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2012-12-11 08:19:07 AM
Soto said he had told her that he expected to one day be tested as a father. But not so soon after the birth of their first child.

"He did good," she said. "He protected the family."


Alls well that ends well.

...between them they have been arrested 43 times in Florida.

He who breaks the law...

www.chartlyrics.com
 
2012-12-11 08:38:30 AM
Pepe wandered outside and sniffed nervously at a fierce-looking police dog. 
 
And didn't get shot.  Kudos.
 
2012-12-11 08:43:48 AM
Hopefully Reed and Soto get married so the little girl can grow up in a stable home with a loving mother and father and not in a broken home where she'll eventually find her way into trouble and a violent life of gangs and crime.
 
2012-12-11 08:44:55 AM
Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?


/pro-gun
//within reason
 
2012-12-11 08:47:54 AM

Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?


/pro-gun
//within reason


No, it's where we get to hear arguments about how everyone should have the unrestricted right to own AK-75M16Mark4SOMOD3s With Laser Sights and 25mm Grenade Cannons slung under them. For no reason. Just cause. Maybe Obama will take away their rights, or something.

/pro-gun, as well.
//The idea/argument that a bunch of weekend hunters who have 30-06s are going to stop the US Military in modern times is silly.
 
2012-12-11 08:48:06 AM
Reed, dazed and still in his underwear, toted the rifle around his yard as squad cars arrived. Pepe wandered outside and sniffed nervously at a fierce-looking police dog.

Good Lord, if he was black we'd be reading an entirely different story. Like: then, for reasons unknown, the homeowner ran out into the yard and pointed a high powered assault rifle at officers, who had no choice but to shoot him 141 times in the back.
 
2012-12-11 08:50:37 AM

BronyMedic: Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?


/pro-gun
//within reason

No, it's where we get to hear arguments about how everyone should have the unrestricted right to own AK-75M16Mark4SOMOD3s With Laser Sights and 25mm Grenade Cannons slung under them. For no reason. Just cause. Maybe Obama will take away their rights, or something.

/pro-gun, as well.
//The idea/argument that a bunch of weekend hunters who have 30-06s are going to stop the US Military in modern times is silly.


fark you, the founding fathers died for my right to own a howitzer! How dare you disrespect them like that?!
 
2012-12-11 08:52:34 AM

Coolfusis: fark you, the founding fathers died for my right to own a howitzer! How dare you disrespect them like that?!


DAMN YOU AND YOUR ARGUMENT ABOUT COOL ASS GUNS, SIR.

THE FOUNDING FATHERS ACTUALLY INTENDED FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO OWN A RYDER TRUCK, AND LARGE QUANTITIES OF ANNM WITHOUT QUESTION!

AND THEY DEMANDED THAT EVERYONE HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE BEAR ARMS!

fc04.deviantart.net
 
2012-12-11 08:54:01 AM

Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?

/pro-gun
//within reason


This guy's GF actually had a gun but it didn't prove useful as you say.

"We got guns," one of them said.

"I got a newborn," Reed responded.

By then, one of them had grabbed the keys to Soto's Mazda 6. They barreled out the front door and into the car. Reed ran back to the bedroom and emerged with a .22 rifle belonging to Soto.


That noted, it's shiat like this that keeps me firmly in the right-to-self-defense camp.

/Also pro gun.
//Also within reason.
 
2012-12-11 08:57:57 AM

Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?


/pro-gun
//within reason


If he'd had a couple of M18A1s trip wired to the front door those thugs would have never infiltrated the perimeter. Basic home protection every new father should have but since our Second Amendment rights have been trampled we have to defend our families hand to hand.
 
2012-12-11 09:02:38 AM
Good for the dad. He is very, very lucky that he didn't get killed. Violent criminals being actively prusued by police on the ground and in helicopters are desperate.
 
2012-12-11 09:03:25 AM

TwoHead: f he'd had a couple of M18A1s trip wired to the front door those thugs would have never infiltrated the perimeter. Basic home protection every new father should have but since our Second Amendment rights have been trampled we have to defend our families hand to hand.


Lousy Democrats!

images.tvrage.com
 
2012-12-11 09:11:26 AM
"...an unfamiliar person at the foot of his bed, flashing gold teeth and white eyes that in the darkness seemed to float, as though unattached to a human face."

This is what happens when reporters try prose.
 
