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2012-12-11 12:35:15 PM
The book is about a school teacher (naturally) that gets even with her cheating husband by having affairs with two former students.

As long as they are former students...
 
2012-12-11 12:37:36 PM

Lsherm: The book is about a school teacher (naturally) that gets even with her cheating husband by having affairs with two former students.

As long as they are former students...


Yeah, it's not like it's Beezus and Ramona slashfic or something.
 
2012-12-11 12:48:43 PM

Rev. Skarekroe: Lsherm: The book is about a school teacher (naturally) that gets even with her cheating husband by having affairs with two former students.

As long as they are former students...

Yeah, it's not like it's Beezus and Ramona slashfic or something.


That sounds terrible...
 
2012-12-11 12:58:39 PM

Lsherm: As long as they are former students...


Its fiction. She, an English teacher, got punished for writing a work of fiction.

Let that sink in for a moment. If she had written a non-erotic work, do you think she would have been punished for with administrative leave and suspensions for using a computer to conduct "social networking of a personal nature?" The school is a public school--punishing her for publishing a work of fiction because they don't approve of the content. It seems there is a free speech issue here if she wants to tackle it.  And she's apparently hired an attorney. Good for her.
 
2012-12-11 01:00:16 PM
The description claims the book is "Chelsea Handler MEETS Fifty Shades of Grey" ...

"His treachery runs deeper than you know...by fould craft Saruman has crossed Chelsea Handler with Fifty Shades of Grey, he's printing stacks of them in the caverns of Isengard..."

i76.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-11 01:13:09 PM
That article read like it was written by a high school English student who isn't doing very well in class.
 
2012-12-11 01:31:19 PM

Somacandra: Lsherm: As long as they are former students...

Its fiction. She, an English teacher, got punished for writing a work of fiction.

Let that sink in for a moment. If she had written a non-erotic work, do you think she would have been punished for with administrative leave and suspensions for using a computer to conduct "social networking of a personal nature?" The school is a public school--punishing her for publishing a work of fiction because they don't approve of the content. It seems there is a free speech issue here if she wants to tackle it.  And she's apparently hired an attorney. Good for her.


Well, I personally think she should be able to write whatever she wants, but if she had written a novel about banging underage students in her class, I could see how that would rile people up. What I meant was that it didn't sound like a big deal to me in the first place because she clearly wasn't writing about anything controversial.
 
2012-12-11 01:41:52 PM
It's a union rep's job to editorialize?
 
2012-12-11 01:56:12 PM

kid_icarus: The description claims the book is "Chelsea Handler MEETS Fifty Shades of Grey" ...

"His treachery runs deeper than you know...by fould craft Saruman has crossed Chelsea Handler with Fifty Shades of Grey, he's printing stacks of them in the caverns of Isengard..."

[i76.photobucket.com image 448x252]


If he was cutting down the ancient forests to print this, NO WONDER the Ents were so pissed
 
2012-12-11 02:12:18 PM
Hey look, free national advertizement and exposure.

/she'll sell more books now
 
2012-12-11 02:14:09 PM
So, why is it so hard to find good teachers?
 
2012-12-11 02:19:36 PM

Beaver1224: So, why is it so hard to find good teachers?



Why is it so good to find hard teachers.
 
- University of Mae West
 
2012-12-11 02:32:33 PM

Rev. Skarekroe: Lsherm: The book is about a school teacher (naturally) that gets even with her cheating husband by having affairs with two former students.

As long as they are former students...

Yeah, it's not like it's Beezus and Ramona slashfic or something.


You know, that probably exists somewhere. I'm sure as hell not going to try to find it though.
 
2012-12-11 02:32:53 PM

Beaver1224: So, why is it so hard good to find good hard teachers?

 
2012-12-11 02:35:08 PM
So if she wrote it under a pen name then doesn't that mean she wasn't trying to have it attributed to her?

Anyone find out how she was outed in the first place?
 
2012-12-11 02:39:52 PM
Female teacher sleeping with students...Ok. Writing an erotic book under a pen name...Bad. She wrote and published a book that got great reviews. That makes her better than most English professors, taboo material included.

/Education system is farked. Oh and this will only sell more copies.
 
2012-12-11 02:39:53 PM

doyner: So if she wrote it under a pen name then doesn't that mean she wasn't trying to have it attributed to her?

Anyone find out how she was outed in the first place?


neilperkin.typepad.com

I'm going with "meddling kids."
 
2012-12-11 03:15:19 PM
Wrote erotic fiction

i2.listal.com

Kept her mouth shut 

/Trish Murtaugh,not Darlene Love
 
2012-12-11 03:40:23 PM
Useless without pics.
 
2012-12-11 03:42:23 PM
Bow Chicka Bow Bow?
 
2012-12-11 03:43:30 PM
Write what you know?
 
2012-12-11 03:44:34 PM

Carn: Useless without pics.


my.hsj.org

throw the book at her
 
2012-12-11 03:44:48 PM
She writes erotic fiction, a mere firing is too good for her. Try a firing squad.
 
2012-12-11 03:45:56 PM

Diogenes: I'm going with "meddling kids."


+1
 
2012-12-11 03:46:29 PM
The US is quickly becoming a country like that which it claims to hate.
 
2012-12-11 03:46:47 PM

skullkrusher: Carn: Useless without pics.

[my.hsj.org image 200x172]

throw the book at her


Looks like they already did. And They.Did.Not.Miss

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2012-12-11 03:48:11 PM
More turgid members?
 
2012-12-11 03:48:37 PM
People need to decide if our educators are meant to be full-time role-models or free adults...

Everyone I talk to seems to have some arbitrary b.s. limit for what teachers are allowed to do in their free time. This lady just wrote a book, so that's okay. But if she were in a porno? Not okay. Unless it was a long time ago. Working as a stripper? Obviously that's not acceptable, right? Male teacher arrested for banging some tranny hooker outside in a park (outside of school hours) - well, OBVIOUSLY, in that case, we should consider what they do outside of class to impact their ability to teach. Right?

I don't much care either way, I'm just asking for some consistency.
 
2012-12-11 03:50:04 PM
So, you can just write a book and sell it on Amazon as a digital download and not have to go through a publisher? Awesome...I have some erotic novels/ semi-autobiographical novel involving a boy, his dog and a jar of peanut butter.
 
