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(Huffington Post)   You may have heard about the study claiming that FoxNews viewers were on average 20 points lower in IQ than the rest of us. Yeah, they made that up   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 110
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2012-12-11 12:31:22 PM
may be made up, but totally believable.
 
2012-12-11 12:42:08 PM
It's now how big your intelligence is, it's how you use it. And in the case of Fox News watchers, it doesn't look like they're using it at all.
 
2012-12-11 12:42:39 PM

Cewley: may be made up, but totally believable.


Not really. I know plenty of very bright people who watch FoxNews religiously. That mindset has nothing to do with intelligence, and everything to do with brainwashing.
 
2012-12-11 12:56:59 PM

Cewley: may be made up, but totally believable.


And the author of this charade knows that:

"Facts are obsolete," said P. Nichols, the contact given for the press release who claimed Nichols was his last name but refused to confirm his entire name, the name of the Republican PAC he says backed the "study" or any of the people behind the actual report he insisted did truly exist. And no, he wouldn't send us a copy of it.
 
2012-12-11 01:05:48 PM

make me some tea: Cewley: may be made up, but totally believable.

Not really. I know plenty of very bright people who watch FoxNews religiously. That mindset has nothing to do with intelligence, and everything to do with brainwashing.


Absolutely. Someone could be very intelligent and yet Fox tells a narrative of a worldview that they want to believe. It could happen to anyone.
 
2012-12-11 01:08:32 PM
It was funny, but pretty obviously a hoax.
 
2012-12-11 01:10:45 PM
Clever.

"...the contact given for the press release who claimed Nichols was his last name but refused to confirm his entire name, the name of the Republican PAC he says backed the "study" or any of the people behind the actual report he insisted did truly exist. And no, he wouldn't send us a copy of it."

Surveys repeatedly show Fox News viewers are less infromed on the issues, or less educated, or more apt to believe b.s. and all you have to do is put out a phony survey to refute all the rest. 


$50 says James O'keefe had a hand in this "survey"
 
2012-12-11 01:28:22 PM
So they're, what 30 or 40 points below then?
 
2012-12-11 01:28:49 PM
We basically all knew that it was satire already, champ.
 
2012-12-11 01:49:06 PM
I never saw this study.
 
2012-12-11 01:53:13 PM
People believe things that are outlandish if they fall within ones self preconceptions.
 
2012-12-11 01:54:18 PM
no, I didn't hear about that
 
2012-12-11 01:57:08 PM
I didn't know this was a fake study, I thought it was just common knowledge.
 
2012-12-11 01:57:36 PM

kid_icarus: make me some tea: Cewley: may be made up, but totally believable.

Not really. I know plenty of very bright people who watch FoxNews religiously. That mindset has nothing to do with intelligence, and everything to do with brainwashing.

Absolutely. Someone could be very intelligent and yet Fox tells a narrative of a worldview that they want to believe. It could happen to anyone.


It would be nice if they were actually right--all Fox News basically does is crap on people that are less fortunate than they are for being less fortunate than they are. It basically parrots the 1950's ideals of America and tries jamming it into a 2012 framework. It's a massive failure--but If I were a moron I'd be happy to feel that addressing problems was just blaming other people for them.
 
2012-12-11 01:58:13 PM
That's hilarious. And people believed it for the same reason they see any Republican as a bigot.

Because it's TRUE.

Never let the facts get in the way of the Truth --- HST
 
2012-12-11 01:58:56 PM
IQ is not fitting here. There needs to be a Reality Quotient that measures a persons world view against known facts. This number should be displayed on their Facebook page. You may want to hire people with a high IQ and low RQ but you don't want to be friends with them.
 
2012-12-11 01:59:53 PM
But the interesting part is why they made it up. This was done by people on the right who wanted to shame people from getting their news from play-fast-and-loose with facts FOX News. And they did it by making up facts.
 
2012-12-11 02:01:23 PM
I didn't hear about a study on IQ. I have heard about the studies showing Fox News viewers being less informed than people who don't even know what news is.
 
2012-12-11 02:02:05 PM
Anyone with an IQ knew this was a hoax by simply reading the article. No wonder it was so popular at Kos and DU.
 
