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(YouTube)   Just like subby has no pictures of his ex girlfriend when he moved in with his significant other, the South should stop waving the Confederate Flag   (youtube.com) divider line 36
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2012-12-11 12:37:06 PM
it is a symbol of treason, and those who display it should be treated accordingly.
 
2012-12-11 02:12:44 PM
Evacuate? In their 147th year of triumph?!?!
 
2012-12-11 02:16:09 PM
Just like subby has no pictures of his ex girlfriend...

Would you like some? I have plenty.
 
2012-12-11 02:52:22 PM
Over a hundred years ago you did something for less than 4 years and got ground into the farking dirt for it.  
 
2012-12-11 03:00:11 PM
I live in East TN where the confederate flag is featured prominently by rednecks usually in the form of hanging from their trucks or on cheap t-shirts. The funny thing is, TN was a divided state with the east mostly siding with the north. The Appalachian mountains meant people had small family farms so there was no need for slaves in this part of the state. Middle and West TN had all the flat land and slaves. Whenever I see someone waving the rebellion flag, the irony always makes me smile, then I realize they're probably just racist and I frown.
 
2012-12-11 03:09:23 PM

ModernPrimitive01: I live in East TN where the confederate flag is featured prominently by rednecks usually in the form of hanging from their trucks or on cheap t-shirts. The funny thing is, TN was a divided state with the east mostly siding with the north. The Appalachian mountains meant people had small family farms so there was no need for slaves in this part of the state. Middle and West TN had all the flat land and slaves. Whenever I see someone waving the rebellion flag, the irony always makes me smile, then I realize they're probably just racist and I frown.


Seems like you tried to point the geographical/historical irony of this, before.
 
2012-12-11 03:10:21 PM
I disagree.

It allows us to more easily identify, isolate, and mock the racists.
 
2012-12-11 03:20:38 PM

CygnusDarius: ModernPrimitive01: I live in East TN where the confederate flag is featured prominently by rednecks usually in the form of hanging from their trucks or on cheap t-shirts. The funny thing is, TN was a divided state with the east mostly siding with the north. The Appalachian mountains meant people had small family farms so there was no need for slaves in this part of the state. Middle and West TN had all the flat land and slaves. Whenever I see someone waving the rebellion flag, the irony always makes me smile, then I realize they're probably just racist and I frown.

Seems like you tried to point the geographical/historical irony of this, before.


probably, but it 1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-11 03:33:13 PM
Burning the flag of your nation? that's ok.
Waving the flag of a defunct nation? that's treason you rebel scum!

/we're taking flags seriously all of a sudden?
 
2012-12-11 03:49:14 PM
People forget that the south wasn't all in on busting up the union. More than 10,000 N Carolinians served in the union army. The confederates often hung these soldiers rather than sending them to prison camps. It's shows how short peoples memories are, that a lot of the people down south, who celebrate the confederacy, are celebrating the people who killed their own ancestors.
 
2012-12-11 03:51:02 PM

way south: /we're taking flags seriously all of a sudden?


No flag, no country!

www.netzkobold.com
 
2012-12-11 03:58:09 PM
Well said.

"But it's our heritage!"

"Yeah. A heritage of quitting the nation for the right to keep people as pets."


Never understood why some Southerners are proud of old great-great-grandpappy fighting for the Confederacy. That's like being proud your ancestor fought alongside Mao or Pol Pot.
 
2012-12-11 04:30:06 PM
Which one?

The First Flag? a.k.a "the Stars and Bars"? The one that actually represented the Government?

upload.wikimedia.org

The Battle flag of Northern Virginia that most of the other battle flags were based off of?

upload.wikimedia.org

The "Bonnie Blue"? which represented the Confedercy prior to 1861

upload.wikimedia.org

or are y'all talking about the Second confederate Navel jack?

upload.wikimedia.org

maybe the Battle flag of the confederate Army of Tennessee? The one that was later adopted after the war by various groups, communities, and US military branches?
upload.wikimedia.org

Notice the color difference between the two?

