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2012-12-11 11:30:22 AM  
It's Iran, who seem to be the sort to look for a reason to complain. if it wasn't the soles of Tejler's feet, it would be something else that the Western Infidel did to upset Ahmadinejad.
 
2012-12-11 11:49:03 AM  
Hey, Ahmadinejad!

www.girlwithnoname.com
 
2012-12-11 12:00:28 PM  
Did he shake hands with the hand he wipes with? That's another no-no.
 
2012-12-11 12:05:49 PM  
If something as simple as sitting with your legs crossed is an insult in your culture, then your culture is stupid.
 
2012-12-11 12:15:39 PM  
Maybe he MEANT to do it!
 
2012-12-11 12:45:11 PM  
img717.imageshack.us

I cant hang out with anyone who sees this as offensive.
 
2012-12-11 01:30:07 PM  
A happy, unintentional coincidence!
 
2012-12-11 01:32:06 PM  
A furious Mr Ahmadinejad returned the gesture and also crossed his legs 'in response to the impoliteness of his interlocutor

OH SNAP!
 
2012-12-11 01:34:57 PM  
REALLY? How else to hide his boner for Mr Ahmadinejad?
 
2012-12-11 01:35:00 PM  
Wouldn't want to be impolite to Iran. They are so nice to everybody.
 
2012-12-11 01:35:43 PM  

SpikeStrip: A furious Mr Ahmadinejad returned the gesture and also crossed his legs 'in response to the impoliteness of his interlocutor

OH SNAP!


Yeah, that made me lol. It just seems like such a childish response, particularly if the faux pas is so offensive. I dunno, then you wouldn't do it yourself, would you?
 
2012-12-11 01:35:51 PM  
The action goes against the custom of some Muslim countries, which considers shoes unclean because they are 'closer to the ground, closer to the devil and farther away from God'.


Grow the fark up, you children.
 
2012-12-11 01:36:03 PM  
They should be more tolerant to Swedish culture and other foreign culture. Iran's cultural imperialism is disgusting.
 
2012-12-11 01:36:22 PM  
Being Ahmandinejad, he'd find a way to be insulted if nothing had happened.
 
2012-12-11 01:36:24 PM  
That's a stupid insult you're a stupid people.
 
2012-12-11 01:37:16 PM  
Exposing the soles of your feet? That's an imprisoning.
 
2012-12-11 01:37:18 PM  

ITGreen: Hey, Ahmadinejad!

[www.girlwithnoname.com image 350x400]

 

COME AT ME MO!!!!!!

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-11 01:37:29 PM  
A furious Mr Ahmadinejad returned the gesture and also crossed his legs 'in response to the impoliteness of his interlocutor', as the Iranian news agency Asiran put it.


Dear Sweden,

This is the sort of "tolerance" that you're falling all over yourself to tolerate. Enjoy.

Love,

Realistic People
 
2012-12-11 01:37:46 PM  

jaylectricity: Maybe he MEANT to do it!


We can only hope.
 
2012-12-11 01:37:56 PM  
"Exposing the soles of feet to public officials is a gesture that can land offenders in prison in the extremist Islamic state."

WTF is wrong with these people, seriously.
 
2012-12-11 01:38:05 PM  
Sounds like some BS from the Iranian state news agency. Even if it's not... meh. If that's all it takes then no wonder your country is a theocratic shiathole. Their priorities are ridiculously out of whack. Not that we didn't already know that...
 
2012-12-11 01:38:18 PM  

BigNumber12: The action goes against the custom of some Muslim countries, which considers shoes unclean because they are 'closer to the ground, closer to the devil and farther away from God'.


Grow the fark up, you children.


Honestly, I always thought it was because shoes are, you know, dirty from walking in the filth all day.
 
2012-12-11 01:38:33 PM  
Seriously, that's got to be the weirdest farking "insult" I've ever heard of.

Of course, I live in a first-world country, and like many of my fellow countrymen, ignorant of other cultures.
 
2012-12-11 01:38:37 PM  

ChipNASA: ITGreen: Hey, Ahmadinejad!

[www.girlwithnoname.com image 350x400] 

COME AT ME MO!!!!!!

[i.imgur.com image 450x404]


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-11 01:38:38 PM  

SpikeStrip: A furious Mr Ahmadinejad returned the gesture and also crossed his legs 'in response to the impoliteness of his interlocutor

OH SNAP!


I just want you to know that has me busting up, too. Trying to hold it in in my workplace.

/it's the little things
 
2012-12-11 01:38:41 PM  
Superstitious dickheads. Go f*ck a goat.
 
2012-12-11 01:38:42 PM  
Who doesn't know that exposing the soles of your feet is considered an insult in most of the Muslim world?
 
2012-12-11 01:38:50 PM  
Protesters threw their shoes at leaders, or used the heels to smash images of them, during the wave of Arab spring revolutions over the past two years.

I wonder if they keep old shoes for the purpose of throwing those shoes at protests. It would be pretty stupid to throw your new Air Jordans into a crowd every time you get enraged about something.
 
2012-12-11 01:39:14 PM  
Primitive screw heads are primitive screw heads...who would have figured.
 
2012-12-11 01:39:27 PM  
Odd, a pakistani gentleman assured me that the gesture was only insulting to country rubes that might have tracked poop in on their shoes.
 
2012-12-11 01:39:27 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Being Ahmandinejad, he'd find a way to be insulted if nothing had happened.


Is he a Republican?
 
2012-12-11 01:39:32 PM  
i.istockimg.com
 
2012-12-11 01:39:40 PM  

give me doughnuts: If something as simple as sitting with your legs crossed is an insult in your culture, then your culture is stupid.


Idiot. Every grown-up knows that all cultures are equal.
 
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2012-12-11 01:39:50 PM  
Problem goes deeper than idiotic customs. Problem is ANYTHING & ANYBODY who isn't of their faith is insulting to them. To put it in simpler terms: They're idiots.
 
2012-12-11 01:40:00 PM  

BigNumber12: The action goes against the custom of some Muslim countries, which considers shoes unclean because they are 'closer to the ground, closer to the devil and farther away from God'.


Grow the fark up, you children.



Yes, they're not people, they're "children" to you. How enlightened of you. This is why nationbuilding fails, BTW.
 
2012-12-11 01:40:40 PM  
It seems like a good diplomat could look at a situation and say "Gee, that person didn't grow up in my culture. Maybe I can cut him some slack over him not knowing every stupid little local idiosyncrasy. You know, so we can actually get some work done and quit pretending we're deliberately insulting each other through body language."
 
2012-12-11 01:40:41 PM  
Clearly these people need more nuclear weapons.
 
2012-12-11 01:40:53 PM  
Conservatives are petty little animals.
 
2012-12-11 01:41:11 PM  
Oh for fark's sake. Grow up and clean the sand out of your vaginas.
 
2012-12-11 01:41:31 PM  
When you visit an islamic shiathole you better learn the proper tribal moronic customs. He should have leaned to Ahmadinejad and whisper "you know i'm gay, right ? and how is your good wife doing ?" to really piss him off.
 
2012-12-11 01:41:42 PM  
I sense much RW butthurt over the fact that all Iranians have not yet been exterminated.

I don't think the world is going to let you corporate looters have that oil, so get over it, pull yourselves up by your bootstraps and find your own oil.
 
2012-12-11 01:41:43 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Gyrfalcon: Being Ahmandinejad, he'd find a way to be insulted if nothing had happened.

Is he a Republican?


Yes, but neither he nor the Republicans want to admit it.
 
2012-12-11 01:42:00 PM  

JerkyMeat: Conservatives are petty little animals.


ugh, at least try when you're trolling
 
2012-12-11 01:42:02 PM  
I'll help...

blog.corewalking.com
 
2012-12-11 01:42:06 PM  
Okay, I'm thinking -- what could possibly be similar in our culture? Accidentally using the N-word to refer to President Obama? Using the middle finger to point to the ceiling or something? Talking with food in his mouth? Slapping Secretary Clinton on the ass?
 
2012-12-11 01:42:36 PM  
I can almost get the left hand thing, but this is just dumb.


Plus if it is so rude and offensive then these crybabies have no room to complain when their leader (who knows it is an insult) does it back.
 
2012-12-11 01:42:39 PM  
There are a lot of people in the world, both in Iran and in every other country, who need to quit being outraged by every little damn innocuous thing that happens.

\If you don't think it happens here in the US, then I would encourage you to read a little bit about the "War on Christmas" which, as I understand it, is taking place right now!
 
2012-12-11 01:42:47 PM  

BigNumber12: The action goes against the custom of some Muslim countries, which considers shoes unclean because they are 'closer to the ground, closer to the devil and farther away from God'.


Grow the fark up, you children.


We're no better. As a matter of fact, we can get much, much more immature over the pettiest of things.

Someone calls someone else a bad name and we go all apeshiat. A nipple shows up and we lament the horrors of sex. My precious snowflake hurt herself on the playground, let's ban playground equipment!

I have better reasons to not like certain cultures...this is a funnier one.

stoning girls, lack of education, inequality, boys as sex toys (but it's not homosexual; it's the way it is), etc., etc.
 
2012-12-11 01:43:29 PM  
and god forbid a man wear pink on the second wednesday of the month......and whole bunch of other non-sensical seemingly random things that are made up that is "insulting" to our people.
 
2012-12-11 01:43:48 PM  

whidbey: BigNumber12: The action goes against the custom of some Muslim countries, which considers shoes unclean because they are 'closer to the ground, closer to the devil and farther away from God'.


Grow the fark up, you children.


Yes, they're not people, they're "children" to you. How enlightened of you. This is why nationbuilding fails, BTW.


Worked just fine in Japan and Germany.
 
2012-12-11 01:43:50 PM  

meanmutton: Okay, I'm thinking -- what could possibly be similar in our culture?


See that's the thing.

There isn't. Amusing to watch all the racism bubbling up to the surface in this thread, though. For awhile, anyway. Then I'll do something else.
 
2012-12-11 01:44:09 PM  
The action goes against the custom of some Muslim countries, which considers shoes unclean because they are 'closer to the ground, closer to the devil and farther away from God'.

You ever stop to think that shoes are the only thing that's keeping your souls from being a quarter inch closer to the devil and the ground?
 
2012-12-11 01:44:15 PM  

meanmutton: Okay, I'm thinking -- what could possibly be similar in our culture? Accidentally using the N-word to refer to President Obama? Using the middle finger to point to the ceiling or something? Talking with food in his mouth? Slapping Secretary Clinton on the ass?


Most of those things wouldn't be considered innocent in other cultures, though. Maybe the accidental middle finger, but those other examples would be offensive in basically all societies.
 
2012-12-11 01:44:29 PM  

meanmutton: Okay, I'm thinking -- what could possibly be similar in our culture? Accidentally using the N-word to refer to President Obama? Using the middle finger to point to the ceiling or something? Talking with food in his mouth? Slapping Secretary Clinton on the ass?


The middle finger pointing at the ceiling is just right.
 
2012-12-11 01:44:39 PM  

whidbey: BigNumber12: The action goes against the custom of some Muslim countries, which considers shoes unclean because they are 'closer to the ground, closer to the devil and farther away from God'.


Grow the fark up, you children.


Yes, they're not people, they're "children" to you. How enlightened of you. This is why nationbuilding fails, BTW.



Yes, we should fall all over ourselves to accommodate every last superstition they hold, and accept whatever retaliation they deem just if / when we screw up. Feeding their superstition = enlightened, if one goes by your book. Just like the actual Enlightenment, which cherished and maintained all of those precious Middle Age customs, right?

Pardon me for expecting a nuclear weapon-seeking world leader to behave like a reasonable adult.
 
2012-12-11 01:44:43 PM  
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feet are evil because they'll closer to the devil and further from god? don't tell this man.
 
2012-12-11 01:44:46 PM  

ITGreen: Hey, Ahmadinejad!
[www.girlwithnoname.com image 350x400]


2guysphoto.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-11 01:45:15 PM  
NEXT TIME go with this.....

www.whoaorno.com 
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i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-11 01:45:46 PM  

whidbey: Seriously, that's got to be the weirdest farking "insult" I've ever heard of.

Of course, I live in a first-world country, and like many of my fellow countrymen, ignorant of other cultures.


Nope, they mentioned it Blackhawk Down. People on the ground were mad at the soldiers feet dangling out as they flew over...Among other things, of course.

How are you Whidbey? Years and years ago you would always enter a thread with a lovely picture of the Pacific NW.
 
2012-12-11 01:46:17 PM  

meanmutton: whidbey: BigNumber12: The action goes against the custom of some Muslim countries, which considers shoes unclean because they are 'closer to the ground, closer to the devil and farther away from God'.


Grow the fark up, you children.


Yes, they're not people, they're "children" to you. How enlightened of you. This is why nationbuilding fails, BTW.

Worked just fine in Japan and Germany.


It wasn't "nationbuilildng." It was reconstruction of two conquered countries we went to war with.

"Nationbuilding" refers to farking around in a country that didn't attack us, and attempting to tinker with it until we can contain it.

Not even the same thing, though superficially similar.
 
2012-12-11 01:46:44 PM  

BigNumber12: give me doughnuts: If something as simple as sitting with your legs crossed is an insult in your culture, then your culture is stupid.

Idiot. Every grown-up knows that all cultures are equal.


Nope. Some of them really suck.
 
2012-12-11 01:46:53 PM  
Those People seem to have a kind of shoe/foot fetish thing going on.
 
2012-12-11 01:47:11 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: meanmutton: Okay, I'm thinking -- what could possibly be similar in our culture? Accidentally using the N-word to refer to President Obama? Using the middle finger to point to the ceiling or something? Talking with food in his mouth? Slapping Secretary Clinton on the ass?

Most of those things wouldn't be considered innocent in other cultures, though. Maybe the accidental middle finger, but those other examples would be offensive in basically all societies.


Lots of places talk with food in their mouths and treat women as sex objects. Also, it's not a stretch to assume someone gets the French word for black confused with the English racial slur considering that they're so close.
 
2012-12-11 01:47:28 PM  
media.washtimes.com
maybe you realize that the dude is from Sweden and didn't mean anything by it. Part of me respecting your culture is you respecting mine.
 
2012-12-11 01:47:31 PM  
Someone just need to drop a couple thousand pairs of shoes in Iran with a tag that says, "throw me" and we can have this guy out in less than a month.
 
2012-12-11 01:47:33 PM  
www.indiantvtoday.com

She must really give them a fat-wa...
 
2012-12-11 01:47:58 PM  

whidbey: meanmutton: whidbey: BigNumber12: The action goes against the custom of some Muslim countries, which considers shoes unclean because they are 'closer to the ground, closer to the devil and farther away from God'.


Grow the fark up, you children.


Yes, they're not people, they're "children" to you. How enlightened of you. This is why nationbuilding fails, BTW.

Worked just fine in Japan and Germany.

It wasn't "nationbuilildng." It was reconstruction of two conquered countries we went to war with.

"Nationbuilding" refers to farking around in a country that didn't attack us, and attempting to tinker with it until we can contain it.

Not even the same thing, though superficially similar.


Germany didn't attack the US; we attacked them.
 
2012-12-11 01:48:08 PM  

SovietCanuckistan: How are you Whidbey? Years and years ago you would always enter a thread with a lovely picture of the Pacific NW.


I used to do that in the Fark Forum, but it unfortunately got taken over by severe derpage a while back Still up here, though, and it's still beautiful, even on a greyly day like this. :)
 
2012-12-11 01:48:25 PM  

jaylectricity: The action goes against the custom of some Muslim countries, which considers shoes unclean because they are 'closer to the ground, closer to the devil and farther away from God'.

You ever stop to think that shoes are the only thing that's keeping your souls from being a quarter inch closer to the devil and the ground?


Who's to say his god isn't the earth, and that he was merely showing respect by taking his smelly monkey feet off of it?
 
2012-12-11 01:48:54 PM  
I love the comments, outrage be upon them.
 
2012-12-11 01:49:00 PM  

WhoGAS: We're no better.