2012-12-11 02:02:48 PM

Decillion: IQ is not fitting here. There needs to be a Reality Quotient that measures a persons world view against known facts. This number should be displayed on their Facebook page. You may want to hire people with a high IQ and low RQ but you don't want to be friends with them.


Excellent idea. I propose we do the same for voting: a short test has to be taken at the poll and the person's vote weighted according to his Reality Quotient score. Perhaps the Reality Institute (a subsidiary of the Intelligence Institute) could be commissioned to write it.
 
2012-12-11 02:03:16 PM
Facts are not obsolete. What you don't know can kill you.
imageshack.us
 
2012-12-11 02:03:42 PM
"Intelligence Institute"?
Sounds legit.
 
2012-12-11 02:04:43 PM

Mrbogey: Anyone with an IQ knew this was a hoax by simply reading the article. No wonder it was so popular at Kos and DU.


No, everywhere I saw it linked there were liberals calling it into question mostly because the scientific language and name of the researchers sounded like bullshiat.
 
2012-12-11 02:05:02 PM

St_Francis_P: It was funny, but pretty obviously a hoax.


It was pretty hoaxey but obviously funny.
 
2012-12-11 02:06:22 PM

cman: People believe things that are outlandish if they fall within ones self preconceptions.


What's outlandish about the idea that Fox News viewers are significantly less intelligent than other people?
 
2012-12-11 02:06:48 PM
Doesn't change the fact that they're still less informed than the rest...

And let me guess: it was an Onion headline that only Conservatives took seriously and felt the need to disprove?
 
2012-12-11 02:07:58 PM
It's reverse reverse psychology.

Because this study is a hoax, you might be inclined to believe that Fox News viewers have the same intelligence as other people-- but you have no data to support or falsify that claim.
 
2012-12-11 02:08:09 PM
This means that Sarah Palin is automagically President, and Barack Obama has to repeat the first grade (and not in one a' them public schools neither).
 
2012-12-11 02:08:32 PM
Dumber.....no. The general public is quite stupid as a whole. More misinformed......yes.
 
2012-12-11 02:09:19 PM

cman: People believe things that are outlandish if they fall within ones self preconceptions.


...and that's true no matter their politics. We's all just humans, liking what we like and agreeing with things that go along with what we thought before.
 
2012-12-11 02:10:31 PM
I don't think most Fox News viewers are stupid. I think they're just living in an echo chamber that promotes paranoia and misinformation.
 
2012-12-11 02:12:49 PM
Goes to show that Dems/libs will believe anything that is told to them with no need for actual facts as long as it is against republicans/conservatives. Just like how dems/libs believe Obama is not a Muslim.
 
2012-12-11 02:14:14 PM
Believing in stupid things is not an indicator of intelligence - this guy believed in God and was very smart



media.npr.org


its true but im totally flaming
 
2012-12-11 02:16:11 PM
Fox News: Not dumb, but #1 with dummies.
 
2012-12-11 02:16:28 PM
So basically, he did to Fox News what Fox News does on a daily basis: spread falsehoods and watch them grow. I call it justice.
 
2012-12-11 02:18:43 PM

Objectesticle: Believing in stupid things is not an indicator of intelligence - this guy believed in God and was very smart



[media.npr.org image 850x954]


its true but im totally flaming


www.bobsliberace.com
 
2012-12-11 02:19:11 PM
Of course, there are still the seven legitimate studies that show Fox News viewers are the most misinformed.
 
2012-12-11 02:20:42 PM
FOX News make shiat up too.
 
2012-12-11 02:21:45 PM
I would totally believe the same results if directed towards the politics tab. No amount of refutation would shake my conviction that it is true. Y'all are morans.

/and yes that includes me
 
2012-12-11 02:24:29 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-11 02:24:48 PM
Well, made up facts are a kind of facts.
 
2012-12-11 02:25:43 PM
Untrue because it's actually 40 points below?
 
2012-12-11 02:27:07 PM

SomeoneDumb: cman: People believe things that are outlandish if they fall within ones self preconceptions.

...and that's true no matter their politics. We's all just humans, liking what we like and agreeing with things that go along with what we thought before.


