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(The New York Times)   College athletes at major schools are qualifying for bowls by getting A's from on-line courses like "how to open Windows folders" and "tell us about your favorite vitamins" from Western Oklahoma State College Online School of Eligibility Learin'   (nytimes.com) divider line 66
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2012-12-11 12:51:14 PM  
University of Phoenix A+ Bowl?
 
2012-12-11 01:00:48 PM  
Why are we surprised. Educational accrediation is now a commodity, and so someone had to open Walmarts and convenience stores to sell it.

This is what we wanted, right?
 
2012-12-11 01:01:49 PM  

FormlessOne: Why are we surprised? Educational accreditation is now a commodity, and so someone had to open Walmarts and convenience stores to sell it.

This is what we wanted, right?


FTFM. Can't seem to type this morning...
 
2012-12-11 01:02:53 PM  
"what i love most about propane" by david kalaiki-alii. strickland propene does not have a vending machine. it smells, and I thank god every day i get home that I didn't get exploded. the end.
 
2012-12-11 01:03:32 PM  
Get sports out of colleges.
 
2012-12-11 01:04:51 PM  

FormlessOne: FormlessOne: Why are we surprised? Educational accreditation is now a commodity, and so someone had to open Walmarts and convenience stores to sell it.

This is what we wanted, right?

FTFM. Can't seem to type this morning...


You spotted the error! Hooray! A+ for you!

You may now play quarterback for Alabama.
 
2012-12-11 01:06:39 PM  

The Muthaship: Get sports out of colleges.


The problem, as per the article, is the colleges, not the sports.
 
2012-12-11 01:08:35 PM  

IAmRight: The Muthaship: Get sports out of colleges.

The problem, as per the article, is the colleges, not the sports.


Is that what you got out of it? I got that in the name of sports, colleges will compromise their ethics and harm their students.
 
2012-12-11 01:08:38 PM  
Sounds like this school is regionally accredited if their audit isn't until 2017 and most times state schools are also regionally accredited. This typically allows credit transfers to be easier, but it's always at the receiving school's discretion. Instead of getting pissed at the small school in Oklahoma, maybe look into your transfer credit policy.
 
2012-12-11 01:09:10 PM  
It's cheaper than paying them like the SEC does.
 
2012-12-11 01:19:11 PM  
They all cant be rocket surgeons.
 
2012-12-11 01:19:39 PM  

WTF Indeed: It's cheaper than paying them like the SEC all DIvision-1 schools do.


FTFY.
 
2012-12-11 01:22:34 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: They all cant be rocket surgeons.


Here's what a football player told one of our faculty several years ago, after he had bombed a Chemistry exam: "Coach, some of us cut out for this education sh*t, some of us ain't."

The professor said that was the best answer a student had ever given him. Direct and honest.
 
2012-12-11 01:25:34 PM  

The Muthaship: IAmRight: The Muthaship: Get sports out of colleges.

The problem, as per the article, is the colleges, not the sports.

Is that what you got out of it? I got that in the name of sports, colleges will compromise their ethics and harm their students.


Only when there's money involved. Smaller-school athletics (read: not Big10/Pac12/SEC etc.) are usually pretty clean, and the athletes at the lower levels are about as academically successful than their non-sports-playing peers. Frankly, they have to be, because nobody at those lower levels is going to go pro.

CSB: I was on a small-college varsity athletic team for all 4 years, and both the men's and women's teams in my sport (swimming) had team GPAs that were slightly higher than the average for the student body. And yes, we took the same courses in the same majors as everyone else---no special treatment at all.

My point is that sports aren't the evil here. The pressure to sacrifice academic integrity for athletic success (which is driven by money) is the real problem. Big-time athletics programs either need to drop the facade and just become minor-league professional teams, OR start valuing academics enough to let the athletic quality suffer.
 
2012-12-11 01:30:10 PM  

The Muthaship: Is that what you got out of it? I got that in the name of sports, colleges will compromise their ethics and harm their students.


Did you get your degree from Eastern Oklahoma State University? Western a big rival for you in the non-education biz? The only way you could draw that conclusion is by reading only the parts you want to and ignoring the story.
 
2012-12-11 01:30:37 PM  
Well the school with the highest grad rate in the country is playing for the national championship and they didn't have to rely on online classes to do it.

If athletes are motivated to perform well on the field, it can't be that hard to get them motivated to perform well off of it. The sad thing is that some of these schools actually want some of their (bad) players to become academically ineligble so they can free up scholarships for other players.
 
2012-12-11 01:31:21 PM  
As someone who um... knows a guy who wasn't an athlete but studied abroad at a UK University who offered a master's degree in surfing and took a Geography Field Survey course there that was 14 days long in Ireland that counted for 6 credit hours and involved mostly drinking Guiness, I'm getting a placekick out of these replies...

/It ain't just athletes that take advantage of weird credit transfer benefits
 
2012-12-11 01:31:51 PM  
We call that the SEC subby.
 
