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2012-12-11 04:04:44 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: People need to decide if our educators are meant to be full-time role-models or free adults...

Everyone I talk to seems to have some arbitrary b.s. limit for what teachers are allowed to do in their free time. This lady just wrote a book, so that's okay. But if she were in a porno? Not okay. Unless it was a long time ago. Working as a stripper? Obviously that's not acceptable, right? Male teacher arrested for banging some tranny hooker outside in a park (outside of school hours) - well, OBVIOUSLY, in that case, we should consider what they do outside of class to impact their ability to teach. Right?

I don't much care either way, I'm just asking for some consistency.


This.

It seems to me that this should be a non-issue. Do teachers have to go before their higher ups or the school board to get every after hours hobby, money making endeavor or activity approved? If so, why stop there? Why not force teachers to eat only pre approved meals set forth by the school boards and fire them for not doing so? Why not have school officials randomly search the homes of teachers and check their computers for porn and questionable google searches.

In truth, the only jackasses who are behind this woman's suspension and pushing for her resignation are uptight parents who are holding up their ereaders with this book loaded and shouting "Think of the children!"
 
2012-12-11 04:05:05 PM
No one is suggesting she be sent to prison - first ammendment doesn't so much apply. First ammendment doesn't say anything about an employer having to retain someone under any particular circumstances.

That said, I can't see why she'd not think writing an erotic book with "A+ Schooled" on the cover, about a teacher that has sex with students (former or not) would cause problems. Why "former" students? Why not someone they met at a grocery store, online, in a bar, etc? She's paiting students as sex objects of a teacher. She, as a teacher, shouldn't do that and expect that everyone would think "oh, well, it's just fiction!" That's silly.
 
2012-12-11 04:05:20 PM
Doesn't add up...
Still doesn't add up...
Yet? Nope...

Then: "She was officially punished for using her school computer for "social networking of a personal nature."

There it is the real problem. My employer does not allow us to use social networking of any kind on company equipment and this includes accessing it from a wireless device via our guest wireless network. Blocks are in place, but don't always work. So if you get caught accessing a social network, you are subject to termination.

Fake butt-hurt is the worst kind.
 
2012-12-11 04:05:37 PM

NashMcNash: My wife is both a high school English teacher and a writer. It's really scary to think that something she writes during her down-time could get her fired from her job. Granted, she's writing fiction stories based on Greek mythology and not erotic novels. Safe, I suppose.


No. This was also fiction, and I promise you mythology has lots of sex and violence, so I don't think your wife would be safe - if 'anything we find distasteful' is the standard schools use.

Now if your wife wrote something poorly written in which no one said or did anything of interest, she could publish under her own name and the school would brag that one of their teachers is a writer.

/"I don't mind being held to a higher standard. I mind being held to a lesser one."
 
2012-12-11 04:06:08 PM
wait..

I can make money off the erotic fiction I write and post online

fug. okay. I gotta look into this, my stuff routinely gets 4.8 out of 5 stars where I post it.
 
2012-12-11 04:07:42 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: People need to decide if our educators are meant to be full-time role-models or free adults...

Everyone I talk to seems to have some arbitrary b.s. limit for what teachers are allowed to do in their free time. This lady just wrote a book, so that's okay. But if she were in a porno? Not okay. Unless it was a long time ago. Working as a stripper? Obviously that's not acceptable, right? Male teacher arrested for banging some tranny hooker outside in a park (outside of school hours) - well, OBVIOUSLY, in that case, we should consider what they do outside of class to impact their ability to teach. Right?

I don't much care either way, I'm just asking for some consistency.


Request granted. Once students can cite you as a reason why parents are wrong, you are no longer fit to teach. This rule is applied very consistently.
 
2012-12-11 04:09:08 PM

WhippingBoy: Why do so many ugly people read/write erotica. Don't they realize that it creeps the rest of us out?


Well, it could be worse. They could be flaunting their sexual preferences in a public forum, right "whippingboy"?
 
2012-12-11 04:09:35 PM

Spirit Hammer: NashMcNash: My wife is both a high school English teacher and a writer. It's really scary to think that something she writes during her down-time could get her fired from her job. Granted, she's writing fiction stories based on Greek mythology and not erotic novels. Safe, I suppose.

