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2012-12-11 02:10:03 PM
I just sorta wish comics in general were more anatomically correct. I mean, there are plenty of poses that make no sense for males or females that plague comics.
 
2012-12-11 02:12:22 PM

Theaetetus: [cdn.mommyish.com image 332x1024]
Male superheroes posed like Wonder Woman.


Glad they included Spider Jerusalem.
 
2012-12-11 02:13:43 PM

Raw_fishFood: I just sorta wish comics in general were more anatomically correct. I mean, there are plenty of poses that make no sense for males or females that plague comics.


25.media.tumblr.com

You mean women don't bend this way? Damn you, Liefeld!
 
2012-12-11 02:14:37 PM
My first girlfriend's going to look like that...
 
2012-12-11 02:14:51 PM
Oh I get it. You want women to be posed in more natural, masculine manners correct?

...I'm ok with this.

ts3.mm.bing.net
 
2012-12-11 02:15:21 PM

Mega Steve: Raw_fishFood: I just sorta wish comics in general were more anatomically correct. I mean, there are plenty of poses that make no sense for males or females that plague comics.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 454x695]

You mean women don't bend this way? Damn you, Liefeld!


Jeeze. Apparently they lack spinal chords.
 
2012-12-11 02:16:37 PM

Dafatone: That's entirely not the point. Men get to be posed in pretty much any way, from looking hot to an action shot to whatever. Women get to be hot. Furthermore, women are posed in completely impossible ways to look hot, whereas men at least get to look real.


www.dubnerdesign.com

Yeah, so real and totally possible.

Wait, why don't you just shut up? Superhero comics feature impossible bodies and poses for BOTH sexes. This just became an issue because "social justice" and "gender equality" became a thing and now everybody wants to denounce anything they "think" it's wrong just to have a soapbox.

Look at some impossible poses Spider-Man takes:

media.avclub.com


Men posing and bodies are a non-issue because men don't complain about these things.
 
2012-12-11 02:16:45 PM
img5.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-11 02:17:06 PM
F5F5F5
 
2012-12-11 02:17:10 PM
Why couldn't they have tried the original version of the Catwoman #0 cover from the New 52? Any idiot can do the hoochie squat while holding a crossbow.
 
2012-12-11 02:18:11 PM
www.theresidentarchitect.com
 
2012-12-11 02:18:49 PM

Alphax: Mega Steve: Raw_fishFood: I just sorta wish comics in general were more anatomically correct. I mean, there are plenty of poses that make no sense for males or females that plague comics.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 454x695]

You mean women don't bend this way? Damn you, Liefeld!

Jeeze. Apparently they lack spinal chords.


They had them replaced with boiled spaghetti.
 
2012-12-11 02:21:17 PM
give me biker fox any day.
 
2012-12-11 02:22:03 PM
It's almost as if comic books don't accurately reflect reality.
 
2012-12-11 02:22:20 PM

rocky_howard: Dafatone: That's entirely not the point. Men get to be posed in pretty much any way, from looking hot to an action shot to whatever. Women get to be hot. Furthermore, women are posed in completely impossible ways to look hot, whereas men at least get to look real.

[www.dubnerdesign.com image 454x610]

Yeah, so real and totally possible.

Wait, why don't you just shut up? Superhero comics feature impossible bodies and poses for BOTH sexes. This just became an issue because "social justice" and "gender equality" became a thing and now everybody wants to denounce anything they "think" it's wrong just to have a soapbox.

Look at some impossible poses Spider-Man takes:

[media.avclub.com image 627x352]


Men posing and bodies are a non-issue because men don't complain about these things.


Poses aside, the body build of many male comic heroes is just absurd. Not even with steroids could you look like that image of Captain America.
 
2012-12-11 02:23:37 PM

EatHam: give me biker fox any day.


www.theluxuryspot.com
 
2012-12-11 02:23:59 PM

Dafatone: rocky_howard: 1.- Men and Women are attracted to different things, so having Men posing like Women is idiotic. It'd be like what if we used Chinese characters to write in English?

That's entirely not the point. Men get to be posed in pretty much any way, from looking hot to an action shot to whatever. Women get to be hot. Furthermore, women are posed in completely impossible ways to look hot, whereas men at least get to look real.