2012-12-11 09:27:43 AM

BronyMedic: Coolfusis: fark you, the founding fathers died for my right to own a howitzer! How dare you disrespect them like that?!

DAMN YOU AND YOUR ARGUMENT ABOUT COOL ASS GUNS, SIR.

THE FOUNDING FATHERS ACTUALLY INTENDED FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO OWN A RYDER TRUCK, AND LARGE QUANTITIES OF ANNM WITHOUT QUESTION!

AND THEY DEMANDED THAT EVERYONE HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE BEAR ARMS!

[fc04.deviantart.net image 850x703]


I will not rest until every 2 year old has a bazooka to call his own.

TwoHead: Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?


/pro-gun
//within reason

If he'd had a couple of M18A1s trip wired to the front door those thugs would have never infiltrated the perimeter. Basic home protection every new father should have but since our Second Amendment rights have been trampled we have to defend our families hand to hand.


Which is why I use an infrared targeting system attached to a few motorized assault weapons to police my doorstep - just like Jesus.
 
2012-12-11 09:33:48 AM

Spoon over Marin: "...an unfamiliar person at the foot of his bed, flashing gold teeth and white eyes that in the darkness seemed to float, as though unattached to a human face."

This is what happens when reporters try prose.


This is probably the last article that truly impressed me with the level of writing, but you have to pay for it. It was Time's cover story on catching the Unabomber in 1996.
 
2012-12-11 09:39:18 AM
Never Fark with the the parents of a newborn. Good on 'em for defending their daughter. Hope those guys never get out again. Arrested 43 times? What a farking joke.
 
2012-12-11 09:44:51 AM
I fear babies more than I fear guns....
 
2012-12-11 09:49:21 AM
Soto said he had told her that he expected to one day be tested as a father. But not so soon after the birth of their first child.

"He did good," she said. "He protected the family."


Looks like steak and BJ day is gonna come early for this new dad
 
2012-12-11 09:55:44 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I fear babies more than I fear guns....


Guns make take your life, but babies will take --- YOUR FREEDOM!!
 
2012-12-11 10:04:54 AM
"We got guns." "I got a newborn." "We have a Hulk."
 
2012-12-11 10:14:06 AM

kronicfeld: "We got guns." "I got a newborn." "We have a Hulk."


[like]
 
2012-12-11 10:19:41 AM

Gecko Gingrich: [like]


#lol
 
2012-12-11 10:39:55 AM
"We got guns."

"I got a newborn."

blog.cleveland.com

Don't underestimate the utility of a baby in self-defense situations.
 
2012-12-11 11:54:41 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Hopefully Reed and Soto get married so the little girl can grow up in a stable home with a loving mother and father and not in a broken home where she'll eventually find her way into trouble and a violent life of gangs and crime.


Why do you hate future strippers?
 
2012-12-11 11:55:24 AM

Lsherm: Reed, dazed and still in his underwear, toted the rifle around his yard as squad cars arrived. Pepe wandered outside and sniffed nervously at a fierce-looking police dog.

Good Lord, if he was black we'd be reading an entirely different story. Like: then, for reasons unknown, the homeowner ran out into the yard and pointed a high powered assault rifle at officers, who had no choice but to shoot him 141 times in the back.


probably not

It's "if he were black", by the way. If you'd spend less time race baiting and more time lernin' da English, you'd know that
 
2012-12-11 11:55:36 AM
Wait. You mean that there is someone in St Petersburg (aka God's waiting room) young enough to have a newborn?
 
2012-12-11 11:55:59 AM

Joelogon: "We got guns."

"I got a newborn."

[blog.cleveland.com image 240x162]

Don't underestimate the utility of a baby in self-defense situations.


How is Kung Fu babby trained?
 
2012-12-11 11:56:55 AM

BronyMedic: Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?


/pro-gun
//within reason

No, it's where we get to hear arguments about how everyone should have the unrestricted right to own AK-75M16Mark4SOMOD3s With Laser Sights and 25mm Grenade Cannons slung under them. For no reason. Just cause. Maybe Obama will take away their rights, or something.

/pro-gun, as well.
//The idea/argument that a bunch of weekend hunters who have 30-06s are going to stop the US Military in modern times is silly.


Been to Montana?
 
2012-12-11 11:57:09 AM
He's not unarmed if he's able to grab a gun two sentences later.
 