Good thing there's no sex in Greek mythology.


Beat me to it. Those Greek Gods, especially Zeus, got up to some nasty stuff.
 
2012-12-11 04:09:44 PM

skullkrusher: Carn: Useless without pics.

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throw the book at her


I bet those chins could catch the book and throw it back.
 
2012-12-11 04:11:09 PM

kvinesknows: wait..

I can make money off the erotic fiction I write and post online

fug. okay. I gotta look into this, my stuff routinely gets 4.8 out of 5 stars where I post it.


My lesbian stories get over 4 stars on Literortica. My cross dressing prostitute stories average one and a half. I guess fiction is more fun than real life
 
2012-12-11 04:13:08 PM

NashMcNash: My wife is both a high school English teacher and a writer. It's really scary to think that something she writes during her down-time could get her fired from her job. Granted, she's writing fiction stories based on Greek mythology and not erotic novels. Safe, I suppose.


Most writers are also teachers, unless they've hit it really big (that I know of anyway). And it's always a shame to hear them say "safe" in the same breath that they describe their work.

I know, I know, you didn't say that she's deliberately holding herself back to keep her job. You said her work was safe, not that she was playing it safe. No writer would ever say that. I just can't help but wonder what the unsaid chilling effect of this might be, considering most literary writers are also teachers, and how much it has shaped contemporary U.S. literature.

Eh, not that anybody reads anything anymore anyway, and if they do it's for high school / college and was probably written 50-100 years ago rather than contemporary, so I suppose it's a moot point. If you take a dump in the forest and nobody's there to see it...
 
2012-12-11 04:14:17 PM

Jake Havechek: More turgid members?


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Ms. Perky: Perfect!
 
2012-12-11 04:14:23 PM

Great Janitor: kvinesknows: wait..

I can make money off the erotic fiction I write and post online

fug. okay. I gotta look into this, my stuff routinely gets 4.8 out of 5 stars where I post it.

My lesbian stories get over 4 stars on Literortica. My cross dressing prostitute stories average one and a half. I guess fiction is more fun than real life


LOL.. oh man (tran?) if thats true.. totally hilarious.
 
2012-12-11 04:14:39 PM

WhippingBoy: dabbletech: Lsherm: The book is about a school teacher (naturally) that gets even with her cheating husband by having affairs with two former students.

As long as they are former students...

who are of legal age to consent...

Why? Can't you tell the difference between reality and fantasy?



No, I have no problem differentiating the two. But I see your point. By the way, did you know that your daughter's pediatrician has a penchant for child molestation-themed books? See, even though that's okay, you'd have to admit that you'd find it somewhat inappropriate. Unless you just want to be obtuse.
 
2012-12-11 04:15:10 PM

Lsherm: The book is about a school teacher (naturally) that gets even with her cheating husband by having affairs with two former students.

As long as they are former students...


It's fiction, so it does not matter.

What's next, getting fired for "impure thoughts?"
 
2012-12-11 04:15:49 PM

Spirit Hammer: NashMcNash: My wife is both a high school English teacher and a writer. It's really scary to think that something she writes during her down-time could get her fired from her job. Granted, she's writing fiction stories based on Greek mythology and not erotic novels. Safe, I suppose.

Good thing there's no sex in Greek mythology.


Or incest, pedophilia, beastiality, etc.
 
2012-12-11 04:17:18 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Request granted. Once students can cite you as a reason why parents are wrong, you are no longer fit to teach. This rule is applied very consistently.


So if the parents are die-hard young-earthers, and I teach geology...
 
2012-12-11 04:18:21 PM

ChubbyTiger: Spirit Hammer: NashMcNash: My wife is both a high school English teacher and a writer. It's really scary to think that something she writes during her down-time could get her fired from her job. Granted, she's writing fiction stories based on Greek mythology and not erotic novels. Safe, I suppose.

Good thing there's no sex in Greek mythology.

Or incest, pedophilia, beastiality, etc.


You must be think of the King James Version of the Bible.
 
2012-12-11 04:20:27 PM

kvinesknows: Great Janitor: kvinesknows: wait..