It's hard to break a world view. I commend anyone who had the courage to change theirs when presented with new facts.

It's easier when you are younger. My parents had the same birthday. I thought everyone's parents had the same birthday. It never even occurred to me that this was not the case until I was 7 or 8. It was an instant shock to learn the truth. I'll never forget it. Figuring out Santa for yourself gradually is one thing but having a truth told to you is something else. My first reaction was predictable. Denial.
 
2012-12-11 02:27:37 PM
No, subby, I have not heard of such a study. I wouldn't be surprised if it were true though.

What has, actually, factually, really in reality, been shown is that Fox noise droolers are demonstrably less informed about the world and especially politics in this country.

Because fox lies all the time. And the morons lap it up.
 
2012-12-11 02:27:54 PM
Fake study. Accurate results.
 
2012-12-11 02:29:19 PM

Objectesticle: Believing in stupid things is not an indicator of intelligence - this guy believed in God and was very smart.

its true but im totally flaming


He was more of a Deist if anything. He didn't believe that God answered prayers and performed miracles for special folks.
 
2012-12-11 02:34:45 PM
Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice

There have been hundreds of real studies and the results are the same.

Republicans are morons.
 
2012-12-11 02:35:09 PM
Given that IQ is generally defined to have a standard deviation of 15, and Fox News has millions of veiwers, the odds that the average IQ of Fox News watchers is 1.3 standard deviations below the average IQ of the US population are 0.00%.

It's almost a meta analysis. The "study" says that Fox News veiwers are idiots, but in turn, any one who believes the results of the study actually demonstrates a lack of intelligence.
 
2012-12-11 02:36:06 PM

NateGrey: Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice

There have been hundreds of real studies and the results are the same.

Republicans are morons.


Evil High Priest: No, subby, I have not heard of such a study. I wouldn't be surprised if it were true though.

What has, actually, factually, really in reality, been shown is that Fox noise droolers are demonstrably less informed about the world and especially politics in this country.

Because fox lies all the time. And the morons lap it up.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
These.
 
2012-12-11 02:36:09 PM
Don't Click! It's a libby-libtard HuffPo link!

/Amidoinitright?
 
2012-12-11 02:40:54 PM
Has there been a study to determine the number of people who have lost and/or cannot operate their TV's remote? Here comes the science!
 
2012-12-11 02:41:22 PM
Figures. I thought 20 points seemed like a lowballing number.
 
2012-12-11 02:44:11 PM
It really is unfair to brand conservatives as dumb. Look at how smart they have been on matters of national security and economics. Where would we be if we had not listened to the GOP when they called for de-regulation of the financial sector.
 
2012-12-11 02:46:06 PM
I don't think conservatives are dumb. Ignorant, yes. but not dumb.
 
2012-12-11 02:46:22 PM
Link to Fox News lies website

A whole collection of BS Fox has broadcast.
 
2012-12-11 02:47:32 PM

cfletch13: I don't think conservatives are dumb. Ignorant, yes. but not dumb.


More or less ignorant than people who speak in generalities, though?
 
2012-12-11 02:48:01 PM
Each participant was wired to an electroencephalograph that recorded activity in the anterior cingulate cortex, the part of the brain that detects conflicts between a habitual tendency (pressing a key) and a more appropriate response (not pressing the key). Liberals had more brain activity and made fewer mistakes than conservatives when they saw a W, researchers said. Liberals and conservatives were equally accurate in recognizing M. Link

Study from 2007. The Fark thread from this study was epic, with Fark Cons thinking it meant they were smarter.

But reality has a liberal bias.

/Conservatives are morons.
 
2012-12-11 02:48:28 PM
pjmedia.com
 
2012-12-11 02:49:16 PM

NateGrey: Each participant was wired to an electroencephalograph that recorded activity in the anterior cingulate cortex, the part of the brain that detects conflicts between a habitual tendency (pressing a key) and a more appropriate response (not pressing the key). Liberals had more brain activity and made fewer mistakes than conservatives when they saw a W, researchers said. Liberals and conservatives were equally accurate in recognizing M. Link

Study from 2007. The Fark thread from this study was epic, with Fark Cons thinking it meant they were smarter.

But reality has a liberal bias.