2012-12-11 11:57:12 AM
Reed leaped out of bed in boxer briefs. He is of medium height, but imposing, with pale blue eyes and tattoos that swarm up his arms and neck. Holding his arms in front of him like an offensive lineman, he plowed into the man closest to him.

For a second there I thought that story was about to go all romance novel.

/[weirdestboner.jpg]
 
2012-12-11 11:57:35 AM
It sounds to me like he needlessly endangered himself by following armed men out and confronting them after the situation had defused.

That might be heroic under some circumstances, but not when your the father of a newborn.
 
2012-12-11 11:58:22 AM
/you're
 
2012-12-11 11:58:31 AM
Arrested 43 times between them?

People this prone to crime should be airdropped on a remote island that's guarded only from the inhabitants leaving, as in Escape from New York.

Barring that, life in prison without the possibility of parole, though it makes me weep to think that we spend around $40,000 a year per inmate in this country.

Beware the military-industrial-prison complex.
 
2012-12-11 11:59:04 AM

Spoon over Marin: "...an unfamiliar person at the foot of his bed, flashing gold teeth and white eyes that in the darkness seemed to float, as though unattached to a human face."

This is what happens when reporters try prose.


I'm unsure if the "That's Racist!" kid should be posted or not...

Good catch.
 
2012-12-11 12:00:19 PM

Spoon over Marin: "...an unfamiliar person at the foot of his bed, flashing gold teeth and white eyes that in the darkness seemed to float, as though unattached to a human face."

This is what happens when reporters try prose.


Was it a dark and stormy night?

/commingled is a word?
 
2012-12-11 12:00:20 PM

Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?


No this is the thread where we argue whether or not summary capital punishment should apply in crimes where nobody was killed.
 
2012-12-11 12:02:01 PM
Well there goes the advice my Chicago grandfather gave me - "Never take a baby to a gunfight"
 
2012-12-11 12:02:14 PM

TexasPeace: Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?

No this is the thread where we argue whether or not summary capital punishment should apply in crimes where nobody was killed.


I'm fer it.
 
2012-12-11 12:02:30 PM

TexasPeace: No this is the thread where we argue whether or not summary capital punishment should apply in crimes where nobody was killed.


It should
 
2012-12-11 12:03:30 PM
What annoys me is the news is written like a poor novel. "Reed and Soto were enjoying precious hours of slumber after an exhausting week filled with the duties of caring for a newborn. The family dog, a Chihuahua mix named Pepe, dozed alongside them."

"he first thing Reed recalls seeing was an unfamiliar person at the foot of his bed, flashing gold teeth and white eyes that in the darkness seemed to float, as though unattached to a human face."

Come on.. just report the news.

Oh wait.. Fark... alright.. I remember where I am now.
 
2012-12-11 12:04:29 PM

Spoon over Marin: "...an unfamiliar person at the foot of his bed, flashing gold teeth and white eyes that in the darkness seemed to float, as though unattached to a human face."

This is what happens when reporters try prose.


Sounds racist!
 
2012-12-11 12:04:45 PM
Say hello to my little....
 
2012-12-11 12:05:15 PM
I thought it was common knowledge NOT to bring a gun to a newborn fight

/or was it something else?
 
2012-12-11 12:05:16 PM

santadog: What annoys me is the news is written like a poor novel. "Reed and Soto were enjoying precious hours of slumber after an exhausting week filled with the duties of caring for a newborn. The family dog, a Chihuahua mix named Pepe, dozed alongside them."

"he first thing Reed recalls seeing was an unfamiliar person at the foot of his bed, flashing gold teeth and white eyes that in the darkness seemed to float, as though unattached to a human face."

Come on.. just report the news.

Oh wait.. Fark... alright.. I remember where I am now.

Frank Sinatra has a Cold

it ain't.
 
2012-12-11 12:06:01 PM

Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?


/pro-gun
//within reason


I've got guns and skateboards. Anyone who skates knows that skateboards double as weapons. (says the woman who sleeps with a loaded gun within her easy reach, but out of view, so she can at least try to defend her family if something bad happened)

/no one messes with my family without dire consequence
//and my sis and I ending up in jail again
 
2012-12-11 12:08:19 PM
By then, one of them had grabbed the keys to Soto's Mazda 6. They barreled out the front door and into the car. Reed ran back to the bedroom and emerged with a .22 rifle belonging to Soto.