I can make money off the erotic fiction I write and post online

fug. okay. I gotta look into this, my stuff routinely gets 4.8 out of 5 stars where I post it.

My lesbian stories get over 4 stars on Literortica. My cross dressing prostitute stories average one and a half. I guess fiction is more fun than real life

LOL.. oh man (tran?) if thats true.. totally hilarious.


It is true that I wrote those stories. The prostitution was....a friend of mine....yeah, that's the ticket.
 
2012-12-11 04:21:48 PM
Pretty much par for the course - there's about 5 million legal things that anyone else can do that will potentially get a teacher fired. Doesnt even take a huge public outcry. All you need is one "offended" person and a conflict-allergic administrator and bing-bang-boom your union (if you're lucky) or your lawyer (if your not) is defending you by trying to make the ridiculous claim that what you did was totally legal and typical of normal people. Not that any of that will save your ass...
 
2012-12-11 04:21:50 PM

wingedkat: WhippingBoy: Why do so many ugly people read/write erotica. Don't they realize that it creeps the rest of us out?

Well, it could be worse. They could be flaunting their sexual preferences in a public forum, right "whippingboy"?


I have no sexual preferences. That part of me died a long time ago...
 
2012-12-11 04:23:33 PM
I guess this guy is lucky that writing thing worked out for him, because he might have been fired from his job teaching English for writing about a young girl's dirty pillows:

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2012-12-11 04:24:18 PM

IamAwake: No one is suggesting she be sent to prison - first ammendment doesn't so much apply. First ammendment doesn't say anything about an employer having to retain someone under any particular circumstances.

That said, I can't see why she'd not think writing an erotic book with "A+ Schooled" on the cover, about a teacher that has sex with students (former or not) would cause problems. Why "former" students? Why not someone they met at a grocery store, online, in a bar, etc? She's paiting students as sex objects of a teacher. She, as a teacher, shouldn't do that and expect that everyone would think "oh, well, it's just fiction!" That's silly.


Oh, fiddle faddle. Like someone would actually write an erotic fanfiction about having sex with students whilst being a teacher who was basing the book on her actual desire to have sex with her students. That's just crazy.
 
2012-12-11 04:24:35 PM
School administrators should follow a rule of thumb that any decision that lands on Fark is wrong.
 
2012-12-11 04:27:27 PM

Inflatable Rhetoric: Lsherm: The book is about a school teacher (naturally) that gets even with her cheating husband by having affairs with two former students.

As long as they are former students...

It's fiction, so it does not matter.

What's next, getting fired for "impure thoughts?"


Well, like everything else, context is key. If you're writing a book about a heroic Ephebophiliac who sleeps with underage boys to get back at her ex-husband, it's not illegal, but it's certainly creepy. Especially if you're someone who works with kids. "It's fiction" is a cop out. Imagine you had a co-worker who only wrote fictional stories about breaking into your house and killing you. Perfectly legal, but still farking creepy.

I mean, the Supreme Court ruled in 2002 that fake child porn is legal provided there are no real victims, but if my kid's teacher is like "wanna see my art?" and it's nothing but fake child porn, I'm raising my eyebrows. Whether or not it's a fireable offense is certainly debatable, but I'd still look at them sideways.
 
2012-12-11 04:28:06 PM

Great Janitor: kvinesknows: Great Janitor: kvinesknows: wait..

I can make money off the erotic fiction I write and post online

fug. okay. I gotta look into this, my stuff routinely gets 4.8 out of 5 stars where I post it.

My lesbian stories get over 4 stars on Literortica. My cross dressing prostitute stories average one and a half. I guess fiction is more fun than real life

LOL.. oh man (tran?) if thats true.. totally hilarious.

It is true that I wrote those stories. The prostitution was....a friend of mine....yeah, that's the ticket.


sucks to be you!

:P
 
2012-12-11 04:29:30 PM
THIS IS AN OUTR...

wait...

It's a book about banging students (albeit it "former" students) and she was using school computers to conduct her erotic literature business?

Sorry, biatch. You deserve the scorn you got if for nothing other than being creepy and stupid. 

She's lucky she didn't get fired or worse.
 