2012-12-11 03:50:30 PM
Might want to get the ACLU on this
 
2012-12-11 03:51:47 PM
Why do so many ugly people read/write erotica. Don't they realize that it creeps the rest of us out?
 
2012-12-11 03:52:24 PM

Lsherm: The book is about a school teacher (naturally) that gets even with her cheating husband by having affairs with two former students.

As long as they are former students...


who are of legal age to consent...
 
2012-12-11 03:52:46 PM

skullkrusher: Carn: Useless without pics.

[my.hsj.org image 200x172]

throw the book at her


agree
 
2012-12-11 03:53:11 PM
Article is farked on my end. Did it say she was fired? According to a Cleveland reporter I heard interviewed today, she still has her job and should have nothing to worry about. If he's correct, how is she 50 shades of screwed?

Kinda funny side note: When he was asked what she looked like, he said "I'm not going to comment on her proportions, but she has a kind of cute face".
 
2012-12-11 03:53:12 PM

dabbletech: Lsherm: The book is about a school teacher (naturally) that gets even with her cheating husband by having affairs with two former students.

As long as they are former students...

who are of legal age to consent...


Why? Can't you tell the difference between reality and fantasy?
 
2012-12-11 03:53:53 PM
So, which red state is this that is punishing this woman? I just know it is, just as I know those who are leading the charge against her are middle aged "Christian" women with the physique of a sack of potatoes and a heart full of hate and jealousy.
 
2012-12-11 03:54:45 PM
At this rate it will be harder to be a teacher than it is to run for President.


//heyooo
 
2012-12-11 03:55:01 PM

WhippingBoy: Why do so many ugly people read/write erotica. Don't they realize that it creeps the rest of us out?


Because if they were beautiful people they'd be in pictures. Like the redheads on my left hand monitor going at it right now. I doubt they've read a book more than 200 pages.
 
2012-12-11 03:55:12 PM

WhippingBoy: Why do so many ugly people read/write erotica. Don't they realize that it creeps the rest of us out?


That's pretty far from ugly.
Not a 10 by any means, but a good solid 5, or 6 depending on bod.
 
2012-12-11 03:55:28 PM

Lsherm: The book is about a school teacher (naturally) that gets even with her cheating husband by having affairs with two former students.

As long as they are former students...


Yeah, that and the whole "fiction" part...
 
2012-12-11 03:55:30 PM
This is why a lot of smart people will never become teachers. 'Oh, so you also reserve the right to fire me for things I do under a pen name in my off hours? Hmm, let's see... Yeah, go fark yourself.'

Teaching as a concept appeals to me. Teaching in practice looks like volunteering to spend a good chunk of your life with a dysfunctional family.
 
2012-12-11 03:55:42 PM

wildcardjack: WhippingBoy: Why do so many ugly people read/write erotica. Don't they realize that it creeps the rest of us out?

Because if they were beautiful people they'd be in pictures. Like the redheads on my left hand monitor going at it right now. I doubt they've read a book more than 200 pages.


Good point.
 
2012-12-11 03:56:40 PM
WEll sounds like she gets increased sales and lawsuit money, good for her. Whoever outed her is an asshat.
 
2012-12-11 03:57:04 PM

Great Janitor: So, you can just write a book and sell it on Amazon as a digital download and not have to go through a publisher? Awesome...I have some erotic novels/ semi-autobiographical novel involving a boy, his dog and a jar of peanut butter.


But enough about Confederacy of Dunces...
 
2012-12-11 03:57:37 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Everyone I talk to seems to have some arbitrary b.s. limit for what teachers are allowed to do in their free time. This lady just wrote a book, so that's okay. But if she were in a porno? Not okay. Unless it was a long time ago. Working as a stripper? Obviously that's not acceptable, right? Male teacher arrested for banging some tranny hooker outside in a park (outside of school hours) - well, OBVIOUSLY, in that case, we should consider what they do outside of class to impact their ability to teach. Right?


IMO, the guy arrested in the park is out irrespective of his partner's proclivities, because now he's got a criminal record and is probably on a sex offender registry (dumb but true). Everyone else is just doing what they do in their free time. It'd might get embarrassing for someone with 18 year old students to work in a strip club though.
 
2012-12-11 03:59:15 PM
My wife is both a high school English teacher and a writer. It's really scary to think that something she writes during her down-time could get her fired from her job. Granted, she's writing fiction stories based on Greek mythology and not erotic novels. Safe, I suppose.
 
2012-12-11 04:02:01 PM
FIC-TION-AL CHAR-ACT-ERS

Am I getting through to you at all?
 
2012-12-11 04:02:04 PM
mozerella-la
la la la la

www.wendys.com
 
2012-12-11 04:02:25 PM

NashMcNash: My wife is both a high school English teacher and a writer. It's really scary to think that something she writes during her down-time could get her fired from her job. Granted, she's writing fiction stories based on Greek mythology and not erotic novels. Safe, I suppose.


Good thing there's no sex in Greek mythology.
 
2012-12-11 04:03:35 PM
Hey, come be a teacher and do a wonderful civic duty!

Difficulty: more people will hate you than you will ever know. And should you do something even remotely un-teacher-like...like, I dunno, breathing...we will fire your ass so hard.
 
2012-12-11 04:04:44 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: People need to decide if our educators are meant to be full-time role-models or free adults...

Everyone I talk to seems to have some arbitrary b.s. limit for what teachers are allowed to do in their free time. This lady just wrote a book, so that's okay. But if she were in a porno? Not okay. Unless it was a long time ago. Working as a stripper? Obviously that's not acceptable, right? Male teacher arrested for banging some tranny hooker outside in a park (outside of school hours) - well, OBVIOUSLY, in that case, we should consider what they do outside of class to impact their ability to teach. Right?

I don't much care either way, I'm just asking for some consistency.


This.

It seems to me that this should be a non-issue. Do teachers have to go before their higher ups or the school board to get every after hours hobby, money making endeavor or activity approved? If so, why stop there? Why not force teachers to eat only pre approved meals set forth by the school boards and fire them for not doing so? Why not have school officials randomly search the homes of teachers and check their computers for porn and questionable google searches.