This is their chief political leader and highest-ranking diplomat. It's quite indicative of their government's current mindset that he expects the rest of the world to accommodate their every last cultural superstition.

If we're "no better," can you find an example of our Head of State doing the equivalent of this, rather than nonspecific generalizations about soccer moms and pop stars?
 
2012-12-11 01:49:20 PM  

meanmutton: It wasn't "nationbuilildng." It was reconstruction of two conquered countries we went to war with.

"Nationbuilding" refers to farking around in a country that didn't attack us, and attempting to tinker with it until we can contain it.

Not even the same thing, though superficially similar.

Germany didn't attack the US; we attacked them.


Not really interested in your game of semantics, and I doubt I'm going to change your mind.
 
2012-12-11 01:50:02 PM  
Suprise, suprise, the two morons I have previously highlighted as such in this thread have tried to blame western "ignorance" and "butthurt over the fact that all Iranians have not yet been exterminated" for this.
 
2012-12-11 01:50:59 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: [img717.imageshack.us image 600x800]

I cant hang out with anyone who sees this as offensive.


It offends my country that you only posted one picture.
Hurry up and correct this before it becomes an international incident!
 
2012-12-11 01:51:14 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Gyrfalcon: Being Ahmandinejad, he'd find a way to be insulted if nothing had happened.

Is he a Republican?


They hate all the same things.
 
2012-12-11 01:51:25 PM  

give me doughnuts: BigNumber12: give me doughnuts: If something as simple as sitting with your legs crossed is an insult in your culture, then your culture is stupid.

Idiot. Every grown-up knows that all cultures are equal.

Nope. Some of them really suck.


mcbain.jpg
 
2012-12-11 01:52:22 PM  
So I guess there are no Feet threads on Iranian /b/ ?
 
2012-12-11 01:52:42 PM  

BigNumber12: WhoGAS: We're no better.

This is their chief political leader and highest-ranking diplomat. It's quite indicative of their government's current mindset that he expects the rest of the world to accommodate their every last cultural superstition.

If we're "no better," can you find an example of our Head of State doing the equivalent of this, rather than nonspecific generalizations about soccer moms and pop stars?


Keep playing that ugly American. I'm sure it's going to score as "better" than those [insert racial slur geared towards Iranians.]
 
2012-12-11 01:52:55 PM  

whidbey: meanmutton: whidbey: BigNumber12: The action goes against the custom of some Muslim countries, which considers shoes unclean because they are 'closer to the ground, closer to the devil and farther away from God'.


Grow the fark up, you children.


Yes, they're not people, they're "children" to you. How enlightened of you. This is why nationbuilding fails, BTW.

Worked just fine in Japan and Germany.

It wasn't "nationbuilildng." It was reconstruction of two conquered countries we went to war with.

"Nationbuilding" refers to farking around in a country that didn't attack us, and attempting to tinker with it until we can contain it.

Not even the same thing, though superficially similar.


Oh, I think both of those nations would disagree that there wasn't a substantial American impact on their culture Link

Also, your definition of nation building seems to be one I'm unfamiliar with as there doesn't appear to be a prerequisite for being attacked and/or attacking.
 
2012-12-11 01:53:45 PM  
So I guess unzipping and scratching my bass is out. Good to know.
 
2012-12-11 01:53:55 PM  

deadsanta: "Exposing the soles of feet to public officials is a gesture that can land offenders in prison in the extremist Islamic state."

WTF is wrong with these people, seriously.


i.ytimg.com
 
2012-12-11 01:54:30 PM  
content.answcdn.com
 
2012-12-11 01:54:35 PM  

whidbey: meanmutton: It wasn't "nationbuilildng." It was reconstruction of two conquered countries we went to war with.

"Nationbuilding" refers to farking around in a country that didn't attack us, and attempting to tinker with it until we can contain it.

Not even the same thing, though superficially similar.

Germany didn't attack the US; we attacked them.

Not really interested in your game of semantics, and I doubt I'm going to change your mind.


Oh come on, it's this or more of the racism...

What people say "nation building doesn't work", they generally are talking about Serbia, Iraq, and Afghanistan -- all countries which we conquered and then "nation-built".
 
2012-12-11 01:55:23 PM  

Abuse Liability: whidbey: meanmutton: whidbey: BigNumber12: The action goes against the custom of some Muslim countries, which considers shoes unclean because they are 'closer to the ground, closer to the devil and farther away from God'.


Grow the fark up, you children.


Yes, they're not people, they're "children" to you. How enlightened of you. This is why nationbuilding fails, BTW.

Worked just fine in Japan and Germany.

It wasn't "nationbuilildng." It was reconstruction of two conquered countries we went to war with.

"Nationbuilding" refers to farking around in a country that didn't attack us, and attempting to tinker with it until we can contain it.

Not even the same thing, though superficially similar.

Oh, I think both of those nations would disagree that there wasn't a substantial American impact on their culture Link

Also, your definition of nation building seems to be one I'm unfamiliar with as there doesn't appear to be a prerequisite for being attacked and/or attacking.


Whether it's my definition or not, I believe I explained the distinction, and Germany and Japan aren't ANYTHING like what attempted in Afghanistan/Iraq, etc.
 
2012-12-11 01:55:25 PM  

whidbey: Yes, they're not people, they're "children" to you. How enlightened of you. This is why nationbuilding fails, BTW.


If you're insulted because you've seen the bottom of somebody's shoe, yes, you are an arrogant, petty child, and THAT mindset is "why nation-building fails." NOT because you choose to be insulted by a gesture with no more meaning than running your fingers through your hair, but because you look for any petty reason at all to literally explode with stupidity and hatred. Religion is the most lame excuse for bigotry there could ever be. It's like arguing to the point of crossing swords over who is the sexiest Disney Princess: Belle, Jasmine, or Ariel.
 
2012-12-11 01:56:09 PM  
This whole article reads like something from The Onion.
 
2012-12-11 01:56:18 PM  

whidbey: I'm sure it's going to score as "better" than those [insert racial slur geared towards Iranians.]


Ah, calling me a racist. How modern of you.

whidbey: Keep playing that ugly American.


Don't refute my ideas - that might be challenging. Better to call names.

Good luck in your "Respect Traditional FGM" campaign - it must be a tough sell here in the U.S.
 
2012-12-11 01:56:27 PM  

meanmutton: Oh come on, it's this or more of the racism...

What people say "nation building doesn't work", they generally are talking about Serbia, Iraq, and Afghanistan -- all countries which we conquered and then "nation-built".


Sure we did. Now run along.
 
2012-12-11 01:57:18 PM  
I wish someone would send a tranny ambasador to talk to these islamic savages, that would be great theater
 
2012-12-11 01:57:28 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: [img717.imageshack.us image 600x800]

I cant hang out with anyone who sees this as offensive.


Damn...she is fine!! I concur with your point.

/newsletter please
 
2012-12-11 01:57:40 PM  

whidbey: Abuse Liability: whidbey: meanmutton: whidbey: BigNumber12: The action goes against the custom of some Muslim countries, which considers shoes unclean because they are 'closer to the ground, closer to the devil and farther away from God'.


Grow the fark up, you children.


Yes, they're not people, they're "children" to you. How enlightened of you. This is why nationbuilding fails, BTW.

Worked just fine in Japan and Germany.

It wasn't "nationbuilildng." It was reconstruction of two conquered countries we went to war with.

"Nationbuilding" refers to farking around in a country that didn't attack us, and attempting to tinker with it until we can contain it.

Not even the same thing, though superficially similar.

Oh, I think both of those nations would disagree that there wasn't a substantial American impact on their culture Link

Also, your definition of nation building seems to be one I'm unfamiliar with as there doesn't appear to be a prerequisite for being attacked and/or attacking.

Whether it's my definition or not, I believe I explained the distinction, and Germany and Japan aren't ANYTHING like what attempted in Afghanistan/Iraq, etc.


Conquered the country, deposed a vile dictator, replaced it with a democratic form of government, stuck around and provided military support to the new democratic government? The only real difference I see is that our military still occupies Germany and Japan but we left Iraq.
 
2012-12-11 01:58:22 PM  

whidbey: meanmutton: whidbey: BigNumber12: The action goes against the custom of some Muslim countries, which considers shoes unclean because they are 'closer to the ground, closer to the devil and farther away from God'.


Grow the fark up, you children.


Yes, they're not people, they're "children" to you. How enlightened of you. This is why nationbuilding fails, BTW.

Worked just fine in Japan and Germany.

It wasn't "nationbuilildng." It was reconstruction of two conquered countries we went to war with.

"Nationbuilding" refers to farking around in a country that didn't attack us, and attempting to tinker with it until we can contain it.

Not even the same thing, though superficially similar.


Yes, 'nationbuilding' refers to cause for invasion, not expending effort to build a nation. How silly of these people to think otherwise.
 
2012-12-11 01:58:32 PM  

BigNumber12: whidbey: I'm sure it's going to score as "better" than those [insert racial slur geared towards Iranians.]

Ah, calling me a racist. How modern of you.


You are one.

whidbey: Keep playing that ugly American.

Don't refute my ideas - that might be challenging. Better to call names.



I don't see any ideas worth refuting. You're a bigot, and all you're doing is exuding the stereotype that the rest of the world thinks of when the word "Ugly American" is used.

Love it, live it if it does that much good for you.
 
2012-12-11 01:59:52 PM  

H31N0US: Who doesn't know that exposing the soles of your feet is considered an insult in most of the Muslim world?

 

No merde!

//my pet hate--White boys from Naperville
//who suck directly on the chillum. 

//I think it is more of an Arabic thing than a Muslim thing. I don't think this is a problem in Philippines.
 
2012-12-11 02:00:20 PM  

HAMMERTOE: who is the sexiest Disney Princess: Belle, Jasmine, or Ariel.


It's totally Belle. If you disagree, you're a farking heathen and you'll taste my wrath!
 
2012-12-11 02:00:33 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: [img717.imageshack.us image 600x800]

I cant hang out with anyone who sees this as offensive.


nice white panties
 
2012-12-11 02:01:00 PM  

BigNumber12: WhoGAS: We're no better.

This is their chief political leader and highest-ranking diplomat. It's quite indicative of their government's current mindset that he expects the rest of the world to accommodate their every last cultural superstition.

If we're "no better," can you find an example of our Head of State doing the equivalent of this, rather than nonspecific generalizations about soccer moms and pop stars?


Yes. I can find examples.

No, I will not post them here to placate your desire to argue for argument's sake. We all know that no matter what I post, the argument will change and you already know the data you've requested.

Regardless, they keep their superstitions and religion to themselves and I'm fine with them. We visit their house and they have weird rituals, then I'm fine with them. However, they come to my house and expect me to placate their weird rituals, then no, I will not worry about that.

But it's up to the visitor of the house to follow the house rules to maintain peace.
 
2012-12-11 02:01:11 PM  

meanmutton: Conquered the country, deposed a vile dictator, replaced it with a democratic form of government, stuck around and provided military support to the new democratic government? The only real difference I see is that our military still occupies Germany and Japan but we left Iraq.


Yeah except for the fact that we didn't actually declare or go to war with Iran or Afghanistan. What's more, we set the stage for both fiascos by installing dictators or standing by while other countries installed puppet regimes.

Your comparison is dishonest, and you still making the mistake of thinking "reconstruction" is the same thing. We suck at nationbuilding because we are wrong to do it.
 
2012-12-11 02:01:19 PM  

meanmutton: Germany didn't attack the US; we attacked them.


What about when they bombed pearl harbor?
 
2012-12-11 02:01:23 PM  

BitwiseShift: REALLY? How else to hide his boner for Mr Ahmadinejad?


thats what he was actually offended about. everyone knows those guys like the ghey
 
2012-12-11 02:01:43 PM  
damn, you beat me to this. There are so many similarities it makes my head spin. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't even peruse the Link i provided. He's more worried about avoiding questions from BigNumber12 with his 'ugly american' comment, then he is at actually providing ANY kind of evidence to back up his argument.
 
2012-12-11 02:01:45 PM  

whidbey: meanmutton: Oh come on, it's this or more of the racism...

What people say "nation building doesn't work", they generally are talking about Serbia, Iraq, and Afghanistan -- all countries which we conquered and then "nation-built".

Sure we did. Now run along.


Do you have a different definition that only you are privy to than conquor? We destroyed their military, deployed occupying military forces, destroyed their government, built a new government in our liking, and then left the countries. In Serbia, they elected a new government without Milosovic in charge but the others, we eliminated their entire governments and started from scratch.
 
2012-12-11 02:02:42 PM  
www.shortsupport.org

He just wanted to show off the diamonds
 
2012-12-11 02:02:45 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: [img717.imageshack.us image 600x800]

I cant hang out with anyone who sees this as offensive.


blatz514: I'll help...

[blog.corewalking.com image 400x314]


I see I'm not the only one who applies a non-political thought to crossed legs. Upskirts arise!
 
2012-12-11 02:03:26 PM  
On the other hand...

torturing, then murdering someone, and then dragging the lifeless corpse thru town tied to the back of a motorcycle is NOT insulting.

Please keep that in mind.
 
2012-12-11 02:04:11 PM  

Abuse Liability: damn, you beat me to this. There are so many similarities it makes my head spin. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't even peruse the Link i provided. He's more worried about avoiding questions from BigNumber12 with his 'ugly american' comment, then he is at actually providing ANY kind of evidence to back up his argument.


Some reason you can't just quote me directly? And what's your beef with me, anyway?
 
2012-12-11 02:04:28 PM  
So balls = good, but soles of feet = bad. Got it.

Wish I had balls.

So I could tell you to look at them.

Look.
 
2012-12-11 02:04:33 PM  

JackieRabbit: So I guess unzipping and scratching my bass is out. Good to know.


25.media.tumblr.com
24.media.tumblr.com
just keep that fish in your pants sir!
 
2012-12-11 02:04:36 PM  

WhoGAS: Yes. I can find examples.

No, I will not post them here to placate your desire to argue for argument's sake. We all know that no matter what I post, the argument will change and you already know the data you've requested.


That sounds legit.
 
2012-12-11 02:04:50 PM  

probesport: meanmutton: Germany didn't attack the US; we attacked them.

What about when they bombed pearl harbor?



Keep going. You're on a roll.
 
2012-12-11 02:05:16 PM  

namegoeshere: So balls = good, but soles of feet = bad. Got it.

Wish I had balls.

So I could tell you to look at them.

Look.


How YOU doin'?!?!!?
/BIE?
 
2012-12-11 02:05:33 PM  

meanmutton: whidbey: meanmutton: whidbey: BigNumber12: The action goes against the custom of some Muslim countries, which considers shoes unclean because they are 'closer to the ground, closer to the devil and farther away from God'.


Grow the fark up, you children.


Yes, they're not people, they're "children" to you. How enlightened of you. This is why nationbuilding fails, BTW.

Worked just fine in Japan and Germany.

It wasn't "nationbuilildng." It was reconstruction of two conquered countries we went to war with.

"Nationbuilding" refers to farking around in a country that didn't attack us, and attempting to tinker with it until we can contain it.

Not even the same thing, though superficially similar.

Germany didn't attack the US; we attacked them.


not technically true. They were at war US allies, the US was duty bound to declare war.
 
2012-12-11 02:05:45 PM  

probesport: meanmutton: Germany didn't attack the US; we attacked them.

What about when they bombed pearl harbor?


That was in response to the attack on the USS Pueblo, which was in response to our throwing them into a Bay of Pigs, after Archduke Ferdinand called the Kaiser and cumbucket and got shot a little.
 
2012-12-11 02:05:54 PM  

whidbey: I don't see any ideas worth refuting.


Since your reading comprehension seems to be lacking, I'll repeat myself.

1) This guy is their chief diplomat. Why is it unreasonable to expect him to realize that the particular superstition that has upset him is held by a minority of the world's population, and the person he's speaking to is probably unaware of breaching it? Should we be thrilled that their chief diplomat is playing "insult swap" with someone who's completely unaware that they're even playing?

