pa Kent doesnt say "maybe".


Agreed.
 
2012-12-11 02:45:07 PM  
I'm sorry, I asked for a Superman movie. This is what I get? Nowhere in this trailer do I see Real Estate mentioned.
 
2012-12-11 02:45:14 PM  
Looked way too muddy, the operatic/choral music just made me miss John Williams theme for Superman and the "maybe" line better be a trailer editing trick and not something Pa Kent says about a bus full of school kids drowning.
 
2012-12-11 02:45:39 PM  
Saw the trailer and only one word describes it: Underwhelming.

I'm not even comparing this to the "Iron Man 3" trailer, even compared to the "Dark Knight Rises" and "The Avengers" trailer this was...meh. A trailer should be getting me giddy to watch it; I can't even muster the strength to be interested in even getting excited about it.
 
2012-12-11 02:45:42 PM  

DarkPascual: At the very least it picked peeked my curiosity.


pit poove.
 
2012-12-11 02:46:31 PM  

T.rex: Looks awesome... I was one of the first to proclaim Bryan Singer's version as crap on IMDB message boards, and was banned for it. Nobody believed me.


Csb.
 
2012-12-11 02:47:15 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: When asked if Clark should have let a bus full of kids die Pa Kent doesnt say "maybe".


Yeah, that weirded me out. Pa Kent has changed a lot over the years, but he's never been...amoral.
 
2012-12-11 02:47:31 PM  
I'd just followed a similar link on Facebook.

It has.. potential. I noticed the armed soldiers didn't put their guns down in his presence.. they're unsure of him.
 
2012-12-11 02:48:33 PM  

Alphax: I'd just followed a similar link on Facebook.

It has.. potential. I noticed the armed soldiers didn't put their guns down in his presence.. they're unsure of him.


Silly soldiers. Superman never worries about the bullets, but he'll duck if you throw the gun.
 
2012-12-11 02:48:52 PM  
It makes me wonder. That's better than the last one that turned me off of seeing it.
 
2012-12-11 02:48:55 PM  

AntonChigger: T.rex: Looks awesome... I was one of the first to proclaim Bryan Singer's version as crap on IMDB message boards, and was banned for it. Nobody believed me.

Csb.


In all fairness, he was absolutely right. That movie WAS crap. Right on par with Matrix Revolutions.
 
2012-12-11 02:51:50 PM  

SkylineRecords: AntonChigger: T.rex: Looks awesome... I was one of the first to proclaim Bryan Singer's version as crap on IMDB message boards, and was banned for it. Nobody believed me.

Csb.

In all fairness, he was absolutely right. That movie WAS crap. Right on par with Matrix Revolutions.


Stop being hypothetical. I'm positive they stopped making Superman movies after Superman II and that they never got around to any sequels to The Matrix.
 
2012-12-11 02:52:10 PM  
Yeah, Pa Kent saying 'Maybe' seems weird. On one hand, he knows he raised Clark to do the right thing, but on the other hand, he doesn't want people to see his son as different.
 
2012-12-11 02:53:11 PM  

SkylineRecords: AntonChigger: T.rex: Looks awesome... I was one of the first to proclaim Bryan Singer's version as crap on IMDB message boards, and was banned for it. Nobody believed me.

Csb.

In all fairness, he was absolutely right. That movie WAS crap. Right on par with Matrix Revolutions.


Nah, Revolutions was better. I tried sitting through Superman Returns one day. Not enough Spacey in the world to save that piece of crap. Bryan Singer should have never left the X-Men franchise, especially if that was the mess he was going to follow it up with.
 
2012-12-11 02:54:33 PM  
Looks good. I'll at least rent it.
 
2012-12-11 02:54:38 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: DarkPascual: At the very least it picked peeked piqued my curiosity.


Not sure if grammar nazi trolling but I did it anyway.
 
2012-12-11 02:55:53 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: DarkPascual: At the very least it picked peeked my curiosity.

pit poove.


Joking?

/piqued
 
2012-12-11 02:56:50 PM  
He's still wearing a cape? Didn't he hear what happened to Strato-Girl?
 
2012-12-11 02:57:18 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: When asked if Clark should have let a bus full of kids die Pa Kent doesnt say "maybe".


I actually found that intriguing. Pa Kent was worried about Clark's abilities making him an outcast. This sounds like an actual conversation that Father who has an all powerful son may actually have. There may be no easy answer.

And it looks like they are going to have Superman punching and fighting... So that is good.

I just wish the costume was brighter...
 
2012-12-11 02:58:09 PM  

Bf+: ShawnDoc: Left?


it's alright, he had the lasagna
 
2012-12-11 02:59:26 PM  
So...is this a reboot 'origin' story where people are encountering Superman for the 'first time'? And...is he fighting other kryptonians? :)
 
2012-12-11 03:00:41 PM  
Yet another origin story? Is there anyone left who still doesn't know the origin of Superman?
 
2012-12-11 03:00:56 PM  

Rwa2play: Saw the trailer and only one word describes it: Underwhelming.

I'm not even comparing this to the "Iron Man 3" trailer, even compared to the "Dark Knight Rises" and "The Avengers" trailer this was...meh. A trailer should be getting me giddy to watch it; I can't even muster the strength to be interested in even getting excited about it.


I think the music made it a little less interesting. If they had used something similar to John William's score there would be a lot more excitement. The music for this one sounded a lot like Elysium from The Gladiator.
 
2012-12-11 03:01:49 PM  

voran: So...is this a reboot 'origin' story where people are encountering Superman for the 'first time'? And...is he fighting other kryptonians? :)


Seems like Yes to both. At least, someone threw him into a barn, and not many can do that.
 
2012-12-11 03:03:26 PM  
Oh, and they've cast someone to be General Zod.
 
2012-12-11 03:04:29 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

Su-per-man...
 
2012-12-11 03:04:48 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: The Stealth Hippopotamus: When asked if Clark should have let a bus full of kids die Pa Kent doesnt say "maybe".

I actually found that intriguing. Pa Kent was worried about Clark's abilities making him an outcast. This sounds like an actual conversation that Father who has an all powerful son may actually have. There may be no easy answer.

And it looks like they are going to have Superman punching and fighting... So that is good.

I just wish the costume was brighter...


It seems like Pa Kent's response to Clark isn't in sequence with the previous dialogue, I would guess they edited the convo for effect in the trailer. The response does seem kind of out-of-character. Still, I wouldn't mind being wrong.
 
2012-12-11 03:07:00 PM  

voran: So...is this a reboot 'origin' story where people are encountering Superman for the 'first time'? And...is he fighting other kryptonians? :)


Every generation does their version of Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet, Tarzan, Sherlock Homes, King Arthur, Robin Hood, Superman and Batman.

Hell, Doctor Who reimagines itself with each incarnation and producers.
 
2012-12-11 03:07:09 PM  
Oh I get it, Superman is a Christ character. I never connected those dots before.

AND:

A superhero movie that really gets to the heart of what makes a superhero tick. No one has promised that before. OR: Gloomy choral music = complex.
 
2012-12-11 03:07:33 PM  
I think they should keep Superman with a beard. It'll fit in well with the Space Moses metaphor that is Kal-El anyway...
 
2012-12-11 03:08:24 PM  

thornhill: Superman is a Christ character.


He's a Moses character!
 
2012-12-11 03:10:12 PM  
I'm OK with this. Kind of feels like Ang Lee to me and, even though it didn't quite work out with Hulk, I can dig it.
 
2012-12-11 03:10:45 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: voran: So...is this a reboot 'origin' story where people are encountering Superman for the 'first time'? And...is he fighting other kryptonians? :)

Every generation does their version of Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet, Tarzan, Sherlock Homes, King Arthur, Robin Hood, Superman and Batman.

Hell, Doctor Who reimagines itself with each incarnation and producers.


Except when people re-stage Shakespeare they completely reimagine the setting in order to try and gain new insight into the characters. With the comic book movies, the origin story remains mostly the same.
 
2012-12-11 03:11:42 PM  

RexTalionis: thornhill: Superman is a Christ character.

He's a Moses character!


He's an ubermensch!
 
2012-12-11 03:12:26 PM  
Enough with the reboots. Jebus...
 
2012-12-11 03:13:00 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: When asked if Clark should have let a bus full of kids die Pa Kent doesnt say "maybe".



Are you surprised? It's a Zach Snyder film with Chris Nolan producing. It's going to be a dark, "more realistic" version of Superman similar to the Nolan Batman films. Whether this is a good or bad thing is up to you.
 
2012-12-11 03:13:32 PM  

Bf+: ShawnDoc: Left?

 
2012-12-11 03:15:14 PM  

SkepticalBeliever: The Stealth Hippopotamus: When asked if Clark should have let a bus full of kids die Pa Kent doesnt say "maybe".


Are you surprised? It's a Zach Snyder film with Chris Nolan producing. It's going to be a dark, "more realistic" version of Superman similar to the Nolan Batman films. Whether this is a good or bad thing is up to you.


If they're so concerned with realism, then why the hell couldn't they have made the custom a little less ridiculous?
 
2012-12-11 03:17:01 PM  
Aside from dark visuals, it looks good. Good effects, good acting, good story. I love superhero movies that question what it means to be a hero and have some depth to them.

Never was a huge fan of Superman, but this looks good. Curious to see more Zod, however.
 
2012-12-11 03:17:36 PM  

un4gvn666: Darth_Lukecash: The Stealth Hippopotamus: When asked if Clark should have let a bus full of kids die Pa Kent doesnt say "maybe".

I actually found that intriguing. Pa Kent was worried about Clark's abilities making him an outcast. This sounds like an actual conversation that Father who has an all powerful son may actually have. There may be no easy answer.

And it looks like they are going to have Superman punching and fighting... So that is good.

I just wish the costume was brighter...

It seems like Pa Kent's response to Clark isn't in sequence with the previous dialogue, I would guess they edited the convo for effect in the trailer. The response does seem kind of out-of-character. Still, I wouldn't mind being wrong.


It's about context... We don't know how the conversation would end up...or how it started.

If it gets people talking about the movie... Great.
bulok
I think the music made it a little less interesting. If they had used something similar to John William's score there would be a lot more excitement. The music for this one sounded a lot like Elysium from The Gladiator.


They really need to get away from the Donner films. The biggest failing of the last outing was it based in The Donner films while screwing up the characters.
 
2012-12-11 03:18:21 PM  

PsyLord: Enough with the reboots. Jebus...


You're right, they should bring Christopher Reeves back and just continue from the originals.
 
2012-12-11 03:18:38 PM  
I was really hoping they'd go back into editing and get rid of those chem trails. Breaking the sound barrier is fine, I get it, he's going really fast, but the chem trails are really dumb.
 
2012-12-11 03:19:34 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: I actually found that intriguing. Pa Kent was worried about Clark's abilities making him an outcast. This sounds like an actual conversation that Father who has an all powerful son may actually have. There may be no easy answer.


Pa Kent was always the rock that Clark Kent was built off of. That's what made Smallville interesting. He was there just long enough to get Clark started in the right direction. A few times they played with the idea of Clark being raised by someone other than the Kents and just how bad that would be.

No matter how messed up Clark got his father's teaching would bring him back around. In tv, comics, or movies. Pa Kent was the backbone

And yes Pa Kent was Clark's father.
 
2012-12-11 03:20:17 PM  

puckrock2000: Yet another origin story? Is there anyone left who still doesn't know the origin of Superman?


Isn't he avenging his murdered parents or something?
 
2012-12-11 03:20:31 PM  

thornhill: SkepticalBeliever: The Stealth Hippopotamus: When asked if Clark should have let a bus full of kids die Pa Kent doesnt say "maybe".


Are you surprised? It's a Zach Snyder film with Chris Nolan producing. It's going to be a dark, "more realistic" version of Superman similar to the Nolan Batman films. Whether this is a good or bad thing is up to you.

If they're so concerned with realism, then why the hell couldn't they have made the custom a little less ridiculous?


Because, then he wouldn't be Superman. The cape, the S, the suit in general has to be there to be associated with the name Superman. It's a prerequisite that you can't really mess with.
 
2012-12-11 03:20:42 PM  
A Zack Snyder movie and no freeze-shots in the trailer? There may be hope for this.

/Did like Watchmen, for the most part.
 
2012-12-11 03:20:51 PM  

thornhill: SkepticalBeliever: The Stealth Hippopotamus: When asked if Clark should have let a bus full of kids die Pa Kent doesnt say "maybe".


Are you surprised? It's a Zach Snyder film with Chris Nolan producing. It's going to be a dark, "more realistic" version of Superman similar to the Nolan Batman films. Whether this is a good or bad thing is up to you.

If they're so concerned with realism, then why the hell couldn't they have made the custom a little less ridiculous?


Didn't they? No red underwear and the suit looks closer to armor than spandex.
 
2012-12-11 03:21:46 PM  
It's on my list to see, but not near the top.
 
2012-12-11 03:21:52 PM  

Desquamation: puckrock2000: Yet another origin story? Is there anyone left who still doesn't know the origin of Superman?

Isn't he avenging his murdered parents or something?


No, that's The Wonder Twins you're thinking of.
 
2012-12-11 03:21:54 PM  

LeroyBourne: I was really hoping they'd go back into editing and get rid of those chem trails. Breaking the sound barrier is fine, I get it, he's going really fast, but the chem trails are really dumb.


Contrails.
 
2012-12-11 03:22:20 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: They really need to get away from the Donner films. The biggest failing of the last outing was it based in The Donner films while screwing up the characters.


Then you probably don't want to read this.
 
2012-12-11 03:22:52 PM  

texdent: Desquamation: puckrock2000: Yet another origin story? Is there anyone left who still doesn't know the origin of Superman?

Isn't he avenging his murdered parents or something?

No, that's The Wonder Twins you're thinking of.


No, they were bitten by a radioactive spider.

TWO!

TWO radioactive spiders.
 
2012-12-11 03:24:40 PM  

fozziewazzi: He's still wearing a cape? Didn't he hear what happened to Strato-Girl?


There are times when I love FARK so very much. This is one of those times.
 
2012-12-11 03:24:41 PM  

Coolkevin: Bf+: ShawnDoc: Left?


Really guys?

He's saying that the Youtube comments will be all: "I WANT TO SEE THIS FFS".

