300 hectares on a single tank of kerosene.

There is more to moving at supersonic speeds, Horatio,
Than are jet-fueled in your philosophy.

"Swing low chariot, come down easy... Taxi to the terminal zone..."

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Came specifically for this.

So hows that Flex-fuel thing working out for you? Not so much huh?

Was it Jet-A or 100 LL? That 100LL will kill a catalytic converter.

And in this case, you can't trust the attendants/station/fuel vendor who provide the fuel and pump it for you.

This kind of thing wouldn't happen if we could pump our own gas, right?

tricycleracer: 300 hectares on a single tank of kerosene.

I was kind of disappointed when I found out jet fuel was basically kerosene. I expected something far more exciting.

wildcardjack: Was it Jet-A or 100 LL? That 100LL will kill a catalytic converter.

One of my buddy's dad was a helicopter mechanic. He helped us put a helicopter turbo on a trashed VW Sirrocco and filled us up with avgas. Car was fun, for about a week.

It's okay, I drive one of these:

JP-7?

netringer:

It's a bit worse when they pump auto fuel (or Av gas) into jet planes.

Kinda hard to pull over and call for a tow when climbing through 3000 feet.

I'm just guessing here, but given that regular gasoline is quite a lot more volatile than jet fuel...

"Kinda hard to pull over and call for a tow when engulfed in a fireball.

/ ok, maybe not *quite* that bad, but...

farkingismybusiness: This is why they can't be trusted to pump their own gas.

It is New Jersey, you don't pump your own gas.

spcMike: St_Francis_P: See now, if they had diesels everything would have been fine.

Actually came here to say something about diesels being just fine with it.

Sterling engine would have been fine

I thought it was diesel fuel being refined fuel oil and jet fuel being refined kerosene?

You think someone would have smelled the difference.
That stuff is thick and greasy smelling, Not at all like gasoline.

farkingismybusiness: ThrowYourHatredDown: farkingismybusiness: This is why they can't be trusted to pump their own gas.

It is New Jersey, you don't pump your own gas.

And they can't even get that right.

Ha! This from some clown who lives in DC.

mightybaldking: You think someone would have smelled the difference.
That stuff is thick and greasy smelling, Not at all like gasoline.


I was in Germany on business once, my ex and the kids were in France. I get a call from her asking me to confirm for her that gas and gasoil are the same thing. I could not. She then asked me if I thought that difference might have anything to do with the fact that her rental car was "on fire". Wasn't cheap.

Sure, if it was a diesel it would ran just fine... for a small amount of time.

Then the high pressure fuel pump would get no lubrication and then it would start puking 15k worth of HPFP parts through the entire fuel system and you would be extra screwed.

Unless of course, you had an older diesel with no HPFP, then it would proably be ok, but would still be hell on the injection pump. Lubricity is your best friend.

Sally had a KIA
She topped-off with JetA
And extended flaps
For takeoff
On one fine Jersey day.

She stalled into the breakdown lane
And bailed into the scrum
Flying down the turnpike
Riding on her thumb.

Brother in law had an old Nova we BUILT back in the very early 80's. He liked power & had a good disposable income at the time. He was working at a plane shop at the time & would run 130 octane ave gas on the weekends. Scary power & lots of fun.


CSB, sort of...

We used to get JP5 ( I think ) put in our diesel amphibious assault vehicles while aboard ships. It didn't do much other than make the engines run hotter.

ChipNASA: JP-7?

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There is something awefully farking scary about using the same liquid that you use for fuel as your coolant.

I'm not sure why people think jet fuel would make a car run faster, the truth is it will most likely not run at all, or run like shiat. Jet fuel is pretty much the equivalent of kerosene, it may have a higher octane than normal gasoline but it definitely wont work in a normal gas engine. The only exception may be JP-4, which is a 50-50 mix of kerosene and gasoline, but it's still going to run like crap and smoke like a mofo.

Jet fuel ignites under compression and not by spark like gasoline does.

In a car it would obviously stall because of the low compression. May run in a diesel though but that would be a different pump.

I like the commenter in the link that made it into an anti-union screed.

ShamanGator: Brother in law had an old Nova we BUILT back in the very early 80's. He liked power & had a good disposable income at the time. He was working at a plane shop at the time & would run 130 octane ave gas on the weekends. Scary power & lots of fun.