In truth, the only jackasses who are behind this woman's suspension and pushing for her resignation are uptight parents who are holding up their ereaders with this book loaded and shouting "Think of the children!"
 
2012-12-11 04:05:05 PM
No one is suggesting she be sent to prison - first ammendment doesn't so much apply. First ammendment doesn't say anything about an employer having to retain someone under any particular circumstances.

That said, I can't see why she'd not think writing an erotic book with "A+ Schooled" on the cover, about a teacher that has sex with students (former or not) would cause problems. Why "former" students? Why not someone they met at a grocery store, online, in a bar, etc? She's paiting students as sex objects of a teacher. She, as a teacher, shouldn't do that and expect that everyone would think "oh, well, it's just fiction!" That's silly.
 
2012-12-11 04:05:20 PM
Doesn't add up...
Still doesn't add up...
Yet? Nope...

Then: "She was officially punished for using her school computer for "social networking of a personal nature."

There it is the real problem. My employer does not allow us to use social networking of any kind on company equipment and this includes accessing it from a wireless device via our guest wireless network. Blocks are in place, but don't always work. So if you get caught accessing a social network, you are subject to termination.

Fake butt-hurt is the worst kind.
 
2012-12-11 04:05:37 PM

NashMcNash: My wife is both a high school English teacher and a writer. It's really scary to think that something she writes during her down-time could get her fired from her job. Granted, she's writing fiction stories based on Greek mythology and not erotic novels. Safe, I suppose.


No. This was also fiction, and I promise you mythology has lots of sex and violence, so I don't think your wife would be safe - if 'anything we find distasteful' is the standard schools use.

Now if your wife wrote something poorly written in which no one said or did anything of interest, she could publish under her own name and the school would brag that one of their teachers is a writer.

/"I don't mind being held to a higher standard. I mind being held to a lesser one."
 
2012-12-11 04:06:08 PM
wait..

I can make money off the erotic fiction I write and post online

fug. okay. I gotta look into this, my stuff routinely gets 4.8 out of 5 stars where I post it.
 
2012-12-11 04:07:42 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: People need to decide if our educators are meant to be full-time role-models or free adults...

Everyone I talk to seems to have some arbitrary b.s. limit for what teachers are allowed to do in their free time. This lady just wrote a book, so that's okay. But if she were in a porno? Not okay. Unless it was a long time ago. Working as a stripper? Obviously that's not acceptable, right? Male teacher arrested for banging some tranny hooker outside in a park (outside of school hours) - well, OBVIOUSLY, in that case, we should consider what they do outside of class to impact their ability to teach. Right?

I don't much care either way, I'm just asking for some consistency.


Request granted. Once students can cite you as a reason why parents are wrong, you are no longer fit to teach. This rule is applied very consistently.
 
2012-12-11 04:09:08 PM

WhippingBoy: Why do so many ugly people read/write erotica. Don't they realize that it creeps the rest of us out?


Well, it could be worse. They could be flaunting their sexual preferences in a public forum, right "whippingboy"?
 
2012-12-11 04:09:35 PM

Spirit Hammer: NashMcNash: My wife is both a high school English teacher and a writer. It's really scary to think that something she writes during her down-time could get her fired from her job. Granted, she's writing fiction stories based on Greek mythology and not erotic novels. Safe, I suppose.

Good thing there's no sex in Greek mythology.


Beat me to it. Those Greek Gods, especially Zeus, got up to some nasty stuff.
 
2012-12-11 04:09:44 PM

skullkrusher: Carn: Useless without pics.

[my.hsj.org image 200x172]

throw the book at her


I bet those chins could catch the book and throw it back.
 
2012-12-11 04:11:09 PM

kvinesknows: wait..

I can make money off the erotic fiction I write and post online

fug. okay. I gotta look into this, my stuff routinely gets 4.8 out of 5 stars where I post it.


My lesbian stories get over 4 stars on Literortica. My cross dressing prostitute stories average one and a half. I guess fiction is more fun than real life
 
2012-12-11 04:13:08 PM

NashMcNash: My wife is both a high school English teacher and a writer. It's really scary to think that something she writes during her down-time could get her fired from her job. Granted, she's writing fiction stories based on Greek mythology and not erotic novels. Safe, I suppose.


Most writers are also teachers, unless they've hit it really big (that I know of anyway). And it's always a shame to hear them say "safe" in the same breath that they describe their work.

I know, I know, you didn't say that she's deliberately holding herself back to keep her job. You said her work was safe, not that she was playing it safe. No writer would ever say that. I just can't help but wonder what the unsaid chilling effect of this might be, considering most literary writers are also teachers, and how much it has shaped contemporary U.S. literature.

Eh, not that anybody reads anything anymore anyway, and if they do it's for high school / college and was probably written 50-100 years ago rather than contemporary, so I suppose it's a moot point. If you take a dump in the forest and nobody's there to see it...
 
2012-12-11 04:14:17 PM

Jake Havechek: More turgid members?


i470.photobucket.com

Ms. Perky: Swollen... Turgid...
Kat Stratford: Tumescent?
Ms. Perky: Perfect!
 
2012-12-11 04:14:23 PM

Great Janitor: kvinesknows: wait..

I can make money off the erotic fiction I write and post online

fug. okay. I gotta look into this, my stuff routinely gets 4.8 out of 5 stars where I post it.

My lesbian stories get over 4 stars on Literortica. My cross dressing prostitute stories average one and a half. I guess fiction is more fun than real life


LOL.. oh man (tran?) if thats true.. totally hilarious.
 
2012-12-11 04:14:39 PM

WhippingBoy: dabbletech: Lsherm: The book is about a school teacher (naturally) that gets even with her cheating husband by having affairs with two former students.

As long as they are former students...

who are of legal age to consent...

Why? Can't you tell the difference between reality and fantasy?



No, I have no problem differentiating the two. But I see your point. By the way, did you know that your daughter's pediatrician has a penchant for child molestation-themed books? See, even though that's okay, you'd have to admit that you'd find it somewhat inappropriate. Unless you just want to be obtuse.
 
2012-12-11 04:15:10 PM

Lsherm: The book is about a school teacher (naturally) that gets even with her cheating husband by having affairs with two former students.

As long as they are former students...


It's fiction, so it does not matter.

What's next, getting fired for "impure thoughts?"
 