The right will be Fark talking about, at best, about how there isn't alot of chance this will be good. No fanboi gushlove here. Not after Superman Returns.
 
2012-12-11 03:24:45 PM  

texdent: Desquamation: puckrock2000: Yet another origin story? Is there anyone left who still doesn't know the origin of Superman?

Isn't he avenging his murdered parents or something?

No, that's The Wonder Twins you're thinking of.


Huh... I thought The Wonder Twins went after the thugs responsible for burning down their parent's bakery.

I'm apparently way out of the loop when it comes to comics...
 
2012-12-11 03:25:16 PM  

voran: So...is this a reboot 'origin' story where people are encountering Superman for the 'first time'? And...is he fighting other kryptonians? :)


Yes, it's a complete reboot. And yes, he's fighting other Kryptonians, in this case it's General Zod and Black Zero (The terrorist organization responsible for the destruction of Krypton version). I'm guessing he has a whoopsie and opens the Phantom Zone...
 
2012-12-11 03:25:34 PM  

thornhill: Darth_Lukecash: voran: So...is this a reboot 'origin' story where people are encountering Superman for the 'first time'? And...is he fighting other kryptonians? :)

Every generation does their version of Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet, Tarzan, Sherlock Homes, King Arthur, Robin Hood, Superman and Batman.

Hell, Doctor Who reimagines itself with each incarnation and producers.

Except when people re-stage Shakespeare they completely reimagine the setting in order to try and gain new insight into the characters. With the comic book movies, the origin story remains mostly the same.


if you stage Romeo and Juliet with Juliet going off to college and Romeo opening a headship and marrying a girl name moonflower- it ceased to be Romeo and Juliet.

Superman must come from a doom planet of Krypton. Spider-Man must be bitten by a radioactive spider. Batman must have his parents killed and influence by Bat symbols.

Otherwise-you wouldn't be telling the story.
 
2012-12-11 03:25:44 PM  

Wayne 985: Aside from dark visuals, it looks good. Good effects, good acting, good story. I love superhero movies that question what it means to be a hero and have some depth to them.

Never was a huge fan of Superman, but this looks good. Curious to see more Zod, however.


I want to see more:
images1.wikia.nocookie.net 
/hot
 
2012-12-11 03:25:56 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Coolkevin: Bf+: ShawnDoc: Left?

Really guys?

He's saying that the Youtube comments will be all: "I WANT TO SEE THIS FFS".

The right will be Fark talking about, at best, about how there isn't alot of chance this will be good. No fanboi gushlove here. Not after Superman Returns.


no here on fark you must hate everything everyone might like just to fit in
 
2012-12-11 03:25:57 PM  

bulok: Rwa2play: Saw the trailer and only one word describes it: Underwhelming.

I'm not even comparing this to the "Iron Man 3" trailer, even compared to the "Dark Knight Rises" and "The Avengers" trailer this was...meh. A trailer should be getting me giddy to watch it; I can't even muster the strength to be interested in even getting excited about it.

I think the music made it a little less interesting. If they had used something similar to John William's score there would be a lot more excitement. The music for this one sounded a lot like Elysium from The Gladiator.


Like the other trailers I mentioned I couldn't listen to them, could only watch them.

"The Avengers": WANT
"The Dark Knight Rises": WANT
"Iron Man 3": WANT
"Man of Steel": meh.

That's not exactly hopeful AFAIC; if I couldn't get up for the trailer with just the scenes...there's not much hope for this movie I'm afraid. I could be wrong as I was on "The Amazing Spider-Man".
 
2012-12-11 03:26:42 PM  

Wayne 985: Aside from dark visuals, it looks good. Good effects, good acting, good story. I love superhero movies that question what it means to be a hero and have some depth to them.

Never was a huge fan of Superman, but this looks good. Curious to see more Zod, however.


Notsureifserious.jpg

I couldn't tell anything about the story, effects, acting just from that trailer. It looks pretty much like any big budget Hollywood CGI heavy action flick.
 
2012-12-11 03:30:16 PM  
I dunno, just can't get past my ideal supes being more along the lines of barrel-chested Alex Ross supes and not some skinny kid.
 
2012-12-11 03:30:52 PM  
This looks very promising. I hated all of the '70s Superman movies then, and really hate them now. Never saw the last one due to all the negative feedback.

DC characters lend themselves to this type of treatment, especially Batman. Given the historical rap on Superman , even the inspiration for Stan Lee to go crazy with all the Marvel characters, was that Superman was too perfect and boring, this looks like it could be a wonderful way to like the character again.
 
2012-12-11 03:31:29 PM  

the opposite of charity is justice: I dunno, just can't get past my ideal supes being more along the lines of barrel-chested Alex Ross supes and not some skinny kid.


supes, really? REALLY?
 
2012-12-11 03:31:43 PM  
Superman really is the lamest super hero. He is invincible except for this one kind of green rock that hurts him? Unless this movie involves kyrptonite, nothing can hurt him so where is the danger in him not being able to save the day? The Doomsday/Reign of Supermen storyline was the only interesting thing in the entire run of the comics and even that they deus ex machina'd the ending by making him none of the original 4 posers. There is zero depth to the Superman character and there is no reason he should be as popular as he is

Also, taking off your glasses is the dumbest/laziest disguise ever, and we are all dumber for accepting it as part of the premise
 
2012-12-11 03:31:51 PM  
At least I didn't see any bald guys in the trailer.
 
2012-12-11 03:32:42 PM  
On a side note
my kids loved the superman returns
are bored to death if you put any of the originals in

it's like they're writing movies for a certain audience or something
 
2012-12-11 03:34:11 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: A few times they played with the idea of Clark being raised by someone other than the Kents and just how bad that would be.


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-11 03:34:34 PM  

Lee's_Austin: Darth_Lukecash: They really need to get away from the Donner films. The biggest failing of the last outing was it based in The Donner films while screwing up the characters.

Then you probably don't want to read this.


that said the batman films had some inspiration from donner
 
2012-12-11 03:34:51 PM  

Lee's_Austin: Darth_Lukecash: They really need to get away from the Donner films. The biggest failing of the last outing was it based in The Donner films while screwing up the characters.

Then you probably don't want to read this.


He used Donner as an influence in Batman Begins- telling a serious detailed origin story. It still was a Batman story.

But this is Nolan/Snyder version of the origin. It will be different-but still Superman
 
2012-12-11 03:35:08 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: Superman really is the lamest super hero. He is invincible except for this one kind of green rock that hurts him? Unless this movie involves kyrptonite, nothing can hurt him so where is the danger in him not being able to save the day? The Doomsday/Reign of Supermen storyline was the only interesting thing in the entire run of the comics and even that they deus ex machina'd the ending by making him none of the original 4 posers. There is zero depth to the Superman character and there is no reason he should be as popular as he is

Also, taking off your glasses is the dumbest/laziest disguise ever, and we are all dumber for accepting it as part of the premise


I'm going to need to rewatch the trailer, but I think this is the attempt they are making.
 
2012-12-11 03:35:18 PM  
I actually enjoyed Superman Returns

/please, not in the face... not in the face!
 
2012-12-11 03:35:45 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: Superman really is the lamest super hero. He is invincible except for this one kind of green rock that hurts him? Unless this movie involves kyrptonite, nothing can hurt him so where is the danger in him not being able to save the day? The Doomsday/Reign of Supermen storyline was the only interesting thing in the entire run of the comics and even that they deus ex machina'd the ending by making him none of the original 4 posers. There is zero depth to the Superman character and there is no reason he should be as popular as he is

Also, taking off your glasses is the dumbest/laziest disguise ever, and we are all dumber for accepting it as part of the premise


I agree, however if you want to watch a decent superman flick watch the animated one (all star superman, and of the batman & supermans and so on)
 
2012-12-11 03:35:46 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: The Doomsday/Reign of Supermen storyline was the only interesting thing in the entire run of the comics and even that they deus ex machina'd the ending by making him none of the original 4 posers. There is zero depth to the Superman character and there is no reason he should be as popular as he is


Wasn't he the 5th?

Weren't the 4 posers the eradicator, the clone, the cyborg and the iron worker?
 
2012-12-11 03:36:29 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Lee's_Austin: Darth_Lukecash: They really need to get away from the Donner films. The biggest failing of the last outing was it based in The Donner films while screwing up the characters.

Then you probably don't want to read this.

He used Donner as an influence in Batman Begins- telling a serious detailed origin story. It still was a Batman story.

But this is Nolan/Snyder version of the origin. It will be different-but still Superman


I cannot farking read lately.
 
2012-12-11 03:37:05 PM  

Desquamation: ModernPrimitive01: The Doomsday/Reign of Supermen storyline was the only interesting thing in the entire run of the comics and even that they deus ex machina'd the ending by making him none of the original 4 posers. There is zero depth to the Superman character and there is no reason he should be as popular as he is


Wasn't he the 5th?

Weren't the 4 posers the eradicator, the clone, the cyborg and the iron worker?


Oops... You said none, I read it as one.

/needs moar coffee.
 
2012-12-11 03:37:28 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: The right will be Fark talking about, at best, about how there isn't alot of chance this will be good. No fanboi gushlove here. Not after Superman Returns.


Setting "Returns" aside, you WANT to be excited for a movie. You WANT to say 'SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!"...and this doesn't do anything like that for me.

You would think that after the disaster that was "Returns" and the trailer for "Dark Knight Rises" that TPTB would give viewers a reason to give a damn about this movie.

Remember that Punisher clip that was all the rage? That's where the "Man of Steel" trailer should've been. The trailer for "Iron Man 3"? That's where "Man of Steel" should've been...and it's not.

That's disappointing.
 
2012-12-11 03:37:29 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: thornhill:

Superman must come from a doom planet of Krypton. Spider-Man must be bitten by a radioactive spider. Batman must have his parents killed and influence by Bat symbols.

Otherwise-you wouldn't be telling the story.


Iron man has to be kept alive by part of the suit.
Thor needs a hammer and family issues.
Being the Hulk is a curse.
Wonder Woman is not from around here.

Who could get the furthest from their comic roots? Flash? Can't really say what Barry Allen is all about. Maybe you could deviate from him and still have a good Flash movie.
 
2012-12-11 03:37:43 PM  
First Greenlight ever!
Happy dance!
 
2012-12-11 03:37:57 PM  

Der Poopflinger: Jim from Saint Paul: Coolkevin: Bf+: ShawnDoc: Left?

Really guys?

He's saying that the Youtube comments will be all: "I WANT TO SEE THIS FFS".

The right will be Fark talking about, at best, about how there isn't alot of chance this will be good. No fanboi gushlove here. Not after Superman Returns.

no here on fark you must hate everything everyone might like just to fit in


Oh I know. I was being polite.

Normally, I am so hipster against hipster farkers my middle name should be "Meta".
 
2012-12-11 03:38:30 PM  

PsyLord: Wayne 985: Aside from dark visuals, it looks good. Good effects, good acting, good story. I love superhero movies that question what it means to be a hero and have some depth to them.

Never was a huge fan of Superman, but this looks good. Curious to see more Zod, however.

Notsureifserious.jpg

I couldn't tell anything about the story, effects, acting just from that trailer. It looks pretty much like any big budget Hollywood CGI heavy action flick.


I may have worded that poorly. "Good story based on what little I've seen" might be more accurate. But frankly, yeah, I thought Clark "finding" himself and debating his father's views gave some insight into a part of the plot, and actors and visuals that I saw came off pretty well.
 
2012-12-11 03:39:26 PM  

SirLothar: First Greenlight ever!
Happy dance!


Congrats~! You had a better headline than what I submitted.
 
2012-12-11 03:41:06 PM  

T.rex: I was one of the first to proclaim Bryan Singer's version as crap on IMDB message boards, and was banned for it.


Banned for an opinion, on a movie ranking site?
You don't say.
 
2012-12-11 03:41:19 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: thornhill: Darth_Lukecash: voran: So...is this a reboot 'origin' story where people are encountering Superman for the 'first time'? And...is he fighting other kryptonians? :)

Every generation does their version of Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet, Tarzan, Sherlock Homes, King Arthur, Robin Hood, Superman and Batman.

Hell, Doctor Who reimagines itself with each incarnation and producers.

Except when people re-stage Shakespeare they completely reimagine the setting in order to try and gain new insight into the characters. With the comic book movies, the origin story remains mostly the same.

if you stage Romeo and Juliet with Juliet going off to college and Romeo opening a headship and marrying a girl name moonflower- it ceased to be Romeo and Juliet.

Superman must come from a doom planet of Krypton. Spider-Man must be bitten by a radioactive spider. Batman must have his parents killed and influence by Bat symbols.

Otherwise-you wouldn't be telling the story.


I guess you've never seen:

Westside Story
Ran
Throne of Blood
Forbidden Planet
Kiss Me Kate
 
2012-12-11 03:41:40 PM  

Lee's_Austin: ModernPrimitive01: Superman really is the lamest super hero. He is invincible except for this one kind of green rock that hurts him? Unless this movie involves kyrptonite, nothing can hurt him so where is the danger in him not being able to save the day? The Doomsday/Reign of Supermen storyline was the only interesting thing in the entire run of the comics and even that they deus ex machina'd the ending by making him none of the original 4 posers. There is zero depth to the Superman character and there is no reason he should be as popular as he is

Also, taking off your glasses is the dumbest/laziest disguise ever, and we are all dumber for accepting it as part of the premise

I'm going to need to rewatch the trailer, but I think this is the attempt they are making.


I see that they're trying to give him some dramatic moral choices, but the action sequences and his fight scenes will always be boring because you know there is no chance he can be hurt. Sure, he might get bloodied up a little, but never seriously injured. Think about Batman's encounters with Bane in the last Batman film. You really felt the danger Batman was in, in facing that opponent. Sure, you knew he was going to win the end but there was still a danger there. Superman is literally indestructible. The only way they can make the action sequences exciting will be to put those around him in peril. He might have to save Lois or his family but he'll never have to fight to save his own life
 
2012-12-11 03:43:06 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: A Zack Snyder movie and no freeze-shots in the trailer? There may be hope for this.

/Did like Watchmen, for the most part.


He said he's adopting a more photo-realistic style on Superman.
I've enjoyed almost all Snyders work.Sucker Punch was visually great and the story idea was Ambitious-but it did fall flat in the actual execution.
 
2012-12-11 03:43:09 PM  
In theaters June 14th.