2) Give me an example of our Head of State doing the equivalent of this.


That's it. If you're so obviously justified, responding without namecalling should be simple for you.
 
2012-12-11 02:06:13 PM  
NEXT TIME!

www.portlandmercury.com
 
2012-12-11 02:07:35 PM  

probesport: meanmutton: Germany didn't attack the US; we attacked them.

They were stupid enough to declare war on the USA after Pearl Harbor, opening themselves to that problem.

 
2012-12-11 02:07:42 PM  

master_dman: On the other hand...

torturing, then murdering someone, and then dragging the lifeless corpse thru town tied to the back of a motorcycle is NOT insulting.

Please keep that in mind.


Its a cultural thing, you wouldnt understand. Maybe whidbey can explain it to us.
 
2012-12-11 02:08:01 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: I sense much RW butthurt over the fact that all Iranians Muslims have not yet been exterminated.

I don't think the world is going to let you corporate looters have that oil, so get over it, pull yourselves up by your bootstraps and find your own oil.


/FTFYFTWYRM

/Fixed That For You For That's What You Really Meant
 
2012-12-11 02:08:44 PM  

whidbey: meanmutton: Conquered the country, deposed a vile dictator, replaced it with a democratic form of government, stuck around and provided military support to the new democratic government? The only real difference I see is that our military still occupies Germany and Japan but we left Iraq.

Yeah except for the fact that we didn't actually declare or go to war with Iran or Afghanistan. What's more, we set the stage for both fiascos by installing dictators or standing by while other countries installed puppet regimes.

Your comparison is dishonest, and you still making the mistake of thinking "reconstruction" is the same thing. We suck at nationbuilding because we are wrong to do it.


Its not just those that don't learn history that are doomed to repeat it... Its also those that can't recognize when history is repeating itself. Your arguments are vacuous and I have yet to see a single link to anything resembling your definition of nation building or how dissimilar these nationbuilding situations were. I for one am finished discussing these issues with someone who avoids rational thought the way most people avoid rolling around in poison ivy.
 
2012-12-11 02:08:46 PM  

ITGreen: Hey, Ahmadinejad!

[www.girlwithnoname.com image 350x400]


You forgot the obligatory sheep and camel dung.

Persia, you used to be cool. And not a redheaded stepchild of Arabia's nutty fevers.
 
2012-12-11 02:09:09 PM  

Flakeloaf: jaylectricity: The action goes against the custom of some Muslim countries, which considers shoes unclean because they are 'closer to the ground, closer to the devil and farther away from God'.

You ever stop to think that shoes are the only thing that's keeping your souls from being a quarter inch closer to the devil and the ground?

Who's to say his god isn't the earth, and that he was merely showing respect by taking his smelly monkey feet off of it?


Great point, I like the way you think.
 
2012-12-11 02:09:10 PM  

BigNumber12: whidbey: I don't see any ideas worth refuting.

Since your reading comprehension seems to be lacking, I'll repeat myself.

1) This guy is their chief diplomat. Why is it unreasonable to expect him to realize that the particular superstition that has upset him is held by a minority of the world's population, and the person he's speaking to is probably unaware of breaching it? Should we be thrilled that their chief diplomat is playing "insult swap" with someone who's completely unaware that they're even playing?

2) Give me an example of our Head of State doing the equivalent of this.


That's it. If you're so obviously justified, responding without namecalling should be simple for you.


Sorry, just don't care for your attitude. So you don't care for this particular insult.

Stop being a jackass about it. You sound like some Republican threatening to bomb Iran into being a democratic nation we can control.
 
2012-12-11 02:10:57 PM  
Cultural customs are cultural customs, people. It would be rude if someone came to America and picked their nose or scratched their ass while meeting with Obama.

The Swedish ambassador did insult his hosts in the meeting. Given that he is a professional diplomat, he farked up.
 
2012-12-11 02:12:08 PM  

meanmutton: Serbia, Iraq, and Afghanistan -- all countries which we conquered and then "nation-built".

 
2012-12-11 02:12:43 PM  

whidbey: meanmutton: Okay, I'm thinking -- what could possibly be similar in our culture?

See that's the thing.

There isn't. Amusing to watch all the racism bubbling up to the surface in this thread, though. For awhile, anyway. Then I'll do something else.


Persians are Aryans, buddy. They had the first franchise!

CSB: You can speak some simple phrases in Irish and Farsi that sound extremely alike and have the same meaning and everything. You can't spell Iran with IRA.
 
2012-12-11 02:12:52 PM  

Abuse Liability: Its not just those that don't learn history that are doomed to repeat it... Its also those that can't recognize when history is repeating itself. Your arguments are vacuous and I have yet to see a single link to anything resembling your definition of nation building or how dissimilar these nationbuilding situations were. I for one am finished discussing these issues with someone who avoids rational thought the way most people avoid rolling around in poison ivy.


I don't need to "link" anything. The comparison is ridiculous.

We reconstructed Japan and Germany after a war. We had the help of the Allies to do it. We went to war with them. So did most of the world.

Iraq and Afghanistan were petty police actions where the US called all the shots, and historically played a huge part in terms of clandestine and blatant political manipulation and control. Not even the same thing.
 
2012-12-11 02:13:01 PM  

meanmutton: Slapping Secretary Clinton on the ass?


I would pay good money to see Clinton's face after Ahmadinejad slapped her on the ass.
 
2012-12-11 02:13:29 PM  
*without" IRA, dammit. Spoilt my own racist joke.
 
2012-12-11 02:13:34 PM  

meanmutton: Germany didn't attack the US; we attacked them.


They declared war on us, we didn't declare war on them. Japan attacked us, Japan declares war, we declare war, Germany declares war, we declare war on Germany.
 
2012-12-11 02:13:58 PM  
I should take one last parting shot though. It seems that while there is an adequate time between my posts for thought, reflection and a response. Your replies fly out faster than i can refresh my browser indicating either
1.) you're incredibly quick-witted and informed or 2.) you're firing out replies because your mindset won't be changed and you're already making your next argument before you even see someone's comment.

I know number 2 is pretty common for Fark in general. Should we entertain the possibility of number 1?
 
2012-12-11 02:14:16 PM  

bobbette: Cultural customs are cultural customs, people. It would be rude if someone came to America and picked their nose or scratched their ass while meeting with Obama.

The Swedish ambassador did insult his hosts in the meeting. Given that he is a professional diplomat, he farked up.


And the professional thing to do is admit it like professional. Not the "nuh-uh Iran SUCKS" sentiment I see in this thread.
 
2012-12-11 02:14:30 PM  
Silly diplomat, the next time he should stand, turn around, drop his pants and moon the guy.
 
2012-12-11 02:14:52 PM  

whidbey: We reconstructed Japan and Germany after a war.


This.

We didn't build the nation, we reconstructed it. HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE difference.
 
2012-12-11 02:14:56 PM  

ChipNASA: namegoeshere: So balls = good, but soles of feet = bad. Got it.

Wish I had balls.

So I could tell you to look at them.

Look.

How YOU doin'?!?!!?
/BIE?


Balls in Email? I told you, I don't have any. I suppose I could go find a random set of berries out there on the internets and send them to you. I hear there's a squirrel running around here with a pair that really are quite impressive. Seems like a lot of work for a glimpse of rodent stones, but hey. Whatever floats your boat.
 
2012-12-11 02:15:24 PM  

bobbette: Swedish ambassador did insult his hosts in the meeting. Given that he is a professional diplomat, he farked up.


Would Obama do the same in return? I think more people have a problem with the petty response. While I do believe we should do our best to accommodate others in their homes, mistakes happen and people should be tolerant.
 
2012-12-11 02:15:40 PM  

whidbey: BigNumber12: The action goes against the custom of some Muslim countries, which considers shoes unclean because they are 'closer to the ground, closer to the devil and farther away from God'.


Grow the fark up, you children.


Yes, they're not people, they're "children" to you. How enlightened of you. This is why nationbuilding fails, BTW.



Then maybe they should stop acting like children.
 
2012-12-11 02:16:14 PM  

Abuse Liability: I should take one last parting shot though. It seems that while there is an adequate time between my posts for thought, reflection and a response. Your replies fly out faster than i can refresh my browser indicating either
1.) you're incredibly quick-witted and informed or 2.) you're firing out replies because your mindset won't be changed and you're already making your next argument before you even see someone's comment.

I know number 2 is pretty common for Fark in general. Should we entertain the possibility of number 1?


lrn2quotebutton
 
2012-12-11 02:16:55 PM  

WhoGAS: We all know that no matter what I post, the argument will change and you already know the data you've requested.



Oh look, a logical fallacy.

WhoGAS: Yes. I can find examples.

No, I will not post them here to placate your desire to argue for argument's sake.



So you're not going to cite evidence to refute me - you're just going to double down with "I'm right, because!"

WhoGAS: Regardless, they keep their superstitions and religion to themselves and I'm fine with them. We visit their house and they have weird rituals, then I'm fine with them. However, they come to my house and expect me to placate their weird rituals, then no, I will not worry about that.

But it's up to the visitor of the house to follow the house rules to maintain peace.



A reasonable adult would assume that their guest (from a different culture) has made an inadvertent mistake, and quietly point it out, after the fact, if it's truly that unbearable. Not respond by blasting their guest with insults. And this guy is supposed to be a professional diplomat, hosting a representative of one of the most tolerant nations on earth.  One quick "Hey, just so you know..." would probably have gotten a sincere apology and taught the Swede a useful piece of information.

How can you defend people who treat International Diplomacy with such contempt?
 
2012-12-11 02:18:02 PM  

H31N0US: Who doesn't know that exposing the soles of your feet is considered an insult in most of the Muslim world?


Yeah, I learned that in '97-ish in a tiny southern Indiana elementary school. Thought it was one of those bits of trivia everybody picked up on at some point.
 
2012-12-11 02:18:05 PM  
fark islam
 
2012-12-11 02:18:07 PM  

bobbette: Cultural customs are cultural customs, people. It would be rude if someone came to America and picked their nose or scratched their ass while meeting with Obama.


Yes it would, but you wouldn't expect the prsident to furiously pick their nose back, do you?

bobbette: The Swedish ambassador did insult his hosts in the meeting. Given that he is a professional diplomat, he farked up


Nobody is doubting that, but it is still fair to point out this is a stupid insult that makes sitting in a circle comfotably (as well as many other interactions in any modern city) impossible, and that the presidents response was very childish.
 
2012-12-11 02:18:34 PM  

sprawl15: whidbey: We reconstructed Japan and Germany after a war.

This.

We didn't build the nation, we reconstructed it. HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE difference.


Huh? I'm still trying to Google the Iraqi Surrender papers. Which should be filed right alongside the Afghani Surrender documents.
 
2012-12-11 02:19:11 PM  

whidbey: Sorry, just don't care for your attitude.


Disengagement from the debate. Got it.
 
2012-12-11 02:20:26 PM  

BigNumber12: A reasonable adult would assume that their guest (from a different culture) has made an inadvertent mistake, and quietly point it out, after the fact, if it's truly that unbearable. Not respond by blasting their guest with insults. And this guy is supposed to be a professional diplomat, hosting a representative of one of the most tolerant nations on earth. One quick "Hey, just so you know..." would probably have gotten a sincere apology and taught the Swede a useful piece of information.


Protip: Iran is not the US. They aren't going to just jump to what your expectations of what a government should be.
 
2012-12-11 02:20:31 PM  

sprawl15: whidbey: We reconstructed Japan and Germany after a war.

This.

We didn't build the nation, we reconstructed it. HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE difference.


No, if anybody had read the link, they would be aware we didn't merely reconstuct Japan. We replaced the government and placed a multitude of military (and other) sanctions ensuring our safety and producing a more cohesive, united population in the aftermath of a terrible war. The very definition of nation building. why... do... I... continue... arguing...
 
2012-12-11 02:21:14 PM  

jaylectricity: The action goes against the custom of some Muslim countries, which considers shoes unclean because they are 'closer to the ground, closer to the devil and farther away from God'.

You ever stop to think that shoes are the only thing that's keeping your souls from being a quarter inch closer to the devil and the ground?


I walk barefoot most of the time. I guess that makes me a Satanist
 
2012-12-11 02:21:15 PM  
And this coming from a culture whose people blow their noses onto the ground before going into a mosque to pray to Allah. No wonder Ahmadinejad was offended. The bottom of the diplomat's shoes were probably covered in snot rockets from the locals spewing their nostril semen all over the place.

/read "Three Cups of Tea"
//I know everything there is to know about Islam thanks to one book
 
2012-12-11 02:21:32 PM  

whidbey: Abuse Liability: I should take one last parting shot though. It seems that while there is an adequate time between my posts for thought, reflection and a response. Your replies fly out faster than i can refresh my browser indicating either
1.) you're incredibly quick-witted and informed or 2.) you're firing out replies because your mindset won't be changed and you're already making your next argument before you even see someone's comment.

I know number 2 is pretty common for Fark in general. Should we entertain the possibility of number 1?

lrn2quotebutton


Dodging the issue again. suprising. See how fast I hammered out that response?
 
2012-12-11 02:21:39 PM  

BigNumber12: whidbey: Sorry, just don't care for your attitude.

Disengagement from the debate. Got it.


No, I still think you're a prime example of the Ugly American who wants to shove Americanism down everyone's throats.

You aren't even capable of seeing this incident from any other perspective.
 
2012-12-11 02:22:41 PM  

leftshue: meanmutton: Slapping Secretary Clinton on the ass?

I would pay good money to see Clinton's face after Ahmadinejad slapped her on the ass.

 
2012-12-11 02:22:44 PM  
That's really funny.
Especially when we consider STONING A WOMAN TO DEATH to be offensive.
Why the fark do we (normal humans) always have to respect 'tarded values but they only have to be offended by every little thing.

Where's my nukes dammit?
 
2012-12-11 02:22:48 PM  

Abuse Liability: whidbey: Abuse Liability: I should take one last parting shot though. It seems that while there is an adequate time between my posts for thought, reflection and a response. Your replies fly out faster than i can refresh my browser indicating either
1.) you're incredibly quick-witted and informed or 2.) you're firing out replies because your mindset won't be changed and you're already making your next argument before you even see someone's comment.

I know number 2 is pretty common for Fark in general. Should we entertain the possibility of number 1?

lrn2quotebutton

Dodging the issue again. suprising. See how fast I hammered out that response?


OK. So find me the document showing that Iraq surrendered to the US and we'll talk.

Otherwise, there is a distinct difference in what we're talking about. And stop being so condescending.
 
2012-12-11 02:24:03 PM  

whidbey: BigNumber12: A reasonable adult would assume that their guest (from a different culture) has made an inadvertent mistake, and quietly point it out, after the fact, if it's truly that unbearable. Not respond by blasting their guest with insults. And this guy is supposed to be a professional diplomat, hosting a representative of one of the most tolerant nations on earth. One quick "Hey, just so you know..." would probably have gotten a sincere apology and taught the Swede a useful piece of information.

Protip: Iran is not the US. They aren't going to just jump to what your expectations of what a government should be.



They don't seem to give much of a fark about what the rest of the planet seems to think a government should be. This is why they're having a difficult time with most of the rest of the world wanting as little to do with them as possible. This is Sweden, ffs, bastion of cultural tolerance, and Iran is basically screaming "Fark you!" at them.
 
2012-12-11 02:24:29 PM  
i2.wp.com

Non-story
Tejler crossed his legs, by mistake, oops
Then Ahmadinejad crossed his legs too

This is a way of covering an impolite gesture, by copying it.
It's a way of saying, "No big deal."

I'm not crazy about Iran, but Ahmadinejad did the diplomatically correct thing.

/is Benghazi a scandal yet?
 
2012-12-11 02:24:39 PM  

LeroyBourne: JackieRabbit: So I guess unzipping and scratching my bass is out. Good to know.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x341]
[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x340]
just keep that fish in your pants sir!


Life is so beautiful. For some more than others.

Thank you for the reminder of that awesome show! I needed that today.
Link is for anyone else that needs a good one.
 