Fun Fact! the Last place to fly that flag, the restyled "Rebel Flag" in an official capacity was the town ship of Town line, New York. up until they apparently rejoined the Union in 1946.


I dare say Subbies objection is not with southerners... per say, but with self described "rebels" and "rednecks" which can be found the country, and well, world over.

I would dare say that the majority of people who use the flag in any type of formal, serious, capacity would be radical white supremacists who tend to concentrate in the pacific northwest. of the united states, and will fly the "rebel" flag alongside the German Swastika..

As a life long Virginian... from a founding family, grandson of the revolution, the confederacy, and the union... I find that bit the most offensive...

but all is not lost.. we do have our progressives down here...

www.staplenews.com 


I'll continue to fly the American Flag because my Immigrant mother pounded into my head that this is the greatest country on earth,

and the Flag of the Conch republic... for the loving absurdity of it all.
 
2012-12-11 04:52:10 PM
I really don't understand the fascination with the Confederate Flag. Isn't there some other way that people in the south can express their southern heritage without that flag? They have to know it equates to condoning slavery and the willingness to keep slavery alive.
 
2012-12-11 07:26:02 PM
Ha. He said "doo doo".
 
2012-12-11 07:27:58 PM

Cerebral Knievel: Which one?


I doubt most of the people waving any of those is aware of the others, except maybe the Second Confederate Navel Jack.
 
2012-12-11 07:55:38 PM

natazha: Cerebral Knievel: Which one?

I doubt most of the people waving any of those is aware of the others, except maybe the Second Confederate Navel Jack.


*sigh*...

I know..

just something I TRY to pound into peoples noggins... that the Rebel, or Dixie flag, is NOT the confederate flag, but just a loosely affiliated battle flag of a western lying Provence, that itself was split in affiliation during the conflict itself,

I'm just trying to do my part is all. I I was born and raised in the city that was the CAPITAL of the Confederacy. and when ever I get to take people around and see the sights, I make sure to take them all around the places that show off the first colonial landings, the fighting grounds of the revolutionary war, the beginings of the heavy industries that founded and secured the nation that would become the United states.and all the things leading through the cold wars, and all the modern progresive features of our landscapes through the major design periods. one of the highest ranked art museums in the country.. etc etc etc.

hardly anything ever about.. "the war of northern aggression" Why? not to gloss over that period of our history, but, you came to ME for a tour of the town. if you wanna know about all that stuff.. it's all over the place and detailed by the National Park Service.
I usually avoid all the cival war stuff
 
2012-12-11 10:09:25 PM
"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition."
- Vice President of the Confederacy, Alexander Hamilton Stephens.
 
2012-12-11 10:11:28 PM

Cerebral Knievel: will fly the "rebel" flag alongside the German Swastika..


The Nazi swastika, please. It's not the German swastika.
 
2012-12-12 06:52:52 AM
I disagree, but if that's what someone else wants to believe, fine. Now if someone were to give me a hard time because of my opinion on the subject or otherwise impose their belief on me, that I will not tolerate nor will I tolerate any consequences for refusing to allow someone else to impose their belief on me. I don't give you a hard time over what you believe or otherwise impose my belief on you, I don't think it's unfair, illogical or unreasonable for me to expect you to do the same to me
 
2012-12-12 08:54:25 AM
You see that stupid flag in the north as well. Usually on late model pickups and trailers that reek of kerosene.
 
2012-12-12 11:25:26 AM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: I disagree, but if that's what someone else wants to believe, fine. Now if someone were to give me a hard time because of my opinion on the subject or otherwise impose their belief on me, that I will not tolerate nor will I tolerate any consequences for refusing to allow someone else to impose their belief on me. I don't give you a hard time over what you believe or otherwise impose my belief on you, I don't think it's unfair, illogical or unreasonable for me to expect you to do the same to me




Beliefs have consequences if they're completely wrong. That flag represents slavery of the past, and utter stupidity in the present day. So have fun advertising your stupidity.
 