Welp, best dig out the tent and head on down to the theater and wait in line for a ticket!

/derp
 
2012-12-11 03:44:51 PM  
Oh please, not another goddam origin story.
 
2012-12-11 03:45:10 PM  

Wayne 985: PsyLord: Wayne 985: Aside from dark visuals, it looks good. Good effects, good acting, good story. I love superhero movies that question what it means to be a hero and have some depth to them.

Never was a huge fan of Superman, but this looks good. Curious to see more Zod, however.

Notsureifserious.jpg

I couldn't tell anything about the story, effects, acting just from that trailer. It looks pretty much like any big budget Hollywood CGI heavy action flick.

I may have worded that poorly. "Good story based on what little I've seen" might be more accurate. But frankly, yeah, I thought Clark "finding" himself and debating his father's views gave some insight into a part of the plot, and actors and visuals that I saw came off pretty well.


I'm not against seeing another Superman movie. I'm just a bit sick of all the reboots. Instead of rebooting the series with another origin movie, make a stand alone movie. Sure, change the actor, costume, etc. You can still do that and not have to reboot.
 
2012-12-11 03:46:35 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Tyrone Slothrop: A Zack Snyder movie and no freeze-shots in the trailer? There may be hope for this.

/Did like Watchmen, for the most part.

He said he's adopting a more photo-realistic style on Superman.
I've enjoyed almost all Snyders work.Sucker Punch was visually great and the story idea was Ambitious-but it did fall flat in the actual execution.


I liked the visuals but the story was just shiat.
 
2012-12-11 03:46:39 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: Lee's_Austin: ModernPrimitive01: Superman really is the lamest super hero. He is invincible except for this one kind of green rock that hurts him? Unless this movie involves kyrptonite, nothing can hurt him so where is the danger in him not being able to save the day? The Doomsday/Reign of Supermen storyline was the only interesting thing in the entire run of the comics and even that they deus ex machina'd the ending by making him none of the original 4 posers. There is zero depth to the Superman character and there is no reason he should be as popular as he is

Also, taking off your glasses is the dumbest/laziest disguise ever, and we are all dumber for accepting it as part of the premise

I'm going to need to rewatch the trailer, but I think this is the attempt they are making.

I see that they're trying to give him some dramatic moral choices, but the action sequences and his fight scenes will always be boring because you know there is no chance he can be hurt. Sure, he might get bloodied up a little, but never seriously injured. Think about Batman's encounters with Bane in the last Batman film. You really felt the danger Batman was in, in facing that opponent. Sure, you knew he was going to win the end but there was still a danger there. Superman is literally indestructible. The only way they can make the action sequences exciting will be to put those around him in peril. He might have to save Lois or his family but he'll never have to fight to save his own life


If I am reading this correctly, and my comprehension has been shiate lately, I see where you are coming from. Never thought about it that way. Are you interested in the introspective Who Am I stuff that they appear to be attempting to give the character some depth? Not a trap, genuinely interested.
 
2012-12-11 03:47:08 PM  

LeroyBourne: I was really hoping they'd go back into editing and get rid of those chem trails. Breaking the sound barrier is fine, I get it, he's going really fast, but the chem trails are really dumb.


Tinfoil-like typing detected.

Unfortunately, aviation meteorology disagrees with you.
 
2012-12-11 03:48:04 PM  

Der Poopflinger: On a side note
my kids loved the superman returns
are bored to death if you put any of the originals in

it's like they're writing movies for a certain audience or something


Your kids have shiatty taste.

Same with mine as they only like Episodes 1-3 of Star Wars.

Maybe they could have a playdate. Watching something super awful like all the Ice Age sequels.
 
2012-12-11 03:49:15 PM  

Der Poopflinger: On a side note
my kids loved the superman returns
are bored to death if you put any of the originals in

it's like they're writing movies for a certain audience or something


Too bad that audience needs a parent or guardian to accompany them.
 
2012-12-11 03:50:49 PM  

Lee's_Austin: ModernPrimitive01: Lee's_Austin: ModernPrimitive01: Superman really is the lamest super hero. He is invincible except for this one kind of green rock that hurts him? Unless this movie involves kyrptonite, nothing can hurt him so where is the danger in him not being able to save the day? The Doomsday/Reign of Supermen storyline was the only interesting thing in the entire run of the comics and even that they deus ex machina'd the ending by making him none of the original 4 posers. There is zero depth to the Superman character and there is no reason he should be as popular as he is

Also, taking off your glasses is the dumbest/laziest disguise ever, and we are all dumber for accepting it as part of the premise

I'm going to need to rewatch the trailer, but I think this is the attempt they are making.

I see that they're trying to give him some dramatic moral choices, but the action sequences and his fight scenes will always be boring because you know there is no chance he can be hurt. Sure, he might get bloodied up a little, but never seriously injured. Think about Batman's encounters with Bane in the last Batman film. You really felt the danger Batman was in, in facing that opponent. Sure, you knew he was going to win the end but there was still a danger there. Superman is literally indestructible. The only way they can make the action sequences exciting will be to put those around him in peril. He might have to save Lois or his family but he'll never have to fight to save his own life

If I am reading this correctly, and my comprehension has been shiate lately, I see where you are coming from. Never thought about it that way. Are you interested in the introspective Who Am I stuff that they appear to be attempting to give the character some depth? Not a trap, genuinely interested.


I think that will give the character more depth than previous attempts. The moral choices around what to do with the power you have will make it interesting, but in the end, I see Superman as an action movie so a bit of moral ambiguity probably won't be enough to get me into the theater. I'll probably end up Red Boxing it
 
2012-12-11 03:51:06 PM  

PsyLord: I'm not against seeing another Superman movie. I'm just a bit sick of all the reboots. Instead of rebooting the series with another origin movie, make a stand alone movie. Sure, change the actor, costume, etc. You can still do that and not have to reboot.


eh, they tried that with returns and it didn't really work. Maybe the answer to superman is to create a new world for superman to live in. the original world of superman has gotten pretty dated by modern standards.
 
2012-12-11 03:51:20 PM  

Rwa2play: Jim from Saint Paul: The right will be Fark talking about, at best, about how there isn't alot of chance this will be good. No fanboi gushlove here. Not after Superman Returns.

Setting "Returns" aside, you WANT to be excited for a movie. You WANT to say 'SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!"...and this doesn't do anything like that for me.

You would think that after the disaster that was "Returns" and the trailer for "Dark Knight Rises" that TPTB would give viewers a reason to give a damn about this movie.

Remember that Punisher clip that was all the rage? That's where the "Man of Steel" trailer should've been. The trailer for "Iron Man 3"? That's where "Man of Steel" should've been...and it's not.

That's disappointing.


Please re-read what you quoted. I, in no way, was juding anyone. I was saying that Fark would not, as a whole, think the trailer was great. I was also suggesting that Youtube commentors would love it.
 
2012-12-11 03:52:50 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Darth_Lukecash: I actually found that intriguing. Pa Kent was worried about Clark's abilities making him an outcast. This sounds like an actual conversation that Father who has an all powerful son may actually have. There may be no easy answer.

Pa Kent was always the rock that Clark Kent was built off of. That's what made Smallville interesting. He was there just long enough to get Clark started in the right direction. A few times they played with the idea of Clark being raised by someone other than the Kents and just how bad that would be.

No matter how messed up Clark got his father's teaching would bring him back around. In tv, comics, or movies. Pa Kent was the backbone

And yes Pa Kent was Clark's father.


It's going to be about context. Pa may be trying to teach something bigger idea: like needing to protect your identity...or doing it in a way not to scare the shiat out of people.
 
2012-12-11 03:53:59 PM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: Oh please, not another goddam origin story.


Especially for Superman, the one hero whose origin is so ingrained in our collective consciousness that All-Star Superman can do it in 4 panels and 8 words.
 
2012-12-11 03:54:00 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Rwa2play: Jim from Saint Paul: The right will be Fark talking about, at best, about how there isn't alot of chance this will be good. No fanboi gushlove here. Not after Superman Returns.

Setting "Returns" aside, you WANT to be excited for a movie. You WANT to say 'SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!"...and this doesn't do anything like that for me.

You would think that after the disaster that was "Returns" and the trailer for "Dark Knight Rises" that TPTB would give viewers a reason to give a damn about this movie.

Remember that Punisher clip that was all the rage? That's where the "Man of Steel" trailer should've been. The trailer for "Iron Man 3"? That's where "Man of Steel" should've been...and it's not.

That's disappointing.

Please re-read what you quoted. I, in no way, was juding anyone. I was saying that Fark would not, as a whole, think the trailer was great. I was also suggesting that Youtube commentors would love it.


Sorry about that; I was only trimming it down and thought I would say more. My bad.
 
2012-12-11 03:54:28 PM  
I'm kind of ambivalent on the trailers thus far. They don't turn me off of seeing it, but I'm not excited either. Still can't be much worse than the last one.
 
2012-12-11 03:55:21 PM  
Maybe they can get Heath Ledger to play Lex Luthor in the sequel and turn it into the biggest superhero movie franchise ever. And then we can get a rather choppy 3rd chapter to hastily wrap things up but we'll still love it since we're still riding off of the high of the 2nd movie.
 
2012-12-11 03:57:01 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: Lee's_Austin: ModernPrimitive01: Lee's_Austin: ModernPrimitive01: Superman really is the lamest super hero. He is invincible except for this one kind of green rock that hurts him? Unless this movie involves kyrptonite, nothing can hurt him so where is the danger in him not being able to save the day? The Doomsday/Reign of Supermen storyline was the only interesting thing in the entire run of the comics and even that they deus ex machina'd the ending by making him none of the original 4 posers. There is zero depth to the Superman character and there is no reason he should be as popular as he is

Also, taking off your glasses is the dumbest/laziest disguise ever, and we are all dumber for accepting it as part of the premise

I'm going to need to rewatch the trailer, but I think this is the attempt they are making.

I see that they're trying to give him some dramatic moral choices, but the action sequences and his fight scenes will always be boring because you know there is no chance he can be hurt. Sure, he might get bloodied up a little, but never seriously injured. Think about Batman's encounters with Bane in the last Batman film. You really felt the danger Batman was in, in facing that opponent. Sure, you knew he was going to win the end but there was still a danger there. Superman is literally indestructible. The only way they can make the action sequences exciting will be to put those around him in peril. He might have to save Lois or his family but he'll never have to fight to save his own life

If I am reading this correctly, and my comprehension has been shiate lately, I see where you are coming from. Never thought about it that way. Are you interested in the introspective Who Am I stuff that they appear to be attempting to give the character some depth? Not a trap, genuinely interested.

I think that will give the character more depth than previous attempts. The moral choices around what to do with the power you have will make it interesting, but in the en ...


Right on. I won't be there opening night, but Superman is something I, personally, have to see on the big screen. Cheers!
 
2012-12-11 03:58:20 PM  

Rwa2play: Jim from Saint Paul: Rwa2play: Jim from Saint Paul: The right will be Fark talking about, at best, about how there isn't alot of chance this will be good. No fanboi gushlove here. Not after Superman Returns.

Setting "Returns" aside, you WANT to be excited for a movie. You WANT to say 'SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!"...and this doesn't do anything like that for me.

You would think that after the disaster that was "Returns" and the trailer for "Dark Knight Rises" that TPTB would give viewers a reason to give a damn about this movie.

Remember that Punisher clip that was all the rage? That's where the "Man of Steel" trailer should've been. The trailer for "Iron Man 3"? That's where "Man of Steel" should've been...and it's not.

That's disappointing.

Please re-read what you quoted. I, in no way, was juding anyone. I was saying that Fark would not, as a whole, think the trailer was great. I was also suggesting that Youtube commentors would love it.

Sorry about that; I was only trimming it down and thought I would say more. My bad.


S'all good.

Personally, looks like it could be good. It's got producers/directors I have consistently enjoyed over the last 5 to 10 years attached and it has Amy Adams. Was I wow'ed? No. Not enough to go see it in theaters. Definetly gonna RedBox it.

/I'll get back you on Start Trek as well once they give us a longer trailer on that too
 
2012-12-11 04:00:49 PM  

thornhill: Darth_Lukecash: thornhill: Darth_Lukecash: voran: So...is this a reboot 'origin' story where people are encountering Superman for the 'first time'? And...is he fighting other kryptonians? :)

Every generation does their version of Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet, Tarzan, Sherlock Homes, King Arthur, Robin Hood, Superman and Batman.

Hell, Doctor Who reimagines itself with each incarnation and producers.

Except when people re-stage Shakespeare they completely reimagine the setting in order to try and gain new insight into the characters. With the comic book movies, the origin story remains mostly the same.

if you stage Romeo and Juliet with Juliet going off to college and Romeo opening a headship and marrying a girl name moonflower- it ceased to be Romeo and Juliet.

Superman must come from a doom planet of Krypton. Spider-Man must be bitten by a radioactive spider. Batman must have his parents killed and influence by Bat symbols.

Otherwise-you wouldn't be telling the story.

I guess you've never seen:

Westside Story
Ran
Throne of Blood
Forbidden Planet
Kiss Me Kate


I have...and the interpretation differed- but the story largely remain the same.
 
2012-12-11 04:05:23 PM  
I'm pretty sure I caught a second or two of Michael Shannon. If so, count me in for two adult tickets.
 
2012-12-11 04:09:45 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: DarkPascual: At the very least it picked peeked my curiosity.

pit poove.


Oopss... sorry... English is not my first language...
 
2012-12-11 04:10:54 PM  

Lord Dimwit: The Stealth Hippopotamus: When asked if Clark should have let a bus full of kids die Pa Kent doesnt say "maybe".

Yeah, that weirded me out. Pa Kent has changed a lot over the years, but he's never been...amoral.


You guys are reading way too much into that. 1. He doesn't say "yes." and 2. He does say "maybe" but doesn't seem too happy or sure about the bit of advice. He just doesn't have anything better to say or know how to properly advise his adopted alien son, you know, the one with superhuman strength.
 
2012-12-11 04:11:04 PM  

PsyLord: Darth_Lukecash: Tyrone Slothrop: A Zack Snyder movie and no freeze-shots in the trailer? There may be hope for this.

/Did like Watchmen, for the most part.