2012-12-11 02:25:22 PM  
Keylock71:
i.istockimg.com

Hey keylock71, why you calling me an asshole? Huh? Huh?

/try thumbing a ride in Africa sometime
//everybody who's anybody knows Muzzies hate seeing your shoe bottoms. Just another one of their obsessive-compulsive behaviors
 
2012-12-11 02:25:30 PM  

BigNumber12: They don't seem to give much of a fark about what the rest of the planet seems to think a government should be. This is why they're having a difficult time with most of the rest of the world wanting as little to do with them as possible. This is Sweden, ffs, bastion of cultural tolerance, and Iran is basically screaming "Fark you!" at them.


So what? Bomb them?

What do you care, anyway? You're right. It's Sweden.
 
Ant
2012-12-11 02:25:39 PM  

H31N0US: Who doesn't know that exposing the soles of your feet is considered an insult in most of the Muslim world?


I knew it, but it's still a stupid thing to be insulted about.
 
2012-12-11 02:25:50 PM  

ChipNASA: leftshue: meanmutton: Slapping Secretary Clinton on the ass?

I would pay good money to see Clinton's face after Ahmadinejad slapped her on the ass.



flash2flash.flashgamesplayer.com
Pimp Slap A Biatch Game
 
/clicky to get the link
 
2012-12-11 02:26:12 PM  

give me doughnuts: If something as simple as sitting with your legs crossed is an insult in your culture, then your culture is stupid.


Well, no. I could just as well say that if showing someone your middle finger is an insult, then your culture is stupid. Or making an "O" shape with your forefinger and thumb (not a problem in the U.S., where it actually means "OK," but a big insult in some other places). The list is long. Every culture has behavior that is meaningful to members and seems completely arbitrary to outsiders. And the soles of the feet thing isn't that unusual. I first ran across it as an issue in Thai culture.
 
2012-12-11 02:26:37 PM  

whidbey: No, I still think you're a prime example of the Ugly American who wants to shove Americanism down everyone's throats.


And you're a prime example of the Ugly American who respects practices like FGM, feet, binding, bride-burning, and driving-rhinos-to-extinction-for-aphrodisiacs because they're "traditions" and "who are we to question that?"
 
2012-12-11 02:26:51 PM  

sweet-daddy-2: The Stealth Hippopotamus: [img717.imageshack.us image 600x800]

I cant hang out with anyone who sees this as offensive.

blatz514: I'll help...

[blog.corewalking.com image 400x314]

I see I'm not the only one who applies a non-political thought to crossed legs. Upskirts arise!


It gets too depressing listening to other farkers complaining about religion. I'll try finding some Despierta America ladies.
 
2012-12-11 02:26:55 PM  
I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries. You don't frighten us, Persian pig dogs. Go and boil your bottoms, you sons of a silly person. I blow my nose at you, so-called "Ahmadinejad," you and all your silly Iranian customs.

Now, THAT's how you insult someone!
 
2012-12-11 02:27:14 PM  

whidbey: Abuse Liability: whidbey: Abuse Liability: I should take one last parting shot though. It seems that while there is an adequate time between my posts for thought, reflection and a response. Your replies fly out faster than i can refresh my browser indicating either
1.) you're incredibly quick-witted and informed or 2.) you're firing out replies because your mindset won't be changed and you're already making your next argument before you even see someone's comment.

I know number 2 is pretty common for Fark in general. Should we entertain the possibility of number 1?

lrn2quotebutton

Dodging the issue again. suprising. See how fast I hammered out that response?

OK. So find me the document showing that Iraq surrendered to the US and we'll talk.

Otherwise, there is a distinct difference in what we're talking about. And stop being so condescending.


You mean because of a single document? A thousand parallels and because there is no "surrender" there is no "comparison." Once again, I will repeat that attacking/conquering/surrendering have very little to do with the act of nation-building. (below pulled from wikipedia)

Nation-building refers to the process of constructing or structuring a national identity using the power of the state. This process aims at the unification of the people within the state so that it remains politically stable and viable in the long run. Nation-building can involve the use of propaganda or major infrastructure development to foster social harmony and economic growth.
Definition: The development of behaviors, values, language, institutions, and physical structures that elucidate history and culture, concretize and protect the present, and insure the future identity and independence of the nation.
-wiki
 
2012-12-11 02:27:16 PM  

tinyarena: /is Benghazi a scandal yet?


Yeah, it's going to cause a chain reaction impeachment/Sarah Palin coronation, I hear.
 
Ant
2012-12-11 02:28:05 PM  

meanmutton: Okay, I'm thinking -- what could possibly be similar in our culture? Accidentally using the N-word to refer to President Obama? Using the middle finger to point to the ceiling or something? Talking with food in his mouth? Slapping Secretary Clinton on the ass?


Possibly the middle finger.
 
2012-12-11 02:28:09 PM  

Abuse Liability: sprawl15: whidbey: We reconstructed Japan and Germany after a war.

This.

We didn't build the nation, we reconstructed it. HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE difference.

No, if anybody had read the link, they would be aware we didn't merely reconstuct Japan. We replaced the government and placed a multitude of military (and other) sanctions ensuring our safety and producing a more cohesive, united population in the aftermath of a terrible war. The very definition of nation building. why... do... I... continue... arguing...


thatsthejoke.jpg
 
2012-12-11 02:28:49 PM  

way south: It offends my country that you only posted one picture.
Hurry up and correct this before it becomes an international incident!



Don't have a lot of pictures of girls crossing their legs.

sorry.

But I got quality!
 
2012-12-11 02:29:31 PM  

whidbey: So what? Bomb them?


Where'd I say that?

whidbey: What do you care, anyway?


It's vindicating to see that their senior leadership is still behaving in a fashion that confirms our concerns about their government's mentality.
 
2012-12-11 02:29:37 PM  
I'm all for celebrating diversity and all that, but this is just crap. These fooking muslims need to get over themselves.
 
2012-12-11 02:30:14 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: way south: It offends my country that you only posted one picture.
Hurry up and correct this before it becomes an international incident!


Don't have a lot of pictures of girls crossing their legs.

sorry.

But I got quality!


sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net 

Cristina Blackwell
 
2012-12-11 02:31:06 PM  

Mega Steve: I walk barefoot most of the time. I guess that makes me a Satanist someone who lives in a warm climate.


/I miss going barefoot all the time.
 
2012-12-11 02:31:39 PM  
One more...

babetelevisionnetwork.iwebs.ws
 
2012-12-11 02:31:41 PM  

Abuse Liability: Otherwise, there is a distinct difference in what we're talking about. And stop being so condescending.

You mean because of a single document? A thousand parallels and because there is no "surrender" there is no "comparison." Once again, I will repeat that attacking/conquering/surrendering have very little to do with the act of nation-building. (below pulled from wikipedia)


OK, so you're probably using a mobile device and not deliberating being obnoxious. My bad.

Look, I'm really not convinced by your pedantic insistence here.

It's pretty obvious that we HAD to do what we did in Germany and Japan. Once again, we were at war with them. They surrendered. The Allied Forces reconstructed the country post-wartime.

In Iraq, we were part of a political move to set up Saddam as dictator, and benefitted from his being in power. Bush and the neocons decided to go in there and remove him because he wasn't behaving.

In short:

Japan=Allied powers
Iraq=PNAC

Not even the same thing. We're done here.
 
2012-12-11 02:31:42 PM  

BigNumber12: whidbey: No, I still think you're a prime example of the Ugly American who wants to shove Americanism down everyone's throats.

And you're a prime example of the Ugly American who respects practices like FGM, feet, binding, bride-burning, and driving-rhinos-to-extinction-for-aphrodisiacs because they're "traditions" and "who are we to question that?"


Its called cultural relativism and this guy is drowning in it. No need to champion the cause of common sense when other cultures are allowed to hide behind superstition and tradition. All we are asking for is that their premier diplomat be more tolerant and less like a petty child.
 
2012-12-11 02:33:15 PM  

meanmutton: Okay, I'm thinking -- what could possibly be similar in our culture? Accidentally using the N-word to refer to President Obama? Using the middle finger to point to the ceiling or something? Talking with food in his mouth? Slapping Secretary Clinton on the ass?



Probably the middle finger thing.

I have heard of this insult before. There are places where waving at someone is an insult, and so on. You need to check these things when travelling to foreign countries, if you don't want to accidentally piss off random people and look like a dick. Also, to know when people are signalling their local equivalent of the finger.
 
2012-12-11 02:33:17 PM  

leftshue: meanmutton: Slapping Secretary Clinton on the ass?

I would pay good money to see Clinton's face after Ahmadinejad slapped her on the ass.


Conversely, I wouldn't give a dime to see Clinton's ass after Ahmmadinejad slapped her in the face.
 
2012-12-11 02:33:18 PM  

cryinoutloud: Mega Steve: I walk barefoot most of the time. I guess that makes me a Satanist someone who lives in a warm climate.

/I miss going barefoot all the time.


img.poptower.com
/you sound like a hipster
 
2012-12-11 02:34:27 PM  

BigNumber12: whidbey: No, I still think you're a prime example of the Ugly American who wants to shove Americanism down everyone's throats.

And you're a prime example of the Ugly American who respects practices like FGM, feet, binding, bride-burning, and driving-rhinos-to-extinction-for-aphrodisiacs because they're "traditions" and "who are we to question that?"


Yeah well, I still suspect you're in the Bomb Iran camp. You're just way too insistent on what other countries should be like.

The truth is that we are going to have to leave Iran to solve its own problems by allowing it to promote its own democracy by our example.

And you sound like a sabre-rattler.
 
2012-12-11 02:35:07 PM  

bobbette: Cultural customs are cultural customs, people. It would be rude if someone came to America and picked their nose or scratched their ass while meeting with Obama.


Or threw up on their host's shoes.
 
2012-12-11 02:35:50 PM  

Abuse Liability: All we are asking for is that their premier diplomat be more tolerant and less like a petty child.


Pretty sure the right-wing in this country wants a whole lot more than that.
 
2012-12-11 02:36:08 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: meanmutton: Okay, I'm thinking -- what could possibly be similar in our culture? Accidentally using the N-word to refer to President Obama? Using the middle finger to point to the ceiling or something? Talking with food in his mouth? Slapping Secretary Clinton on the ass?

The middle finger pointing at the ceiling is just right.


Should have added visitors to the UK often get this one wrong too - never give the V sign when you just want to say "2" ...

topfavourite.com
 
2012-12-11 02:36:18 PM  

whidbey: Abuse Liability: Otherwise, there is a distinct difference in what we're talking about. And stop being so condescending.

You mean because of a single document? A thousand parallels and because there is no "surrender" there is no "comparison." Once again, I will repeat that attacking/conquering/surrendering have very little to do with the act of nation-building. (below pulled from wikipedia)

OK, so you're probably using a mobile device and not deliberating being obnoxious. My bad.

Look, I'm really not convinced by your pedantic insistence here.

It's pretty obvious that we HAD to do what we did in Germany and Japan. Once again, we were at war with them. They surrendered. The Allied Forces reconstructed the country post-wartime.

In Iraq, we were part of a political move to set up Saddam as dictator, and benefitted from his being in power. Bush and the neocons decided to go in there and remove him because he wasn't behaving.

In short:

Japan=Allied powers
Iraq=PNAC

Not even the same thing. We're done here.


Done beating this dead horse. Continue with your inane babble. I'm sure someone will bite
 
2012-12-11 02:38:04 PM  
Which seems sort of odd, since middle eastern men are known to be coo-coo for foot fetish puffs. Must be because that's all you can see that's not covered up with a burqa.
 
2012-12-11 02:38:50 PM  

Abuse Liability: Not even the same thing. We're done here.

Done beating this dead horse. Continue with your inane babble. I'm sure someone will bite


LOL so when I actually point out to you the difference for the third time, I'm trolling.

M'kay.
 
2012-12-11 02:40:25 PM  

signaljammer: H31N0US: Who doesn't know that exposing the soles of your feet is considered an insult in most of the Muslim world? 

No merde!

//my pet hate--White boys from Naperville
//who suck directly on the chillum. 

//I think it is more of an Arabic thing than a Muslim thing. I don't think this is a problem in Philippines.



Actually the documentary I saw it on showed some SE Asian country, don't know which one.
 
2012-12-11 02:40:50 PM  

tinyarena: [i2.wp.com image 408x258]

Non-story
Tejler crossed his legs, by mistake, oops
Then Ahmadinejad crossed his legs too

This is a way of covering an impolite gesture, by copying it.
It's a way of saying, "No big deal."

I'm not crazy about Iran, but Ahmadinejad did the diplomatically correct thing.

/is Benghazi a scandal yet?


Ahmadinejad is pointing the sole of his foot away from Tejler, so you're probably right. If he'd meant it as a mutual insult, he'd have crossed the other leg and shown the sole of his foot to Tejler.

///when you're busy trying to gin up political support by breathing fire about Israel and the U.S., there's no point wasting energy on farking around with Sweden
 
2012-12-11 02:40:58 PM  

StashMonster: I have heard of this insult before. There are places where waving at someone is an insult, and so on. You need to check these things when travelling to foreign countries, if you don't want to accidentally piss off random people and look like a dick. Also, to know when people are signalling their local equivalent of the finger.


No come on. Why can't other countries be like OURS, man?
Sheeittt....
 
2012-12-11 02:43:32 PM  
Did he also give two thumbs up to the Greek ambassador?
 
2012-12-11 02:44:25 PM  

tinyarena: [i2.wp.com image 408x258]

Non-story
Tejler crossed his legs, by mistake, oops
Then Ahmadinejad crossed his legs too

This is a way of covering an impolite gesture, by copying it.
It's a way of saying, "No big deal."

I'm not crazy about Iran, but Ahmadinejad did the diplomatically correct thing.

/is Benghazi a scandal yet?


Or is it more like

i2.wp.com

Sole exposed at me? Oh no u didn't! Sole right back at'cha, buddy! 

(guy in the middle "I'm gonna just keep my mouth shut and push my feet down as flat as I possibly can")
 
2012-12-11 02:44:49 PM  
Hmmm, I seem to have wandered into the kindergarten room when everyone's missed their nap. (***quietly exits and closes door softly***)
 
2012-12-11 02:45:25 PM  

ChipNASA: cryinoutloud: /I miss going barefoot all the time.
[img.poptower.com image 600x400]
/you sound like a hipster


I could walk across an asphalt parking lot barefooted before that farking word was even invented .
 
2012-12-11 02:47:49 PM  
big farkin deal. lots of asian cultures have that practice. you wouldnt sit with your soles of your feet pointing at martial arts instructor either.


Diplomat should have known better, given his position, yet it is likely an innocent mistake.


I have a feeling we're being trolled by this article.

all we have is this article to say that buddywhatshisname was even angry to begin with.
 
2012-12-11 02:49:00 PM  

Abuse Liability: Its called cultural relativism and this guy is drowning in it. No need to champion the cause of common sense when other cultures are allowed to hide behind superstition and tradition. All we are asking for is that their premier diplomat be more tolerant and less like a petty child.



Believe me, I know exactly what he subscribes to. I went to one of the most liberal Universities in the country - I reeeeally know the type.

Abuse Liability: All we are asking for is that their premier diplomat be more tolerant and less like a petty child.



...aaaaaand "the type" is so afraid of someone out there in the world calling them a bigot that they go to great lengths and practice spectacular mental gymnastics to avoid being seen as even remotely critical of someone else's culture.
 
2012-12-11 02:49:18 PM  
OK Got It.

dittotranslation.com
 
2012-12-11 02:50:28 PM  

whidbey: You're just way too insistent on what other countries should be like.


Patient with people from other cultures who aren't 100% familiar with every local superstition?

Truly, I'm history's greatest monster.
 
2012-12-11 02:50:46 PM  

BigNumber12: ...aaaaaand "the type" is so afraid of someone out there in the world calling them a bigot that they go to great lengths and practice spectacular mental gymnastics to avoid being seen as even remotely critical of someone else's culture.