2012-12-11 04:31:23 PM

Lsherm: Well, like everything else, context is key. If you're writing a book about a heroic Ephebophiliac who sleeps with underage boys to get back at her ex-husband, it's not illegal, but it's certainly creepy. Especially if you're someone who works with kids. "It's fiction" is a cop out. Imagine you had a co-worker who only wrote fictional stories about breaking into your house and killing you. Perfectly legal, but still farking creepy.


The former students of a high school teacher likely aren't underage.
 
2012-12-11 04:39:47 PM

WhippingBoy: Why do so many ugly people read/write erotica. Don't they realize that it creeps the rest of us out?


Why would anyone check out the author before reading smut? Do you also limit your self to porn produced by guys you find attractive?
 
2012-12-11 04:40:09 PM

you have pee hands: Lsherm: Well, like everything else, context is key. If you're writing a book about a heroic Ephebophiliac who sleeps with underage boys to get back at her ex-husband, it's not illegal, but it's certainly creepy. Especially if you're someone who works with kids. "It's fiction" is a cop out. Imagine you had a co-worker who only wrote fictional stories about breaking into your house and killing you. Perfectly legal, but still farking creepy.

The former students of a high school teacher likely aren't underage.


HE'S 22!

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2012-12-11 04:40:29 PM

China White Tea: BarkingUnicorn: Request granted. Once students can cite you as a reason why parents are wrong, you are no longer fit to teach. This rule is applied very consistently.

So if the parents are die-hard young-earthers, and I teach geology...


Then the whole public school system is unfit to teach; we need vouchers for charter schools and home-schooling. At the least, we need equal time for young-earth theory. Or we can make geology an elective.

The rule is applied consistently. What's done when it's violated varies from case to case. Typically, the path of least resistance is chosen.
 
2012-12-11 04:40:34 PM
Back in Grandma's day only single women could teach school.

Why?

They feared that a married woman might get pregnant, causing scandal and controversy and making the children ask embarrassing questions on taboo topics.

Apparently times haven't changed much.
 
2012-12-11 04:41:24 PM
My Daughter's English teacher... yeah... we're so proud...
 
2012-12-11 04:43:58 PM
So, she taught high school and published a novel about banging former students. Sounds to me like someone might have gotten a bit frustrated bring around jail bait all day and wrote the book as a creative outlet.

I am honestly surprised this doesn't happen more often. I know I had a couple teachers who had the "In a year or so you'll be legal and not my student." thought about a few of their students. He'll, I killed a few thousand kittens thinking of my twenty-something 11th grade English teacher. And after the story about her, the photocopier and how her lipstick got smeared onto the neck of the history teacher who looked like a former 90210 cast member, I knew she had a freaky side to her.
 
2012-12-11 04:44:22 PM

Amos Quito: Back in Grandma's day only single women could teach school.

Why?

They feared that a married woman might get pregnant, causing scandal and controversy and making the children ask embarrassing questions on taboo topics.


And here I thought it was to get some use out of the worthless spinsters.
 
2012-12-11 04:44:42 PM

GoNads!: My Daughter's English teacher... yeah... we're so proud...



You should be proud that she can actually write English coherently enough to enjoyed. Maybe this will inspire your own kid to start writing.
 
2012-12-11 04:45:26 PM
His throbbing love spear was pounded into her quivering love pudding
 
2012-12-11 04:45:31 PM

Mike Chewbacca: HE'S 22!

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2012-12-11 04:47:14 PM

beakerxf: WhippingBoy: Why do so many ugly people read/write erotica. Don't they realize that it creeps the rest of us out?

Why would anyone check out the author before reading smut? Do you also limit your self to porn produced by guys you find attractive?


When I read erotic stories, I avoid girl/girl stories written by men. I prefer stories written by someone who might have experience on the subject. That is the only reason why I check out an author before reading the story.
 
2012-12-11 04:51:51 PM

Great Janitor: beakerxf: WhippingBoy: Why do so many ugly people read/write erotica. Don't they realize that it creeps the rest of us out?

Why would anyone check out the author before reading smut? Do you also limit your self to porn produced by guys you find attractive?