He stepped outside and pointed the gun at them, staring at them through the Mazda's windshield. They ducked. By then, Reed could see blue lights flashing. He didn't shoot.

The men drove off. Reed, dazed and still in his underwear, toted the rifle around his yard as squad cars arrived. Officers opened fire, wounding Reed. A department spokesman stated that, "[Reed] was coming right for them, and they were in fear for their lives." An internal review has cleared the officers of wrongdoing.
 
2012-12-11 12:09:15 PM
I saw the photo, subby. The guy clearly has arms.
 
2012-12-11 12:09:20 PM
Good, I was worried this wouldn't be hijacked into a gun-rights thread.

/phew
/also progun
 
2012-12-11 12:09:44 PM
awwww

subby's headline brought tears to my eyes

/not normally sappy, but I remember how I felt when the Squeak was all new
 
2012-12-11 12:10:01 PM
Holy sh*t, that is bad writing.
 
2012-12-11 12:10:03 PM
A bang - they would later learn their front door had been smashed off its lock - woke them. The first thing Reed recalls seeing was an unfamiliar person at the foot of his bed, flashing gold teeth and white eyes that in the darkness seemed to float, as though unattached to a human face.

s3.amazonaws.com
 
2012-12-11 12:10:34 PM

jasimo: TexasPeace: Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?

No this is the thread where we argue whether or not summary capital punishment should apply in crimes where nobody was killed.

I'm fer it.


I'm not. Meet me in front of the Cali state capitol (sp?) right after xmas and we can have a real fight. Dueling with oranges stolen off their trees!

I would like so totally win that one.

/beans you in the head with a stolen bitter orange
 
2012-12-11 12:10:43 PM

Ed_Severson: I saw the photo, subby. The guy clearly has arms.


Technically, the rifle belonged to the woman.

/whatawoman
/Ed Severson III?
 
2012-12-11 12:11:19 PM

Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?


/pro-gun
//within reason


No, this is the thread where I marvel that I've seen two stories in a week of gun owners who did not shoot intruders. First Texas, now Florida. What's the world coming to? Did all the trigger-happy gun nuts get raptured?

\note to knee-jerkers: I'm OK with 'gun owners', which are very different than 'gun nuts'
 
2012-12-11 12:11:23 PM
Obviously he just never finished the sentence.

"I've got a newborn... please just shoot me."
 
2012-12-11 12:12:35 PM
I didn't need to know the f*cking biography of the entire family, so quit RTFA.

"...to really understand this story, we hearken back to the year 1980...it was a turbulent time, yadda yadda."

Whatever happened to journalists, editors and newsmen? All my news (in Chicago of all places - big city, lots of news) covers is 2-week-old "internet sensations" videos and a "chatroom" discussion with a bunch of f*cking hens blathering about.

Literally on 90% of the days, there is some very obvious spelling error (many NOT due to fat fingering the wrong key) in the banner or headlines. Then these female "journalists" who do nothing but giggle the entire newscast.

15 minutes of this mornings' news was about the video of the guy standing on the street corner "opera" singing with that baby near him singing along. That was "breaking news" this morning. 15 f*cking minutes of the newscast devoted to that.

And then there are articles like this one...(at least relevant vs. "celebrity gossip")
 
2012-12-11 12:13:16 PM

Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need had one?


fixed that for everyone who RTA
 
2012-12-11 12:13:20 PM
Plz name the "judge" that last set these criminals loose.
 
2012-12-11 12:13:59 PM
We got guns.

He should've told them "I have a Donk "
 
2012-12-11 12:14:21 PM
flashing gold teeth and white eyes that in the darkness seemed to float, as though unattached to a human face.

If that doesn't become a meme, then this is not the fark I used to know.
 
2012-12-11 12:14:27 PM
Good that they are OK.

But, the dad didn't actually do anything. These guys came in looking to steal a car to escape. They grabbed the keys and took the car, and dad brandished a gun at them while they were leaving.
 
2012-12-11 12:14:52 PM

ITGreen: Ed_Severson: I saw the photo, subby. The guy clearly has arms.

Technically, the rifle belonged to the woman.


Who said anything about a rifle?
 
2012-12-11 12:15:11 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: He's not unarmed if he's able to grab a gun two sentences later.