You two should go have coffee together and discuss the upcoming nationbuilding.
 
2012-12-11 02:51:58 PM  

SixPaperJoint: LeroyBourne: JackieRabbit: So I guess unzipping and scratching my bass is out. Good to know.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x341]
[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x340]
just keep that fish in your pants sir!

Life is so beautiful. For some more than others.

Thank you for the reminder of that awesome show! I needed that today.
Link is for anyone else that needs a good one.


The Jim Jarmusch one is also comedy gold.
/both fisherman are covered in sores and boners
Link
 
2012-12-11 02:52:22 PM  

Abuse Liability: Its called cultural relativism and this guy is drowning in it.


The whole point of cultural relativism was to examine past societies throughout history. Unfortunately, the politically correct crowd of morons decided we should also use it when examinining other cultures that currently exist in today's world. "You can't denounce another society's differences because you don't understand it." Like hell. Stoning women because they were raped is evil. Period. No wiggle room here.

My sister tried using cultural relativism on me once. I responded with, "then why are you active in stopping female circumcision in other countries? Why don't you respect their culture?" Shut her the hell up.
 
2012-12-11 02:52:24 PM  

whidbey: You aren't even capable of seeing this incident from any other perspective


What perspective are you seeing it from where you can pretend there is no problem wiht the head of state taking a cultural gaffe and responding by doubling down with what he knows is an insult?

The way I see it is you either think their culture is superior and he is right in thinking that people who make mistakes must be right, you are excusing a culture where reoplying to a mistake with an insult is ok, or you are just flailing for any excuse you can fine to pretend that anything a non-western leader does is ok.
 
2012-12-11 02:52:42 PM  

whidbey: Yeah well, I still suspect you're in the Bomb Iran camp.


whidbey: And you sound like a sabre-rattler.



I'll wait patiently for you to present a scrap of evidence from my posts advocating for bombing Iran. But please, don't be offended if I go about other business while I'm waiting. I understand that "being offended" is important to you.
 
2012-12-11 02:52:56 PM  

whidbey: BigNumber12: whidbey: Sorry, just don't care for your attitude.

Disengagement from the debate. Got it.

No, I still think you're a prime example of the Ugly American who wants to shove Americanism down everyone's throats.

You aren't even capable of seeing this incident from any other perspective.


Still, a valid point has been raised: Shouldn't Ahmadinejad, as a well seasoned world traveler, understand that in non-Muslim countries, revealing the bottom of your shoe means absolutely nothing, and NOT responded with an in-kind "insult"? Shouldn't he know that the returned insult also means absolutely nothing?

It seems to me that there are a couple of possible reasons:
1. He wasn't really insulted, but did what he did for "the folks back home" who WOULD take it as an insult (after all he would not be the first leader to think the common people are not that sophisticated)
2. He has what amounts to a "persecution complex" and is incapable of NOT taking it as an insult (which is what most people here are deriding him about, I think)

Understanding of cultures works BOTH ways - sorry, but you can't argue with that. He should have simply said "Mr. Ambassador, you may not know it, but showing the bottom of your shoe to someone from my country is considered an insult, could you please place you feet on the ground"
 
2012-12-11 02:53:24 PM  

BigNumber12: The action goes against the custom of some Muslim countries, which considers shoes unclean because they are 'closer to the ground, closer to the devil and farther away from God'.


Grow the fark up, you children.



Apparently, these all just, all knowing, all seeing powerful but incredibly petty deities really love it when their followers get outraged about the same things as they supposedly hate, too. Especially if you riot about it.
Guaranteed brownie points for the afterlife!

I'm a g'wiiiine up to Hebben!
 
2012-12-11 02:54:24 PM  

whidbey: StashMonster: I have heard of this insult before. There are places where waving at someone is an insult, and so on. You need to check these things when travelling to foreign countries, if you don't want to accidentally piss off random people and look like a dick. Also, to know when people are signalling their local equivalent of the finger.

No come on. Why can't other countries be like OURS, man?
Sheeittt....


Well looking at how this thread descended into a trollfest I have a pretty dismal view of people's understanding of that.

DNRTFA but if all that really happened is Ahmadinejad crossed his legs (pointing his foot away) then the article seems like a non-story that maybe was just designed to stir up or feed on anti-Iranian sentiment? Would be interesting to compare and contrast Iranian news coverage of it (if any). The few times I did that about an Iranian news story the results were very worrying - this wouldn't be the first time something he did or said was misrepresented. I don't generally bother following political news, but once in a while things like that are drawn to my attention and it gives me the creeps.
 
2012-12-11 02:55:18 PM  

whidbey: BigNumber12: whidbey: I don't see any ideas worth refuting.

Since your reading comprehension seems to be lacking, I'll repeat myself.

1) This guy is their chief diplomat. Why is it unreasonable to expect him to realize that the particular superstition that has upset him is held by a minority of the world's population, and the person he's speaking to is probably unaware of breaching it? Should we be thrilled that their chief diplomat is playing "insult swap" with someone who's completely unaware that they're even playing?

2) Give me an example of our Head of State doing the equivalent of this.


That's it. If you're so obviously justified, responding without namecalling should be simple for you.

Sorry, just don't care for your attitude. So you don't care for this particular insult.

Stop being a jackass about it. You sound like some Republican threatening to bomb Iran into being a democratic nation we can control.


You are a bigot
 
2012-12-11 02:56:43 PM  
The action goes against the custom of some Muslim countries, which considers shoes unclean because they are 'closer to the ground, closer to the devil and farther away from God'.

here comes there goes the science
 
2012-12-11 02:57:40 PM  

whidbey: BigNumber12: ...aaaaaand "the type" is so afraid of someone out there in the world calling them a bigot that they go to great lengths and practice spectacular mental gymnastics to avoid being seen as even remotely critical of someone else's culture.

You two should go have coffee together and discuss the upcoming nationbuilding.



i62.photobucket.com

I really don't know why I bother. Refute something I said. Anything. Until then, later.
 
2012-12-11 02:58:12 PM  

BigNumber12: A furious Mr Ahmadinejad returned the gesture and also crossed his legs 'in response to the impoliteness of his interlocutor', as the Iranian news agency Asiran put it.


Dear Sweden,

This is the sort of "tolerance" that you're falling all over yourself to tolerate. Enjoy.

Love,

Realistic People


Erm, no. The ambassador accidentally flipped him off, which is actually an insult because it's like saying 'yeah, I didn't read my briefing on you guys and thus don't know something that children in your country know, even though that's my job'. So the guy flipped him off back. Which I find totally appropriate.

If this were an average citizen, I'd get the laughter, but this guy's job is to know this shiat. That makes this offensive. Imagine if your IT guy didn't know what a keyboard was, or your plumber didn't have a wrench.
 
2012-12-11 02:59:10 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: whidbey: BigNumber12: whidbey: Sorry, just don't care for your attitude.

Disengagement from the debate. Got it.

No, I still think you're a prime example of the Ugly American who wants to shove Americanism down everyone's throats.

You aren't even capable of seeing this incident from any other perspective.

Still, a valid point has been raised: Shouldn't Ahmadinejad, as a well seasoned world traveler, understand that in non-Muslim countries, revealing the bottom of your shoe means absolutely nothing, and NOT responded with an in-kind "insult"? Shouldn't he know that the returned insult also means absolutely nothing?

It seems to me that there are a couple of possible reasons:
1. He wasn't really insulted, but did what he did for "the folks back home" who WOULD take it as an insult (after all he would not be the first leader to think the common people are not that sophisticated)
2. He has what amounts to a "persecution complex" and is incapable of NOT taking it as an insult (which is what most people here are deriding him about, I think)

Understanding of cultures works BOTH ways - sorry, but you can't argue with that. He should have simply said "Mr. Ambassador, you may not know it, but showing the bottom of your shoe to someone from my country is considered an insult, could you please place you feet on the ground"


As I understand it, it is only an insult if you point your sole at them.
 
2012-12-11 02:59:16 PM  

meanmutton: Okay, I'm thinking -- what could possibly be similar in our culture? Accidentally using the N-word to refer to President Obama? Using the middle finger to point to the ceiling or something? Talking with food in his mouth? Slapping Secretary Clinton on the ass?


Giving a unrequested backrub to Angela Merkel.
 
2012-12-11 03:03:19 PM  
hmm,

i suspect they are buttering us up for an imminent invasion of Iran. Isnt that one of the first rules of war? de-humanise the enemy so we are more willing to kill 'em?
 
2012-12-11 03:05:13 PM  

mark12A: Hey keylock71, why you calling me an asshole? Huh? Huh?


img2.timeinc.net
 
2012-12-11 03:06:14 PM  

StashMonster: As I understand it, it is only an insult if you point your sole at them.


Unfortunately, that's exactly what he's doing .
 
2012-12-11 03:08:59 PM  
In other news, ridiculous barbarian customs are ridiculous, barbaric.
 
2012-12-11 03:10:18 PM  

PsiChick: Erm, no. The ambassador accidentally flipped him off, which is actually an insult because it's like saying 'yeah, I didn't read my briefing on you guys and thus don't know something that children in your country know, even though that's my job'. So the guy flipped him off back. Which I find totally appropriate.


Do people "accidently" extend their arm towards someone raise their middle finger and hold it?

Casually crossing your legs is a normal and comfortable thing in western countries (and not uncommon in Egypt).

You may think it is appropriate to take offense to an action you know is natural to the person you are talking to, but most grown ups expect a little more out of their leaders.
 
2012-12-11 03:10:39 PM  

PsiChick: Erm, no. The ambassador accidentally flipped him off, which is actually an insult because it's like saying 'yeah, I didn't read my briefing on you guys and thus don't know something that children in your country know, even though that's my job'



Or, "I'm focusing on the matter at hand right now, you know, the actual reason I'm here, and not zoning out on that so that I can constantly mentally review the hundreds of possible slights that I might accidentally be committing right now."

The guy spent the vast majority of his life living in a completely different culture. He was actually focusing, hard, on the issues he was there for. You know, actually listening to what Ahmadinejad was saying. And yet it appears that Ahmadinejad was just patiently waiting for the chance to (knowingly) give the finger to a diplomat from one of the most tolerant nations on earth. A mature diplomat would quietly correct the behavior. This is 100% political posturing - furthering that "victim" mentality. And, as this thread shows, plenty of Westerners fall for it, hook, line, and sinker.

A mentality like that speaks very poorly of a government that's asking the world community to take it seriously enough to endorse its possession of nuclear technology.
 
2012-12-11 03:12:08 PM  

my herniated disc: hmm,

i suspect they are buttering us up for an imminent invasion of Iran. Isnt that one of the first rules of war? de-humanise the enemy so we are more willing to kill 'em?


Good point. Sweden may be called neutral country but they still have well organized army

2011.tech4africa.com 
I wouldn't want to meet him in a dark alley
 
2012-12-11 03:12:19 PM  

CheekyMonkey: Giving a unrequested backrub to Angela Merkel.


And she responded by kneeing him in the groin, right?

Oh, that's not how professional national representatives respond to each other on the world diplomatic stage?
 
2012-12-11 03:14:22 PM  

cryinoutloud: ChipNASA: cryinoutloud: /I miss going barefoot all the time.
[img.poptower.com image 600x400]
/you sound like a hipster

I could walk across an asphalt parking lot barefooted before that farking word was even invented .



This. Spent my childhood summer mostly barefoot. By August, I could run on gravel and not feel pain.
 
2012-12-11 03:17:11 PM  

StashMonster: Kumana Wanalaia: meanmutton: Okay, I'm thinking -- what could possibly be similar in our culture? Accidentally using the N-word to refer to President Obama? Using the middle finger to point to the ceiling or something? Talking with food in his mouth? Slapping Secretary Clinton on the ass?

The middle finger pointing at the ceiling is just right.

Should have added visitors to the UK often get this one wrong too - never give the V sign when you just want to say "2" ...

[topfavourite.com image 444x500]


www.grandprix-originals.com
 
2012-12-11 03:17:43 PM  

LewDux: my herniated disc: hmm,

i suspect they are buttering us up for an imminent invasion of Iran. Isnt that one of the first rules of war? de-humanise the enemy so we are more willing to kill 'em?

Good point. Sweden may be called neutral country but they still have well organized army



Carl XVI Gustaf needs some new oil wealth to expand his yellow Porsche collection.
 
2012-12-11 03:17:52 PM  

LewDux: my herniated disc: hmm,

i suspect they are buttering us up for an imminent invasion of Iran. Isnt that one of the first rules of war? de-humanise the enemy so we are more willing to kill 'em?

Good point. Sweden may be called neutral country but they still have well organized army

[2011.tech4africa.com image 300x205] 
I wouldn't want to meet him in a dark alley


the article is British I believe. Look how fast people jumped onto the stereotype from a poorly written, unsubstantiated source.

its part of their cunning plan

/only somewhat serious
 
2012-12-11 03:17:56 PM  

whidbey: BigNumber12: The action goes against the custom of some Muslim countries, which considers shoes unclean because they are 'closer to the ground, closer to the devil and farther away from God'.


Grow the fark up, you children.


Yes, they're not people, they're "children" to you. How enlightened of you. This is why nationbuilding fails, BTW.


It fails because they are children?

I agree.
 
2012-12-11 03:19:18 PM  
While I think the outrage is dumb, you'd think an ambassador would study up on all the retarded customs of a country before visiting.
 
2012-12-11 03:22:23 PM  

I should be in the kitchen: While I think the outrage is dumb, you'd think an ambassador would study up on all the retarded customs of a country before visiting.


maybe the ambassador was trying to tell him something on purpose.
 
2012-12-11 03:22:40 PM  

sprawl15: whidbey: We reconstructed Japan and Germany after a war.

This.

We didn't build the nation, we reconstructed it. HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE difference.


I'm sure you fancy yourself quite a witty chap, but to the rest of the world, the fact that you can't even be bothered to learn the terminology of world history & politics makes you sound like a dunce. You are akin to a Creationist who doesn't even understand what a scientific theory or the Scientific Sethod is, but insists that Intelligent Design is science.
 
2012-12-11 03:24:27 PM  

HAMMERTOE: no more meaning than running your fingers through your hair,


Whoa, Whoa, whoa there mister. You have to draw the line somewhere or civilization decays.
 
2012-12-11 03:25:37 PM  

Maud Dib: StashMonster: Kumana Wanalaia: meanmutton: Okay, I'm thinking -- what could possibly be similar in our culture? Accidentally using the N-word to refer to President Obama? Using the middle finger to point to the ceiling or something? Talking with food in his mouth? Slapping Secretary Clinton on the ass?

The middle finger pointing at the ceiling is just right.

Should have added visitors to the UK often get this one wrong too - never give the V sign when you just want to say "2" ...

[topfavourite.com image 444x500]

[www.grandprix-originals.com image 300x452]


I once had a school teacher who'd spent a couple of years teaching in the UK, and she had an unfortunate habit of counting on her fingers just that way. Apparently it caused quite a ruckus.

//not sure if ruckus is a thing in the UK, but one was caused anyway
 
2012-12-11 03:30:12 PM  

here to help: Superstitious dickheads. Go f*ck a goat.


When did they stop?
 
2012-12-11 03:30:28 PM  
The article is British, and they were the ones who got all bend out of shape when the US Ambassador was presented "at court" wearing long pants instead of the traditional silk breeches (=knickers in the US).
 
2012-12-11 03:31:40 PM  

H31N0US: Who doesn't know that exposing the soles of your feet is considered an insult in most of the Muslim world?


That, and the article got it wrong. I was told in my deployment briefing it meant you thought the person was lower than the shiat you walk on.
 
2012-12-11 03:33:58 PM  

Raoul Eaton: give me doughnuts: If something as simple as sitting with your legs crossed is an insult in your culture, then your culture is stupid.

Well, no. I could just as well say that if showing someone your middle finger is an insult, then your culture is stupid. Or making an "O" shape with your forefinger and thumb (not a problem in the U.S., where it actually means "OK," but a big insult in some other places). The list is long. Every culture has behavior that is meaningful to members and seems completely arbitrary to outsiders. And the soles of the feet thing isn't that unusual. I first ran across it as an issue in Thai culture.