CSB, sort of...

Yes, it is totally cool! I think so, anyway. So, what happened to the Nova? Still have it? Sold it? Done anymore similar projects?

mightybaldking: You think someone would have smelled the difference.
That stuff is thick and greasy smelling, Not at all like gasoline.

This happened in NJ... EVERYTHING is thick and greasy here.

MythDragon: ChipNASA: JP-7?

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There is something awefully farking scary about using the same liquid that you use for fuel as your coolant.

I'd be more concerned about the fuel/coolant pouring out of gaping holes in the fuselage while the aircraft taxis down the runway. That thing leaks like a sieve until it heats up.

LoneVVolf: mightybaldking: You think someone would have smelled the difference.
That stuff is thick and greasy smelling, Not at all like gasoline.

This happened in NJ... EVERYTHING is thick and greasy here.

It wasn't jet fuel. Just a week's supply of hair gel for guidos.

LoneVVolf: MythDragon: ChipNASA: JP-7?

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There is something awefully farking scary about using the same liquid that you use for fuel as your coolant.

I'd be more concerned about the fuel/coolant pouring out of gaping holes in the fuselage while the aircraft taxis down the runway. That thing leaks like a sieve until it heats up.

I always wondered what the EPA would think of that.

netringer: It's a bit worse when they pump auto fuel (or Av gas) into jet planes.

Kinda hard to pull over and call for a tow when climbing through 3000 feet.

Turbine engines run just fine using 100LL and even auto-gas. You are just limited to the number of hours you can operate while using Mo-gas or Av-gas and the inspection interval is decreased.

In an non-certified engine, you can do whatever. I knew a guy in Texas who ran an F-86 and T-33 while using Jet-A cut 50% with Mo-gas to save on cost.

A friend of mine used to run his junk Skoda diesel pickup on waterlogged A1 discarded from our jumpship and fuel tank. It took 30 seconds to start, but ran fine.
Now that we've changed airplanes (the turbine had more and more problems, and got too expensive to run), 100LL is our new thing. Someone stole about 2 cubic meters of the stuff a few months ago, I hope it rots their catalytic converters :(

Frank Dooley: [panting] Listen... I'm only gonna say this once. I'm a special officer. You have to get me to the corner of 83rd and Aviation in 10 minutes... otherwise, two wonderful people that I know are gonna die.
The Cowboy: Well, climb on in here, Slim.
Frank Dooley: [enters the truck's cab] Whew! Thank you.
The Cowboy: Well, let's just see how fast this son-of-a-biatch'll go!
[the psycho Cowboy truck driver starts up the tanker truck and suddenly begins slaming into all the parked cars in the traffic jam!]
The Cowboy: Hold on tight to your saddle horn, son!
Frank Dooley: So what are you hauling?
The Cowboy: Rocket Fuel!

Might be obscure

maxheck: netringer:

It's a bit worse when they pump auto fuel (or Av gas) into jet planes.

Kinda hard to pull over and call for a tow when climbing through 3000 feet.

I'm just guessing here, but given that regular gasoline is quite a lot more volatile than jet fuel...

"Kinda hard to pull over and call for a tow when engulfed in a fireball.

/ ok, maybe not *quite* that bad, but...

I'm a little late here, but, turbine engines (at least like that in the CRJ for instance) can be rated to run on regular aviation fuel (pretty much just fancy gasoline) for limited periods in case of emergency (stuck in BFE for some reason with no access to Jet fuel), but this isn't good on the engines as they don't get the benefit of the lubricating properties of jet fuel (equivalent of kerosene). So they wouldn't really explode. My understanding is that turbines are pretty tolerant to run on just about anything that is flammable.

The article is ambiguous as to whether this was Jet fuel or regular aviation fuel...jet fuel would be like putting diesel in your car and wouldn't work, but avgas would run ok until the lead plugs up your catalytic convertor. My guess is jet fuel since avgas is produced in fairly tiny quantities (I once heard that avgas comprises less than 1% of gasoline production in the US.)

St_Francis_P: See now, if they had diesels everything would have been fine.

Mostly. Diesels can run Jet-A but you should probably put some 2-stroke oil in with the tank.