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(Some WSJ Reposter)   Peggy Noonan has had a month to heal from one of the worst political predictions of 2012, still thinks America is a center-right country, admits her sky might be a little less pink than she had believed   (politicalnewsnow.com) divider line 87
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2012-12-11 01:46:20 PM
Mitt Romney's assumed base did not fully emerge, or rather emerged as smaller than it used to be. He appears to have received fewer votes than John McCain.

Old white racists are dying....
 
2012-12-11 01:47:02 PM

bobbette: DubyaHater: What the fark was that? That article explained nothing. If she was trying to make a point, she missed wide right. Go back to bed Peggy. We'll wake you up in four years.

Peggy's columns are like four Inception levels deep of vague. She usually has about one point per extensive paragraph of verbose, meandering prose.

Her points:
1. Voters are naturally Republican and embrace Republican values like low taxes (as Peggy defines it, the "center-right" equilibrium) but the GOP campaigned stupidly and were wrong about where they should have been finding votes, ie you can't win an election in America just by winning old white people, anymore. "The base" has shrunk relative to the whole population.
2. Obama campaigned harder and better, and that is the only reason why Peggy was wrong in her election forecasting. Peggy was right on the values, but she was defeated by Obama's army of technical GOTV wizards and their enthusiasm gappery.
3. "People standing in the crowd react while watching election results displayed on a television." (???)


That makes sense.

I'm just wondering how many times a right-wing pundit has to say "I guess we learned that you motivate voters to vote, voters will vote"? Noonan is just rehashing the same crap that's been spewed since November 7th. I get it, Obama's team had a great ground game and the electorate is changing.
Are these people being paid by every letter typed? Or is this therapy for the losing side? shiat, at this point, the antics of a certain lawyer/dentist is a breath of fresh air from the Grand Ole Losers.
 
2012-12-11 01:47:47 PM

tallguywithglasseson: -America is a center-right country
-Obama is a far-left Marxist Socialist

Given that Obama won re-election handily, have fun trying to keep these thoughts in your head simultaneously, right-wingers.


Cognitive dissonance is a pre-requisite for advocating for both fiscal conservatism small government and social conservatism big brother.
 
2012-12-11 01:49:35 PM
We are a center right country on fiscal measures and pretty moderate/leaning left on social issues, but that center right is perceived by the far right as the utmost expression of socialism the world has ever seen.
 
2012-12-11 01:49:49 PM
I loved the first two paragraphs. In summary: Everything I said was wrong--but I'm still right.

In a weird way, this is the end result of two decades of feel-good education. If it feels good and it feels right, it doesn't matter if it's true has finally taken root in today's Republicans. No! I want to believe Americans really do think the way I do! They really DID vote for my candidate, just not quite as much as I wanted them to! We really do run the country, just not quite as much as we really think we do! I FEEL it, so it has to be true!! Right? Please?

And feel-good Republicans like Noonan just can't seem to figure out why it's not working like she was promised it would.
 
2012-12-11 01:55:47 PM
Yes it feels like that if you live in a red state

Lives in a red state

Most people live in a blue state. This would seem to lead to a logical conclusion that somehow escapes the Peg
 
2012-12-11 02:00:13 PM
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Peg is disappointed in Peg.

// "Aaaaaallllll, I want taaaaaaaaaaaaaax cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuts!"
// "No, Peg."
 
2012-12-11 02:00:14 PM

shower_in_my_socks: How will you ever know what a paid shill like Peggy Noonan REALLY thinks?

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Only in the world of the rightwing media can you be proven so spectacularly wrong, and so spectacularly two-faced, time and time again, and still continue to have a career.


So I am not the only one who immediately thinks of that when I hear Peggy Noonan's name. I am convinced all punditry is the same, lights go on they play a role, lights go off they say what they really think.
 
2012-12-11 02:01:50 PM
We used to call her Peggy Nooner, if you know what I mean and I think you do.
 
2012-12-11 02:08:59 PM
Peggy who?
 
2012-12-11 02:17:04 PM

More_Like_A_Stain: Kittypie070: STRUT!! STRUT!!

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it works best if you do it kinda like a cheerleader chant.
 
2012-12-11 02:19:19 PM

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: America IS a center-right nation, relatively speaking.

The problem is that the Republicans are nowhere hear the center and keep screaming for the heads of any of their own who wander anywhere near it.


Basically this.

I agree that America is a Center-Right country. It's just that people like Noonan have no farking clue what center-right actually is.
 
2012-12-11 02:20:14 PM
President Obama did not lose, he won. It was not all that close. There was enthusiasm on his side. Mitt Romney's assumed base did not fully emerge, or rather emerged as smaller than it used to be. He appears to have received fewer votes than John McCain. The last rallies of his campaign neither signaled nor reflected a Republican resurgence. Mr Romney's air of peaceful dynamism was the product of a false optimism that, in the closing days, buoyed some conservatives and swept some Republicans. While GOP voters were proud to assert their support with lawn signs, Democratic professionals were quietly organizing, data mining and turning out the vote. Their effort was a bit of a masterpiece; it will likely change national politics forever. Mr. Obama was perhaps not joyless but dogged, determined, and tired.