/Conservatives are morons.


so what you're saying is that your liberalness is an act and you're actually Genghis Khan, Hitler and Franco's 3 way homosex lovechild?
 
2012-12-11 02:55:07 PM

Decillion: ... My parents had the same birthday. I thought everyone's parents had the same birthday. It never even occurred to me that this was not the case until I was 7 or 8. It was an instant shock to learn the truth. I'll never forget it. Figuring out Santa for yourself gradually is one thing but having a truth told to you is something else. My first reaction was predictable. Denial.


That's a good ^h^h^h^h cool story. No matter how our beliefs are generated, we humans do what we can to hear things to support them and getting over that is damn near impossible.

/Never thought all dads were born on Halloween. Mine was just special that way!
 
2012-12-11 03:02:40 PM
lets see. About 1/9 of all people have an IQ of 80 or below. Crudely a population with an average IQ of 80 would be 1/9 + 1/9 = 22%.

I thought that Fox was watched by 27% of news viewers.
 
2012-12-11 03:04:33 PM
Good to see Dems lying to undermine
 
2012-12-11 03:06:56 PM
the GOP. When outright fabrications are such a potent weapon, why should the Rs be the only ones to use it?
 
2012-12-11 03:07:22 PM
Of course the study was fake, but you'll never hear about in any of those liberal media sites like the Huffington Post.
 
2012-12-11 03:08:06 PM
SomeoneDumb: Decillion: ... My parents had the same birthday. I thought everyone's parents had the same birthday. It never even occurred to me that this was not the case until I was 7 or 8. It was an instant shock to learn the truth. I'll never forget it. Figuring out Santa for yourself gradually is one thing but having a truth told to you is something else. My first reaction was predictable. Denial.

That's a good ^h^h^h^h cool story. No matter how our beliefs are generated, we humans do what we can to hear things to support them and getting over that is damn near impossible.

/Never thought all dads were born on Halloween. Mine was just special that way!



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I was terrified that gorillas would kill me when I was a kid. I watched a lot of Planet of the Apes and saw a news report about guerrillas attacking a school in Rhodesia, complete with a shot of the bloody interior of the school. I just assumed my parents were aware of the gorilla threat and it was quite some time before they realized this was what I actually believed and that I was living in terror over a TV show.
 
2012-12-11 03:11:43 PM

skullkrusher: cfletch13: I don't think conservatives are dumb. Ignorant, yes. but not dumb.

More or less ignorant than people who speak in generalities, though?


I do know that only a moran speaks in absolutes.
 
2012-12-11 03:14:16 PM

Saiga410: skullkrusher: cfletch13: I don't think conservatives are dumb. Ignorant, yes. but not dumb.

More or less ignorant than people who speak in generalities, though?

I do know that only a moran speaks in absolutes.


and Sith
 
2012-12-11 03:16:12 PM

skullkrusher: Saiga410: skullkrusher: cfletch13: I don't think conservatives are dumb. Ignorant, yes. but not dumb.

More or less ignorant than people who speak in generalities, though?

I do know that only a moran speaks in absolutes.

and Sith


And digital kelvin thermometers
 
2012-12-11 03:28:02 PM

error 303: Given that IQ is generally defined to have a standard deviation of 15, and Fox News has millions of veiwers, the odds that the average IQ of Fox News watchers is 1.3 standard deviations below the average IQ of the US population are 0.00%.

It's almost a meta analysis. The "study" says that Fox News veiwers are idiots, but in turn, any one who believes the results of the study actually demonstrates a lack of intelligence.


You're right about it being incredibly unlikely that a difference this size would occur in this case, but I'm going to pedantically correct something you said anyways.

The odds that you'd see a 1.3 SD difference between two populations with millions of people are very, very unlikely to happen *by chance*. For example, the difference in average height between males and females may (I don't know the SD offhand) exceed 1.3 SD; that doesn't mean it's questionable. It just means it didn't happen by chance.

/Statistician . . . can't help being pedantic on things like this.
 
2012-12-11 03:35:57 PM
The best hoaxes are plausible, that's the genius of it.
 
2012-12-11 03:39:38 PM

make me some tea: Cewley: may be made up, but totally believable.