He said he's adopting a more photo-realistic style on Superman.
I've enjoyed almost all Snyders work.Sucker Punch was visually great and the story idea was Ambitious-but it did fall flat in the actual execution.

I liked the visuals but the story was just shiat.


Well, the main problem was the resolution: you can't do a girl power movie and having the end of the film with the girl lobotomized and lost in her own dreamland. Sure she won a high concept victory of not being broken mentally and bringing down the asylum - but with the movies emphasis on kicking ass- she needed a "real" win.
 
2012-12-11 04:12:42 PM  
I hope that the people who say the trailer was "meh" will not biatch when the next trailer is more exciting but gives up too much of the plot.
 
2012-12-11 04:12:42 PM  

soupbone: I'm pretty sure I caught a second or two of Michael Shannon. If so, count me in for two adult tickets.


he plays the bad guy

Darth_Lukecash: Well, the main problem was the resolution: you can't do a girl power movie and having the end of the film with the girl lobotomized and lost in her own dreamland. Sure she won a high concept victory of not being broken mentally and bringing down the asylum - but with the movies emphasis on kicking ass- she needed a "real" win.


also it was near impossible to give a crap about any of the characters because they were less than 1 dimension.
 
2012-12-11 04:16:00 PM  
[rant]

I like Superman, and I genuinely hope this movie is good. But I think it's not going to be great.

The one aspect of Superman they always fail to dramatize is that, on top of all his powers, he's supposed to be a genius. A lot of the Golden Age comics had Superman working with scientists and engineers to make the world a better place. I know the purpose of these movies is to get Superman from point A to smashing the f*ck out of a foe that is as powerful as he is, but in the meantime, can we please see him doing something smart?

Ditch the whole "secret identity" angle, call him by his name, and have him irrigating deserts, building space elevators, curing cancer, or whatever. And instead of his "small acts of kindness" being stupid sh*t like rescuing kittens from trees or foiling museum robberies, maybe he could take a weekend afternoon to disarm North Korea and liberate the starving people there. Maybe give a few terrorist groups a visit to the moon.

Seems there's a lot more fertile, big-idea ground to cover with Superman than has been put into the movies. (Okay, he did de-nuke the planet in one movie, but that film was such garbage it barely warrants mention.) The books that have questioned his power and influence have been the best. We need to see Superman put into a serious moral conflict, instead of being written into Boy Scout vs. Mustachioed Train Tracks Bandit stories where his only inner conflict is "I must assume secret identity to protect the ones I love" ...

Part of what made Nolan's Batman trilogy so good is that he explored big ideas. There's heavy subtext to those films, which gets hotly debated among fans. Pick a scene, and there's far more going on than the face-value action. I hope this aspect of Nolan has rubbed off on Snyder more than just making a "realistic superhero movie".

[/rant]
 
2012-12-11 04:16:28 PM  

LiQuid!: PsyLord: Enough with the reboots. Jebus...

You're right, they should bring Christopher Reeves back and just continue from the originals.


be careful what you wish for.

i1207.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-11 04:18:42 PM  

Son of Thunder: The Stealth Hippopotamus: When asked if Clark should have let a bus full of kids die Pa Kent doesnt say "maybe".

Agreed.


that may have some missing context the trailer editor missed. at least I hope so. not going to judge dialogue like that just yet. but I agree that it's totally out of character if left like that.
If I had to try to rationalize it I'd say that maybe Pa Kent realized that his son's power and destiny was so great that exposing him to the govt and other powers that be at that age would be worse than a few kid's lives. they could turn him into a weapon. or worse kill him.
 
2012-12-11 04:21:25 PM  

Decillion: I'm sorry, I asked for a Superman movie. This is what I get? Nowhere in this trailer do I see Real Estate mentioned.


Ok that's friggin hilarious.
 
2012-12-11 04:26:07 PM  

cscanlon7: Maybe they can get Heath Ledger to play Lex Luthor in the sequel and turn it into the biggest superhero movie franchise ever. And then we can get a rather choppy 3rd chapter to hastily wrap things up but we'll still love it since we're still riding off of the high of the 2nd movie.


does someone need a hug?
 
2012-12-11 04:27:10 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: Superman really is the lamest super hero. He is invincible except for this one kind of green rock that hurts him? Unless this movie involves kyrptonite, nothing can hurt him so where is the danger in him not being able to save the day?


Someone just as powerful as him showing up. Hence Zod and some other Kryptonian henchmen.

And as far as Pa Kent's "maybe" it was clear that was the start of a sentence, not his entire answer.
 
2012-12-11 04:27:52 PM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: Oh please, not another goddam origin story.


the last time the Superman origin story was done on the big screen was 1978 wasn't it?
 
2012-12-11 04:28:49 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: PsyLord: Darth_Lukecash: Tyrone Slothrop: A Zack Snyder movie and no freeze-shots in the trailer? There may be hope for this.

/Did like Watchmen, for the most part.

He said he's adopting a more photo-realistic style on Superman.
I've enjoyed almost all Snyders work.Sucker Punch was visually great and the story idea was Ambitious-but it did fall flat in the actual execution.

I liked the visuals but the story was just shiat.

Well, the main problem was the resolution: you can't do a girl power movie and having the end of the film with the girl lobotomized and lost in her own dreamland. Sure she won a high concept victory of not being broken mentally and bringing down the asylum - but with the movies emphasis on kicking ass- she needed a "real" win.


I've read that Sucker Punch was about the various waves of feminism: each girl representing one. Baby Doll was the kind of newer 'stripping makes me empowered' kind of feminism. The movie dooms all of the girls because it thinks all previous flavors of feminism were doomed. The only girl to escape was the only girl to appear much more grown up than the rest, and she rejected everyone else's brand of feminism. I thought this was a good reading of the movie, but I still agree that the movie fell flat in some places and was still overall good.

citations (two parts of a video, ten-ish minutes total):
Link
Link
 
2012-12-11 04:29:04 PM  

Digitalstrange: ModernPrimitive01: Superman really is the lamest super hero. He is invincible except for this one kind of green rock that hurts him? Unless this movie involves kyrptonite, nothing can hurt him so where is the danger in him not being able to save the day?

Someone just as powerful as him showing up. Hence Zod and some other Kryptonian henchmen.

And as far as Pa Kent's "maybe" it was clear that was the start of a sentence, not his entire answer.


his biggest weakness is his compassion for others.
 
2012-12-11 04:30:05 PM  
I still think Superman is basically un-filmable (and somewhat un-writable as well). This movie looks like it's going to try the "gritty" xenophobia card, but then it brings Superman too low.
 
2012-12-11 04:31:01 PM  

puckrock2000: Yet another origin story? Is there anyone left who still doesn't know the origin of Superman?


I dunno if you'd heard but new kids are born every day, and some of them are introduced to Superman through movies. I'm sick of reboots too but everyday someone new learns the origins of Superman.
 
2012-12-11 04:31:09 PM  

thornhill: Oh I get it, Superman is a Christ character. I never connected those dots before.


Hold up a second, there! In what sense is Supes a Christ figure?

I know that's how Singer decided to imagine him, but I don't see that in the canon character.

Okay, I guess he came back to life after the whole Doomsday thing (and what comic hero can't say that they've been through Death's revolving door), but he didn't die to redeem us of our sins or any of that other crap.

Given that Siegel and Shuster were Jewish, I'm going along with those who would say that he's more likely to be a Moses figure, if anything.
 
2012-12-11 04:32:09 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: thornhill: Darth_Lukecash: thornhill: Darth_Lukecash: voran: So...is this a reboot 'origin' story where people are encountering Superman for the 'first time'? And...is he fighting other kryptonians? :)

Every generation does their version of Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet, Tarzan, Sherlock Homes, King Arthur, Robin Hood, Superman and Batman.

Hell, Doctor Who reimagines itself with each incarnation and producers.

Except when people re-stage Shakespeare they completely reimagine the setting in order to try and gain new insight into the characters. With the comic book movies, the origin story remains mostly the same.

if you stage Romeo and Juliet with Juliet going off to college and Romeo opening a headship and marrying a girl name moonflower- it ceased to be Romeo and Juliet.

Superman must come from a doom planet of Krypton. Spider-Man must be bitten by a radioactive spider. Batman must have his parents killed and influence by Bat symbols.

Otherwise-you wouldn't be telling the story.

I guess you've never seen:

Westside Story
Ran
Throne of Blood
Forbidden Planet
Kiss Me Kate

I have...and the interpretation differed- but the story largely remain the same.


What about the song? Does it remain the same?
 
2012-12-11 04:33:55 PM  
Was that Amy Adams? I approve.
 
2012-12-11 04:38:48 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: Given that Siegel and Shuster were Jewish, I'm going along with those who would say that he's more likely to be a Moses figure, if anything.


Also, his name means "Voice of God" in Hebrew. And he was set adrift among the starts like Moses was set adrift in the basket on the Nile...
 
2012-12-11 04:39:43 PM  

Hobodeluxe: Summer Glau's Love Slave: Oh please, not another goddam origin story.

the last time the Superman origin story was done on the big screen was 1978 wasn't it?


I think he means it's prerequisite for a superhero movie
 
2012-12-11 04:49:08 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Sucker Punch was visually great and the story idea was Ambitious-but it did fall flat in the actual execution.


Sucker Punch was the best music video and the worst movie I have seen in decades.
 
2012-12-11 04:57:56 PM  

Rwa2play: "The Avengers": WANT
"The Dark Knight Rises": WANT
"Iron Man 3": WANT
"Man of Steel": meh.

That's not exactly hopeful AFAIC; if I couldn't get up for the trailer with just the scenes...there's not much hope for this movie I'm afraid. I could be wrong as I was on "The Amazing Spider-Man".


Wait, wait wait.... wait...
You're saying that:
-Iron Man 3, with it's tired beyond tired plot is WANT
-and you were WRONG in that after viewing, you think the new Spider-Man was actually good??

I may just facepalm myself into the last century.
 
2012-12-11 05:02:10 PM  
I saw the trailer for Iron Man 3. I sprained my face yawning.
 
2012-12-11 05:02:10 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: thornhill: Oh I get it, Superman is a Christ character. I never connected those dots before.

Hold up a second, there! In what sense is Supes a Christ figure?

I know that's how Singer decided to imagine him, but I don't see that in the canon character.

Okay, I guess he came back to life after the whole Doomsday thing (and what comic hero can't say that they've been through Death's revolving door), but he didn't die to redeem us of our sins or any of that other crap.

Given that Siegel and Shuster were Jewish, I'm going along with those who would say that he's more likely to be a Moses figure, if anything.


Perhaps it might help you to understand that the Jews believe in redemption from the son of God too, they just don't believe Jesus was him. Christians believe Christ is coming back. Jews don't think he's shown up yet.
 
2012-12-11 05:08:58 PM  
at first I was like:

www.geekzenith.com

but then I was like:

farm5.staticflickr.com
 
2012-12-11 05:12:44 PM  

sure haven't: Rwa2play: "The Avengers": WANT
"The Dark Knight Rises": WANT
"Iron Man 3": WANT
"Man of Steel": meh.

That's not exactly hopeful AFAIC; if I couldn't get up for the trailer with just the scenes...there's not much hope for this movie I'm afraid. I could be wrong as I was on "The Amazing Spider-Man".

Wait, wait wait.... wait...
You're saying that:
-Iron Man 3, with it's tired beyond tired plot is WANT
-and you were WRONG in that after viewing, you think the new Spider-Man was actually good??

I may just facepalm myself into the last century.


Oh look, an alt that awakened...PLONK~!
 
2012-12-11 05:15:48 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: thornhill: Oh I get it, Superman is a Christ character. I never connected those dots before.

Hold up a second, there! In what sense is Supes a Christ figure?

I know that's how Singer decided to imagine him, but I don't see that in the canon character.

Okay, I guess he came back to life after the whole Doomsday thing (and what comic hero can't say that they've been through Death's revolving door), but he didn't die to redeem us of our sins or any of that other crap.

Given that Siegel and Shuster were Jewish, I'm going along with those who would say that he's more likely to be a Moses figure, if anything.


He's sent to earth to save us all and comes close to dying for us.
 
2012-12-11 05:19:22 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: Superman really is the lamest super hero. He is invincible except for this one kind of green rock that hurts him? Unless this movie involves kyrptonite, nothing can hurt him so where is the danger in him not being able to save the day? The Doomsday/Reign of Supermen storyline was the only interesting thing in the entire run of the comics and even that they deus ex machina'd the ending by making him none of the original 4 posers. There is zero depth to the Superman character and there is no reason he should be as popular as he is

Also, taking off your glasses is the dumbest/laziest disguise ever, and we are all dumber for accepting it as part of the premise


2/10. Not enough misspelling, but just the right amount of WHARGARBL to get you some bites.
 
2012-12-11 05:27:48 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: DarkPascual: At the very least it picked peeked peaked my curiosity.

pit poove.


pot pave
 
2012-12-11 05:28:13 PM  
I don't need a reboot of Superman. I know his back story. Is this just a money grab or do theaters think it's the only way the public will "accept" a new actor, direction style, or repeat of a villain with a different plot?
 
2012-12-11 05:29:29 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: PsyLord: Darth_Lukecash: Tyrone Slothrop: A Zack Snyder movie and no freeze-shots in the trailer? There may be hope for this.

/Did like Watchmen, for the most part.

He said he's adopting a more photo-realistic style on Superman.
I've enjoyed almost all Snyders work.Sucker Punch was visually great and the story idea was Ambitious-but it did fall flat in the actual execution.

I liked the visuals but the story was just shiat.

Well, the main problem was the resolution: you can't do a girl power movie and having the end of the film with the girl lobotomized and lost in her own dreamland. Sure she won a high concept victory of not being broken mentally and bringing down the asylum - but with the movies emphasis on kicking ass- she needed a "real" win.


The story can be a tragedy and it worked fine as that. The problem wasn't the concept but the execution; it was far far too disjointed. You go from tension and drama to -- with literally a blink of an eye -- senses-saturating action sequences that make no sense. I understand the metaphor being painted, but the colors blended terribly.

The type of mood that is being set by a cognitive what's-real-and-what-isn't plot just doesn't blend with entirely unrelated intense-shoot-em-up sequences.
 