Apart from those points, everything in my blog post of Nov. 5 stands.


I'm not going to look up her Nov 5th posting but I gather from her disclaimer that she said:

- Obama would lose
- It would be a close race ending in Romney's favor
- There was zero enthusiasm for Obama
- Romney's base was energized and would turn out in record numbers
- This was a turning point for a republican thousand years of rule
- The Obama campaign was a train wreck

So, apart from those points everything in her Nov 5th post stands? Phew, glad you cleared that up for us.
 
2012-12-11 03:07:02 PM
Reality is hard. And the R-ape party still thinks of it as black magic.
 
2012-12-11 03:08:00 PM
Middle Class Americans voting for rich men who are doing everything they can to destroy the Middle Class isn't right of center, it's false consciousness.
 
2012-12-11 03:19:32 PM
To this day, to this very minute, the GOP is fully in denial about the election.

"The voters didn't reject our values and our policies. It was just really good, strategic gamesmanship by Team Obama, and all the gifts they offered to the filthy non-whites. But America is still on our side, and we'll get 'em next time!"

No. Next time, it'll be a lot worse. Trust me.
 
2012-12-11 03:43:11 PM

shower_in_my_socks: Only in the world of the rightwing media can you be proven so spectacularly wrong, and so spectacularly two-faced, time and time again, and still continue to have a career.


It's gotta be the Reagan jizz, then.
 
2012-12-11 03:49:50 PM
However they also believe Republicans caused the economic mess in the first place and might do it again, cannot be trusted to care about cutting spending in a way that is remotely concerned about who it hurts, and are retrograde to the point of caricature on everything else.

Only because it's completely true...
 
2012-12-11 04:38:56 PM

Mr_Fabulous: To this day, to this very minute, the GOP is fully in denial about the election.

"The voters didn't reject our values and our policies. It was just really good, strategic gamesmanship by Team Obama, and all the gifts they offered to the filthy non-whites. But America is still on our side, and we'll get 'em next time!"

No. Next time, it'll be a lot worse. Trust me.


"Meanwhile, we'll do everything we can in the House to block any legislation larger than recognizing National Parsnip Month and hope that the SCOTUS continues to wrench the country back to the halcyon days of the Reagan Pontificate, I mean, Presidency."
 
2012-12-11 05:07:28 PM
This country is pretty much center / center right leaning.

There really isn't a major liberal or progressive party.

The current Dem party is what the republicans used to be like before the religious crazies got a hold on the party. So they have been able to steer the country right on many topics.

It wasn't that long ago that Dems were frothing at the mouth with illegal wiretapping by the Bush admin. Obama assassinates people with no due process (and continues the wiretapping) = move to the right

Bank bailouts / too big to fail = move to the right

Obama talked populist in his first election and then quickly moved right to get elected in the general election.

The conversation is almost always on the rights terms. Hell even the dems are taking on right language, you see everyone refer to social security as an "entitlement", medicare as an "entitlement" I can assure you that language did not come from the left.
 
2012-12-11 05:13:14 PM
Considering the source, it's actually a pretty good article:

"The Democrats stayed hungry and keenly alive to the facts on the ground. The Republicans worked hard but were less clear-eyed in their survey of the field. America has changed and is changing, culturally, ethnically-we all know this. Republican candidates and professionals will have to put aside their pride, lose their assumptions, and in the future work harder, better, go broader and deeper."

This is a larger admission that you'll get from most of the GOP.
 
2012-12-11 05:18:30 PM

Flaming Yawn: "Meanwhile, we'll do everything we can in the House to block any legislation larger than recognizing National Parsnip Month and hope that the SCOTUS continues to wrench the country back to the halcyon days of the Reagan Pontificate, I mean, Presidency."


Parsnips? That doesn't sound like anything a Real American would eat. Elistist Marxist fascist socalest.
 
2012-12-11 05:29:38 PM
Not to get all mathy, but isn't the country as a whole just "center" pretty much by definition?
 
2012-12-11 05:31:43 PM

Tedlick: America is a center-right nation, and it re-elected the center-right candidate.


Exactly. Obama personally actually is a socialist. You got to be to one to work for PRIG. He's also smart enough to know that regardless of what he thinks personally power only comes to those who represent the masses.

To me Obama has always been just another political fraud. He had to make the choice to fight for what he believed in or grab power. He chose to grab power. How can it be shocking to anyone who even considered the matter for one nanosecond to think he wasn't going to out there hustling for every vote?
 
2012-12-11 05:54:01 PM
America really is a center-right country. That's why guys like W and Reagan get elected. And by "center right" I mean voters. The ones that are apathetic, well they don't care as long as it doesn't affect the things they want.

However, having said that, the GOP run the worse possible candidate they could have against Obama. That right there is probably what caused the loss of 2012. Of course, they didn't really have much to chose from did they?
 
2012-12-11 06:41:27 PM

kindms: The current Dem party is what the republicans used to be like before the religious crazies got a hold on the party. So they have been able to steer the country right on many topics.


I'm sorry, but I don't really ever remember the Democratic president supporting gay marriage before. Or union rights.
 