Not really. I know plenty of very bright people who watch FoxNews religiously. That mindset has nothing to do with intelligence, and everything to do with brainwashing.



Not so much brainwashing as it is birds of a feather flocking together.

/look at you, then look at Fark, then look at you, diamonds
 
2012-12-11 03:45:25 PM
It's actually true but in in this case IQ = Incest Quotient.
 
2012-12-11 03:51:20 PM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: Well, made up facts are a kind of facts.


Hashi Lebwohl never concerned himself with truth or lies. In his mind, there was no distinction; there were only facts.
 
2012-12-11 03:53:57 PM

Rich Cream: make me some tea: Cewley: may be made up, but totally believable.

Not really. I know plenty of very bright people who watch FoxNews religiously. That mindset has nothing to do with intelligence, and everything to do with brainwashing.


Not so much brainwashing as it is birds of a feather flocking together.

/look at you, then look at Fark, then look at you, diamonds


Well, I certainly the basis of it is a "birds of a feather", but they've taken it far, far further beyond simply attracting those who might agree. The perpetuate an alternate reality, disconnected from facts and everyone else. Perpetuating an alternate reality is the definition of brainwashing. Religious cults do it (examples: Jonestown, Warren Jeffs and FLDS). Dictators do it (examples: Nazi Germany, North Korea). I believe this may be the first example of a faction of mainstream media managing it in a western democracy, however.
 
2012-12-11 03:58:46 PM

draypresct: error 303: Given that IQ is generally defined to have a standard deviation of 15, and Fox News has millions of veiwers, the odds that the average IQ of Fox News watchers is 1.3 standard deviations below the average IQ of the US population are 0.00%.

It's almost a meta analysis. The "study" says that Fox News veiwers are idiots, but in turn, any one who believes the results of the study actually demonstrates a lack of intelligence.

You're right about it being incredibly unlikely that a difference this size would occur in this case, but I'm going to pedantically correct something you said anyways.

The odds that you'd see a 1.3 SD difference between two populations with millions of people are very, very unlikely to happen *by chance*. For example, the difference in average height between males and females may (I don't know the SD offhand) exceed 1.3 SD; that doesn't mean it's questionable. It just means it didn't happen by chance.

/Statistician . . . can't help being pedantic on things like this.


No, you're right, and I sort of thought about that when I hit post. I should really brain gooder more posting when critical of others brain goodness.

The old 'lol republicans are so dumb' vs. 'lol libruls be so dumb' meme is annoying though, and contributes to the hyper-partisanship of today's political climate, which I don't think is a good thing. I'd believe that Fox News veiwers are more uniformed than, say, people who listen to NPR, but just pointing at roughly 40% of our population and claiming they're all mouth breathing idiots isn't helping further anything.
 
2012-12-11 04:05:13 PM
I think it would be great if every discussion of Fox News, held anywhere, were to be headlined with that upskirt pic of Gretchen Carlson?

Can't we, like, make that a common thing?
 
2012-12-11 04:09:23 PM

Cythraul: It's now how big your intelligence is, it's how you use it. And in the case of Fox News watchers, it doesn't look like they're using it at all.


This.

It wasn't IQ, it was how informed you were. I'm fairly certain my SO's grandparents are brilliant - his grandfather is an amazing musician, and his grandmother is just brilliant at social interactions - which doesn't sound impressive until you realize you're nodding your head and you just agreed to buy $50 of tickets for the church raffle. She led the country in sales for a very well known company while she was working, and a good % of those were straight up cold calls. I don't have either of those skills, not by a long shot, and both require more perception and intelligence than rote book learning.

But all either of them can do when it comes to domestic or foreign issues is parrot Fox. Doesn't matter if it's true or not. Really kinda sad.
 
2012-12-11 04:18:49 PM
too high?
 
2012-12-11 04:42:41 PM

Insatiable Jesus: SomeoneDumb: Decillion: .



-----------------

I was terrified that gorillas would kill me when I was a kid. I watched a lot of Planet of the Apes and saw a news report about guerrillas attacking a school in Rhodesia, complete with a shot of the bloody interior of the school. I just assumed my parents were aware of the gorilla threat and it was quite some time before they realized this was what I actually believed and that I was living in terror over a TV show.