2012-12-11 05:30:17 PM  
I was informed by my GF that Henry Cavill was a "gimme" for her. That, should the opportunity arise for her to actually get her talons into that man's hide, I had to step back and say nothing.

farking hell, he's a good looking man, how could I say no? shiat, he's almost enough to make ME switch teams. 

web.mit.edu
 
2012-12-11 05:31:42 PM  

Gig103: I don't need a reboot of Superman. I know his back story. Is this just a money grab or do theaters think it's the only way the public will "accept" a new actor, direction style, or repeat of a villain with a different plot?


well, seeing as how they tried a new actor, direction style and a repeat of a villian and it failed, it appears that the answer is yes....
 
2012-12-11 05:33:47 PM  

Fano: Summer Glau's Love Slave: Oh please, not another goddam origin story.

Especially for Superman, the one hero whose origin is so ingrained in our collective consciousness that All-Star Superman can do it in 4 panels and 8 words.


Think about it though: the last time we had a Superman origin story on the big screen was 1979. I don't think we need one, but if it's done well, I'll enjoy it.

Batman Begins fleshed out that character's background and origin in a remarkable way, so I'm hoping this will too.
 
2012-12-11 05:33:53 PM  
Its totally possible that 2 seconds after Pa Kent sayes "maybe" he follows up with "no, of course not ... it just " and the trailer just cut it out.
 
2012-12-11 05:37:55 PM  
Someone on io9 said that the 'maybe' sounds like it's part of another sentence.
 
2012-12-11 05:38:16 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: DarkPascual: At the very least it picked peeked piquedmy curiosity.

pit poove.


Pot pie
 
2012-12-11 05:46:54 PM  

Pronoun: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: DarkPascual: At the very least it picked peeked piquedmy curiosity.

pit poove.

Pot pie


Peter Parker
 
2012-12-11 05:47:43 PM  

texdent: Pronoun: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: DarkPascual: At the very least it picked peeked piquedmy curiosity.

pit poove.

Pot pie

Peter Parker


Pol Pot
 
2012-12-11 05:50:14 PM  
How does Kevin Costner keep getting work?
 
2012-12-11 05:51:58 PM  

BalugaJoe: How does Kevin Costner keep getting work?


Would you rather Pa Kent be Nicholas Cage?
 
2012-12-11 05:52:03 PM  

BalugaJoe: How does Kevin Costner keep getting work?


I happen to like some of the movies he's directed. I especially enjoyed Wyatt Earp.
 
2012-12-11 05:54:53 PM  
Nina_Hartley's_Ass

peeked?

Not peaked?

NO the correct form if PIQUED

It Piqued my interest, it piqued my curiosity.

*sigh*
 
HBK
2012-12-11 05:55:23 PM  
Is dumpy Pam from the Office Lois Lane? Lois Lane is supposed to be much hotter than some plain looking girl.
 
2012-12-11 05:56:49 PM  

HBK: Is dumpy Pam from the Office Lois Lane? Lois Lane is supposed to be much hotter than some plain looking girl.


That's Amy Adams. How dare you!
 
2012-12-11 06:03:27 PM  

tlchwi02: soupbone: I'm pretty sure I caught a second or two of Michael Shannon. If so, count me in for two adult tickets.

he plays the bad guy

Darth_Lukecash: Well, the main problem was the resolution: you can't do a girl power movie and having the end of the film with the girl lobotomized and lost in her own dreamland. Sure she won a high concept victory of not being broken mentally and bringing down the asylum - but with the movies emphasis on kicking ass- she needed a "real" win.

also it was near impossible to give a crap about any of the characters because they were less than 1 dimension.


So damn, Michael Shannon as General Zod? Definitely count me in. And it looks like his suit is similar to Superman's suit suggesting that it's of Kryptonian origin? And Amy Adams = Damn! Shut up and take my money.

www.aceshowbiz.com
 
2012-12-11 06:06:45 PM  
I'll bet the kid that lifts the bus out of the water grows up to be Superman.
 
2012-12-11 06:11:25 PM  

Wayne 985: Fano: Summer Glau's Love Slave: Oh please, not another goddam origin story.

Especially for Superman, the one hero whose origin is so ingrained in our collective consciousness that All-Star Superman can do it in 4 panels and 8 words.

Think about it though: the last time we had a Superman origin story on the big screen was 1979. I don't think we need one, but if it's done well, I'll enjoy it.

Batman Begins fleshed out that character's background and origin in a remarkable way, so I'm hoping this will too.


If they do it well, I won't mind. Still, I don't want there to be a majority of the movie that he isn't Superman, which is part of the trouble of origin stories. And even though we haven't had it on the big screen, we had years of his origin on Smallville.
 
2012-12-11 06:14:30 PM  
Looks good. I'm for it.
 
2012-12-11 06:19:16 PM  

Pronoun: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: DarkPascual: At the very least it picked peeked piquedmy curiosity.

pit poove.

Pot pie


2nd time I've used this one today:

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-11 06:34:13 PM  
So the villain has spaceships and at some point Superman is led away in chains. I'm guessing this means Darkseid or possibly Brainiac.

This gives me hope that we'll see a world of cardboard scene.
 
2012-12-11 06:38:13 PM  

Stile4aly: So the villain has spaceships and at some point Superman is led away in chains. I'm guessing this means Darkseid or possibly Brainiac.

This gives me hope that we'll see a world of cardboard scene.


I never watched Superman: The Animated Series or Justice League, largely because I never had access to the CW. I still regret that.
 
2012-12-11 06:48:10 PM  

Wayne 985: Stile4aly: So the villain has spaceships and at some point Superman is led away in chains. I'm guessing this means Darkseid or possibly Brainiac.

This gives me hope that we'll see a world of cardboard scene.

I never watched Superman: The Animated Series or Justice League, largely because I never had access to the CW. I still regret that.


Spoiler, the conclusion of that scene is Superman GETTING HIS ASS KICKED.

The DCAU did a GREAT job of distilling characters down to their core. S:TAS and JLU did a great job of making Superman a relevant and interesting character. "For the Man Who Has Everything," was modified and done well. "Clash" has an earthshattering fight between Captain Marvel and Superman that would make for awesome live action.
 
2012-12-11 06:48:27 PM  

Stile4aly: So the villain has spaceships and at some point Superman is led away in chains. I'm guessing this means Darkseid or possibly Brainiac.

This gives me hope that we'll see a world of cardboard scene.


Where would General Zod fit into all of this? My Superman knowledge is very low on the scale.
 
2012-12-11 06:59:45 PM  
Superman is a hard character for me to get into. Thinking about him always leads me back to the idea that I would be nothing like Supes if I had those powers. Truth, justice, blah blah blah, no. I'm the invincible god here, I'm gonna do what I want with this world. I'm not a dick, I'll help solve problems, and I'm not gonna get bored and start wrecking China for laughs, but the secret identity stuff goes out the window the second that I'm confident no earthly military can kill me.
 
2012-12-11 07:06:48 PM  

RexTalionis: BalugaJoe: How does Kevin Costner keep getting work?

I happen to like some of the movies he's directed. I especially enjoyed Wyatt Earp.


Tin Cup

he and Cheech were funny as Hell.
 
2012-12-11 07:09:32 PM  

LucklessWonder: the operatic/choral music just made me miss John Williams theme for Superman


Hey, it's Hans Zimmer. Just be glad there was no BRRRRRRRAAAAAWWWWRWRRRMRMRMMRMRMMMMM!!!
 
2012-12-11 07:12:27 PM  
No hate for the fact that Supes is being played by a BRIT?!?
 
2012-12-11 07:13:08 PM  

Mentalpatient87: Superman is a hard character for me to get into. Thinking about him always leads me back to the idea that I would be nothing like Supes if I had those powers. Truth, justice, blah blah blah, no. I'm the invincible god here, I'm gonna do what I want with this world. I'm not a dick, I'll help solve problems, and I'm not gonna get bored and start wrecking China for laughs, but the secret identity stuff goes out the window the second that I'm confident no earthly military can kill me.


IIRC, the original intent of the secret identity -- not just for Superman, but almost all superheroes -- is to protect their loved ones. After you've pissed enough governments and powerful organizations off -- and they realize they can't really come after you specifically -- they might go after daddy and mama Kent.
 
2012-12-11 07:13:38 PM  
I have such a movie boner right now.
 
2012-12-11 07:14:49 PM  

Mentalpatient87: Superman is a hard character for me to get into. Thinking about him always leads me back to the idea that I would be nothing like Supes if I had those powers. Truth, justice, blah blah blah, no. I'm the invincible god here, I'm gonna do what I want with this world. I'm not a dick, I'll help solve problems, and I'm not gonna get bored and start wrecking China for laughs, but the secret identity stuff goes out the window the second that I'm confident no earthly military can kill me.


There's a lot to ponder having such immense power. Do you simply stand by and let humanity find it's own path? Do you attempt to create a Utopian global society? Do you favor one nation over others?
 
2012-12-11 07:15:58 PM  

imgod2u: Mentalpatient87: Superman is a hard character for me to get into. Thinking about him always leads me back to the idea that I would be nothing like Supes if I had those powers. Truth, justice, blah blah blah, no. I'm the invincible god here, I'm gonna do what I want with this world. I'm not a dick, I'll help solve problems, and I'm not gonna get bored and start wrecking China for laughs, but the secret identity stuff goes out the window the second that I'm confident no earthly military can kill me.

IIRC, the original intent of the secret identity -- not just for Superman, but almost all superheroes -- is to protect their loved ones. After you've pissed enough governments and powerful organizations off -- and they realize they can't really come after you specifically -- they might go after daddy and mama Kent.


Bingo. Not to be too big a geek, but TDKR had a good scene about this.

"I'm not afraid to be seen standing up to these guys."
"The mask is not for you. It's to protect the people you care about."
 
2012-12-11 07:17:41 PM  
I'd like to see the equivalent of something like this at some point during the movie.

media.comicvine.com
 
2012-12-11 07:19:27 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: Pronoun: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: DarkPascual: At the very least it picked peeked piquedmy curiosity.

pit poove.

Pot pie

2nd time I've used this one today:

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x375]


Recipe please.
 
2012-12-11 07:22:58 PM  

thornhill: Oh I get it, Superman is a Christ character. I never connected those dots before.


You're a regular Joseph Campbell.

I'm much more excited about this now than I was after the first trailer. Hopefully, Snyder will lay off the slow-mo cam.
 
2012-12-11 07:24:12 PM  

un4gvn666: LeroyBourne: I was really hoping they'd go back into editing and get rid of those chem trails. Breaking the sound barrier is fine, I get it, he's going really fast, but the chem trails are really dumb.

Tinfoil-like typing detected.

Unfortunately, aviation meteorology disagrees with you.


Thanks for that.
Finally removes tinfoil hat*
/feels good, man
 
2012-12-11 07:25:02 PM  
I get the "protect Ma and Pa Kent" thing, too. My solution is to squirrel the loved ones away, probably pretty extreme in terms of how far. Also, make it a point to get the message across that killing my loved ones isn't going to stop me from butt-farking your soul.
 
2012-12-11 07:26:17 PM  

LucklessWonder: Looked way too muddy, the operatic/choral music just made me miss John Williams theme for Superman and the "maybe" line better be a trailer editing trick and not something Pa Kent says about a bus full of school kids drowning.


The line is real, and it makes sense because Superman didn't specify whether or not the bus was from an "urban" school district.
 
2012-12-11 07:27:03 PM  
Meh. If I wanted to see another needlessly dark, brooding origin story, I'd watch Amazing Spider-Man again.
 
2012-12-11 07:29:59 PM  
those are big boots to fill, just sayin
blogs.coventrytelegraph.net

Original superman movie series had it's dark moments, this just looks all dark.
 
2012-12-11 07:33:32 PM  

Mentalpatient87: I get the "protect Ma and Pa Kent" thing, too. My solution is to squirrel the loved ones away, probably pretty extreme in terms of how far. Also, make it a point to get the message across that killing my loved ones isn't going to stop me from butt-farking your soul.


The thing that villains never seem to get about "hold your loved ones hostage" is that if you actually kill them, the most powerful being on earth is now enraged beyond reason AND HAS NOTHING TO LOSE.
 
2012-12-11 07:36:13 PM  
This guy gets it.
 
2012-12-11 07:43:12 PM  

LeroyBourne: I was really hoping they'd go back into editing and get rid of those chem trails. Breaking the sound barrier is fine, I get it, he's going really fast, but the chem trails are really dumb.


Well Supes has to evacuate somewhere and there isn't a toilet on earth that can handle that sort of pressure or volume. Sure they could make him a Kryptonite commode, but that would kill him.
 
2012-12-11 07:45:59 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: DarkPascual: At the very least it picked peeked my curiosity.

pit poove.


It's "piqued".
 
2012-12-11 07:49:18 PM  

WaywardSon: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: DarkPascual: At the very least it picked peeked my curiosity.

pit poove.

It's "piqued".


It's a mute point.
 
2012-12-11 07:49:52 PM  

Mentat: Mentalpatient87: I get the "protect Ma and Pa Kent" thing, too. My solution is to squirrel the loved ones away, probably pretty extreme in terms of how far. Also, make it a point to get the message across that killing my loved ones isn't going to stop me from butt-farking your soul.

The thing that villains never seem to get about "hold your loved ones hostage" is that if you actually kill them, the most powerful being on earth is now enraged beyond reason AND HAS NOTHING TO LOSE.


Like any game of chicken, both sides lose. It's just a matter of how much you're willing to gamble. Some -- especially super-villain types -- are willing to gamble a lot, including having a god smite them. Would Superman let his parents die? From all we've seen, he's willing to back down pretty easily.
 
2012-12-11 07:50:31 PM  

Mentat: WaywardSon: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: DarkPascual: At the very least it picked peeked my curiosity.

pit poove.

It's "piqued".

It's a mute point.


I think you mean a moo point.
 
2012-12-11 07:54:36 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: I've enjoyed almost all Snyders work.Sucker Punch was visually great and the story idea was Ambitious-but it did fall flat in the actual execution.


Agreed. I just got a cheap copy of Sucker Punch the other day. I watch it for the visuals alone.

And, I will defend to my dying breath that Watchmen had one of the best opening-credits sequences I've ever seen.

As for this movie, yes, please. I will be on board for this one.
 
2012-12-11 07:58:55 PM  

WaywardSon: It's "piqued".


I've been seeing a lot of people who don't know how to spell this word. It's been grinding my gears lately.
 