2012-12-11 06:43:10 PM
"NOONAN:: 'People Are Afraid of Change' - WSJ"

No, conservatives are afraid of change.

This is one of the basic concepts of this book:
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2012-12-11 08:00:18 PM

Mr_Fabulous: To this day, to this very minute, the GOP is fully in denial about the election.

"The voters didn't reject our values and our policies. It was just really good, strategic gamesmanship by Team Obama, and all the gifts they offered to the filthy non-whites. But America is still on our side, and we'll get 'em next time!"

No. Next time, it'll be a lot worse. Trust me.


I am bookmarking this and saving it for the day I decide to call up the bloviating Tea Party morning AM radio show on my way to work. The only thing I might add is that the GOP minions truly believe that ACORN is still operating as a viable underground organization capable of altering an election at the ballot box.

And then I will laugh my girlish little laugh.
 
2012-12-11 09:15:36 PM
She's fundamentally wrong. She knows it. Ever since Clinton won with triangulation, the GOP has ceded the middle and worked from the far-right inward.
That's good for getting local kooks into Congress, but it's been a failure at electing presidents. Look what's happened since 1992. Only George Wartime Bush has won the popular vote.
Noonan has never been anything but a cheerleader. Her job is to convince radicals that they are the vanguard of the majority.
 
2012-12-11 09:20:13 PM
America is a center-right nation [...] Except for the demographics

WAT?
 
2012-12-11 09:26:48 PM
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2012-12-11 09:47:38 PM
Peggy Noonan: "People are afraid of change"

The Rest of the Country: "No, we just hate you, your politics, your sociopath candidates, your weird hairdo, your affected vocal mannerisms, your inflated ego, your less than insightful insights and the biased news organizations you draw paychecks from when they print your bile. Other than that, we guess you are ok."
 
2012-12-11 10:26:21 PM

Tedlick: America is a center-right nation, and it re-elected the center-right candidate.


The problem is that the GOP didn't run a center right candidate this time around, the Democrats did, and he was reelected. The GOP ran the right-wing nut job they rejected four years prior.
 
2012-12-11 11:48:12 PM

Flab: America is a center-right nation [...] Except for the demographics

WAT?


I would submit that people are much more liberal than their government.

The right wingers yell the most to keep things the same, so the impression outsiders get is that we are a right-leaning nation.

Which we are in a superficial sense. Beneath that surface, people are tired of the same old conservative institutions being the dominant paradigm. and tend to want social services, safety nets, living wages, healthcare, etc...

Sorry if I ended up confusing you worse.
 
2012-12-12 01:53:49 AM

the opposite of charity is justice: President Obama did not lose, he won. It was not all that close. There was enthusiasm on his side. Mitt Romney's assumed base did not fully emerge, or rather emerged as smaller than it used to be. He appears to have received fewer votes than John McCain. The last rallies of his campaign neither signaled nor reflected a Republican resurgence. Mr Romney's air of peaceful dynamism was the product of a false optimism that, in the closing days, buoyed some conservatives and swept some Republicans. While GOP voters were proud to assert their support with lawn signs, Democratic professionals were quietly organizing, data mining and turning out the vote. Their effort was a bit of a masterpiece; it will likely change national politics forever. Mr. Obama was perhaps not joyless but dogged, determined, and tired.

Apart from those points, everything in my blog post of Nov. 5 stands.

I'm not going to look up her Nov 5th posting but I gather from her disclaimer that she said:

- Obama would lose
- It would be a close race ending in Romney's favor
- There was zero enthusiasm for Obama
- Romney's base was energized and would turn out in record numbers
- This was a turning point for a republican thousand years of rule
- The Obama campaign was a train wreck

So, apart from those points everything in her Nov 5th post stands? Phew, glad you cleared that up for us.


"Everything I said was wrong; but other than that, I was right!"

The reason for Hurricane Sandy was the dissonance of Noonan's brain hitting that northern cold front.
 
2012-12-12 07:34:12 AM
Off topic, but I think I may have gotten through to my grandmother on Fox news. She said they were balanced, and I told her that a bias you share is not a lack of bias.

She didn't have an answer for that.
 
2012-12-12 01:08:06 PM

Gyrfalcon: I loved the first two paragraphs. In summary: Everything I said was wrong--but I'm still right.

In a weird way, this is the end result of two decades of feel-good education. If it feels good and it feels right, it doesn't matter if it's true has finally taken root in today's Republicans. No! I want to believe Americans really do think the way I do! They really DID vote for my candidate, just not quite as much as I wanted them to! We really do run the country, just not quite as much as we really think we do! I FEEL it, so it has to be true!! Right? Please?

And feel-good Republicans like Noonan just can't seem to figure out why it's not working like she was promised it would.


Disagree. This is the *cause* of feel-good education. She's 62 (ish? I think? I wanna say 1950 birthday). Hers is the generation that set the curriculum for the last 20 years. She just knows her audience will react best to raw authority. I knew Reagan. I'm a senior fellow at the Manhattan institute. Therefore, no matter how wrong I am, you should still listen to me.
 
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