2012-12-11 01:33:39 PM  
Can we stop pretending that these are "student" athletes now? Men's college football and basketball have grown beyond recreational activities. No, I don't advocate for paying players (they get many benefits that other students would love...not being in debt the rest of their lives is one of them if they choose to take their education seriously). However, the only way to really "fix" this system is to remove them from college completely, and create a minor league farm system. But the big colleges and cities they are located in won't ever let that happen, so it's permanently broken. But I don't care if these people get meaningless degrees...lots of people pay money for meaningless degrees everyday. It's the athlete's choice.
 
2012-12-11 01:33:41 PM  

IAmRight: The only way you could draw that conclusion is by reading only the parts you want to and ignoring the story.


You think Western is the only one to blame here? I'd say they are factually less culpable, even though what they are doing is despicable.

I know your view on this topic, I don't need to hang out in this thread while you post it in 75 versions which vary microscopically, if at all.
 
2012-12-11 01:34:45 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: CSB: I was on a small-college varsity athletic team for all 4 years, and both the men's and women's teams in my sport (swimming) had team GPAs that were slightly higher than the average for the student body. And yes, we took the same courses in the same majors as everyone else---no special treatment at all.


This is true across the board - student athletes have better graduation rates, attendance rates, and GPAs than the average student. The problem is that people who are against it will compare the least-motivated student-athletes who literally are going professional in football to students that actually DO put in effort.

HMS_Blinkin: The pressure to sacrifice academic integrity for athletic success (which is driven by money) is the real problem.


Again, along with the rest of the article - the pressure to sacrifice academic integrity for academic success is also the real problem. Especially among expensive places - tough to sell kids on "hey, come here and bust your ass for several years and you might get honor roll," especially when the students have been getting straight A's their whole life and their parents aren't going to tolerate less.
 
2012-12-11 01:36:19 PM  

The Muthaship: You think Western is the only one to blame here? I'd say they are factually less culpable, even though what they are doing is despicable.


No, the point of the article is that all university standards aren't held to any particular standard, that course hours are a terrible way to measure learning, and that there's currently a huge problem with inflated grading because of pressures to make money (within and without athletics).
 
2012-12-11 01:42:08 PM  
www.fatpickled.com

Sees nothing wrong with this.....
 
2012-12-11 01:43:33 PM  

Hydra: FormlessOne: FormlessOne: Why are we surprised? Educational accreditation is now a commodity, and so someone had to open Walmarts and convenience stores to sell it.

This is what we wanted, right?

FTFM. Can't seem to type this morning...

You spotted the error! Hooray! A+ for you!

You may now play quarterback for Alabama.


I tried, but I couldn't bring myself to move to Alabama. I'd be the one-eyed king there.
 
2012-12-11 01:43:46 PM  

IAmRight: there's currently a huge problem with inflated grading because of pressures to make money (within and without athletics).


That's a whole separate issue, but it is true. Ever since it was decided that everyone must go to college, education has been devalued.
 
2012-12-11 01:48:47 PM  

The Muthaship: That's a whole separate issue, but it is true.


I know it's true. But that's what the article is about. They just used this sports-related story as a news hook so they could pretend the article was timely (as though it hasn't been happening for years).
 
2012-12-11 01:58:07 PM  
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Football needs a minor league that isn't tied to an educational institution. In hockey or baseball, you can go from high school to a minor league if you don't want to/can't go to college. Forcing an athlete with no interest in education to go to school just so he can play football is asinine. It damages the credibility of the school and wastes everyone's time.
 
2012-12-11 01:58:35 PM  
FTFA: A landmark book published last year, "Academically Adrift," found that many students at traditional colleges showed no improvement in critical thinking, complex reasoning and writing, and spent their time socializing, working or wasting time instead of studying.[/i

Book titles are underlined or italicized, Chronicle of Higher Education, not put in quotes like a journal article.
 
2012-12-11 01:59:10 PM  
oopsie!
 
2012-12-11 01:59:53 PM  
The world needs ditch-diggers too.
The access to college education is often devalued when the whole "atheletes should be paid" agruement starts. The student /athletes are given a tremendous opportunity, they should take full advantage of it. By coasting through they are cheating themselves.(and their 7 kids and 6 baby mamas)
 
2012-12-11 02:02:00 PM  

LeafyGreens: FTFA: A landmark book published last year, "Academically Adrift," found that many students at traditional colleges showed no improvement in critical thinking, complex reasoning and writing, and spent their time socializing, working or wasting time instead of studying.[/i

Book titles are underlined or italicized, Chronicle of Higher Education, not put in quotes like a journal article.


That's way too long a book title. No one's going to buy that.
 
2012-12-11 02:04:52 PM  
BTW, you don't underline or italicize in AP style.
 
2012-12-11 02:18:01 PM  

uberaverage: The world needs ditch-diggers too.
The access to college education is often devalued when the whole "atheletes should be paid" agruement starts. The student /athletes are given a tremendous opportunity, they should take full advantage of it. By coasting through they are cheating themselves.(and their 7 kids and 6 baby mamas)


The college football programs aren't going away, and they're not giving up the money.