I was also terrified of gorillas. Gorilla warfare in Laos and Cambodia being what it was. You can imagine how much the flying monkeys in the yearly showing of The Wizard of Oz scared me.
 
2012-12-11 04:49:34 PM

Objectesticle: Believing in stupid things is not an indicator of intelligence - this guy believed in God and was very smart



[media.npr.org image 850x954]


its true but im totally flaming


"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

Link
 
2012-12-11 04:58:55 PM

HairBolus: lets see. About 1/9 of all people have an IQ of 80 or below. Crudely a population with an average IQ of 80 would be 1/9 + 1/9 = 22%.

I thought that Fox was watched by 27% of news viewers.


Fox News is watched by about three million people a day. In other words, less than 1% of people in the United States watch Fox News on any given day.
 
2012-12-11 05:07:13 PM

The Larch: HairBolus: lets see. About 1/9 of all people have an IQ of 80 or below. Crudely a population with an average IQ of 80 would be 1/9 + 1/9 = 22%.

I thought that Fox was watched by 27% of news viewers.

Fox News is watched by about three million people a day. In other words, less than 1% of people in the United States watch Fox News on any given day.


And if only one in thirty individuals are new viewers...?
 
2012-12-11 05:13:33 PM
Subby; no, in fact I've never heard of it.

We even have a greenlit on it?
 
2012-12-11 05:20:05 PM
You may have heard about the study claiming that FoxNews viewers were on average 20 points lower in IQ than the rest of us. Yeah, they made that up

I would totally believe that FoxNews viewers made that up.
 
2012-12-11 05:25:32 PM

Cewley: may be made up, but totally believable.


Not really. 20 points was just too big to be believed.

Peter von Nostrand: So they're, what 30 or 40 points below then?

deanis: Untrue because it's actually 40 points below?


Five points might be a little credible; maybe even 10, if you're talking about heavy FoxNews watchers and factor in the correlation of watching more of any TV to lower intelligence. (Really. TVHOURS versus WORDSUM.) But 20 points just didn't add up.

vartian: "Facts are obsolete," said P. Nichols


...as he conveniently overlooks how this PR stunt rapidly got fact checked, even on the couple liberal outposts which fell for it. You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but it seems more and more people are getting harder to fool for much time at all.
 
2012-12-11 05:28:13 PM
Actually, I never heard about that until reading this headline.
 
2012-12-11 05:39:51 PM

The Larch: HairBolus: lets see. About 1/9 of all people have an IQ of 80 or below. Crudely a population with an average IQ of 80 would be 1/9 + 1/9 = 22%.

I thought that Fox was watched by 27% of news viewers.

Fox News is watched by about three million people a day. In other words, less than 1% of people in the United States watch Fox News on any given day.


Yes, but every one of those people watches nothing else, and every one votes and writes letters-to-the-editor and comments on Fark etc etc. 100% pure participation.
 
2012-12-11 05:55:36 PM

The Larch: HairBolus: lets see. About 1/9 of all people have an IQ of 80 or below. Crudely a population with an average IQ of 80 would be 1/9 + 1/9 = 22%.

I thought that Fox was watched by 27% of news viewers.

Fox News is watched by about three million people a day. In other words, less than 1% of people in the United States watch Fox News on any given day.


Note I said 27% of news viewers not 27% of the population.

And BTW did you hear the whoosh of something going over your head?

This is where I got the 27% figure. It seems to be a magic number for residual crazyess - a meme going back to 2005.
Obama vs. Alan Keyes. Keyes was from out of state, so you can eliminate any established political base; both candidates were black, so you can factor out racism; and Keyes was plainly, obviously, completely crazy. Batshiat crazy. Head-trauma crazy. But 27% of the population of Illinois voted for him. They put party identification, personal prejudice, whatever ahead of rational judgement. Hell, even like 5% of Democrats voted for him. That's crazy behaviour. I think you have to assume a 27% Crazification Factor in any population.
 
2012-12-11 06:12:49 PM
Typically, this was reduced online to the idea that people who watch FOX News are dumb, dumber than the national average or that watching FOX News makes you dumber.