2012-12-11 04:15:49 PM

Spirit Hammer: NashMcNash: My wife is both a high school English teacher and a writer. It's really scary to think that something she writes during her down-time could get her fired from her job. Granted, she's writing fiction stories based on Greek mythology and not erotic novels. Safe, I suppose.

Good thing there's no sex in Greek mythology.


Or incest, pedophilia, beastiality, etc.
 
2012-12-11 04:17:18 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Request granted. Once students can cite you as a reason why parents are wrong, you are no longer fit to teach. This rule is applied very consistently.


So if the parents are die-hard young-earthers, and I teach geology...
 
2012-12-11 04:18:21 PM

ChubbyTiger: Spirit Hammer: NashMcNash: My wife is both a high school English teacher and a writer. It's really scary to think that something she writes during her down-time could get her fired from her job. Granted, she's writing fiction stories based on Greek mythology and not erotic novels. Safe, I suppose.

Good thing there's no sex in Greek mythology.

Or incest, pedophilia, beastiality, etc.


You must be think of the King James Version of the Bible.
 
2012-12-11 04:20:27 PM

kvinesknows: Great Janitor: kvinesknows: wait..

I can make money off the erotic fiction I write and post online

fug. okay. I gotta look into this, my stuff routinely gets 4.8 out of 5 stars where I post it.

My lesbian stories get over 4 stars on Literortica. My cross dressing prostitute stories average one and a half. I guess fiction is more fun than real life

LOL.. oh man (tran?) if thats true.. totally hilarious.


It is true that I wrote those stories. The prostitution was....a friend of mine....yeah, that's the ticket.
 
2012-12-11 04:21:48 PM
Pretty much par for the course - there's about 5 million legal things that anyone else can do that will potentially get a teacher fired. Doesnt even take a huge public outcry. All you need is one "offended" person and a conflict-allergic administrator and bing-bang-boom your union (if you're lucky) or your lawyer (if your not) is defending you by trying to make the ridiculous claim that what you did was totally legal and typical of normal people. Not that any of that will save your ass...
 
2012-12-11 04:21:50 PM

wingedkat: WhippingBoy: Why do so many ugly people read/write erotica. Don't they realize that it creeps the rest of us out?

Well, it could be worse. They could be flaunting their sexual preferences in a public forum, right "whippingboy"?


I have no sexual preferences. That part of me died a long time ago...
 
2012-12-11 04:23:33 PM
I guess this guy is lucky that writing thing worked out for him, because he might have been fired from his job teaching English for writing about a young girl's dirty pillows:

blogs.publishersweekly.com
 
2012-12-11 04:24:18 PM

IamAwake: No one is suggesting she be sent to prison - first ammendment doesn't so much apply. First ammendment doesn't say anything about an employer having to retain someone under any particular circumstances.

That said, I can't see why she'd not think writing an erotic book with "A+ Schooled" on the cover, about a teacher that has sex with students (former or not) would cause problems. Why "former" students? Why not someone they met at a grocery store, online, in a bar, etc? She's paiting students as sex objects of a teacher. She, as a teacher, shouldn't do that and expect that everyone would think "oh, well, it's just fiction!" That's silly.


Oh, fiddle faddle. Like someone would actually write an erotic fanfiction about having sex with students whilst being a teacher who was basing the book on her actual desire to have sex with her students. That's just crazy.
 
2012-12-11 04:24:35 PM
School administrators should follow a rule of thumb that any decision that lands on Fark is wrong.
 
2012-12-11 04:27:27 PM

Inflatable Rhetoric: Lsherm: The book is about a school teacher (naturally) that gets even with her cheating husband by having affairs with two former students.

As long as they are former students...

It's fiction, so it does not matter.

What's next, getting fired for "impure thoughts?"


Well, like everything else, context is key. If you're writing a book about a heroic Ephebophiliac who sleeps with underage boys to get back at her ex-husband, it's not illegal, but it's certainly creepy. Especially if you're someone who works with kids. "It's fiction" is a cop out. Imagine you had a co-worker who only wrote fictional stories about breaking into your house and killing you. Perfectly legal, but still farking creepy.

I mean, the Supreme Court ruled in 2002 that fake child porn is legal provided there are no real victims, but if my kid's teacher is like "wanna see my art?" and it's nothing but fake child porn, I'm raising my eyebrows. Whether or not it's a fireable offense is certainly debatable, but I'd still look at them sideways.
 
2012-12-11 04:28:06 PM

Great Janitor: kvinesknows: Great Janitor: kvinesknows: wait..

I can make money off the erotic fiction I write and post online

fug. okay. I gotta look into this, my stuff routinely gets 4.8 out of 5 stars where I post it.

My lesbian stories get over 4 stars on Literortica. My cross dressing prostitute stories average one and a half. I guess fiction is more fun than real life

LOL.. oh man (tran?) if thats true.. totally hilarious.

It is true that I wrote those stories. The prostitution was....a friend of mine....yeah, that's the ticket.


sucks to be you!

:P
 
2012-12-11 04:29:30 PM
THIS IS AN OUTR...

wait...

It's a book about banging students (albeit it "former" students) and she was using school computers to conduct her erotic literature business?

Sorry, biatch. You deserve the scorn you got if for nothing other than being creepy and stupid. 

She's lucky she didn't get fired or worse.
 
2012-12-11 04:31:23 PM

Lsherm: Well, like everything else, context is key. If you're writing a book about a heroic Ephebophiliac who sleeps with underage boys to get back at her ex-husband, it's not illegal, but it's certainly creepy. Especially if you're someone who works with kids. "It's fiction" is a cop out. Imagine you had a co-worker who only wrote fictional stories about breaking into your house and killing you. Perfectly legal, but still farking creepy.


The former students of a high school teacher likely aren't underage.
 
2012-12-11 04:39:47 PM

WhippingBoy: Why do so many ugly people read/write erotica. Don't they realize that it creeps the rest of us out?


Why would anyone check out the author before reading smut? Do you also limit your self to porn produced by guys you find attractive?
 
2012-12-11 04:40:09 PM

you have pee hands: Lsherm: Well, like everything else, context is key. If you're writing a book about a heroic Ephebophiliac who sleeps with underage boys to get back at her ex-husband, it's not illegal, but it's certainly creepy. Especially if you're someone who works with kids. "It's fiction" is a cop out. Imagine you had a co-worker who only wrote fictional stories about breaking into your house and killing you. Perfectly legal, but still farking creepy.