Why not just decouple the football programs from the colleges themselves? The colleges no longer have to pay for squat if they don't feel like it, they get the prestige attached to the team... and meanwhile, no more dedicated football scholarships. If a college student wishes to play football, great, but that's no longer the reason he is enrolled and he does so outside of NCAA regulations, meaning he can be paid, but the college offers no protection against bad grades. And he has to compete for a spot on the team against not only his fellow students, but also against all the ex-college players who are not currently in the NFL and want to get back.

Hi, UNAM. Hi, UANL. Hi, Universidad de Chile. Hi, Hamilton Academical. Hi. Bidvest Wits.
 
2012-12-11 02:19:20 PM  

IAmRight: LeafyGreens: FTFA: A landmark book published last year, "Academically Adrift," found that many students at traditional colleges showed no improvement in critical thinking, complex reasoning and writing, and spent their time socializing, working or wasting time instead of studying.[/i

Book titles are underlined or italicized, Chronicle of Higher Education, not put in quotes like a journal article.

That's way too long a book title. No one's going to buy that.


I said oopsie!
 
2012-12-11 02:20:42 PM  

Gosling: Why not just decouple the football programs from the colleges themselves?


You kill off all the other college sports by doing that.
 
2012-12-11 02:34:32 PM  
Just let them major in football already.
 
2012-12-11 02:38:43 PM  
For some "institutions of higher learning", graduating students that can open a Windows folder might be an improvement.
 
2012-12-11 02:45:25 PM  

meanmutton: WTF Indeed: It's cheaper than paying them like the SEC all DIvision-1 schools do.

FTFY.


Not true, sir! I can assure you that no students from Penn State nor Ohio State will play in a bowl this year having boosted their grades with shoddy, online coursework!
 
2012-12-11 03:06:16 PM  

Blues_X: Here's what a football player told one of our faculty several years ago, after he had bombed a Chemistry exam: "Coach, some of us cut out for this education sh*t, some of us ain't."

The professor said that was the best answer a student had ever given him. Direct and honest.




It's the truth! I've never understood that people say "Well she only get that because of her looks" well guess what looks are important for some things. You never hear "She only got that because of her brains!". If you're job is to sell cloths at the mall well it works better if you look good in those outfits! Same here. Some of those guys only shot is in professional sports and or jobs where the celebrity from those sports are a major factor (ie: sales). Why penalize someone because they have no interest or ability at school?

It would be different if they had a minor league for football and/or drafted them right out of high school
 
2012-12-11 03:06:51 PM  

The Muthaship: Get sports out of colleges.


Ain't nevah gonna happen.

So failing that...

Let's just stop the charade of these athletes being in college for actual college learning and perhaps give them a special set of classes that will actually help them later in life, like, "how to drive a Ferrari without bending it around a street pole" or "how to choose a trophy wife" or most importantly "how to avoid agents that royally screw you up the ass."
 
2012-12-11 03:23:39 PM  
Remember, a secondary education is priceless, and is worth every penny of its ever-increasing tuition. Unless you're great at a child's game, in which case, you've clearly proven your scholarly merit. College is a goddam scam and a half.
 
2012-12-11 03:36:51 PM  
It's long past time to end this farcical charade where we pretend these are "student-athletes."

College Football and Basketball, in the top divisions, are basically minor leagues and developmental leagues for the NFL and NBA.

The NFL and NBA should fund their own prospect development and minor league system the way that baseball and hockey have, and stop corrupting higher education with what is essentially minor pro sports, where everyone makes huge sums of money except the athletes, who don't get paid.
 
2012-12-11 03:57:07 PM  

divgradcurl: "what i love most about propane" by david kalaiki-alii. strickland propene does not have a vending machine. it smells, and I thank god every day i get home that I didn't get exploded. the end.


koth references always win the thread
 
2012-12-11 04:07:13 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: We call that the SEC subby.


Its funny since only an ACC school was mentioned.
 
2012-12-11 04:09:36 PM  

InfrasonicTom: Just let them major in football already.


With a minor in avoidin' those damn hos!
 
2012-12-11 04:10:10 PM  
Good thing I went to a properly accredited school, Hollywood Upstairs Medical School.
 
2012-12-11 04:11:18 PM  

PowerSlacker: You kill off all the other college sports by doing that.


You also lop thousands of dollars off tuition costs. What's more important?
 
2012-12-11 04:17:22 PM  

Gosling: PowerSlacker: You kill off all the other college sports by doing that.

You also lop thousands of dollars off tuition costs. What's more important?


You think they are gonna give up money they have been charging? You must be mad.
 
2012-12-11 04:18:10 PM  

Gosling: You also lop thousands of dollars off tuition costs. What's more important?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA you think that tuition will go down
 
2012-12-11 05:08:48 PM  
of course this is happening...also, why don't they let the players major in athletic performance?
 
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