2012-12-11 08:04:19 PM  

Six_By_Nine:

And, I will defend to my dying breath that Watchmen had one of the best opening-credits sequences I've ever seen.



farm9.staticflickr.com

farm9.staticflickr.com

I was also fooled into thinking that the opening credits were well done. Apparently nobody taught these heroes the importance of disarming the bad guys before you ham it up for a photo op.
 
2012-12-11 08:06:39 PM  

Six_By_Nine: Darth_Lukecash: I've enjoyed almost all Snyders work.Sucker Punch was visually great and the story idea was Ambitious-but it did fall flat in the actual execution.

Agreed. I just got a cheap copy of Sucker Punch the other day. I watch it for the visuals alone.

And, I will defend to my dying breath that Watchmen had one of the best opening-credits sequences I've ever seen.

As for this movie, yes, please. I will be on board for this one.


I don't think anyone will argue with your point about Watchmen, the Ozymandias/Comedian fight and subsequent opening credit sequence was brilliant and did an incredible job of setting the stage for the rest of the movie.
 
2012-12-11 08:16:39 PM  
Shiat, I think it looks awesome, but that's how all trailers for Zack Snyder films look - awesome, and then they range from horrendous to mediocre.
 
2012-12-11 08:24:50 PM  
I'm a little surprised there are people in the thread saying the trailer didn't flesh out any of the story. To me, it laid out the entire premise.

I would argue the antagonist of the story is not Zod, but humanity's fear. Having Pa Kent wanting Clark to hide his powers and stay out of the spotlight (which is probably what convinces Clark to work on a remote fishing boat) is his intuition that if the Earth discovered that not only did aliens exist, but they were all powerful beings, they would be terrified. Then Superman comes around and they are indeed afraid (hence the military taking him "prisoner"). But then another alien (Zod) shows up who justifies humanity in their fear. He's violent, ruthless, and loves power. He loves he new power the yellow sun bestows on him as a Kryptonian, in particular.

This leads to the showdown where Superman fights Zod. It's a battle to earn the trust of humanity, keep the benevolent spirit of Jor-El/Krypon alive, and become Earth's champion.

I could be completely wrong of course. But the trailer convinced me I'll find out in the theater.
 
2012-12-11 08:26:37 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: When asked if Clark should have let a bus full of kids die Pa Kent doesnt say "maybe".


Parts of that was filmed for the town of Smallville, was done in Plano, IL. I was able to take pictures while they were filming, they built a fake 7-11. It felt like I was in a giant doll house.
 
2012-12-11 08:29:14 PM  

fusillade762: No hate for the fact that Supes is being played by a BRIT?!?


All the other Kryptonians were busy with other projects.
 
2012-12-11 08:30:54 PM  

Fano: Wayne 985: Fano: Summer Glau's Love Slave: Oh please, not another goddam origin story.

Especially for Superman, the one hero whose origin is so ingrained in our collective consciousness that All-Star Superman can do it in 4 panels and 8 words.

Think about it though: the last time we had a Superman origin story on the big screen was 1979. I don't think we need one, but if it's done well, I'll enjoy it.

Batman Begins fleshed out that character's background and origin in a remarkable way, so I'm hoping this will too.

If they do it well, I won't mind. Still, I don't want there to be a majority of the movie that he isn't Superman, which is part of the trouble of origin stories. And even though we haven't had it on the big screen, we had years of his origin on Smallville.


When I watched the trailer, numerous things from Smallville caught my eye. In the first episode, Lex goes over a bridge into a river and Clark saves him. The painful cacophony of voices, and even the way Martha coaches him to listen for just her voice: Smallville. The flight vortex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEnzP_ Gpaqk&feature=youtube_gdata_player Smallville.
 
2012-12-11 08:38:36 PM  

Mentat: Mentalpatient87: I get the "protect Ma and Pa Kent" thing, too. My solution is to squirrel the loved ones away, probably pretty extreme in terms of how far. Also, make it a point to get the message across that killing my loved ones isn't going to stop me from butt-farking your soul.

The thing that villains never seem to get about "hold your loved ones hostage" is that if you actually kill them, the most powerful being on earth is now enraged beyond reason AND HAS NOTHING TO LOSE.


That's why it always happens at the end when the hero has busted up the villian's plan and is closing in on the villain for the kill or arrest. By chance or evil plot the person the hero cares for most is suddenly there for the villain to take one last shot at making the hero back down with. Like in real life hostage taking is always done as a reckless last ditch high risk effort.
 
2012-12-11 08:39:06 PM  

Wayne 985: Stile4aly: So the villain has spaceships and at some point Superman is led away in chains. I'm guessing this means Darkseid or possibly Brainiac.

This gives me hope that we'll see a world of cardboard scene.

I never watched Superman: The Animated Series or Justice League, largely because I never had access to the CW. I still regret that.


You know you can always watch it on da tubes somewhere.
 
2012-12-11 08:42:32 PM  

MightyPez: I'm a little surprised there are people in the thread saying the trailer didn't flesh out any of the story. To me, it laid out the entire premise.

I would argue the antagonist of the story is not Zod, but humanity's fear. Having Pa Kent wanting Clark to hide his powers and stay out of the spotlight (which is probably what convinces Clark to work on a remote fishing boat) is his intuition that if the Earth discovered that not only did aliens exist, but they were all powerful beings, they would be terrified. Then Superman comes around and they are indeed afraid (hence the military taking him "prisoner"). But then another alien (Zod) shows up who justifies humanity in their fear. He's violent, ruthless, and loves power. He loves he new power the yellow sun bestows on him as a Kryptonian, in particular.

This leads to the showdown where Superman fights Zod. It's a battle to earn the trust of humanity, keep the benevolent spirit of Jor-El/Krypon alive, and become Earth's champion.

I could be completely wrong of course. But the trailer convinced me I'll find out in the theater.


I really hope this is the story, cuz it sounds AWESOME.
 
2012-12-11 08:52:41 PM  

AntonChigger: MightyPez: I'm a little surprised there are people in the thread saying the trailer didn't flesh out any of the story. To me, it laid out the entire premise.

I would argue the antagonist of the story is not Zod, but humanity's fear. Having Pa Kent wanting Clark to hide his powers and stay out of the spotlight (which is probably what convinces Clark to work on a remote fishing boat) is his intuition that if the Earth discovered that not only did aliens exist, but they were all powerful beings, they would be terrified. Then Superman comes around and they are indeed afraid (hence the military taking him "prisoner"). But then another alien (Zod) shows up who justifies humanity in their fear. He's violent, ruthless, and loves power. He loves he new power the yellow sun bestows on him as a Kryptonian, in particular.

This leads to the showdown where Superman fights Zod. It's a battle to earn the trust of humanity, keep the benevolent spirit of Jor-El/Krypon alive, and become Earth's champion.

I could be completely wrong of course. But the trailer convinced me I'll find out in the theater.

I really hope this is the story, cuz it sounds AWESOME.


Agreed. And it's probably right on the money, although I did read somewhere (I forget where) that at one point in the movie, Superman takes a severe beating from Faora.
 
2012-12-11 09:14:22 PM  
That trailer looked pretty cool. It reminded me (like All-Star Superman did) that there is something very pure and beautiful about the character of Superman. Like he represents the better parts of the human spirit- pure altruism and pure faith in the goodness and worth of humanity.

But with that said, with Zack Snyder at the helm I think I can safely assume this movie is going to be pure garbage.
 
2012-12-11 09:21:00 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: A Zack Snyder movie and no freeze-shots in the trailer? There may be hope for this.

/Did like Watchmen, for the most part.


Watch his take off from the fortress of solitude again.
 
2012-12-11 09:35:44 PM  
Sorry haters, but this trailer just makes me want them to shut up and take my money all the more.
 
2012-12-11 09:40:53 PM  
God I hope this one is good...

Looks promising.
 
2012-12-11 10:02:30 PM  

imgod2u: Mentat: WaywardSon: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: DarkPascual: At the very least it picked peeked my curiosity.

pit poove.

It's "piqued".

It's a mute point.

I think you mean a moo point.


Irregardless, for all intensive purposes it's the same thing.
 
2012-12-11 10:02:46 PM  
didn't watch the trailer? are they doing the supes origin again? that would suck. everyone on earth knows the superman origin story. lets skip it.
 
2012-12-11 10:04:26 PM  

ck1938: I'd like to see the equivalent of something like this at some point during the movie.

[media.comicvine.com image 850x1286]


You want to see Supes take a huge steaming dump?
 
2012-12-11 10:05:08 PM  
They're morons for not using the John Williams score.
 
2012-12-11 10:05:42 PM  

SuperT: didn't watch the trailer? are they doing the supes origin again? that would suck. everyone on earth knows the superman origin story. lets skip it.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-11 10:08:37 PM  
i43.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-11 10:10:53 PM  
When I watched the trailer, numerous things from Smallville caught my eye. In the first episode, Lex goes over a bridge into a river and Clark saves him. The painful cacophony of voices, and even the way Martha coaches him to listen for just her voice: Smallville. The flight vortex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEnzP_ Gpaqk&feature=youtube_gdata_player Smallville.

I assumed I was the only one who saw those similarities. Mostly because it seems like everyone but me hated Smallville for some reason.

And even if Pa Kent's "Maybe" is in context, it's not that far removed from all the times Clark saved someone, stopped a criminal, etc. in Smallville and his parents first concern frequently seemed to be about whether anyone saw him. You could argue that doesn't make them bad people, just parents who are more concerned about their son's safety than anything else. Period.
 
2012-12-11 10:12:09 PM  

Hobodeluxe: Mentalpatient87: Superman is a hard character for me to get into. Thinking about him always leads me back to the idea that I would be nothing like Supes if I had those powers. Truth, justice, blah blah blah, no. I'm the invincible god here, I'm gonna do what I want with this world. I'm not a dick, I'll help solve problems, and I'm not gonna get bored and start wrecking China for laughs, but the secret identity stuff goes out the window the second that I'm confident no earthly military can kill me.

There's a lot to ponder having such immense power. Do you simply stand by and let humanity find it's own path? Do you attempt to create a Utopian global society? Do you favor one nation over others?


Part 4 might have sucked, but the central premise was good. Reboot that.
 
2012-12-11 10:26:30 PM  

RexTalionis: BalugaJoe: How does Kevin Costner keep getting work?

I happen to like some of the movies he's directed. I especially enjoyed Wyatt Earp.


Hatfields and McCoys was also a trip back to form for Costner. fark the haters.
 
2012-12-11 10:54:00 PM  
This reboot.
I want to skip this one.

How long until the next reboot?
 
2012-12-11 11:00:51 PM  
"...woman of tissue".

Also: Zach Snyder sucks.
Also also: What's with the reboots every few years now, do gen Y/millennials really have that serious an attention problem?
And finally: WTF was that soundtrack called, "The Passion of Kal-El?"

/skipping this and all the coming superhero reboots.
//done.
 
2012-12-11 11:19:07 PM  

MightyPez: I'm a little surprised there are people in the thread saying the trailer didn't flesh out any of the story. To me, it laid out the entire premise.

I would argue the antagonist of the story is not Zod, but humanity's fear. Having Pa Kent wanting Clark to hide his powers and stay out of the spotlight (which is probably what convinces Clark to work on a remote fishing boat) is his intuition that if the Earth discovered that not only did aliens exist, but they were all powerful beings, they would be terrified. Then Superman comes around and they are indeed afraid (hence the military taking him "prisoner"). But then another alien (Zod) shows up who justifies humanity in their fear. He's violent, ruthless, and loves power. He loves he new power the yellow sun bestows on him as a Kryptonian, in particular.

This leads to the showdown where Superman fights Zod. It's a battle to earn the trust of humanity, keep the benevolent spirit of Jor-El/Krypon alive, and become Earth's champion.

I could be completely wrong of course. But the trailer convinced me I'll find out in the theater.


Problem to me is that Pa Kent put "doing the right thing" before everything, with "the right thing" usually being "saving lives." He's always used to represent the idea that one should do the right thing despite the potentially negative consequences to the person doing said right thing. Yes, Clark's identity needs to be protected, but doing good deeds ultimately trump that need. If the only two possible choices are "save person, humanity gets nervous" and "let person die, humanity goes blissfully about its day," then Pa Kent would always pick the first option or even say there wasn't a choice since the second is outright invalid.

The classic "hard choices" in Superman are treated as something that can be solved to everyone's benefit with hard work or applying a novel, third approach - Ozymandias's lateral thinking but used in a much less fatal fashion. And when he fails, Superman's guilt comes from believing he's not being strong/smart/good enough, not because he "actively chose to kill X people." Hiding from the entire world and not helping others due to fear of humanity's reaction to his powers is exactly something Pa Kent would reject outright.

Sure, the plot you described is a good one, but having Pa Kent being the one to guide Superman into hiding is just... wrong.
 
2012-12-11 11:41:13 PM  

deadsanta: Also also: What's with the reboots every few years now, do gen Y/millennials really have that serious an attention problem?


In some cases it's a rights issue. The studios have to keep making movies out of these properties every few years or the rights revert back to their original owners. Not sure if that applies in this case, though.
 
2012-12-11 11:44:23 PM  

deadsanta: What's with the reboots every few years now, do gen Y/millennials really have that serious an attention problem?


So at least with Marvel, Marvel sold all the rights to their characters with a big fat "Use it or lose it" caveat.

So the studios with the rights make a rushed, crappy, low-budget film at the last second.

Every once in a while, they hit big (X-men, X-men: First Class, Spiderman before this one), and run out a bunch of sequels, until the sequels either suck (X-men 3), or the actors/directors ask for more money (X-men 3 with the new director, Spiderman 4 that never happened).

Then they start the process all over again with a low-budget "reboot" (Current Spiderman).
 
2012-12-12 12:06:45 AM  

SVenus: This reboot.
I want to skip this one.

How long until the next reboot?


Two years.
 
2012-12-12 12:09:33 AM  

meyerkev: Then they start the process all over again with a low-budget "reboot" (Current Spiderman).


In what world is 230 million dollars low budget for a movie? The simple fact is that the main star and director didn't want to come back so Sony just started over again and spent the same amount of money.
 
2012-12-12 12:14:52 AM  

Rwa2play: Wayne 985: Stile4aly: So the villain has spaceships and at some point Superman is led away in chains. I'm guessing this means Darkseid or possibly Brainiac.