You think the men in comic books look real? shiat, I need to do more sit-ups.
 
2012-12-11 02:26:04 PM

Cythraul: rocky_howard: Dafatone: That's entirely not the point. Men get to be posed in pretty much any way, from looking hot to an action shot to whatever. Women get to be hot. Furthermore, women are posed in completely impossible ways to look hot, whereas men at least get to look real.

[www.dubnerdesign.com image 454x610]

Yeah, so real and totally possible.

Wait, why don't you just shut up? Superhero comics feature impossible bodies and poses for BOTH sexes. This just became an issue because "social justice" and "gender equality" became a thing and now everybody wants to denounce anything they "think" it's wrong just to have a soapbox.

Look at some impossible poses Spider-Man takes:

[media.avclub.com image 627x352]


Men posing and bodies are a non-issue because men don't complain about these things.

Poses aside, the body build of many male comic heroes is just absurd. Not even with steroids could you look like that image of Captain America.


4.bp.blogspot.com 

/hot
//unlike these anatomical nightmares
 
2012-12-11 02:26:40 PM

Cythraul: Poses aside, the body build of many male comic heroes is just absurd. Not even with steroids could you look like that image of Captain America.


I think it's funny when the Flash and Hal Jordan look like Arnold Schwarzenegger at his prime. Why would they be muscular at all?
 
2012-12-11 02:28:45 PM
In my opinion, most of the poses the women take in those "what if men posed like women" are some of the worst female poses they could find, and most of the women look stupid too. The women in the photo in TFA? Yeah, she looks stupid.
 
2012-12-11 02:28:53 PM
Without clicking the link, I'm guessing the media-sexified female poses done by a guy look kind of gay.
 
2012-12-11 02:29:32 PM

pi8you: Cythraul: rocky_howard: Dafatone: That's entirely not the point. Men get to be posed in pretty much any way, from looking hot to an action shot to whatever. Women get to be hot. Furthermore, women are posed in completely impossible ways to look hot, whereas men at least get to look real.

[www.dubnerdesign.com image 454x610]

Yeah, so real and totally possible.

Wait, why don't you just shut up? Superhero comics feature impossible bodies and poses for BOTH sexes. This just became an issue because "social justice" and "gender equality" became a thing and now everybody wants to denounce anything they "think" it's wrong just to have a soapbox.

Look at some impossible poses Spider-Man takes:

[media.avclub.com image 627x352]


Men posing and bodies are a non-issue because men don't complain about these things.

Poses aside, the body build of many male comic heroes is just absurd. Not even with steroids could you look like that image of Captain America.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 310x237] 

/hot
//unlike these anatomical nightmares


Seriously? The image of Captain America has a point of view where you're looking at him almost directly facing his side. Arnold has somewhat turned his body towards the camera.
 
2012-12-11 02:29:43 PM

rocky_howard: Yeah, so real and totally possible.

Wait, why don't you just shut up? Superhero comics feature impossible bodies and poses for BOTH sexes. This just became an issue because "social justice" and "gender equality" became a thing and now everybody wants to denounce anything they "think" it's wrong just to have a soapbox.


Liefeld is practically cheating here. You're right that men are depicted as being impossibly built. But more often than not, they're not impossibly contorted. Meanwhile, women manage to have both breasts and ass pointed at the camera.

I mean, the Avengers poster makes it pretty obvious. Men are doing things, the woman is pointed ass-first.

Also, there's no need to be a dick.
 
2012-12-11 02:31:07 PM

Cythraul: Poses aside, the body build of many male comic heroes is just absurd. Not even with steroids could you look like that image of Captain America.


You could look like that if you took super-soldier serum. Like Captain America did.
 
2012-12-11 02:32:02 PM

amindtat: EatHam: give me biker fox any day.

[www.theluxuryspot.com image 570x531]


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-11 02:37:01 PM

Dafatone: Liefeld is practically cheating here. You're right that men are depicted as being impossibly built. But more often than not, they're not impossibly contorted. Meanwhile, women manage to have both breasts and ass pointed at the camera.

I mean, the Avengers poster makes it pretty obvious. Men are doing things, the woman is pointed ass-first.

Also, there's no need to be a dick.