The former students of a high school teacher likely aren't underage.


HE'S 22!

www3.images.coolspotters.com
 
2012-12-11 04:40:29 PM

China White Tea: BarkingUnicorn: Request granted. Once students can cite you as a reason why parents are wrong, you are no longer fit to teach. This rule is applied very consistently.

So if the parents are die-hard young-earthers, and I teach geology...


Then the whole public school system is unfit to teach; we need vouchers for charter schools and home-schooling. At the least, we need equal time for young-earth theory. Or we can make geology an elective.

The rule is applied consistently. What's done when it's violated varies from case to case. Typically, the path of least resistance is chosen.
 
2012-12-11 04:40:34 PM
Back in Grandma's day only single women could teach school.

Why?

They feared that a married woman might get pregnant, causing scandal and controversy and making the children ask embarrassing questions on taboo topics.

Apparently times haven't changed much.
 
2012-12-11 04:41:24 PM
My Daughter's English teacher... yeah... we're so proud...
 
2012-12-11 04:43:58 PM
So, she taught high school and published a novel about banging former students. Sounds to me like someone might have gotten a bit frustrated bring around jail bait all day and wrote the book as a creative outlet.

I am honestly surprised this doesn't happen more often. I know I had a couple teachers who had the "In a year or so you'll be legal and not my student." thought about a few of their students. He'll, I killed a few thousand kittens thinking of my twenty-something 11th grade English teacher. And after the story about her, the photocopier and how her lipstick got smeared onto the neck of the history teacher who looked like a former 90210 cast member, I knew she had a freaky side to her.
 
2012-12-11 04:44:22 PM

Amos Quito: Back in Grandma's day only single women could teach school.

Why?

They feared that a married woman might get pregnant, causing scandal and controversy and making the children ask embarrassing questions on taboo topics.


And here I thought it was to get some use out of the worthless spinsters.
 
2012-12-11 04:44:42 PM

GoNads!: My Daughter's English teacher... yeah... we're so proud...



You should be proud that she can actually write English coherently enough to enjoyed. Maybe this will inspire your own kid to start writing.
 
2012-12-11 04:45:26 PM
His throbbing love spear was pounded into her quivering love pudding
 
2012-12-11 04:45:31 PM

Mike Chewbacca: HE'S 22!

www3.images.coolspotters.com


t2.gstatic.com
 
2012-12-11 04:47:14 PM

beakerxf: WhippingBoy: Why do so many ugly people read/write erotica. Don't they realize that it creeps the rest of us out?

Why would anyone check out the author before reading smut? Do you also limit your self to porn produced by guys you find attractive?


When I read erotic stories, I avoid girl/girl stories written by men. I prefer stories written by someone who might have experience on the subject. That is the only reason why I check out an author before reading the story.
 
2012-12-11 04:51:51 PM

Great Janitor: beakerxf: WhippingBoy: Why do so many ugly people read/write erotica. Don't they realize that it creeps the rest of us out?

Why would anyone check out the author before reading smut? Do you also limit your self to porn produced by guys you find attractive?

When I read erotic stories, I avoid girl/girl stories written by men. I prefer stories written by someone who might have experience on the subject. That is the only reason why I check out an author before reading the story.



Seriously?

How can you tell that the author is telling the truth about their gender when they're using a pen name? For that matter how can you tell its a pen name unless that author says as much?
 
2012-12-11 04:52:29 PM

Great Janitor:

Sounds to me like someone might have gotten a bit frustrated bring around jail bait all day and wrote the book as a creative outlet.


Nah, simply greed for money and/or attention. "She got the idea after a friend of hers wrote an erotic fiction book that reached the top of the charts."

Amateur novelists generally borrow heavily from their real lives.
 
2012-12-11 04:53:32 PM

you have pee hands: Lsherm: Well, like everything else, context is key. If you're writing a book about a heroic Ephebophiliac who sleeps with underage boys to get back at her ex-husband, it's not illegal, but it's certainly creepy. Especially if you're someone who works with kids. "It's fiction" is a cop out. Imagine you had a co-worker who only wrote fictional stories about breaking into your house and killing you. Perfectly legal, but still farking creepy.

The former students of a high school teacher likely aren't underage.


Yeah, that.

Would this even be a scandal in, say, Europe? Would it even be news?
 
2012-12-11 04:54:32 PM
It isn't like she wrote it under her real name and was seeking attention. Pretty ridiculous that she's been put on leave.
 
2012-12-11 04:55:06 PM

Clutch2013: Would this even be a scandal in, say, Europe? Would it even be news?


Is the Daily Mail published in Europe?
 
2012-12-11 04:55:23 PM

Cyber_Junk: GoNads!: My Daughter's English teacher... yeah... we're so proud...


You should be proud that she can actually write English coherently enough to enjoyed. Maybe this will inspire your own kid to start writing.


Consider her "inspired"
 
2012-12-11 04:57:33 PM
School principal:
 
2012-12-11 05:00:24 PM

Cyber_Junk: Great Janitor: beakerxf: WhippingBoy: Why do so many ugly people read/write erotica. Don't they realize that it creeps the rest of us out?

Why would anyone check out the author before reading smut? Do you also limit your self to porn produced by guys you find attractive?

When I read erotic stories, I avoid girl/girl stories written by men. I prefer stories written by someone who might have experience on the subject. That is the only reason why I check out an author before reading the story.


Seriously?

How can you tell that the author is telling the truth about their gender when they're using a pen name? For that matter how can you tell its a pen name unless that author says as much?


Yes,I do realize that I am limited to filtering by names that are obviously male or female, and that it is entirely possible that they could be male pretending to be female.
 
2012-12-11 05:03:25 PM
She shouldn't have had it be about sleeping with former students. If a male teacher wrote about sleeping with his ex-students a lot of the people who aren't upset would be upset. If a male teacher wrote about sleeping with male ex-students? Not as sexy then?