This gives me hope that we'll see a world of cardboard scene.

I never watched Superman: The Animated Series or Justice League, largely because I never had access to the CW. I still regret that.

You know you can always watch it on da tubes somewhere.


Yeah, but I'm pretty lazy when it comes to following TV series. I watch almost none anymore. I love movies, but I get bored when I have to follow a show over months or years.
 
2012-12-12 12:28:12 AM  

AntonChigger: Six_By_Nine: Darth_Lukecash: I've enjoyed almost all Snyders work.Sucker Punch was visually great and the story idea was Ambitious-but it did fall flat in the actual execution.

Agreed. I just got a cheap copy of Sucker Punch the other day. I watch it for the visuals alone.

And, I will defend to my dying breath that Watchmen had one of the best opening-credits sequences I've ever seen.

As for this movie, yes, please. I will be on board for this one.

I don't think anyone will argue with your point about Watchmen, the Ozymandias/Comedian fight and subsequent opening credit sequence was brilliant and did an incredible job of setting the stage for the rest of the movie.


Snyder's biggest mistake with Watchmen was making the destruction of New York so bloodless. If the ruins of the city had been festooned with gore it would have really driven home the horror of what Ozymandias had done. Instead, it ended up as a detached academic exercise.
 
2012-12-12 01:01:09 AM  

meyerkev: SuperT: didn't watch the trailer? are they doing the supes origin again? that would suck. everyone on earth knows the superman origin story. lets skip it.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 600x944]


As i said before, genius. 4 panels, 8 words, and it sums up what you need to know about Superman. I have an aversion to origin movies. The reason why is that is that for every hero aside from Nth man the Ultimate Ninja, I didnt start with issue one. Every Marvel comic starts with a one sentence blurb about how the hero got his powers. I want to see what he does with them. I have no interest in watching a person be completely normal for 80%the of a movie, nonsupermovies can tell that story and do it better. Save the origin for the prequel movie.
 
2012-12-12 01:08:33 AM  

imgod2u: Mentat: Mentalpatient87: I get the "protect Ma and Pa Kent" thing, too. My solution is to squirrel the loved ones away, probably pretty extreme in terms of how far. Also, make it a point to get the message across that killing my loved ones isn't going to stop me from butt-farking your soul.

The thing that villains never seem to get about "hold your loved ones hostage" is that if you actually kill them, the most powerful being on earth is now enraged beyond reason AND HAS NOTHING TO LOSE.

Like any game of chicken, both sides lose. It's just a matter of how much you're willing to gamble. Some -- especially super-villain types -- are willing to gamble a lot, including having a god smite them. Would Superman let his parents die? From all we've seen, he's willing to back down pretty easily.


I loved the ending of ... Twilight? The one where Superman fights Darkseid to the death as Brainiac's ship is about to explode. Batman drags him away as Darkseid calls him a "loser" for not dying too. Superman won't back down when you REALLY push his buttons. However, land swindles don't fire Kalel that much.
 
2012-12-12 01:20:44 AM  
I. RE. FUSE.
 
2012-12-12 01:42:56 AM  

fusillade762: deadsanta: Also also: What's with the reboots every few years now, do gen Y/millennials really have that serious an attention problem?

In some cases it's a rights issue. The studios have to keep making movies out of these properties every few years or the rights revert back to their original owners. Not sure if that applies in this case, though.


It doesn't, Warner Brothers has owned DC lock, stock & barrel (including movie rights) for decades.
 
2012-12-12 02:35:24 AM  

Fano: imgod2u: Mentat: Mentalpatient87: I get the "protect Ma and Pa Kent" thing, too. My solution is to squirrel the loved ones away, probably pretty extreme in terms of how far. Also, make it a point to get the message across that killing my loved ones isn't going to stop me from butt-farking your soul.

The thing that villains never seem to get about "hold your loved ones hostage" is that if you actually kill them, the most powerful being on earth is now enraged beyond reason AND HAS NOTHING TO LOSE.

Like any game of chicken, both sides lose. It's just a matter of how much you're willing to gamble. Some -- especially super-villain types -- are willing to gamble a lot, including having a god smite them. Would Superman let his parents die? From all we've seen, he's willing to back down pretty easily.

I loved the ending of ... Twilight? The one where Superman fights Darkseid to the death as Brainiac's ship is about to explode. Batman drags him away as Darkseid calls him a "loser" for not dying too. Superman won't back down when you REALLY push his buttons. However, land swindles don't fire Kalel that much.


His vulnerability isn't strength as in the Darkseid example. His vulnerability is his unwavering moral code and his attachment to humanity. One could argue that that is a strength as well but it's obviously easily exploitable.

Let's put it this way. At no point in time was Superman ever willing to sacrifice or overly endanger the life of an innocent (or even not so innocent) person just to defeat his foe. He'll let them go.
 
2012-12-12 02:43:19 AM  
Looks to me like they're making the same mistake as the last movie. From the trailer the tone is too serious. Very few scenes shown here of superman fighting villains and kicking ass. IMHO they should have emphasized the action and made it less brooding and galactic. I'm hoping the trailer is misleading.
 
2012-12-12 02:44:54 AM  
Terrence Malick is cutting trailers now?
 
2012-12-12 02:53:58 AM  

parantaja: When I watched the trailer, numerous things from Smallville caught my eye. In the first episode, Lex goes over a bridge into a river and Clark saves him. The painful cacophony of voices, and even the way Martha coaches him to listen for just her voice: Smallville. The flight vortex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEnzP_ Gpaqk&feature=youtube_gdata_player Smallville.

I assumed I was the only one who saw those similarities. Mostly because it seems like everyone but me hated Smallville for some reason.

And even if Pa Kent's "Maybe" is in context, it's not that far removed from all the times Clark saved someone, stopped a criminal, etc. in Smallville and his parents first concern frequently seemed to be about whether anyone saw him. You could argue that doesn't make them bad people, just parents who are more concerned about their son's safety than anything else. Period.


Exactly. Kevin Costner's tone and even the timbre of his voice sounds like Schneider's. Hell, close your eyes, and it *is* Johnathan Kent talking.

I farking LOVED Smallville...until the last 2 minutes where they used Superman Returns cutting-room-floor CGI scenes instead of making a suit for Welling to wear. Just finished the finale on Saturday with my 14 y.o. step-daughter after getting her hooked. Looked at me and said "Don't tell Mom I said this: That was a shiatty way to be cheap assholes!"
 
2012-12-12 04:11:02 AM  
Face it, it's going to suck.
 
2012-12-12 04:17:02 AM  

Stile4aly: AntonChigger: Six_By_Nine: Darth_Lukecash: I've enjoyed almost all Snyders work.Sucker Punch was visually great and the story idea was Ambitious-but it did fall flat in the actual execution.

Agreed. I just got a cheap copy of Sucker Punch the other day. I watch it for the visuals alone.

And, I will defend to my dying breath that Watchmen had one of the best opening-credits sequences I've ever seen.

As for this movie, yes, please. I will be on board for this one.

I don't think anyone will argue with your point about Watchmen, the Ozymandias/Comedian fight and subsequent opening credit sequence was brilliant and did an incredible job of setting the stage for the rest of the movie.

Snyder's biggest mistake with Watchmen was making the destruction of New York so bloodless. If the ruins of the city had been festooned with gore it would have really driven home the horror of what Ozymandias had done. Instead, it ended up as a detached academic exercise.


It also was a mistake to frame Dr Manhattan as the bad guy, imo. Even if the nations of the world banded together against him they still wouldn't stand a chance.
 
2012-12-12 05:52:06 AM  

Pronoun: DjangoStonereaver: Pronoun: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: DarkPascual: At the very least it picked peeked piquedmy curiosity.

pit poove.

Pot pie

2nd time I've used this one today:

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x375]

Recipe please.


Damn! Wrong pic. Razzn' frazzn Google Image Search interface.....

It should have been this:

ecx.images-amazon.com

Which is available in your grocer's freezer. Just don't open that plain brown oblong and vaguely leg-shaped
package at the back.
 
2012-12-12 06:08:56 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: Pronoun: DjangoStonereaver: Pronoun: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: DarkPascual: At the very least it picked peeked piquedmy curiosity.

pit poove.

Pot pie

2nd time I've used this one today:

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x375]


3 Heartbreak.
Recipe please.

Damn! Wrong pic. Razzn' frazzn Google Image Search interface.....

It should have been this:

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 497x500]

Which is available in your grocer's freezer. Just don't open that plain brown oblong and vaguely leg-shaped
package at the back./i>

 
2012-12-12 06:47:19 AM  

Desquamation: puckrock2000: Yet another origin story? Is there anyone left who still doesn't know the origin of Superman?

Isn't he avenging his murdered parents or something?


No, that's Aquaman you're thinking of. Superman was bitten by a radioactive Kryptonian and got super powers.
 
2012-12-12 08:23:11 AM  

NowhereMon: wonder if they are going to recreate the famous shaving scene?

[media.comicvine.com image 442x329]


That's the first thing I thought when I saw the beard.
I mean, how does Superman shave his superbeard?
 
2012-12-12 08:23:16 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: DarkPascual: At the very least it picked peeked my curiosity.

pit poove.


piqued
 
2012-12-12 08:24:04 AM  
I had no issue with Pa Kent saying "Maybe".
Perhaps he is a member of the Tea Party and the bus was full of liberals. Or Muslims. Or Atheists.
 
2012-12-12 08:36:15 AM  
Zack Snyder failed at "Watchmen" and "300", but I just finished reading Larry Tye's book "Superman: The High-Flying History of America's Most Enduring Hero", and am ridiculously excited about this movie.
 
2012-12-12 08:56:20 AM  

Free Radical: I had no issue with Pa Kent saying "Maybe".
Perhaps he is a member of the Tea Party and the bus was full of liberals. Or Muslims. Or Atheists.


Or he's a liberal and the bus was filled with people that love to work hard and take personal responsibility for their own actions.



See? I can look like a retard too!
 
HBK
2012-12-12 09:36:11 AM  

imgod2u: HBK: Is dumpy Pam from the Office Lois Lane? Lois Lane is supposed to be much hotter than some plain looking girl.

That's Amy Adams. How dare you!


She's still plain-looking. Did you see that movie she was in with Marky Mark? Or that other one where she cleans up dead bodies?
 
2012-12-12 10:00:29 AM  

Solon Isonomia: Problem to me is that Pa Kent put "doing the right thing" before everything, with "the right thing" usually being "saving lives." He's always used to represent the idea that one should do the right thing despite the potentially negative consequences to the person doing said right thing. Yes, Clark's identity needs to be protected, but doing good deeds ultimately trump that need. If the only two possible choices are "save person, humanity gets nervous" and "let person die, humanity goes blissfully about its day," then Pa Kent would always pick the first option or even say there wasn't a choice since the second is outright invalid.

The classic "hard choices" in Superman are treated as something that can be solved to everyone's benefit with hard work or applying a novel, third approach - Ozymandias's lateral thinking but used in a much less fatal fashion. And when he fails, Superman's guilt comes from believing he's not being strong/smart/good enough, not because he "actively chose to kill X people." Hiding from the entire world and not helping others due to fear of humanity's reaction to his powers is exactly something Pa Kent would reject outright.

Sure, the plot you described is a good one, but having Pa Kent being the one to guide Superman into hiding is just... wrong.


See I'm less inclined to require film makers to cater to every trope of the canon. I'll probably make a few enemies saying this, but I genuinely disliked X-Men First Class primarily because they shoe horned every X-Men characteristic into a 90 minute film. The primary example being Professor X being paralyzed by the end of the film. Why not let him walk around and develop him as a character and make the paralysis an actual event rather than a knot to tie up at the end? Along those lines, why make Magneto instantly a villain at the end? They planned on (and will be) making several movies with this story, but they already burned up a lot of the moe interesting ones they could have expanded upon.

Part of the reason the Nolan Batman films worked so well was he was allowed to tell his own story. The Batman of the Nolanverse violated some pretty major tenets of the Batman canon. But it worked because this was a different story and not just pandering to longtime fans.

It's a big difference of opinion, to be sure. Loyal fans do not want their characters messed with. And understandably too. It can be disastrous and insulting to the property. I'm just more on the side of allowing story tellers to draw a picture rather than color by numbers. They could make something truly awful, but they could also have an interesting new take on a classic story.
 
2012-12-12 10:20:09 AM  

HBK: She's still plain-looking. Did you see that movie she was in with Marky Mark? Or that other one where she cleans up dead bodies?


She's hotter than Margot Kidder anyway. Even though Margot was more believable as a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist.
 
2012-12-12 10:26:47 AM  

MightyPez: Solon Isonomia: Problem to me is that Pa Kent put "doing the right thing" before everything, with "the right thing" usually being "saving lives." He's always used to represent the idea that one should do the right thing despite the potentially negative consequences to the person doing said right thing. Yes, Clark's identity needs to be protected, but doing good deeds ultimately trump that need. If the only two possible choices are "save person, humanity gets nervous" and "let person die, humanity goes blissfully about its day," then Pa Kent would always pick the first option or even say there wasn't a choice since the second is outright invalid.

The classic "hard choices" in Superman are treated as something that can be solved to everyone's benefit with hard work or applying a novel, third approach - Ozymandias's lateral thinking but used in a much less fatal fashion. And when he fails, Superman's guilt comes from believing he's not being strong/smart/good enough, not because he "actively chose to kill X people." Hiding from the entire world and not helping others due to fear of humanity's reaction to his powers is exactly something Pa Kent would reject outright.

Sure, the plot you described is a good one, but having Pa Kent being the one to guide Superman into hiding is just... wrong.

See I'm less inclined to require film makers to cater to every trope of the canon. I'll probably make a few enemies saying this, but I genuinely disliked X-Men First Class primarily because they shoe horned every X-Men characteristic into a 90 minute film. The primary example being Professor X being paralyzed by the end of the film. Why not let him walk around and develop him as a character and make the paralysis an actual event rather than a knot to tie up at the end? Along those lines, why make Magneto instantly a villain at the end? They planned on (and will be) making several movies with this story, but they already burned up a lot of the moe interesting ones they could have expanded upon.

Part of the reason the Nolan Batman films worked so well was he was allowed to tell his own story. The Batman of the Nolanverse violated some pretty major tenets of the Batman canon. But it worked because this was a different story and not just pandering to longtime fans.