THIS.

Culture isn't stupid, it's COMPLETELY arbitrary. In some cultures, burping after a meal is a sign of respect for the chef, in others, it's considered vulgar. Is either interpretation empirically correct? No.
 
2012-12-11 03:36:33 PM  

whidbey: BigNumber12: They don't seem to give much of a fark about what the rest of the planet seems to think a government should be. This is why they're having a difficult time with most of the rest of the world wanting as little to do with them as possible. This is Sweden, ffs, bastion of cultural tolerance, and Iran is basically screaming "Fark you!" at them.

So what? Bomb them?


No. Obviously we need to institute Sharia law and declare Islam to be our officially recognized religion. Strawman arguments are fun!
 
2012-12-11 03:39:37 PM  
This thread is borderline epic.
 
2012-12-11 03:39:41 PM  
Crossing your legs and showing the soles of your feet are intolerable insults?

Yeah, sorry people, but some things are actual insults and some things are infantile overreactions, and these fall squarely in the latter category. Imagine if blinking too many times in one minute was a grievous insult, or not screaming the lyrics of a Justin Bieber song when you enter and exit someone's home was a grievous insult. You'd think those were ridiculous, too.

Also it's a good idea to NOT assume that everyone else in the world knows everything about your culture and then react petulantly when they commit a faux pas that they didn't know existed. Smart people do this amazing little thing called EXPLAINING.
 
2012-12-11 03:48:14 PM  

BigNumber12: CheekyMonkey: Giving a unrequested backrub to Angela Merkel.

And she responded by kneeing him in the groin, right?

Oh, that's not how professional national representatives respond to each other on the world diplomatic stage?


Take a look at the photo in TFA again. Amadinnerjacket is not pointing his sole toward the Ambassador from Sweden. It isn't quite "tit for tat" thing, and the person that wrote the article is an idiot for assuming that it is.
 
2012-12-11 03:51:01 PM  

tinyarena: [i2.wp.com image 408x258]

Non-story
Tejler crossed his legs, by mistake, oops
Then Ahmadinejad crossed his legs too

This is a way of covering an impolite gesture, by copying it.
It's a way of saying, "No big deal."

I'm not crazy about Iran, but Ahmadinejad did the diplomatically correct thing.



No. Ahmahdinnerjacket crossed his legs because he would be viewed as weak by Iran's answer to the Jerry Springer audience if he didn't.
 
2012-12-11 03:51:23 PM  

CheekyMonkey: sprawl15: whidbey: We reconstructed Japan and Germany after a war.

This.

We didn't build the nation, we reconstructed it. HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE difference.

I'm sure you fancy yourself quite a witty chap, but to the rest of the world, the fact that you can't even be bothered to learn the terminology of world history & politics makes you sound like a dunce. You are akin to a Creationist who doesn't even understand what a scientific theory or the Scientific Sethod is, but insists that Intelligent Design is science.


ID is far more scientific than that idolatrous worship of Darwin's corpse. It tries to find out how and why God did a bunch of interesting and beautiful things while neo-Darwinists just say CHANCE DID IT LOL.
 
2012-12-11 03:56:39 PM  

sprawl15: CheekyMonkey: sprawl15: whidbey: We reconstructed Japan and Germany after a war.

This.

We didn't build the nation, we reconstructed it. HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE difference.

I'm sure you fancy yourself quite a witty chap, but to the rest of the world, the fact that you can't even be bothered to learn the terminology of world history & politics makes you sound like a dunce. You are akin to a Creationist who doesn't even understand what a scientific theory or the Scientific Sethod is, but insists that Intelligent Design is science.

ID is far more scientific than that idolatrous worship of Darwin's corpse. It tries to find out how and why God did a bunch of interesting and beautiful things while neo-Darwinists just say CHANCE DID IT LOL.


As opposed to the big bang theory where you have to just accept on faith something came from nothing and not question how, like the scientific method dictates
 
2012-12-11 03:57:43 PM  

blatz514: I'll help...

[blog.corewalking.com image 400x314]


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-11 04:00:26 PM  

CheekyMonkey: BigNumber12: CheekyMonkey: Giving a unrequested backrub to Angela Merkel.

And she responded by kneeing him in the groin, right?

Oh, that's not how professional national representatives respond to each other on the world diplomatic stage?

Take a look at the photo in TFA again. Amadinnerjacket is not pointing his sole toward the Ambassador from Sweden. It isn't quite "tit for tat" thing, and the person that wrote the article is an idiot for assuming that it is.



All I had to go on was a photo and the reporter's analysis.

I certainly hope that TFA is BS, and Ahmadinejad is more reasonable than this.
 
2012-12-11 04:00:43 PM  
If the pictures in the article tell the whole story, it appears that Ambassador Tejler innocently exposed his immaculate, thousand-dollar shoe sole only to the Iranian President. Then President Ahmadinejad impertinently raised his foot to expose his sole TO THE CAMERAS AND HIS ENTIRE COUNTRY!!! Tejler couldn't even have seen it from his angle. Where is the President's apology to his people?
 
2012-12-11 04:01:52 PM  

Joe Blowme: sprawl15: CheekyMonkey: sprawl15: whidbey: We reconstructed Japan and Germany after a war.

This.

We didn't build the nation, we reconstructed it. HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE difference.

I'm sure you fancy yourself quite a witty chap, but to the rest of the world, the fact that you can't even be bothered to learn the terminology of world history & politics makes you sound like a dunce. You are akin to a Creationist who doesn't even understand what a scientific theory or the Scientific Sethod is, but insists that Intelligent Design is science.

ID is far more scientific than that idolatrous worship of Darwin's corpse. It tries to find out how and why God did a bunch of interesting and beautiful things while neo-Darwinists just say CHANCE DID IT LOL.

As opposed to the big bang theory where you have to just accept on faith something came from nothing and not question how, like the scientific method dictates


The entire point of science is FINDING OUT HOW, dipshiat. I have never, EVER, heard a scientist say "DON'T QUESTION HOW, JUST BELIEVE AND FOLLOW ME!".
 
2012-12-11 04:02:48 PM  

tinyarena: Non-story
Tejler crossed his legs, by mistake, oops
Then Ahmadinejad crossed his legs too

This is a way of covering an impolite gesture, by copying it.
It's a way of saying, "No big deal."

I'm not crazy about Iran, but Ahmadinejad did the diplomatically correct thing.



Similarly - that's very interesting if that's what happened here, and I'd award him points.
 
2012-12-11 04:08:16 PM  
"does this look like dog crap?"
 
2012-12-11 04:11:32 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Joe Blowme: sprawl15: CheekyMonkey: sprawl15: whidbey: We reconstructed Japan and Germany after a war.

This.

We didn't build the nation, we reconstructed it. HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE difference.

I'm sure you fancy yourself quite a witty chap, but to the rest of the world, the fact that you can't even be bothered to learn the terminology of world history & politics makes you sound like a dunce. You are akin to a Creationist who doesn't even understand what a scientific theory or the Scientific Sethod is, but insists that Intelligent Design is science.

ID is far more scientific than that idolatrous worship of Darwin's corpse. It tries to find out how and why God did a bunch of interesting and beautiful things while neo-Darwinists just say CHANCE DID IT LOL.

As opposed to the big bang theory where you have to just accept on faith something came from nothing and not question how, like the scientific method dictates

The entire point of science is FINDING OUT HOW, dipshiat. I have never, EVER, heard a scientist say "DON'T QUESTION HOW, JUST BELIEVE AND FOLLOW ME!".


No scientist yet has been able to answer why there are still monkeys if we evolved from them. We're superior in every way. So either the neo-Darwinists are saying that they think less of their fellow human beings than they think of a random monkey or they're just not looking at their own assumptions.

And don't even get me started on the hilarious disconnect of the neo-Darwinists and their economic theories. Demand side economics states that if people stop eating bananas, they'll stop growing. Obviously a ridiculous conclusion.

Stupid dims.
 
2012-12-11 04:15:38 PM  

Joe Blowme: I wish someone would send a transformer ambasador to talk to these islamic savages, that would be great theater


Some brilliant Farker put this together for a photoshop contest this past August. It was so awesome I had to save it.
i1197.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-11 04:17:22 PM  
This would never have happened if Hillary went to see that Iranian nutbar.
I don't know, but I been told - a big legged woman ain't got no SOLE.
 
2012-12-11 04:21:54 PM  
i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-11 04:26:46 PM  

Macular Degenerate: I'm all for celebrating diversity and all that, but this is just crap. These fooking muslims need to get over themselves.


No they don't need to get over themselves. They have their culture and if we want discourse with them, we have to respect it, just as we expect them to respect ours. So if we find their cultural mores unacceptable, it is we who need to get over them. NTTAWWT.
 
2012-12-11 04:27:04 PM  

sprawl15: Keizer_Ghidorah: Joe Blowme: sprawl15: CheekyMonkey: sprawl15: whidbey: We reconstructed Japan and Germany after a war.

This.

We didn't build the nation, we reconstructed it. HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE difference.

I'm sure you fancy yourself quite a witty chap, but to the rest of the world, the fact that you can't even be bothered to learn the terminology of world history & politics makes you sound like a dunce. You are akin to a Creationist who doesn't even understand what a scientific theory or the Scientific Sethod is, but insists that Intelligent Design is science.

ID is far more scientific than that idolatrous worship of Darwin's corpse. It tries to find out how and why God did a bunch of interesting and beautiful things while neo-Darwinists just say CHANCE DID IT LOL.

As opposed to the big bang theory where you have to just accept on faith something came from nothing and not question how, like the scientific method dictates

The entire point of science is FINDING OUT HOW, dipshiat. I have never, EVER, heard a scientist say "DON'T QUESTION HOW, JUST BELIEVE AND FOLLOW ME!".

No scientist yet has been able to answer why there are still monkeys if we evolved from them. We're superior in every way. So either the neo-Darwinists are saying that they think less of their fellow human beings than they think of a random monkey or they're just not looking at their own assumptions.

And don't even get me started on the hilarious disconnect of the neo-Darwinists and their economic theories. Demand side economics states that if people stop eating bananas, they'll stop growing. Obviously a ridiculous conclusion.

Stupid dims.


I'm really hoping that you're either trolling or making fun of Creationists.
 
2012-12-11 04:29:14 PM  

BigNumber12: CheekyMonkey: BigNumber12: CheekyMonkey: Giving a unrequested backrub to Angela Merkel.

And she responded by kneeing him in the groin, right?

Oh, that's not how professional national representatives respond to each other on the world diplomatic stage?

Take a look at the photo in TFA again. Amadinnerjacket is not pointing his sole toward the Ambassador from Sweden. It isn't quite "tit for tat" thing, and the person that wrote the article is an idiot for assuming that it is.


All I had to go on was a photo and the reporter's analysis.

I certainly hope that TFA is BS, and Ahmadinejad is more reasonable than this.


Well, the Metro is a tabloid rag, and Ahmadinnerjacket's expression in the second photo doesn't look any more "furious" than it does in the first photo, so I think this might be a case of a crappy reporter getting wind of some Iranians complaining on the internet, and extrapolating poorly.

I did do some googling, but all I could find was references to blogs, and some news stories, all of which said "apparently gave offense".
 
2012-12-11 04:41:26 PM  

mrshowrules: This thread is borderline epic retarded.


FTFY
 
2012-12-11 04:44:09 PM  

sprawl15: CheekyMonkey: sprawl15: whidbey: We reconstructed Japan and Germany after a war.

This.

We didn't build the nation, we reconstructed it. HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE difference.

I'm sure you fancy yourself quite a witty chap, but to the rest of the world, the fact that you can't even be bothered to learn the terminology of world history & politics makes you sound like a dunce. You are akin to a Creationist who doesn't even understand what a scientific theory or the Scientific Sethod is, but insists that Intelligent Design is science.

ID is far more scientific than that idolatrous worship of Darwin's corpse. It tries to find out how and why God did a bunch of interesting and beautiful things while neo-Darwinists just say CHANCE DID IT LOL.


You know how I know you don't understand the scientific method?
 
2012-12-11 04:49:50 PM  

cryinoutloud: Mega Steve: I walk barefoot most of the time. I guess that makes me a Satanist someone who lives in a warm climate.

/I miss going barefoot all the time.


Take your shoes off.

Now.
 
2012-12-11 04:50:50 PM  

CheekyMonkey: In some cultures, burping after a meal is a sign of respect for the chef, in others, it's considered vulgar. Is either interpretation empirically correct? No.


Where does cropdusting fit in with this? Is there a culture where that is considered a stellar endorsement? Or is that too subtle and stealthy? Any cultures where a three alarm paint peeler is considered to say "My compliments to the chef!"?
 
2012-12-11 04:53:03 PM  

PsiChick: BigNumber12: A furious Mr Ahmadinejad returned the gesture and also crossed his legs 'in response to the impoliteness of his interlocutor', as the Iranian news agency Asiran put it.


Dear Sweden,

This is the sort of "tolerance" that you're falling all over yourself to tolerate. Enjoy.

Love,

Realistic People

Erm, no. The ambassador accidentally flipped him off, which is actually an insult because it's like saying 'yeah, I didn't read my briefing on you guys and thus don't know something that children in your country know, even though that's my job'. So the guy flipped him off back. Which I find totally appropriate.

If this were an average citizen, I'd get the laughter, but this guy's job is to know this shiat. That makes this offensive. Imagine if your IT guy didn't know what a keyboard was, or your plumber didn't have a wrench.


Maybe one of his balls was being pinched and he had to cross his legs to relieve the pain.
Disclaimer: I don't have balls, but I could see that happening.
 
2012-12-11 05:03:16 PM  
May I assume that Swedish diplomats also get their jobs through campaign donations instead of cultural competence and diplomacy?
 
2012-12-11 05:04:46 PM  
This is why, in order to not offend anyone anywhere, I always sit with my legs splayed as wide as possible.

As Wide As Possible
 
2012-12-11 05:04:55 PM  

Two16: sprawl15: CheekyMonkey: sprawl15: whidbey: We reconstructed Japan and Germany after a war.

This.

We didn't build the nation, we reconstructed it. HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE difference.

I'm sure you fancy yourself quite a witty chap, but to the rest of the world, the fact that you can't even be bothered to learn the terminology of world history & politics makes you sound like a dunce. You are akin to a Creationist who doesn't even understand what a scientific theory or the Scientific Sethod is, but insists that Intelligent Design is science.

ID is far more scientific than that idolatrous worship of Darwin's corpse. It tries to find out how and why God did a bunch of interesting and beautiful things while neo-Darwinists just say CHANCE DID IT LOL.

You know how I know you don't understand the scientific method?


I understand it just fine. Notice that you just result to silly personal attacks instead of addressing the points. It's just like a neo-Darwinist to poison the well before any attempt at rational discussion with them.
 
2012-12-11 05:10:09 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
Did he wiggle his big toe?
 
2012-12-11 05:10:15 PM  
Not playing devil's advocate here, but giving you a bit of perspective on this...

I work for a global corporation. Prior to traveling internationally we are expected to meet with "Cross Cultural Analysts" who give us a list of dos and don'ts, and make sure we're up to speed. Also, if you recall, this was a big deal with Rumsfeld met with Saddham back in the 70's.

Diplomat should have known better, but Iranians should have politely told him not to do that.
 
2012-12-11 05:11:01 PM  
I'm annoyed as the next person when it comes to nitpicking about trivial things, but this is a huge cultural faux-pas, one of the worst possible things you can do in a Muslim country. And the fact that it was a diplomat who did it is really inexcusable.

/grew up in the Middle East
//dad was a diplomat
///they had to recall one diplomat when they discovered that his last name meant "fart" in the local vernacular
 
2012-12-11 05:12:55 PM  

dabbletech: cryinoutloud: Mega Steve: I walk barefoot most of the time. I guess that makes me a Satanist someone who lives in a warm climate.
/I miss going barefoot all the time.
Take your shoes off.
Now.