2012-12-12 11:39:07 AM

fickenchucker: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: I disagree, but if that's what someone else wants to believe, fine. Now if someone were to give me a hard time because of my opinion on the subject or otherwise impose their belief on me, that I will not tolerate nor will I tolerate any consequences for refusing to allow someone else to impose their belief on me. I don't give you a hard time over what you believe or otherwise impose my belief on you, I don't think it's unfair, illogical or unreasonable for me to expect you to do the same to me



Beliefs have consequences if they're completely wrong. That flag represents slavery of the past, and utter stupidity in the present day. So have fun advertising your stupidity.


That is what it represents to you. Problem is, not everyone sees any given thing the same way you do. You need to recognize that. If I went around saying that what something means to me is what it is while refusing to recognize that others don't see it the same way I do, I would be seen as being arrogant. Think about that.
 
2012-12-12 12:14:47 PM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: fickenchucker: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: I disagree, but if that's what someone else wants to believe, fine. Now if someone were to give me a hard time because of my opinion on the subject or otherwise impose their belief on me, that I will not tolerate nor will I tolerate any consequences for refusing to allow someone else to impose their belief on me. I don't give you a hard time over what you believe or otherwise impose my belief on you, I don't think it's unfair, illogical or unreasonable for me to expect you to do the same to me



Beliefs have consequences if they're completely wrong. That flag represents slavery of the past, and utter stupidity in the present day. So have fun advertising your stupidity.

That is what it represents to you. Problem is, not everyone sees any given thing the same way you do. You need to recognize that. If I went around saying that what something means to me is what it is while refusing to recognize that others don't see it the same way I do, I would be seen as being arrogant. Think about that.




Yeah, and keep telling people that swastika in your basement is really an old symbol of peace to you, not what 99% of the world associate it with.

Perception becomes a different reality than the original intent sometimes, and the modern reality is the "Battle flag of the confederate Army of Tennessee" is a symbol for racism and ignorance. When the flag gets soiled, just have your unpaid Negro serf take it down by the river for a good cleaning.
 
2012-12-12 12:17:05 PM
I think I've heard his standup before
 
2012-12-12 12:27:07 PM

fickenchucker: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: fickenchucker: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: I disagree, but if that's what someone else wants to believe, fine. Now if someone were to give me a hard time because of my opinion on the subject or otherwise impose their belief on me, that I will not tolerate nor will I tolerate any consequences for refusing to allow someone else to impose their belief on me. I don't give you a hard time over what you believe or otherwise impose my belief on you, I don't think it's unfair, illogical or unreasonable for me to expect you to do the same to me

Beliefs have consequences if they're completely wrong. That flag represents slavery of the past, and utter stupidity in the present day. So have fun advertising your stupidity.

That is what it represents to you. Problem is, not everyone sees any given thing the same way you do. You need to recognize that. If I went around saying that what something means to me is what it is while refusing to recognize that others don't see it the same way I do, I would be seen as being arrogant. Think about that.



Yeah, and keep telling people that swastika in your basement is really an old symbol of peace to you, not what 99% of the world associate it with.

Perception becomes a different reality than the original intent sometimes, and the modern reality is the "Battle flag of the confederate Army of Tennessee" is a symbol for racism and ignorance. When the flag gets soiled, just have your unpaid Negro serf take it down by the river for a good cleaning.


How about we agree to disagree? I don't give you a hard time over your opinion, you don't give me a hard time for mine. Deal?
 
2012-12-12 02:58:50 PM
I always loved the idiot rednecks in WV who ran around with the Confederate flag pasted on everything (including the ne plus ultra of stupid--one with Hank Jr's face on it) and T-shirts that proclaim, "Lee surrendered. I didn't."

"Um....y'all do know that WV split off from VA, left the Confederacy and re-joined the Union, right?"

"Nuh-uh! Did not!"

So sad I don't live there anymore.
 
2012-12-12 03:23:09 PM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Perception becomes a different reality than the original intent sometimes, and the modern reality is the "Battle flag of the confederate Army of Tennessee" is a symbol for racism and ignorance. When the flag gets soiled, just have your unpaid Negro serf take it down by the river for a good cleaning.

How about we agree to disagree? I don't give you a hard time over your opinion, you don't give me a hard time for mine. Deal?