It's a big difference of opinion, to be sure. Loyal fans do not want their characters messed with. And understandably too. It can be disastrous and insulting to the property. I'm just more on the side of allowing story tellers to draw a picture rather than color by numbers. They could make something truly awful, but they could also have an interesting new take on a classic story.


Perhaps, but Pa Kent being the unwavering source of Clark's "do what's right" morality is a cornerstone trope. It's akin to Batman's parents being killed ultimately inspiring Batman to be Batman. But that's my opinion I suppose.
 
2012-12-12 10:48:54 AM  
Looks like they finally got it right. Now remake a decent Hulk film and we'll have set the world of cinema right. 

//Avengers Hulk perfectly portrayed him.
 
2012-12-12 12:48:51 PM  

Solon Isonomia: Perhaps, but Pa Kent being the unwavering source of Clark's "do what's right" morality is a cornerstone trope. It's akin to Batman's parents being killed ultimately inspiring Batman to be Batman. But that's my opinion I suppose.


In Batman, I would argue an equally large trope, "don't kill people" was ignored. Several times, in fact. It's a cornerstone part of the character, but still ignored for the medium of film. Yet we still have a solid Batman story.

It's dangerous to, for lack of a better word, deify characters in stories. This is particularly true of secondary or tertiary characters. Making them immovable objects puts the creative talent into a box with no much place to go.

Of course I see the other side of it. The best example being the previous Superman movie where suddenly there is a superkid for some inexplicable reason.
 
2012-12-12 12:50:00 PM  

MightyPez: into a box with no much few places to go.


Woof, I butchered that.
 
2012-12-12 01:15:08 PM  

MightyPez: In Batman, I would argue an equally large trope, "don't kill people" was ignored. Several times, in fact. It's a cornerstone part of the character, but still ignored for the medium of film. Yet we still have a solid Batman story.


In the Burton films he gleefully killed people but in the Nolan ones the closest he came was simply not saving Qui Gon. Which you could argue is just semantics but otherwise he didn't kill anyone.

He didn't kill in the Schumacker films of course because those were live action cartoons.
 
2012-12-12 01:20:24 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Darth_Lukecash: I actually found that intriguing. Pa Kent was worried about Clark's abilities making him an outcast. This sounds like an actual conversation that Father who has an all powerful son may actually have. There may be no easy answer.

Pa Kent was always the rock that Clark Kent was built off of. That's what made Smallville interesting. He was there just long enough to get Clark started in the right direction. A few times they played with the idea of Clark being raised by someone other than the Kents and just how bad that would be.

No matter how messed up Clark got his father's teaching would bring him back around. In tv, comics, or movies. Pa Kent was the backbone

And yes Pa Kent was Clark's father.

It's going to be about context. Pa may be trying to teach something bigger idea: like needing to protect your identity...or doing it in a way not to scare the shiat out of people.


There's a bit in one of the later Superman origin reboots, I think early 90s, that implied that Clark can sense a living "aura" around humans, and that witnessing the death of someone is very, very traumatic to him. The issue with him never killing anyone and trying to save everyone around him from dying is that the death on any scale is painful to him. I don't think they've expressed this consistently going forward, but one could imagine the Man of Steel going insane from a disaster of thousands or millions of casualties - as in Kingdom Come where the government nukes the battle site between the heroes and villains, killing dozens of them and Captain Marvel, and in a fit of rage Clark almost brings the roof down on the UN until he comes to his senses.

I'm not saying this is the case here, but realizing even in Kansas that someone could take his child away forever would be reason enough for Jonathan Kent to be wary of Clark giving even the tiniest bit of his secret away, even if his moral is for Clark to always do the Right Thing. Pa Kent's knowledge of Clark's destiny wasn't consistent in every iteration of the origin story, and in most cases only Clark was made aware of it when the time was right.

I'm just trying not to pay it mind because of the consistent tease of the trailer you don't know their full conversation or the context of their discussion. It's obvious in this movie that someone saw Clark save the children, not the "Red and Blue Blur".
 
2012-12-12 01:23:17 PM  

Mugato: MightyPez: In Batman, I would argue an equally large trope, "don't kill people" was ignored. Several times, in fact. It's a cornerstone part of the character, but still ignored for the medium of film. Yet we still have a solid Batman story.

In the Burton films he gleefully killed people but in the Nolan ones the closest he came was simply not saving Qui Gon. Which you could argue is just semantics but otherwise he didn't kill anyone.

He didn't kill in the Schumacker films of course because those were live action cartoons.


In the first one he states he doesn't have to save him, if I recall correctly. Ambiguous to be sure, but I think if you have a hard moral line against killing that should cross it.

In the second film he outright pushes Harvey Dent off a building and kills him.
 
2012-12-12 01:26:11 PM  

th0th: Darth_Lukecash: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Darth_Lukecash: I actually found that intriguing. Pa Kent was worried about Clark's abilities making him an outcast. This sounds like an actual conversation that Father who has an all powerful son may actually have. There may be no easy answer.

Pa Kent was always the rock that Clark Kent was built off of. That's what made Smallville interesting. He was there just long enough to get Clark started in the right direction. A few times they played with the idea of Clark being raised by someone other than the Kents and just how bad that would be.

No matter how messed up Clark got his father's teaching would bring him back around. In tv, comics, or movies. Pa Kent was the backbone

And yes Pa Kent was Clark's father.

It's going to be about context. Pa may be trying to teach something bigger idea: like needing to protect your identity...or doing it in a way not to scare the shiat out of people.

There's a bit in one of the later Superman origin reboots, I think early 90s, that implied that Clark can sense a living "aura" around humans, and that witnessing the death of someone is very, very traumatic to him. The issue with him never killing anyone and trying to save everyone around him from dying is that the death on any scale is painful to him. I don't think they've expressed this consistently going forward, but one could imagine the Man of Steel going insane from a disaster of thousands or millions of casualties - as in Kingdom Come where the government nukes the battle site between the heroes and villains, killing dozens of them and Captain Marvel, and in a fit of rage Clark almost brings the roof down on the UN until he comes to his senses.

I'm not saying this is the case here, but realizing even in Kansas that someone could take his child away forever would be reason enough for Jonathan Kent to be wary of Clark giving even the tiniest bit of his secret away, even if his moral is for Clark to always do the Right Thin ...


That was in Superman: Birthright, and I think they've removed that from later reboots. Same with Superman's vegetarianism.

Also, for anyone who hasn't read Kingdom Come, you really should. Absolutely excellent.

The best Superman comic of all time - OF ALL TIME - though, is Superman: Red Son. Absolutely fantastic that one is.
 
2012-12-12 01:30:50 PM  

MightyPez: In the second film he outright pushes Harvey Dent off a building and kills him.


He did? On purpose? That's weird. That scene was really dark and murky, I don't recall. Hmm. Of course turning cars into pancakes with his SUV and having big ass machine guns on his pod don't indicate he's all that obsessed about not killing.

I think I like the murderous Batman from the Burton films even though it's not canon. At least he doesn't tip toe around the issue.
 
2012-12-12 01:46:10 PM  

Mugato: MightyPez: In the second film he outright pushes Harvey Dent off a building and kills him.

He did? On purpose? That's weird. That scene was really dark and murky, I don't recall. Hmm. Of course turning cars into pancakes with his SUV and having big ass machine guns on his pod don't indicate he's all that obsessed about not killing.

I think I like the murderous Batman from the Burton films even though it's not canon. At least he doesn't tip toe around the issue.


I had a conversation witha comic book fan friend of mine. You can essentially create any story you like as long as the characters and events are consistent with their universe. Just because Batman doesn't kill in the comics doesn't mean he can't massacre henchmen in the Burton films. If we we don't establish a certain behavior is the story, then that behavior is essentially void.

Max Landis (or rather, his father John) nailed in in the YouTube video The Death and Return of Superman (link starts at the pertinent moment).

John asks Max, "how do you kill a vampire?" Max lists the usual stake through the heart, sunlight, etc. John replies, "No, you can killa vampire however the fark you want, because vampires don't farking exist! You can make up rules for any kind of thing you want."

if you have 15 minutes it's a great video.
 
2012-12-12 03:27:45 PM  

imgod2u: Fano: imgod2u: Mentat: Mentalpatient87: I get the "protect Ma and Pa Kent" thing, too. My solution is to squirrel the loved ones away, probably pretty extreme in terms of how far. Also, make it a point to get the message across that killing my loved ones isn't going to stop me from butt-farking your soul.

The thing that villains never seem to get about "hold your loved ones hostage" is that if you actually kill them, the most powerful being on earth is now enraged beyond reason AND HAS NOTHING TO LOSE.

Like any game of chicken, both sides lose. It's just a matter of how much you're willing to gamble. Some -- especially super-villain types -- are willing to gamble a lot, including having a god smite them. Would Superman let his parents die? From all we've seen, he's willing to back down pretty easily.

I loved the ending of ... Twilight? The one where Superman fights Darkseid to the death as Brainiac's ship is about to explode. Batman drags him away as Darkseid calls him a "loser" for not dying too. Superman won't back down when you REALLY push his buttons. However, land swindles don't fire Kalel that much.

His vulnerability isn't strength as in the Darkseid example. His vulnerability is his unwavering moral code and his attachment to humanity. One could argue that that is a strength as well but it's obviously easily exploitable.

Let's put it this way. At no point in time was Superman ever willing to sacrifice or overly endanger the life of an innocent (or even not so innocent) person just to defeat his foe. He'll let them go.


It's a tossup, but it could be argued that he risks Bruce's life. One of the things that seems consistent about Kryptonians is a temper.

SUPERMAN vs. Darkseid ("Twilight") FULL FIGHT!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmTg7ROPssc

But as far as character studies go, this has to be the best to ever feature Clark.

Justice League - Season 3 - For the Man Who Has Everything
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sS5_thuoBk
 
2012-12-12 03:54:35 PM  

imgod2u: Mentat: WaywardSon: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: DarkPascual: At the very least it picked peeked my curiosity.

pit poove.

It's "piqued".

It's a mute point.

I think you mean a moo point.


I think you mien a mau pointe.
 
2012-12-12 04:17:02 PM  

MightyPez: No, you can killa vampire however the fark you want, because vampires don't farking exist! You can make up rules for any kind of thing you want."


That's true up to a point but they still exist in myth and there has to be a line where they're no longer considered vampires. The Twilight beings come to mind as creeping over that line.
 
2012-12-12 04:24:29 PM  

Mugato: MightyPez: No, you can killa vampire however the fark you want, because vampires don't farking exist! You can make up rules for any kind of thing you want."

That's true up to a point but they still exist in myth and there has to be a line where they're no longer considered vampires. The Twilight beings come to mind as creeping over that line.


Admittedly, he didn't say you can make up anything and have it be well received. But it's not unheard of that genres get turned on their head. If we revisit the Twilight comparison, it was very successful. Based on its popularity I would say it was more well received than poorly received.

But we're missing the forest from the trees now.
 
2012-12-12 05:15:31 PM  

tjassen: NowhereMon: wonder if they are going to recreate the famous shaving scene?

[media.comicvine.com image 442x329]

That's the first thing I thought when I saw the beard.
I mean, how does Superman shave his superbeard?


i.stack.imgur.com
 
2012-12-12 05:23:45 PM  
What Superman and his beard might look like

www.kahramanlarsinemada.com
 
2012-12-12 06:32:33 PM  

BHShaman: T.rex: I was one of the first to proclaim Bryan Singer's version as crap on IMDB message boards, and was banned for it.

Banned for an opinion, on a movie ranking site?
You don't say.


Thats what i'm saying... They concluded i simply HAD to have been an unruly troll for not bowing down on my knees and kissing Bryan Singer's feet.... I was attacked by other people (who had also seen the movie, no less), who were still apparently in shock and couldn't face the fact of the atrociousness of the movie.
 
2012-12-12 08:07:43 PM  

MightyPez: Mugato: MightyPez: In Batman, I would argue an equally large trope, "don't kill people" was ignored. Several times, in fact. It's a cornerstone part of the character, but still ignored for the medium of film. Yet we still have a solid Batman story.

In the Burton films he gleefully killed people but in the Nolan ones the closest he came was simply not saving Qui Gon. Which you could argue is just semantics but otherwise he didn't kill anyone.

He didn't kill in the Schumacker films of course because those were live action cartoons.

In the first one he states he doesn't have to save him, if I recall correctly. Ambiguous to be sure, but I think if you have a hard moral line against killing that should cross it.

In the second film he outright pushes Harvey Dent off a building and kills him.


I don't think his goal was to kill him (Batman made the same fall and lived). His goal was to grab that kid and knock Harvey away.
 
2012-12-12 11:05:13 PM  

Wayne 985: MightyPez: Mugato: MightyPez: In Batman, I would argue an equally large trope, "don't kill people" was ignored. Several times, in fact. It's a cornerstone part of the character, but still ignored for the medium of film. Yet we still have a solid Batman story.

In the Burton films he gleefully killed people but in the Nolan ones the closest he came was simply not saving Qui Gon. Which you could argue is just semantics but otherwise he didn't kill anyone.

He didn't kill in the Schumacker films of course because those were live action cartoons.

In the first one he states he doesn't have to save him, if I recall correctly. Ambiguous to be sure, but I think if you have a hard moral line against killing that should cross it.

In the second film he outright pushes Harvey Dent off a building and kills him.

I don't think his goal was to kill him (Batman made the same fall and lived). His goal was to grab that kid and knock Harvey away.


And yet Harvey is dead, regardless.
 
2012-12-13 12:15:30 AM  

HBK: imgod2u: HBK: Is dumpy Pam from the Office Lois Lane? Lois Lane is supposed to be much hotter than some plain looking girl.

That's Amy Adams. How dare you!

She's still plain-looking. Did you see that movie she was in with Marky Mark? Or that other one where she cleans up dead bodies?


Yes and yes and again, how dare you!
 
2012-12-13 03:19:53 AM  
hey soundtrack fans - the singers voice at the beginning reminds of Gladiator. Anyone know if that's the same female voice from the Gladiator soundtrack?
 
2012-12-13 07:11:56 PM  
People hating on this are nuts, Nolan had a hand in this and I think he has earned our trust. I'll be seeing this one in the theaters.
 
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