Sorry for being a dick. I just get heated. *brofist*

True, but that's because women tend to be the agile type of character, while many of the men are stronghouses. But if you look at agile male characters they're just as contorted as the women. And c'mon, there's almost a religion around Nightwing's butt, so you can't say he doesn't show it.



And regarding the Avengers pic. Completely false. Sorry, but no.

1.- Scarlett Johansson is standing there. There's no way you can put her where we can't see her ample assets.

2.- It's just selective bias. Look at Hawkeye, I could say he's prominently featuring his crotch. Also, Scarlett isn't jutting her ass backwards like the guys are doing in the reverse picture and I wont' even touch the Hulk.

If someone can't make their point without resorting to distort the original picture, then it's a poor point. OF COURSE it's gonna be ridiculous if you draw it ridiculous. Such ridiculousness doesn't trace back to the original.
 
2012-12-11 02:37:03 PM

Dafatone: rocky_howard: Yeah, so real and totally possible.

Wait, why don't you just shut up? Superhero comics feature impossible bodies and poses for BOTH sexes. This just became an issue because "social justice" and "gender equality" became a thing and now everybody wants to denounce anything they "think" it's wrong just to have a soapbox.

Liefeld is practically cheating here. You're right that men are depicted as being impossibly built. But more often than not, they're not impossibly contorted. Meanwhile, women manage to have both breasts and ass pointed at the camera.

I mean, the Avengers poster makes it pretty obvious. Men are doing things, the woman is pointed ass-first.

Also, there's no need to be a dick.


Yep.
 
2012-12-11 02:37:36 PM
Nightwing Butt, missing from the previous post:

i34.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-11 02:39:24 PM
i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com

"B-b-but Spiderman~!!!! B-b-but muscles~!"

So they say, but all I hear is...

"B-b-but white people are victims of racism too! It's called reverse-racism, and it's HORRIBLE! And EVERYWHERE!"
 
2012-12-11 02:39:26 PM
Moto Corsa, a Ducati dealership, did it better, with their Manigale photos.
 
2012-12-11 02:40:55 PM
So if we've reached the point where we're complaining about how women are represented in comic books, a medium traditionally marketed to 14 year old boys, I'm going to have to assume that all gender-injustice issues have been resolved.
 
2012-12-11 02:42:51 PM

weltallica: [i.imgur.com image 640x437]

[i.imgur.com image 640x360]

"B-b-but Spiderman~!!!! B-b-but muscles~!"

So they say, but all I hear is...

"B-b-but white people are victims of racism too! It's called reverse-racism, and it's HORRIBLE! And EVERYWHERE!"


Cute, but I'm black.

Regarding the Psylocke picture. Sure, it's bad. What was your point? That the artist is bad or made a mistake there? All in all, it's a terrible pose and you won't find anyone who says it's good, so nice strawman.
 
2012-12-11 02:43:36 PM

rocky_howard: Dafatone: Liefeld is practically cheating here. You're right that men are depicted as being impossibly built. But more often than not, they're not impossibly contorted. Meanwhile, women manage to have both breasts and ass pointed at the camera.

I mean, the Avengers poster makes it pretty obvious. Men are doing things, the woman is pointed ass-first.

Also, there's no need to be a dick.

Sorry for being a dick. I just get heated. *brofist*

True, but that's because women tend to be the agile type of character, while many of the men are stronghouses. But if you look at agile male characters they're just as contorted as the women. And c'mon, there's almost a religion around Nightwing's butt, so you can't say he doesn't show it.



And regarding the Avengers pic. Completely false. Sorry, but no.

1.- Scarlett Johansson is standing there. There's no way you can put her where we can't see her ample assets.

2.- It's just selective bias. Look at Hawkeye, I could say he's prominently featuring his crotch. Also, Scarlett isn't jutting her ass backwards like the guys are doing in the reverse picture and I wont' even touch the Hulk.

If someone can't make their point without resorting to distort the original picture, then it's a poor point. OF COURSE it's gonna be ridiculous if you draw it ridiculous. Such ridiculousness doesn't trace back to the original.


Scarlett Johanson is the only personhim that pic whose ass you can see, and you can also conveniently see a very prominent sideboob profile. Hawkeye's crotch is obscured by dust particles, and there's no bulge or silhouette. Cap also lacks a bulge, which is the closest equivalent to side boob profile. Sorry, but the female in this image clearly is going for Sexy while the guys are going for Badass.
 