If a garbage truck driver or a postal employee wrote about giving extra-special service to certain customers, no problem. If a teacher wrote porn that stayed out of the pants of any of her past or present students pants, no problem. Teachers work around minors though, and they have to avoid even the appearance of impropriety. It would be like a judge writing a crime novel where the hero was a crooked judge. It might be a good read, but anyone going before that judge would have a legitimate right to be upset.
 
2012-12-11 05:07:21 PM
Also, I like how the article notes that she was officially punished for using a school computer to access a social networking site. Almost as if there was no way to punish her for publishing a novel under an assumed name...

Back when I worked in fast food (and wore an onion on my belt) we had to break down every cardboard box before it would fit in the recycling bin out back. We also had to remove the boxes from where they built up as fast as the manager deemed necessary. It was patiently explained to me that first week that this was so that they could fire any one at any time. All they had to do was make taking out the boxes part of your job: either you broke them down first and weren't fast enough (there was no set time to beat) or you didn't and were going against the company green policy.

Do other teachers/admin ever check their facebook? This sounds like the school's 'take out the recycling' emergency escape hatch for anyone they want to fire.

/yes, I know some companies are strict about internet access
//just noting we have no information about whether this school is one of them
 
2012-12-11 05:07:55 PM
What? He just proved that any idiot can write erotic fiction.
 
2012-12-11 05:10:11 PM

HoratioGates: She shouldn't have had it be about sleeping with former students. If a male teacher wrote about sleeping with his ex-students a lot of the people who aren't upset would be upset. If a male teacher wrote about sleeping with male ex-students? Not as sexy then?

If a garbage truck driver or a postal employee wrote about giving extra-special service to certain customers, no problem. If a teacher wrote porn that stayed out of the pants of any of her past or present students pants, no problem. Teachers work around minors though, and they have to avoid even the appearance of impropriety. It would be like a judge writing a crime novel where the hero was a crooked judge. It might be a good read, but anyone going before that judge would have a legitimate right to be upset.



We need to stop pretending that teachers aren't human beings. They have lives outside of their jobs. You may not agree with their beliefs and practices but its really none of our business unless it breaks the law. I think our reaction as a society about this article reflects a lot more on our fears about teenagers growing up than about this teacher being a risk to her students.
 
2012-12-11 05:12:36 PM

Great Janitor: beakerxf: WhippingBoy: Why do so many ugly people read/write erotica. Don't they realize that it creeps the rest of us out?

Why would anyone check out the author before reading smut? Do you also limit your self to porn produced by guys you find attractive?

When I read erotic stories, I avoid girl/girl stories written by men. I prefer stories written by someone who might have experience on the subject. That is the only reason why I check out an author before reading the story.


Actually, I do agree about that. I'll check out the name before I read girl/girl, as well. I just don't care what the author looks like. All I need is for it to be written so that I can visualize what I need and can suspend my disbelief.
 
2012-12-11 05:19:17 PM
They're gonna be "50 Shades of Compensated" when this gets cleared out by the SCOTUS.
Seems the SCOTUS has already ruled on this issue before.
You cannot fire people for exercising freedom of speech when they aren't at work.
 
2012-12-11 05:23:56 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com

i wanna eat this so bad
 
2012-12-11 05:24:29 PM

Clutch2013: you have pee hands: Lsherm: Well, like everything else, context is key. If you're writing a book about a heroic Ephebophiliac who sleeps with underage boys to get back at her ex-husband, it's not illegal, but it's certainly creepy. Especially if you're someone who works with kids. "It's fiction" is a cop out. Imagine you had a co-worker who only wrote fictional stories about breaking into your house and killing you. Perfectly legal, but still farking creepy.

The former students of a high school teacher likely aren't underage.

Yeah, that.

Would this even be a scandal in, say, Europe? Would it even be news?


FOR fark'S SAKE THAT'S WHAT I SAID AT THE TOP OF THE THREAD!

Through the looking glass...
 
2012-12-11 05:30:17 PM

prjindigo: They're gonna be "50 Shades of Compensated" when this gets cleared out by the SCOTUS.
Seems the SCOTUS has already ruled on this issue before.
You cannot fire people for exercising freedom of speech when they aren't at work.


Yep. Should be fun to watch the school system send out a vote for a school levy to pay for the asswhupping she should be able to give them by hiring a competent attorney.
 
2012-12-11 05:33:08 PM
I am amazed that she (supposedly) asked the school's permission before writing the book.

I'm equally amazed that no one has addressed the really important issue in this case:

Is she hot?
 
2012-12-11 05:48:06 PM
So there's nothing wrong with every female teacher reading garbage like this as long as they didn't write it... Now that we have that straightened out.
 
2012-12-11 05:53:09 PM

JonnyG: So there's nothing wrong with every female teacher reading garbage like this as long as they didn't write it... Now that we have that straightened out.


well if you're reading it makes u a food critic
 
2012-12-11 05:54:49 PM

JonnyG: So there's nothing wrong with every female teacher reading garbage like this as long as they didn't write it... Now that we have that straightened out.


Until some twit decides that they don't want their snowflake to be taught by someone with reading material like this, regardless of if they bring it to class or not, and then we end up holding teachers to a higher level of morality while asking "Why don't we have enough teachers?"
 
2012-12-11 06:04:18 PM

Great Janitor: JonnyG: So there's nothing wrong with every female teacher reading garbage like this as long as they didn't write it... Now that we have that straightened out.

Until some twit decides that they don't want their snowflake to be taught by someone with reading material like this, regardless of if they bring it to class or not, and then we end up holding teachers to a higher level of morality while asking "Why don't we have enough teachers?"


We've been told not to go to bars within the district we teach in (which comprises 5 "cities" - combined population of maybe 50-60,000). The theory being if we are spotted leaving a bar in an impaired state by one of our students it would reflect negatively on our character.
 
2012-12-11 06:13:43 PM
"Dear My School District:"

Forget about the book. Those four words are far more damning with respect to her abilities as an english teacher!
 
2012-12-11 06:18:25 PM
She should have set it in a prune packaging factory instead of a school. That's what I would have done.
 
2012-12-11 06:42:01 PM

WhippingBoy: Why do so many ugly people read/write erotica. Don't they realize that it creeps the rest of us out?


It is their only way to succeed in porn. Literature lets you make your own pictures not make you look at the actual people behind it.
 