No thank you. It's 50 degrees in here. I'm sitting under a blanket. I need to go out in the warm room.

/where it's 55.
 
2012-12-11 05:21:53 PM  

whidbey: BigNumber12: WhoGAS: We're no better.

This is their chief political leader and highest-ranking diplomat. It's quite indicative of their government's current mindset that he expects the rest of the world to accommodate their every last cultural superstition.

If we're "no better," can you find an example of our Head of State doing the equivalent of this, rather than nonspecific generalizations about soccer moms and pop stars?

Keep playing that ugly American. I'm sure it's going to score as "better" than those [insert racial slur geared towards Iranians.]


Aren't Iranians Aryans, like the plurality of Americans?
 
2012-12-11 05:22:52 PM  

FTDA: H31N0US: Who doesn't know that exposing the soles of your feet is considered an insult in most of the Muslim world?

That, and the article got it wrong. I was told in my deployment briefing it meant you thought the person was lower than the shiat you walk on.


Same here.

/Would see many an Iraqi male cross his legs and point the sole of his sandal at us when we came down the street.
//Had to speak to a couple of my boys, they would flash gang signs back if they thought I wasn't looking.
///"He was dissin' us Jefe!"
 
2012-12-11 05:23:48 PM  

whidbey: BigNumber12: whidbey: I don't see any ideas worth refuting.

Since your reading comprehension seems to be lacking, I'll repeat myself.

1) This guy is their chief diplomat. Why is it unreasonable to expect him to realize that the particular superstition that has upset him is held by a minority of the world's population, and the person he's speaking to is probably unaware of breaching it? Should we be thrilled that their chief diplomat is playing "insult swap" with someone who's completely unaware that they're even playing?

2) Give me an example of our Head of State doing the equivalent of this.


That's it. If you're so obviously justified, responding without namecalling should be simple for you.

Sorry, just don't care for your attitude. So you don't care for this particular insult.

Stop being a jackass about it. You sound like some Republican threatening to bomb Iran into being a democratic nation we can control.


Whidbey's debate tactics

img.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-11 05:26:35 PM  
"The action goes against the custom of some Muslim countries, which considers shoes unclean because they are 'closer to the ground, closer to the devil and farther away from God'."

So, the devil is down? These people realize the earth is a sphere and down for you is up for somebody else, right?

I mean, this is really basic stuff here, and they can't even make taboo traditions based on even a hint of reality.
 
2012-12-11 05:27:32 PM  

whidbey: BigNumber12: The action goes against the custom of some Muslim countries, which considers shoes unclean because they are 'closer to the ground, closer to the devil and farther away from God'.


Grow the fark up, you children.


Yes, they're not people, they're "children" to you. How enlightened of you. This is why nationbuilding fails, BTW.


Oh, so children are not people now?! What a bastard!
 
gja
2012-12-11 05:29:53 PM  

meanmutton: Okay, I'm thinking -- what could possibly be similar in our culture? Accidentally using the N-word to refer to President Obama? Using the middle finger to point to the ceiling or something? Talking with food in his mouth? Slapping Secretary Clinton on the ass?


Bleah, then you may as well cut off that hand since it is irreversibly filthed.
 
2012-12-11 05:34:56 PM  
Being a troll on FARK.iran must not be challenging at all.
 
2012-12-11 05:46:40 PM  
A furious Mr Ahmadinejad returned the gesture...

Yeah, he LOOKS totally pissed...

/Whatever
 
2012-12-11 05:47:43 PM  

heavymetal: Being a troll on FARK.iran must not be challenging at all.


Your mother showed me her ankle.
 
2012-12-11 05:52:39 PM  

ScreamingHangover: heavymetal: Being a troll on FARK.iran must not be challenging at all.

Your mother showed me her ankle.


Infidedl!
 
2012-12-11 06:16:01 PM  
The sole of the foot's supposed to be aimed at the guy you're insulting. I think Ahmadinnerjacket hates photographers more than flippant Swedes.
 
2012-12-11 06:25:01 PM  
The action goes against the custom of some Muslim countries, which considers shoes unclean because they are 'closer to the ground, closer to the devil and farther away from God'.

I never understood this, seeing as those same countries drop to the ground 6 times a day, putting their face right on the ground, to pray.

ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-11 06:28:30 PM  

ReapTheChaos: I never understood this, seeing as those same countries drop to the ground 6 times a day, putting their face right on the ground, to pray.


Not to mention, look at all of those soles right in each others faces.
 
2012-12-11 06:35:19 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: [img717.imageshack.us image 600x800]

I cant hang out with anyone who sees this as offensive.


Wouldn't you prefer her legs be open?
 
2012-12-11 06:53:57 PM  
Funniest part is how offended some people are at someone being offended by something that isn't offensive according the to previously offended.
 
2012-12-11 06:57:13 PM  

H31N0US: Who doesn't know that exposing the soles of your feet is considered an insult in most of the Muslim world?


I see souls of feet when they are praying all the time. Are their prayers intended to be insulting?
 
2012-12-11 06:57:38 PM  

tinyarena: [i2.wp.com image 408x258]

Non-story
Tejler crossed his legs, by mistake, oops
Then Ahmadinejad crossed his legs too

This is a way of covering an impolite gesture, by copying it.
It's a way of saying, "No big deal."

I'm not crazy about Iran, but Ahmadinejad did the diplomatically correct thing.

/is Benghazi a scandal yet?


I would like people to consider this,
as well as what slant the propagandist news outlets in Iran may have twisted it from what it actually probably was

also, just by chance I did happen to hear about the shoe-sole-showing taboo before this incident, I don't think it's too obscure even if you only have a little curiosity about Persian culture
 
2012-12-11 07:05:48 PM  
Lots of interesting alleged cultural taboos. Don't give a man from China a clock for a gift either.
 
2012-12-11 07:06:35 PM  

Gough: The article is British, and they were the ones who got all bend out of shape when the US Ambassador was presented "at court" wearing long pants instead of the traditional silk breeches (=knickers in the US).


no body calls anything knickers here,
do you mean shorts or something?
 
2012-12-11 07:07:50 PM  
Crossing your legs is a sign of familiarity and is informal. It's casual, not dignified. Improper and unseemly. It's that way in your own culture too but you too ignant to know that.
 
2012-12-11 07:11:53 PM  
Same as crossing your arms. Rude body language.

/enjoying all the knee-jerking
 
2012-12-11 07:15:58 PM  

armoredbulldozer: Lots of interesting alleged cultural taboos. Don't give a man from China a clock for a gift either.


Or a green hat.
 
2012-12-11 07:18:07 PM  
Those crazy foreigners and their crazy customs! Bottoms of feet are only insulting to immature idiots. Single, raised fingers however...
 
2012-12-11 07:35:26 PM  
The fact that Ahmadinejad pointed his foot away when he crossed his leg suggests that he was aware that the Swedish dude didn't know any better and was demonstrating that he didn't take offense. But go ahead and continue with the anti-Iranian, anti-Muslim sentiment.

In any case, the Swedish diplomat really should have known better, showing the bottoms of your feet is insulting in so many places in the world that it's usually better to be safe than sorry and someone who's a professional diplomat should know that. It's just as offensive and insulting in a number of non-Muslim countries, including Thailand, and it's bad form to not be careful about it. That's basic etiquette.
 
2012-12-11 07:36:53 PM  

Abuse Liability: Also, your definition of nation building seems to be one I'm unfamiliar with as there doesn't appear to be a prerequisite for being attacked and/or attacking.


Until you're ready to pull the trigger on killing enough of a single generation of a nation, you can't engage in "nation building". You have to go to the extent we did in WWII, up to and including destroying whole cities repeatedly.

Only then can you break a culture enough to do this "nation building" thing.

I once heard it said you had to kill at least ten to fifteen percent of the men between 18 and 30. I would agree.
 
2012-12-11 07:40:24 PM  

More_Like_A_Stain: ReapTheChaos: I never understood this, seeing as those same countries drop to the ground 6 times a day, putting their face right on the ground, to pray.

Not to mention, look at all of those soles right in each others faces.


Um yeah, wait... how the fark does this custom work?
 
2012-12-11 07:44:30 PM  

CheekyMonkey: Culture isn't stupid, it's COMPLETELY arbitrary. In some cultures, burping after a meal is a sign of respect for the chef, in others, it's considered vulgar. Is either interpretation empirically correct? No


So you would never say it is "correct" to treat women as equals?

You wold never say it is incorrect to treat women as chattel and never allow them to show their face in public.

YOu would say the differences between countries that do and do not do that are "arbitrary"?

ReapTheChaos: The action goes against the custom of some Muslim countries, which considers shoes unclean because they are 'closer to the ground, closer to the devil and farther away from God'.

I never understood this, seeing as those same countries drop to the ground 6 times a day, putting their face right on the ground, to pray.

[ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com image 600x400]


I love how they are all pointing their feet at the guy behind them.

Or if Iran treats this anything like they did when I was in Egypt it was something rube would get butthurt about yet ignore it from their own.
 
2012-12-11 07:52:42 PM  

rynthetyn: The fact that Ahmadinejad pointed his foot away when he crossed his leg suggests that he was aware that the Swedish dude didn't know any better and was demonstrating that he didn't take offense. But go ahead and continue with the anti-Iranian, anti-Muslim sentiment.

In any case, the Swedish diplomat really should have known better, showing the bottoms of your feet is insulting in so many places in the world that it's usually better to be safe than sorry and someone who's a professional diplomat should know that. It's just as offensive and insulting in a number of non-Muslim countries, including Thailand, and it's bad form to not be careful about it. That's basic etiquette.


Of course, it's only insulting if you let it insult you. Maybe humanity could grow up, develop thicker skin, and stop finding things to be offended at.
 
2012-12-11 07:54:26 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Of course, it's only insulting if you let it insult you. Maybe humanity could grow up, develop thicker skin, and stop finding things to be offended at.


Is this where we get to gore your sacred cow?
 
2012-12-11 07:56:53 PM  

BigNumber12: armoredbulldozer: Lots of interesting alleged cultural taboos. Don't give a man from China a clock for a gift either.

Or a green hat.


Link

The following items are to be avoided as they are associated with funerals: Straw sandals, clocks, handkerchiefs, four of any item [the Cantonese word for "four" sounds similar, in the same language, to "death"], gifts or wrapping paper in white, black, or blue.
 
2012-12-11 07:58:35 PM  

Cyclometh: Abuse Liability: Also, your definition of nation building seems to be one I'm unfamiliar with as there doesn't appear to be a prerequisite for being attacked and/or attacking.

Until you're ready to pull the trigger on killing enough of a single generation of a nation, you can't engage in "nation building". You have to go to the extent we did in WWII, up to and including destroying whole cities repeatedly.

Only then can you break a culture enough to do this "nation building" thing.

I once heard it said you had to kill at least ten to fifteen percent of the men between 18 and 30. I would agree.


And even then, that's no guarantee that you'll be able to pull off nation building. I don't think that the US could have done it successfully in Vietnam without committing full-scale genocide.
 
2012-12-11 07:59:02 PM  

BigNumber12: whidbey: BigNumber12: ...aaaaaand "the type" is so afraid of someone out there in the world calling them a bigot that they go to great lengths and practice spectacular mental gymnastics to avoid being seen as even remotely critical of someone else's culture.

You two should go have coffee together and discuss the upcoming nationbuilding.

I really don't know why I bother. Refute something I said. Anything. Until then, later.


Don't bother is right....whidbey is famous for claiming that opposition to Obama's healthcare policy is racist, but he offers no proof. It's very childish.
 
2012-12-11 08:02:59 PM  

Cyclometh: Keizer_Ghidorah: Of course, it's only insulting if you let it insult you. Maybe humanity could grow up, develop thicker skin, and stop finding things to be offended at.

Is this where we get to gore your sacred cow?


Hell, go ahead and make some steaks, tri-tips, and hamburger out of my sacred cow. I'll get the seasoning salt and ketchup.
 
2012-12-11 08:23:32 PM  
The Swedish Ambassador folks. Come on. Get with the game.

www.geekologie.com
 
2012-12-11 08:25:19 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: rynthetyn: The fact that Ahmadinejad pointed his foot away when he crossed his leg suggests that he was aware that the Swedish dude didn't know any better and was demonstrating that he didn't take offense. But go ahead and continue with the anti-Iranian, anti-Muslim sentiment.

In any case, the Swedish diplomat really should have known better, showing the bottoms of your feet is insulting in so many places in the world that it's usually better to be safe than sorry and someone who's a professional diplomat should know that. It's just as offensive and insulting in a number of non-Muslim countries, including Thailand, and it's bad form to not be careful about it. That's basic etiquette.

Of course, it's only insulting if you let it insult you. Maybe humanity could grow up, develop thicker skin, and stop finding things to be offended at.


Because you never ever get offended by people doing things that are considered rude in America.
 
2012-12-11 08:29:22 PM  

More_Like_A_Stain: ReapTheChaos: I never understood this, seeing as those same countries drop to the ground 6 times a day, putting their face right on the ground, to pray.

Not to mention, look at all of those soles right in each others faces.


More_Like_A_Stain: ReapTheChaos: I never understood this, seeing as those same countries drop to the ground 6 times a day, putting their face right on the ground, to pray.

Not to mention, look at all of those soles right in each others faces.


Not to mention, DAT ASS!
 
2012-12-11 08:30:36 PM  

meanmutton: Germany didn't attack the US; we attacked them.


Maybe some old Merchant Marines around who would argue that with you.

/prolly win too
 
2012-12-11 08:44:56 PM  
Proud of the foots feet:

www.theargonath.cc
 
2012-12-11 08:54:33 PM  

rynthetyn: Keizer_Ghidorah: rynthetyn: The fact that Ahmadinejad pointed his foot away when he crossed his leg suggests that he was aware that the Swedish dude didn't know any better and was demonstrating that he didn't take offense. But go ahead and continue with the anti-Iranian, anti-Muslim sentiment.

In any case, the Swedish diplomat really should have known better, showing the bottoms of your feet is insulting in so many places in the world that it's usually better to be safe than sorry and someone who's a professional diplomat should know that. It's just as offensive and insulting in a number of non-Muslim countries, including Thailand, and it's bad form to not be careful about it. That's basic etiquette.

Of course, it's only insulting if you let it insult you. Maybe humanity could grow up, develop thicker skin, and stop finding things to be offended at.

Because you never ever get offended by people doing things that are considered rude in America.


Only if you let them offend you. Words have no power over you until you allow them to. Actions that don't directly affect you don't need to make you angry or hurt.
 
2012-12-11 09:40:05 PM  

armoredbulldozer: BigNumber12: armoredbulldozer: Lots of interesting alleged cultural taboos. Don't give a man from China a clock for a gift either.

Or a green hat.

Link

The following items are to be avoided as they are associated with funerals: Straw sandals, clocks, handkerchiefs, four of any item [the Cantonese word for "four" sounds similar, in the same language, to "death"], gifts or wrapping paper in white, black, or blue.


Correct, and a green hats are associated with being a cuckold.
 
2012-12-11 09:41:51 PM  

The_Sponge: BigNumber12: whidbey: BigNumber12: ...aaaaaand "the type" is so afraid of someone out there in the world calling them a bigot that they go to great lengths and practice spectacular mental gymnastics to avoid being seen as even remotely critical of someone else's culture.

You two should go have coffee together and discuss the upcoming nationbuilding.

I really don't know why I bother. Refute something I said. Anything. Until then, later.

Don't bother is right....whidbey is famous for claiming that opposition to Obama's healthcare policy is racist, but he offers no proof. It's very childish.



It feels like trolling, but he puts so much effort and anger in that it ultimately comes across as sincere.
 
2012-12-11 09:58:40 PM  
Please don't let this have been an American who did this, please don't let this have been an American who did this

*clicks link*

For once, ah, thank goodness.
 
2012-12-11 10:36:25 PM  

LeroyBourne: JackieRabbit: So I guess unzipping and scratching my bass is out. Good to know.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x341]
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just keep that fish in your pants sir!