2012-12-11 02:43:37 PM
More Nightwing goodness:

media.comicvine.com
 
2012-12-11 02:44:45 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Scarlett Johanson is the only personhim that pic whose ass you can see, and you can also conveniently see a very prominent sideboob profile. Hawkeye's crotch is obscured by dust particles, and there's no bulge or silhouette. Cap also lacks a bulge, which is the closest equivalent to side boob profile. Sorry, but the female in this image clearly is going for Sexy while the guys are going for Badass.


Seriously, if you're going to be this disingenuous, just stop arguing...
 
2012-12-11 02:45:06 PM

rocky_howard: Dafatone: That's entirely not the point. Men get to be posed in pretty much any way, from looking hot to an action shot to whatever. Women get to be hot. Furthermore, women are posed in completely impossible ways to look hot, whereas men at least get to look real.

[www.dubnerdesign.com image 454x610]

Yeah, so real and totally possible.

...


That Captain America illustration reminds me of the Thanksgiving Turkey: huge breast created by steroidal injections and other chemical enhancements.
 
2012-12-11 02:45:33 PM

Cythraul: Seriously? The image of Captain America has a point of view where you're looking at him almost directly facing his side. Arnold has somewhat turned his body towards the camera.


Oh, I know it's not nearly 1:1, but Arnold is still pretty ridiculous there.
 
2012-12-11 02:45:45 PM

rocky_howard: More Nightwing goodness:

[media.comicvine.com image 534x641]


Cool so there's ONE male superhero that's drawn as ridiculously as 99% of the female characters are. Your argument is akin to, "but I have a black friend!"
 
2012-12-11 02:46:05 PM

rocky_howard: Dafatone: Liefeld is practically cheating here. You're right that men are depicted as being impossibly built. But more often than not, they're not impossibly contorted. Meanwhile, women manage to have both breasts and ass pointed at the camera.

I mean, the Avengers poster makes it pretty obvious. Men are doing things, the woman is pointed ass-first.

Also, there's no need to be a dick.

Sorry for being a dick. I just get heated. *brofist*

True, but that's because women tend to be the agile type of character, while many of the men are stronghouses. But if you look at agile male characters they're just as contorted as the women. And c'mon, there's almost a religion around Nightwing's butt, so you can't say he doesn't show it.



And regarding the Avengers pic. Completely false. Sorry, but no.

1.- Scarlett Johansson is standing there. There's no way you can put her where we can't see her ample assets.

2.- It's just selective bias. Look at Hawkeye, I could say he's prominently featuring his crotch. Also, Scarlett isn't jutting her ass backwards like the guys are doing in the reverse picture and I wont' even touch the Hulk.

If someone can't make their point without resorting to distort the original picture, then it's a poor point. OF COURSE it's gonna be ridiculous if you draw it ridiculous. Such ridiculousness doesn't trace back to the original.


I do think that comics are a somewhat misunderstood genre here, in that there's a lot of parody of this phenomenon that isn't recognized. You get characters drawn as an intended mocking of Liefeld, for example, and a lot of the criticism comes from people who aren't deeply versed enough to note these things. I'll admit I'm closer to that category.

But as to the Avengers poster, we'll have to agree to disagree. Sure, you're going to show Scarlett Johansson's ass. But this makes her the only character with her back to the camera. Some men are posed suggestively, but Thor for example isn't. He's still a ripped Norse dude, so he's still looking pretty great, but it's not like he's thrust crotch first. If there's one woman and she's turned around to show off her behind, that's kind of a problem, is all.

/Is crotch emphasis really the way guys get sexualized anyway?
 
2012-12-11 02:47:59 PM

Mike Chewbacca: rocky_howard: More Nightwing goodness:

[media.comicvine.com image 534x641]

Cool so there's ONE male superhero that's drawn as ridiculously as 99% of the female characters are. Your argument is akin to, "but I have a black friend!"


Nope. Every time you use that word, your argument loses all its weight.
 