2012-12-11 06:44:47 PM
I don't understand parents these days. I can't even imagine coming to my parents to tell them a teacher wrote a dirty novel. They'd have told me to mind my own business and do my homework and that would have been the end of it
 
2012-12-11 06:53:29 PM
I'm ok with this. It'll all work out in the end.
 
2012-12-11 06:53:44 PM

HoratioGates: She shouldn't have had it be about sleeping with former students. If a male teacher wrote about sleeping with his ex-students a lot of the people who aren't upset would be upset. If a male teacher wrote about sleeping with male ex-students? Not as sexy then?

If a garbage truck driver or a postal employee wrote about giving extra-special service to certain customers, no problem. If a teacher wrote porn that stayed out of the pants of any of her past or present students pants, no problem. Teachers work around minors though, and they have to avoid even the appearance of impropriety. It would be like a judge writing a crime novel where the hero was a crooked judge. It might be a good read, but anyone going before that judge would have a legitimate right to be upset.


LOTN: ...


i.imgur.com

Sorry modmins. Didn't even think about the image.

Horatio, I told you to fark off for being a douchebag prick, in case you missed it.
 
2012-12-11 06:55:50 PM

NashMcNash: My wife is both a high school English teacher and a writer. It's really scary to think that something she writes during her down-time could get her fired from her job. Granted, she's writing fiction stories based on Greek mythology and not erotic novels. Safe, I suppose.


You mean she is writing a book that has a bunch of made up gods instead of the baby Jesus?
 
2012-12-11 06:58:52 PM
"Professor, her kind of woman doesn't belong on any committee. Of course, I shouldn't tell you this but she advocates writes dirty books."

www.tk421.net

/Chaucer!
//Rabelais!
///Balzac!
 
2012-12-11 07:16:28 PM
i48.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-11 07:17:39 PM
Let me guess, Canton is in "red" Ohio?
 
2012-12-11 07:18:09 PM
Whether we like it or not, teachers are considered role models, so the best policy is to keep their proclivities discreet. It's why most americans are ok with havin a gay male hairdresser, but not with havin a gay male teach their kids.

Anyone remember that trashy chick pumkin from the vh1 show "flava of love"? They had a follow up show called "for the love of money", that was being shown on tv whilst pumkin was teaching at a high school that my cousin also teaches at. She was boozin, fightin and bangin dudes while her students watched. Went on for weeks before admin cought on n dumped her. But she didn't have tenure.
 
2012-12-11 07:26:55 PM

o'really: Whether we like it or not, teachers are considered role models, so the best policy is to keep their proclivities discreet. It's why most americans are ok with havin a gay male hairdresser, but not with havin a gay male teach their kids.


Well, we already know that a large percentage of Americans barely quality as idiots.
 
2012-12-11 07:31:06 PM
Since teachers are salary, does this mean she was suspended with pay? If so, free vacation!
 
2012-12-11 07:35:11 PM

o'really: Since teachers are salary, does this mean she was suspended with pay? If so, free vacation!


I thought that teachers were all gettin' rich from their high pay. She probably already has a mansion and a Ferrari.
 
2012-12-11 07:40:28 PM
"You like it like that, baby? You like it like that?"

"Oh yeah....oh yeah. Like that. Just-like-that."

"Yeah? Oh yeah?"

"Yeah! Oh yeah! yeah yeah yeah!"

t0.gstatic.com
 
2012-12-11 07:40:29 PM

vrax: o'really: Since teachers are salary, does this mean she was suspended with pay? If so, free vacation!

I thought that teachers were all gettin' rich from their high pay. She probably already has a mansion and a Ferrari.


Well, she seems to have a lawyer; that ain't cheap.

She was suspended with pay for 3 weeks during investigation. She got 5 days unpaid as punishment for the acceptable-use violation.
 
2012-12-11 07:49:49 PM

BarkingUnicorn: vrax: o'really: Since teachers are salary, does this mean she was suspended with pay? If so, free vacation!

I thought that teachers were all gettin' rich from their high pay. She probably already has a mansion and a Ferrari.

Well, she seems to have a lawyer; that ain't cheap.

She was suspended with pay for 3 weeks during investigation. She got 5 days unpaid as punishment for the acceptable-use violation.


She could have some sort of prepaid legal service. I've looked into getting it, one I found only cost $25/month.

Or her husband could have a job paying well enough to be able to afford one.
 
2012-12-11 08:05:10 PM

Rev. Skarekroe: Lsherm: The book is about a school teacher (naturally) that gets even with her cheating husband by having affairs with two former students.

As long as they are former students...

Yeah, it's not like it's Beezus and Ramona slashfic or something.

ashinmytomatoes: "Professor, her kind of woman doesn't belong on any committee. Of course, I shouldn't tell you this but she advocates writes dirty books."

[www.tk421.net image 624x283]

/Chaucer!
//Rabelais!
///Balzac!


Ya got TROUBLE!
 
2012-12-11 08:10:31 PM
I just purchased it. Why not? I haven't bothered with the 50 Shades of Gray thing, too expensive and if they're as poorly written as the first 3 Twilight books, I'd rather save my money and I don't indulge in this genre but maybe once every couple of years or so. But hey, 2.99? Even if the book sucks (insert snarky pun here at your leisure) I'm still going to support this lady's right to free speech. Hope it helps her to hire a truly kick arse attorney and win her right to free speech off of school hours and property.
 
2012-12-11 08:14:19 PM

Great Janitor: BarkingUnicorn: vrax: o'really: Since teachers are salary, does this mean she was suspended with pay? If so, free vacation!

I thought that teachers were all gettin' rich from their high pay. She probably already has a mansion and a Ferrari.

Well, she seems to have a lawyer; that ain't cheap.

She was suspended with pay for 3 weeks during investigation. She got 5 days unpaid as punishment for the acceptable-use violation.

She could have some sort of prepaid legal service. I've looked into getting it, one I found only cost $25/month.

Or her husband could have a job paying well enough to be able to afford one.


Don't forget the lavish royalties from her $2.99 Kindle book. :-)
 
2012-12-11 08:16:09 PM
Not sure if this was covered, but right now I lived in the school district. It isn't as subby put with the screwed, most don't count. At worst, they are along the lines of "HAHAHA, this is funny....and hot". The people who are upset about it are more taking the stance of "She would deal with this in another life" but aren't pushing too hard to kick her out because it's not against the rules.
 