I'll buy that. The older I get (43) the more I've settled into a philosophy of You-do-your-thing-and-I'll-do-mine. I used to evangelize for causes. Now I'm all "meh" about everything.

Ultimately it's from my deep belief in the freedoms America has as compared to much of the world, I guess. Say whatever you want, protest whatever you want, and pray to whatever you want--I don't really care.

/Unless you're from Missouri--I friggin' hate those Bud-swilling Cardinal-fellating douchebags.
//kidding--but only a little
 
2012-12-12 03:26:07 PM
That, and agreeing to disagree allows for more discussion and jabbing at each other, rather than outright fighting. I hate it when I try to talk with my idiot brother and it turns into him screaming and getting all weird.

More people should just chill out a little and have real discussions.
 
2012-12-12 04:06:07 PM

Baron Harkonnen: Cerebral Knievel: will fly the "rebel" flag alongside the German Swastika..

The Nazi swastika, please. It's not the German swastika.


yer right, my bad... Hell, and I'm half German!
 
2012-12-13 05:04:09 AM
Q. Really? Dukes of Hazard was the best show ever.


Ok seriously I grew up in memphis, I get both sides. It's just a flag that means a lot of things to a lot of different people, get over it. I used to let my iguana shiat on a fairly historic one, lol.
 
2012-12-13 08:29:02 AM

nich0lai: Q. Really? Dukes of Hazard was the best show ever.


Ok seriously I grew up in memphis, I get both sides. It's just a flag that means a lot of things to a lot of different people, get over it. I used to let my iguana shiat on a fairly historic one, lol.


I've never seen anyone make a valid point then negate themselves so quickly
 
2012-12-14 12:26:02 AM
Fugelsang always seems like he's trying too hard.
 
2012-12-14 02:19:36 AM

Cerebral Knievel: natazha: Cerebral Knievel: Which one?

I doubt most of the people waving any of those is aware of the others, except maybe the Second Confederate Navel Jack.

*sigh*...

I know..

just something I TRY to pound into peoples noggins... that the Rebel, or Dixie flag, is NOT the confederate flag, but just a loosely affiliated battle flag of a western lying Provence, that itself was split in affiliation during the conflict itself,

I'm just trying to do my part is all. I I was born and raised in the city that was the CAPITAL of the Confederacy. and when ever I get to take people around and see the sights, I make sure to take them all around the places that show off the first colonial landings, the fighting grounds of the revolutionary war, the beginings of the heavy industries that founded and secured the nation that would become the United states.and all the things leading through the cold wars, and all the modern progresive features of our landscapes through the major design periods. one of the highest ranked art museums in the country.. etc etc etc.

hardly anything ever about.. "the war of northern aggression" Why? not to gloss over that period of our history, but, you came to ME for a tour of the town. if you wanna know about all that stuff.. it's all over the place and detailed by the National Park Service.
I usually avoid all the cival war stuff


And the swastika ought to surpass the nazi movement, but it is ruined forever.
 
2012-12-14 02:22:58 AM

EviLincoln: You see that stupid flag in the north as well. Usually on late model pickups and trailers that reek of kerosene.


Far too common in michigan, and they all will deny racism.

I've had people regale me with tales of 'that smart black guy calling in to their talk radio station who admitted that blacks can't govern detroit and white people should be in charge' who cannot fathom why I think they are racist.
 
2012-12-14 11:42:00 AM

Smackledorfer: Far too common in michigan, and they all will deny racism.

I've had people regale me with tales of 'that smart black guy calling in to their talk radio station who admitted that blacks can't govern detroit and white people should be in charge' who cannot fathom why I think they are racist.



When I watched "Hard Core Pawn" it was hard to not think like a racist. Then I saw the same weird behavior from many of the white clients.

Therefore it seems like the problem is the Liberal mindset that has run that city for the last 40+ years until now--and the communal lack of recognizing reality. Detroit grew when virtually every factory was built right there. When factories and foundries started spreading around the country, it was only natural the need for employees would dwindle and disperse.

/The flag we're talking about is definitely racist, no matter its supposedly noble roots--just as the swastika is now forever evil.
 
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