We didn't need a fake study to know this.It's like knowing that water is wet, or that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. Fox News viewers have repeatedly strengthened this stereotype with no real help from outside.
 
2012-12-11 07:40:15 PM
Highly intelligent people are as susceptible as anyone to the lure of crackpot ideas.

blog.ricecracker.net
 
2012-12-11 07:41:32 PM

DeaH: But the interesting part is why they made it up. This was done by people on the right...


Of _course_ it was! The bullshiat artist who created the lie in the first place said so! He's totally trustworthy. Pay no attention to the fact that he won't identify either himself or his supposed client.
 
2012-12-11 09:04:07 PM
As usual, the Republican IQ deniers are out in force in this thread.

Deniers.
 
2012-12-11 09:28:10 PM

Mikey1969: We didn't need a fake study to know this.It's like knowing that water is wet, or that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west.


An empirical question, most reliably determined by methods based on careful and genuine assessment of empirical observation?
 
2012-12-11 09:41:07 PM
You may have heard about the study claiming that FoxNews viewers were on average 20 points lower in IQ than the rest of us. Yeah, they made that up

No, I hadn't heard of that, but not being a Fox News viewer I'm smart enough to recognize right off the bat that a claim like that is pretty fishy, even if someone forwarded it to me from the internets.

jjorsett: As usual, the Republican IQ deniers are out in force in this thread.

Deniers.


Wait.... do you mean people who deny that republicans have any IQ or people who are republicans and deny that there is such a thing as IQ? Because either one would work pretty well...
 
2012-12-11 10:08:13 PM

make me some tea: Cewley: may be made up, but totally believable.

Not really. I know plenty of very bright people who watch FoxNews religiously. That mindset has nothing to do with intelligence, and everything to do with brainwashing.


That doesn't disprove the idea though. It's the average, and it was completely believable that the average Fox News viewer had an IQ of 80.
 
2012-12-11 10:26:49 PM

HairBolus: Note I said 27% of news viewers not 27% of the population.


I think the "one in four people are completely batshiat insane" meme goes back a lot farther than 2005 (although this is the first time I've seen 27%)

And I think that more than 4% of the population watches some type of news on a given day (which is what your math implies). Fox News may get the lions share of cable news viewers, but I suspect it's dwarfed by the "regular" over-the-air news programs.
 
2012-12-11 10:28:31 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Cythraul: It's now how big your intelligence is, it's how you use it. And in the case of Fox News watchers, it doesn't look like they're using it at all.

This.

It wasn't IQ, it was how informed you were. I'm fairly certain my SO's grandparents are brilliant - his grandfather is an amazing musician, and his grandmother is just brilliant at social interactions - which doesn't sound impressive until you realize you're nodding your head and you just agreed to buy $50 of tickets for the church raffle. She led the country in sales for a very well known company while she was working, and a good % of those were straight up cold calls. I don't have either of those skills, not by a long shot, and both require more perception and intelligence than rote book learning.

But all either of them can do when it comes to domestic or foreign issues is parrot Fox. Doesn't matter if it's true or not. Really kinda sad.


And yet whenever you get a little niggling that perhaps these awesomely talented and successful people, who have been on the planet more than twice as long as you have, that have lived through events you have only read about, might know a little better than you, you think . . . Nah, fark that, Fox News sucks.

Stunning.
 
2012-12-11 11:23:41 PM

Cewley: may be made up, but totally believable.


Not for be. 20 points is the difference between "normal person" and "has to live in a group home."
 
2012-12-11 11:38:41 PM

LoneWolf343: Cewley: may be made up, but totally believable.

Not for be. 20 points is the difference between "normal person" and "has to live in a group home."


Indeed. Fox bashing aside, a 20 point IQ difference in two demographics of millions of people is gigantic. The moment I read the headline I knew it had to be bogus.
 
2012-12-12 01:03:42 AM
I'll base my analysis on observational data.
 
2012-12-12 01:05:40 AM
Wow. Not one Dan Rather reference. I am disappoint.
 
2012-12-12 01:46:48 AM
Of course because everyone knows democRATS are smrtr because they are right about everything. Learned scholars are the make up on the democratic base its science.
 