NICE REFERENCE.
 
2012-12-11 10:40:13 PM  
Sweden has envoys?
 
2012-12-11 10:40:14 PM  
Yeah let's pretend that their culture is the only one that has old idiosyncrasies and a list perceived social insults that no one could anticipate unless raised within that culture. Let's pretend.

Part of diplomacy is understanding and getting past these unintentional errors.
 
2012-12-11 10:48:23 PM  
Oh .I do love this site.

/if not for the PUR love of instilling i t
 
2012-12-11 11:19:41 PM  

StashMonster: signaljammer: H31N0US: Who doesn't know that exposing the soles of your feet is considered an insult in most of the Muslim world? 

No merde!

//my pet hate--White boys from Naperville
//who suck directly on the chillum. 

//I think it is more of an Arabic thing than a Muslim thing. I don't think this is a problem in Philippines.


Actually the documentary I saw it on showed some SE Asian country, don't know which one.


Thailand and Laos for starters, a big no no. It is not just a Muslim thing.
 
2012-12-11 11:35:41 PM  
The action goes against the custom of some Muslim countries, which considers shoes unclean because they are 'closer to the ground, closer to the devil and farther away from God'.

csb -I knew people in college who slept on the floor because they were closer to the earth when they did that.

They may have been hipsters but at least they weren't Muslim.
 
2012-12-12 12:00:41 AM  
I submitted a funnier headline, about a different story on a different topic. So, I'm also offended by something.
 
2012-12-12 01:51:58 AM  

ChipNASA: NEXT TIME go with this.....

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before going to bed i thought i would browse the thread. started feeling sad that people had to relate this back to something in the US instead of laughing at the pettiness. the i scrolled to the pictures and couldn't stop laughing. thank you sir!
 
2012-12-12 03:51:33 AM  

signaljammer: H31N0US: Who doesn't know that exposing the soles of your feet is considered an insult in most of the Muslim world? 

No merde!

//my pet hate--White boys from Naperville
//who suck directly on the chillum. 

//I think it is more of an Arabic thing than a Muslim thing. I don't think this is a problem in Philippines.


It would be a problem in much of Asia; in India, as well, this would be considered inappropriate. Just like somebody belching at an official dinner in the US or Europe.
 
2012-12-12 04:02:52 AM  
And by the way, crossing the feet wasn't the problem. The problem was crossing it in a way so that his sole was visible. If he had done it the other way round (left foot over right knee), it wouldn't be an issue.
 
2012-12-12 04:47:59 AM  
Don't remember which country one of my coworkers was from, but somewhere in the middle east. He said it was terribly offensive in their culture for someone to visibly yawn. I occasionally did it without thinking and he was shocked if he saw it. He was a pretty nice guy though, just shocked at odd stuff. I knew the thing about soles of the feet, as apparently that is an insult in India, too. However most people don't call others unfamilar with their culture out on it, as foreigners generally don't know.
 
2012-12-12 05:27:24 AM  

Rich Cream: Crossing your legs is a sign of familiarity and is informal. It's casual, not dignified. Improper and unseemly. It's that way in your own culture too but you too ignant to know that.


It really isn't.

Rich Cream: Same as crossing your arms. Rude body language.

/enjoying all the knee-jerking


I think you're confusing "indicative of something" with "rude."

A man crossing his legs while conversing with another may be a sign that he is comfortable with himself and the situation. Folding one's arms may be indicative that they are uncomfortable. Neither alone are rude or offensive in any modern culture. Context matters to people who don't make a living of pissing and moaning about everything.
I do give you props for at least pretending that the Victorian era hadn't ended, though.
 
2012-12-12 06:53:38 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Cyclometh: Keizer_Ghidorah: Of course, it's only insulting if you let it insult you. Maybe humanity could grow up, develop thicker skin, and stop finding things to be offended at.

Is this where we get to gore your sacred cow?

Hell, go ahead and make some steaks, tri-tips, and hamburger out of my sacred cow. I'll get the seasoning salt and ketchup.



Now you have offended me.

BigNumber12: armoredbulldozer: Lots of interesting alleged cultural taboos. Don't give a man from China a clock for a gift either.

Or a green hat.


Does that mean they have been cuckolded? Or was Noble House full of shiat?
 
2012-12-12 07:54:44 AM  

thamike: A man crossing his legs while conversing with another may be a sign that he is comfortable with himself and the situation.


That is a sign of familiarity. Exactly what you say I'm not saying.

In other languages there are familiar ways of addressing someone and proper ways. Not Victorian, just etiquette.

/still exists
 
2012-12-12 08:15:15 AM  
I always go ape shiat when someone tries to 'Fist Bump' with me, or speak 'urban' because I'm black.

How insulting! I keeps it real, son, fark that shiat.
 
2012-12-12 08:28:20 AM  

sprawl15: Two16: sprawl15: CheekyMonkey: sprawl15: whidbey: We reconstructed Japan and Germany after a war.

This.

We didn't build the nation, we reconstructed it. HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE difference.

I'm sure you fancy yourself quite a witty chap, but to the rest of the world, the fact that you can't even be bothered to learn the terminology of world history & politics makes you sound like a dunce. You are akin to a Creationist who doesn't even understand what a scientific theory or the Scientific Sethod is, but insists that Intelligent Design is science.

ID is far more scientific than that idolatrous worship of Darwin's corpse. It tries to find out how and why God did a bunch of interesting and beautiful things while neo-Darwinists just say CHANCE DID IT LOL.

You know how I know you don't understand the scientific method?

I understand it just fine. Notice that you just result to silly personal attacks instead of addressing the points. It's just like a neo-Darwinist to poison the well before any attempt at rational discussion with them.


9/10 for the whole thread. great work.
 
2012-12-12 08:48:54 AM  

SpikeStrip: A furious Mr Ahmadinejad returned the gesture and also crossed his legs 'in response to the impoliteness of his interlocutor

OH SNAP!


In his anger, I hope Ahmadinejad crushed his own balls just enough to give himself a little wave of nausea that he had to endure stoically for the remainder of the exchange.
 
2012-12-12 08:52:08 AM  

whidbey: Seriously, that's got to be the weirdest farking "insult" I've ever heard of.

Of course, I live in a first-world country, and like many of my fellow countrymen, ignorant of other cultures.


A friend just got back from Tunisia. Apparently, public space there and public space here *work* the same, but are viewed differently.

Here. it's public space, it doesn't belong to me. It belongs to us. We share it.

There. It's public space. It belongs to ME just as much as it belongs to anyone else, and if anyone wants to argue with me throwing my trash on the sidewalk I'm going to start a farking riot.

It's the little things that make big differences in the way the wheels turn in various cultures.
 
2012-12-12 09:00:21 AM  

liam76: CheekyMonkey: Culture isn't stupid, it's COMPLETELY arbitrary. In some cultures, burping after a meal is a sign of respect for the chef, in others, it's considered vulgar. Is either interpretation empirically correct? NoSo you would never say it is "correct" to treat women as equals?You wold never say it is incorrect to treat women as chattel and never allow them to show their face in public.YOu would say the differences between countries that do and do not do that are "arbitrary"?


I see your point, and would separate out human rights issues like the ones you've raised from the bulk of culture, which is arbitrary. Things like the issue in TFA are completely arbitrary, and there is no right or wrong (why is is OK to be insulted by a raised middle finger, but being insulted by the sole of someone's foot is somehow "stupid"?).
 
2012-12-12 09:11:17 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Being Ahmandinejad, he'd find a way to be insulted if nothing had happened.


I am curious. Why do you think that exactly?

Myself I am pretty sure he wasn't insulted in the slightest, but rather "doing his thing".
 
2012-12-12 09:20:24 AM  

meanmutton:

Germany didn't attack the US; we attacked them.


That's factually incorrect.

http://www.ncmuseumofhistory.org/collateral/articles/S08.When.World.W a r.II.Was.Fought.Off.North.Carolina's.Beaches.pdf

I know Americans aren't generally aware of it, and it wasn´t really in the news because of the condition of the US navy at the time (ie. being unable to do shiat about it).

But fact is that Germany declared war on USA, and then proceeded to attack USA.
 
2012-12-12 10:07:13 AM  

child_god: I always go ape shiat when someone tries to 'Fist Bump' with me, or speak 'urban' because I'm black.

How insulting! I keeps it real, son, fark that shiat.


What's a Nubian?
 
2012-12-12 10:46:14 AM  

CheekyMonkey: liam76: CheekyMonkey: Culture isn't stupid, it's COMPLETELY arbitrary. In some cultures, burping after a meal is a sign of respect for the chef, in others, it's considered vulgar. Is either interpretation empirically correct? NoSo you would never say it is "correct" to treat women as equals?You wold never say it is incorrect to treat women as chattel and never allow them to show their face in public.YOu would say the differences between countries that do and do not do that are "arbitrary"?

I see your point, and would separate out human rights issues like the ones you've raised from the bulk of culture, which is arbitrary. Things like the issue in TFA are completely arbitrary, and there is no right or wrong (why is is OK to be insulted by a raised middle finger, but being insulted by the sole of someone's foot is somehow "stupid"?).


I think you're confusing Culture with Etiquette. Culture is the collective personality of a society. Etiquette is the manifestation of that personality as a codified score-card of morality.

Culture is a consequence of humans living together and is typically a collaborative effort.

Etiquette is usually the consequence of a powerful or influential person or groups of persons deciding that there is only one "right way" to throw a party. Most western etiquette is just upper class twits' ideas about how to be identifiable as upper class twits, and more importantly about a way to identify lower class twits at a glance.

Oh ho ho, he picked up his fork firs, and behold! his cutting motion lacks the surgical precision and erudite subtlety of an aristocratic slice.
 
2012-12-12 10:50:27 AM  

CheekyMonkey: liam76: CheekyMonkey: Culture isn't stupid, it's COMPLETELY arbitrary. In some cultures, burping after a meal is a sign of respect for the chef, in others, it's considered vulgar. Is either interpretation empirically correct? NoSo you would never say it is "correct" to treat women as equals?You wold never say it is incorrect to treat women as chattel and never allow them to show their face in public.YOu would say the differences between countries that do and do not do that are "arbitrary"?

I see your point, and would separate out human rights issues like the ones you've raised from the bulk of culture, which is arbitrary. Things like the issue in TFA are completely arbitrary, and there is no right or wrong (why is is OK to be insulted by a raised middle finger, but being insulted by the sole of someone's foot is somehow "stupid"?).


You can only define "culture" by its differences to other "culture". I don't think you can say that the "bulk" of the differences people notice aren't human rights issues.

And still this issue isn't "arbitrary". You can't have people sitting comfortably at a round dinner table, at restaurants, at bus stations, etc if you are going to get butthurt when you see someone's foot pointed at you.
 
2012-12-12 10:54:49 AM  

BigNumber12: whidbey: BigNumber12: The action goes against the custom of some Muslim countries, which considers shoes unclean because they are 'closer to the ground, closer to the devil and farther away from God'.


Grow the fark up, you children.


Yes, they're not people, they're "children" to you. How enlightened of you. This is why nationbuilding fails, BTW.


Yes, we should fall all over ourselves to accommodate every last superstition they hold, and accept whatever retaliation they deem just if / when we screw up. Feeding their superstition = enlightened, if one goes by your book. Just like the actual Enlightenment, which cherished and maintained all of those precious Middle Age customs, right?

Pardon me for expecting a nuclear weapon-seeking world leader to behave like a reasonable adult.


When I see a spider in my house, I smash that farker dead.

When I see a spider outside, I am in the spider's house. And I leave it be.

Oh, how did I become such a backwards fool!? I was so careful!

/agreed that Ammadinnerjacket is just being thin skinned because... it's what he does.
//But it's disturbing how this thread immediately turned into "There are people who find something insulting that I find silly! Therefore they are superstitious, goat-herding, backwoods sand-yokels!"
///what side of the plate do you put your spoon on when you set your table?
////How high off the ground is the hem of your tablecloth, and how much space is between each table setting?
 
2012-12-12 10:59:59 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Crossing your legs and showing the soles of your feet are intolerable insults?

Yeah, sorry people, but some things are actual insults and some things are infantile overreactions, and these fall squarely in the latter category. Imagine if blinking too many times in one minute was a grievous insult, or not screaming the lyrics of a Justin Bieber song when you enter and exit someone's home was a grievous insult. You'd think those were ridiculous, too.

Also it's a good idea to NOT assume that everyone else in the world knows everything about your culture and then react petulantly when they commit a faux pas that they didn't know existed. Smart people do this amazing little thing called EXPLAINING.


Crossing your legs at your ankles is rude in Japanese offices. The problem here isn't the rule. It's the reaction to an outsider violating that rule. In most cultures, a level of acceptance is afforded to non-members as a sort of grace period. Arab countries, at this particular moment, and for reasons that should be more or less self evident, are wound up tighter than a frogs asshole. Go figure.
 
2012-12-12 05:34:17 PM  

BeesNuts: //But it's disturbing how this thread immediately turned into "There are people who find something insulting that I find silly! Therefore they are superstitious, goat-herding, backwoods sand-yokels!"



No, the point was that the retaliation (if that's what it actually was - see discussion upthread) was totally out-of-line for a National leader and professional diplomat, when a simple, quiet correction (or downplaying-by-imitating, again, see upthread) would have been the polite, professional way of handling what was obviously not a deliberate insult. The emphasis on the local/superstitious nature of the "insult" was intended to highlight the fact that this is FAR from a universally-known insult, and therefore, one that could easily be made without awareness. 

So, again... if this was retaliation, then come on, grow up and act like a reasonable member of the diverse world community. If he was duplicating the gesture in order to downplay and "excuse" it, then that was nicely done, points to him.
 
2012-12-12 08:21:09 PM  

Rich Cream: thamike: A man crossing his legs while conversing with another may be a sign that he is comfortable with himself and the situation.

That is a sign of familiarity. Exactly what you say I'm not saying.

In other languages there are familiar ways of addressing someone and proper ways. Not Victorian, just etiquette.

/still exists


You said in "your culture too" which I am assuming meant American culture, where it is absolutely not unseemly nor taboo for a man to cross his legs in the presence of another of any stature or in any formal or casual situation. If it ever was standard etiquette, it certainly isn't now. That is not to say "f*ck the Iranians and their customs." I was just taking issue with the smackdown you thought you had going on. A smackdown about etiquette, no less.
 
2012-12-12 08:38:16 PM  

thamike: You said in "your culture too" which I am assuming meant American culture, where it is absolutely not unseemly nor taboo for a man to cross his legs in the presence of another of any stature or in any formal or casual situation. If it ever was standard etiquette, it certainly isn't now. That is not to say "f*ck the Iranians and their customs." I was just taking issue with the smackdown you thought you had going on. A smackdown about etiquette, no less.



Look at it this way. You go for a job interview. When seated across from the interviewer do you lean back and cross your legs? Probably frowned upon. Why? But what if the interviewer does it? His position would allow it more than the interviewee's but it would still be improper.

And if a "diplomat" practicing "diplomacy" can't do something like sit up and act in a dignified manner then he's not good at what he got hired for.
 
2012-12-13 05:30:58 AM  

Rich Cream: Look at it this way. You go for a job interview. When seated across from the interviewer do you lean back and cross your legs? Probably frowned upon. Why? But what if the interviewer does it? His position would allow it more than the interviewee's but it would still be improper.


It really is not frowned upon. If you personally think it's offensive for you to cross your legs at a job interview (not sure where the "lean back" part came from or signifies in regards to this conversation) then by all means, sit erect with a stark chess piece face and speak only when spoken to. The rest of us will proceed to conduct our cross-legged 21st century selves in a manner befitting a business culture that is on first name basis and wears jeans on Friday.

And again, I wasn't referring to a diplomat making cross-cultural gaffes. I was checking your snide declarative statement regarding American leg status quo. As for the gaffe at hand-- It's OK to call the Swede insensitive and the Iranian overly sensitive, you know?
 
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