When I read erotic stories, I avoid girl/girl stories written by men. I prefer stories written by someone who might have experience on the subject. That is the only reason why I check out an author before reading the story.



Seriously?

How can you tell that the author is telling the truth about their gender when they're using a pen name? For that matter how can you tell its a pen name unless that author says as much?
 
2012-12-11 04:52:29 PM

Great Janitor:

Sounds to me like someone might have gotten a bit frustrated bring around jail bait all day and wrote the book as a creative outlet.


Nah, simply greed for money and/or attention. "She got the idea after a friend of hers wrote an erotic fiction book that reached the top of the charts."

Amateur novelists generally borrow heavily from their real lives.
 
2012-12-11 04:53:32 PM

you have pee hands: Lsherm: Well, like everything else, context is key. If you're writing a book about a heroic Ephebophiliac who sleeps with underage boys to get back at her ex-husband, it's not illegal, but it's certainly creepy. Especially if you're someone who works with kids. "It's fiction" is a cop out. Imagine you had a co-worker who only wrote fictional stories about breaking into your house and killing you. Perfectly legal, but still farking creepy.

The former students of a high school teacher likely aren't underage.


Yeah, that.

Would this even be a scandal in, say, Europe? Would it even be news?
 
2012-12-11 04:54:32 PM
It isn't like she wrote it under her real name and was seeking attention. Pretty ridiculous that she's been put on leave.
 
2012-12-11 04:55:06 PM

Clutch2013: Would this even be a scandal in, say, Europe? Would it even be news?


Is the Daily Mail published in Europe?
 
2012-12-11 04:55:23 PM

Cyber_Junk: GoNads!: My Daughter's English teacher... yeah... we're so proud...


You should be proud that she can actually write English coherently enough to enjoyed. Maybe this will inspire your own kid to start writing.


Consider her "inspired"
 
2012-12-11 04:57:33 PM
School principal:
 
2012-12-11 05:00:24 PM

Cyber_Junk: Great Janitor: beakerxf: WhippingBoy: Why do so many ugly people read/write erotica. Don't they realize that it creeps the rest of us out?

Why would anyone check out the author before reading smut? Do you also limit your self to porn produced by guys you find attractive?

When I read erotic stories, I avoid girl/girl stories written by men. I prefer stories written by someone who might have experience on the subject. That is the only reason why I check out an author before reading the story.


Seriously?

How can you tell that the author is telling the truth about their gender when they're using a pen name? For that matter how can you tell its a pen name unless that author says as much?


Yes,I do realize that I am limited to filtering by names that are obviously male or female, and that it is entirely possible that they could be male pretending to be female.
 
2012-12-11 05:03:25 PM
She shouldn't have had it be about sleeping with former students. If a male teacher wrote about sleeping with his ex-students a lot of the people who aren't upset would be upset. If a male teacher wrote about sleeping with male ex-students? Not as sexy then?

If a garbage truck driver or a postal employee wrote about giving extra-special service to certain customers, no problem. If a teacher wrote porn that stayed out of the pants of any of her past or present students pants, no problem. Teachers work around minors though, and they have to avoid even the appearance of impropriety. It would be like a judge writing a crime novel where the hero was a crooked judge. It might be a good read, but anyone going before that judge would have a legitimate right to be upset.
 
2012-12-11 05:07:21 PM
Also, I like how the article notes that she was officially punished for using a school computer to access a social networking site. Almost as if there was no way to punish her for publishing a novel under an assumed name...

Back when I worked in fast food (and wore an onion on my belt) we had to break down every cardboard box before it would fit in the recycling bin out back. We also had to remove the boxes from where they built up as fast as the manager deemed necessary. It was patiently explained to me that first week that this was so that they could fire any one at any time. All they had to do was make taking out the boxes part of your job: either you broke them down first and weren't fast enough (there was no set time to beat) or you didn't and were going against the company green policy.

Do other teachers/admin ever check their facebook? This sounds like the school's 'take out the recycling' emergency escape hatch for anyone they want to fire.

/yes, I know some companies are strict about internet access
//just noting we have no information about whether this school is one of them
 
2012-12-11 05:07:55 PM
What? He just proved that any idiot can write erotic fiction.
 
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