2012-12-11 08:18:51 PM

vrax: Let me guess, Canton is in "red" Ohio?


Historically, Stark County is a great predictor of the overall election. This year it went blue by like 800 votes total
 
2012-12-11 08:38:38 PM
Need to sneak that book on the schools summer reading list.
 
2012-12-11 08:54:28 PM

Great Janitor: He'll, I killed a few thousand kittens thinking of my twenty-something 11th grade English teacher.


Me too man, me too. I even TA'd for her in 12th. Alas, for me TA ≠ T&A.
 
2012-12-11 09:28:15 PM
Beaver1224
So, why is it so hard to find good teachers?

If the individual in question is incapable of understanding and abiding by the AUP how are they capable of teaching?


FTA:
She was officially punished for using her school computer for "social networking of a personal nature."

Don't violate your job's network policy then expect me to cry you a farking river. Write and post your book (regardless of topic) on your own g.d. time from your own g.d. pc/network.
 
2012-12-11 10:18:37 PM

Great Janitor: BarkingUnicorn: vrax: o'really: Since teachers are salary, does this mean she was suspended with pay? If so, free vacation!

I thought that teachers were all gettin' rich from their high pay. She probably already has a mansion and a Ferrari.

Well, she seems to have a lawyer; that ain't cheap.

She was suspended with pay for 3 weeks during investigation. She got 5 days unpaid as punishment for the acceptable-use violation.

She could have some sort of prepaid legal service. I've looked into getting it, one I found only cost $25/month.

Or her husband could have a job paying well enough to be able to afford one.


Or her lawyer is taking it on pro bono, or on a contingency. If there's good evidence that the discipline was in retaliation for the publication and the acceptable use policy thing looks bogus, her local ACLU would take it because the employer is a public school.

If she did tell the school first and then went ahead after they said no, and dared them to find her by identifying herself as a teacher in the preface, maybe she intended all along to milk the conflict for publicity for the book. This could be considered shrewd marketing but would not help the lawsuit.
 
2012-12-11 10:37:05 PM
I'm going to take a guess that had it not been a erotic novel, the school would have looked the other way on the social networking issue and raved about how awesome it was that they had an english teacher who published a novel.
 
2012-12-11 10:46:14 PM

specialkae: I just purchased it. Why not? I haven't bothered with the 50 Shades of Gray thing, too expensive and if they're as poorly written as the first 3 Twilight books, I'd rather save my money and I don't indulge in this genre but maybe once every couple of years or so. But hey, 2.99? Even if the book sucks (insert snarky pun here at your leisure) I'm still going to support this lady's right to free speech. Hope it helps her to hire a truly kick arse attorney and win her right to free speech off of school hours and property.


This is all you need to know about 50 Shades of Gray

50 Shades of Gray Review
50 Shades Darker Review
50 Shades Freed Review
and...
50 Shades of Bad Writing (A review of the trilogy as a whole)

/Reviews complete with animated gifs and word/phrase counts like: "Oh My" - 178
//The Frank-N-Furter gif near the bottom of the first review is just priceless.
 
2012-12-11 10:52:08 PM

Fizpez: Great Janitor: JonnyG: So there's nothing wrong with every female teacher reading garbage like this as long as they didn't write it... Now that we have that straightened out.

Until some twit decides that they don't want their snowflake to be taught by someone with reading material like this, regardless of if they bring it to class or not, and then we end up holding teachers to a higher level of morality while asking "Why don't we have enough teachers?"

We've been told not to go to bars within the district we teach in (which comprises 5 "cities" - combined population of maybe 50-60,000). The theory being if we are spotted leaving a bar in an impaired state by one of our students it would reflect negatively on our character.


So, instead of hitting the local speakeasy, and risk being seen by junior in a state fit for his pa, you have to drive miles out and risk a dwi that would ACTUALLY hamper your ability to teach, not having a way to get to work, and all?
 
2012-12-11 11:01:59 PM

Gawdzila: Great Janitor: He'll, I killed a few thousand kittens thinking of my twenty-something 11th grade English teacher.

Me too man, me too. I even TA'd for her in 12th. Alas, for me TA ≠ T&A.


it was my math teacher for me, natural redhead, catholic school. same results as above.
 
2012-12-11 11:25:16 PM
FTA: November 3, 2011

What's with all the subby fail these days?
 
2012-12-11 11:27:09 PM
Heh. NVM. No more drinking for me tonight.
 
2012-12-11 11:35:12 PM
Said the outed teacher: "THANKS FOR THE PUBLICITY, MORONIC SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS!!!1!"
 
2012-12-11 11:55:15 PM
I just came here to say I'm apparently in the wrong genre.
 
2012-12-12 01:17:05 AM
This is okay. It's teaching the students that the right of free speech in this country is not all it's cracked up to be. If we're lucky, this will kill the hopes and dreams of some of the students who want to become writers themselves. We don't need more writers anyway. They have a tendency to be free thinkers, and we all know that free thinkers cause all kinds of trouble.
 
2012-12-12 01:57:36 AM

vrax: Let me guess, Canton is in "red" Ohio?




ehh, they're not terribly red. I mean, not as bad as some of the bumblefark towns further south. Canton is about 20-30 minutes south of Akron, where I grew up. Also, there's an airport there.

More importantly. I friggin know where this high school is! I did a really horrible community theatre production of Rogers and Hammerstein's "Cinderella" via the North Canton Playhouse back in '03....which at the time used the auditorium/theatre space of Hoover High School. I feel so unclean! lol
 
2012-12-12 04:58:19 AM
Sounds to me like she outed herself. No sympathy.
 
2012-12-12 09:02:27 AM

IamAwake: No one is suggesting she be sent to prison - first ammendment doesn't so much apply.


Unless the institution is receiving public funding.
 
2012-12-12 10:32:32 AM
I say DOWN WITH THE PURITAN MORAL ESTABLISHMENT.

FREEDOM!
 
2012-12-12 12:38:10 PM

kid_icarus: "His treachery runs deeper than you know...by fould craft Saruman has crossed Chelsea Handler with Fifty Shades of Grey, he's printing stacks of them in the caverns of Isengard..."


PURE. farkING. WIN. Thank you for my best laugh all week.
 
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