2012-12-11 02:48:33 PM
www.howaboutwe.com 

Disapproves of unrealistic imagery used to sell things to a particular demographic.
(hot like Fabio)
 
2012-12-11 02:49:19 PM

rocky_howard: Mike Chewbacca: Scarlett Johanson is the only personhim that pic whose ass you can see, and you can also conveniently see a very prominent sideboob profile. Hawkeye's crotch is obscured by dust particles, and there's no bulge or silhouette. Cap also lacks a bulge, which is the closest equivalent to side boob profile. Sorry, but the female in this image clearly is going for Sexy while the guys are going for Badass.

Seriously, if you're going to be this disingenuous, just stop arguing...


If the brown particulate floating around in the image obscuring Hawkeye's crotch isn't dust, then what is it? And again, there's no bulge and no profile. It's just a flat area where his legs meet up with his torso. Same goes for Cappy.
 
2012-12-11 02:50:14 PM

Dafatone: I do think that comics are a somewhat misunderstood genre here, in that there's a lot of parody of this phenomenon that isn't recognized. You get characters drawn as an intended mocking of Liefeld, for example, and a lot of the criticism comes from people who aren't deeply versed enough to note these things. I'll admit I'm closer to that category.

But as to the Avengers poster, we'll have to agree to disagree. Sure, you're going to show Scarlett Johansson's ass. But this makes her the only character with her back to the camera. Some men are posed suggestively, but Thor for example isn't. He's still a ripped Norse dude, so he's still looking pretty great, but it's not like he's thrust crotch first. If there's one woman and she's turned around to show off her behind, that's kind of a problem, is all.

/Is crotch emphasis really the way guys get sexualized anyway?


I'm not opposed to your analysis of the real poster. What I'm opposed to is the reverse poster. That's blatantly lying. Not your fault, of course..
 
2012-12-11 02:50:19 PM

LectertheChef: Moto Corsa, a Ducati dealership, did it better, with their Manigale photos.


Fantastic! Guys cheated by wearing 2.5" or so heels while the singular female model was wearing 5"+ heels.
 
2012-12-11 02:50:58 PM
Old insights are so exciting!

Art Historian Linda Nochlin famously made this kind of comparison in an essay from 1971. She compared a nudie photo from the early late 19th century of a chick serving her tits up on a tray with apples (The title is "Buy my Apples") with a photograph of a hippie friend of hers that she titled "Buy my Bananas." You can imagine what the latter looks like. Click here to see the mildly NSFW image.
 
2012-12-11 02:51:18 PM

rocky_howard: Mike Chewbacca: rocky_howard: More Nightwing goodness:

[media.comicvine.com image 534x641]

Cool so there's ONE male superhero that's drawn as ridiculously as 99% of the female characters are. Your argument is akin to, "but I have a black friend!"

Nope. Every time you use that word, your argument loses all its weight.


You have a problem with my use of the word ridiculous? So you don't think that Nightwing image is absolutely ridiculous?
 
2012-12-11 02:52:21 PM

farkingnotworking: Old insights are so exciting!

Art Historian Linda Nochlin famously made this kind of comparison in an essay from 1971. She compared a nudie photo from the early late 19th century of a chick serving her tits up on a tray with apples (The title is "Buy my Apples") with a photograph of a hippie friend of hers that she titled "Buy my Bananas." You can imagine what the latter looks like. Click here to see the mildly NSFW image.


/ftfm.
 
2012-12-11 02:52:22 PM

Mike Chewbacca: If the brown particulate floating around in the image obscuring Hawkeye's crotch isn't dust, then what is it? And again, there's no bulge and no profile. It's just a flat area where his legs meet up with his torso. Same goes for Cappy.


It's not obscuring anything, that's just a lame excuse.

And Scarlett's is just the area where her legs meet.

Also notice that even in the reverse pic you can see her ample breasts, so is that also sexist?
 
2012-12-11 02:53:11 PM

farkingnotworking: Old insights are so exciting!

Art Historian Linda Nochlin famously made this kind of comparison in an essay from 1971. She compared a nudie photo from the early late 19th century of a chick serving her tits up on a tray with apples (The title is "Buy my Apples") with a photograph of a hippie friend of hers that she titled "Buy my Bananas." You can imagine what the latter looks like. Click here to see the mildly NSFW image.


Full frontal nudity is MILDLY not safe for work?

/cool find, though
 
2012-12-11 02:54:12 PM
Comic book raging and no .gif of Joker eating popcorn?
 
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