2012-12-12 01:48:39 AM
Stupidity has nothing to do with intelligence. There are some quite intelligent people out there who are dumber than a sack of broken doorknobs; and some of the smartest people I ever met had tested IQs of less than 79.

So saying Fox News viewers are stupid is not necessarily wrong.
 
2012-12-12 02:05:31 AM
I'm amazed that anybody still thinks IQ has relevance.
 
2012-12-12 06:11:57 AM

Cewley: may be made up, but totally believable.


People will believe anything, either because they want it to be true or they are afraid that it might be true. -- Wizard's First Rule
 
2012-12-12 07:08:23 AM

simkatu: He was more of an Atheist Deist if anything.


FTFY
 
2012-12-12 08:17:38 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Cythraul: It's now how big your intelligence is, it's how you use it. And in the case of Fox News watchers, it doesn't look like they're using it at all.

This.

It wasn't IQ, it was how informed you were. I'm fairly certain my SO's grandparents are brilliant - his grandfather is an amazing musician, and his grandmother is just brilliant at social interactions - which doesn't sound impressive until you realize you're nodding your head and you just agreed to buy $50 of tickets for the church raffle. She led the country in sales for a very well known company while she was working, and a good % of those were straight up cold calls. I don't have either of those skills, not by a long shot, and both require more perception and intelligence than rote book learning.

But all either of them can do when it comes to domestic or foreign issues is parrot Fox. Doesn't matter if it's true or not. Really kinda sad.

And yet whenever you get a little niggling that perhaps these awesomely talented and successful people, who have been on the planet more than twice as long as you have, that have lived through events you have only read about, might know a little better than you, you think . . . Nah, fark that, Fox News sucks.

Stunning.


I love people who think that because someone has lived a long time that somehow they have attained this magical understanding and wisdom. You can look at an old person and assume one thing, that they've lived a long while. Just because someone 'experiences' things in a lifetime, it doesn't mean they learn from those experiences. And one could argue that many people who fall under the reactionary, or the 'once bitten, twice shy' category, that for those people, negative experiences are not learning experiences, they're events which they shrink from and learn to live in fear.

But you keep assuming age = wisdom.
 
2012-12-12 11:40:02 AM
Cornelius Dribble: Highly intelligent people are as susceptible as anyone to the lure of crackpot ideas.

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EZ P would be a skinhead rapper these days.
 
2012-12-12 05:24:40 PM

Cythraul: Zeb Hesselgresser: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Cythraul: It's now how big your intelligence is, it's how you use it. And in the case of Fox News watchers, it doesn't look like they're using it at all.

This.

It wasn't IQ, it was how informed you were. I'm fairly certain my SO's grandparents are brilliant - his grandfather is an amazing musician, and his grandmother is just brilliant at social interactions - which doesn't sound impressive until you realize you're nodding your head and you just agreed to buy $50 of tickets for the church raffle. She led the country in sales for a very well known company while she was working, and a good % of those were straight up cold calls. I don't have either of those skills, not by a long shot, and both require more perception and intelligence than rote book learning.

But all either of them can do when it comes to domestic or foreign issues is parrot Fox. Doesn't matter if it's true or not. Really kinda sad.

And yet whenever you get a little niggling that perhaps these awesomely talented and successful people, who have been on the planet more than twice as long as you have, that have lived through events you have only read about, might know a little better than you, you think . . . Nah, fark that, Fox News sucks.

Stunning.

I love people who think that because someone has lived a long time that somehow they have attained this magical understanding and wisdom. You can look at an old person and assume one thing, that they've lived a long while. Just because someone 'experiences' things in a lifetime, it doesn't mean they learn from those experiences. And one could argue that many people who fall under the reactionary, or the 'once bitten, twice shy' category, that for those people, negative experiences are not learning experiences, they're events which they shrink from and learn to live in fear.

But you keep assuming age = wisdom.


"Everyone you meet knows something you don't."
 
2012-12-13 01:12:27 AM

Gyrfalcon: Stupidity has nothing to do with intelligence. There are some quite intelligent people out there who are dumber than a sack of broken doorknobs; and some of the smartest people I ever met had tested IQs of less than 79.




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