He was unarmed. Then he punched an armed intruder, who dropped the rifle, thereby arming the resident.
 
2012-12-11 12:15:32 PM

BronyMedic: Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?


/pro-gun
//within reason

No, it's where we get to hear arguments about how everyone should have the unrestricted right to own AK-75M16Mark4SOMOD3s With Laser Sights and 25mm Grenade Cannons slung under them. For no reason. Just cause. Maybe Obama will take away their rights, or something.

/pro-gun, as well.
//The idea/argument that a bunch of weekend hunters who have 30-06s are going to stop the US Military in modern times is silly.


upload.wikimedia.org

Yeah, what can a few people with makeshift weapons do against a modern army?
 
2012-12-11 12:15:56 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: jasimo: TexasPeace: Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?

No this is the thread where we argue whether or not summary capital punishment should apply in crimes where nobody was killed.

I'm fer it.

I'm not. Meet me in front of the Cali state capitol (sp?) right after xmas and we can have a real fight. Dueling with oranges stolen off their trees!

I would like so totally win that one.

/beans you in the head with a stolen bitter orange


Bad news. Stealing oranges is one of the crimes that warrants summary capital punishment.
 
2012-12-11 12:16:40 PM
FTA: The strangers who came into their home were Anthony James Stewart, 29, of St. Petersburg, and Maurice Emmanuel Climes, 27, of Clearwater, police would later say. Stewart and Climes are felons. Each has served time in state prison, state records show, and between them they have been arrested 43 times in Florida.

Climes' charges have included sale of cocaine and marijuana, leaving the scene of a crash that caused an injury, and violently resisting a police officer. Stewart, who has been convicted of burglary and illegal firearm possession, has tattoos across his arm and stomach that read, "Wanted" and "9 mm gun, my life my way."


How do a pair of individuals get arrested 43 times and still be running free and invading people's homes? Are police really making that many frivolous arrests with no convictions?
 
2012-12-11 12:16:46 PM

Smoky Dragon Dish: A bang - they would later learn their front door had been smashed off its lock - woke them. The first thing Reed recalls seeing was an unfamiliar person at the foot of his bed, flashing gold teeth and white eyes that in the darkness seemed to float, as though unattached to a human face.

[s3.amazonaws.com image 200x200]


...and this is why I usually have lunch at my desk, so I can post these things first. The one day, THE ONE DAY I go out, and I miss a moment like this.
 
2012-12-11 12:16:50 PM

BronyMedic: //The idea/argument that a bunch of weekend hunters who have 30-06s are going to stop the US Military in modern times is silly.


Yeah, the US military sure loves a guerrilla insurgency. Those are always a combat cakewalk.
 
2012-12-11 12:17:04 PM
flashing gold teeth and white eyes that in the darkness seemed to float



the MSM trying to finally tell us the perps were black?

 
2012-12-11 12:17:31 PM

paswa17: The My Little Pony Killer: He's not unarmed if he's able to grab a gun two sentences later.

He was unarmed. Then he punched an armed intruder, who dropped the rifle, thereby arming the resident.


It was wifey's gun.
 
2012-12-11 12:17:35 PM

Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?


/pro-gun
//within reason


I have found thru a lucky long life around guns that the best way to not need a gun is to have one.
 
2012-12-11 12:17:38 PM

paswa17: The My Little Pony Killer: He's not unarmed if he's able to grab a gun two sentences later.

He was unarmed. Then he punched an armed intruder, who dropped the rifle, thereby arming the resident.


Retracted. Read that wrong.
 
2012-12-11 12:18:32 PM
"...an unfamiliar person at the foot of his bed, flashing gold teeth and white eyes that in the darkness seemed to float, as though unattached to a human face."

That's the fanciest way of saying the perps were black without saying they were black that I have ever seen.
 
2012-12-11 12:18:40 PM

freewill: Smoky Dragon Dish: A bang - they would later learn their front door had been smashed off its lock - woke them. The first thing Reed recalls seeing was an unfamiliar person at the foot of his bed, flashing gold teeth and white eyes that in the darkness seemed to float, as though unattached to a human face.

[s3.amazonaws.com image 200x200]

...and this is why I usually have lunch at my desk, so I can post these things first. The one day, THE ONE DAY I go out, and I miss a moment like this.


I was just suprised *I* was first.

/Did you like the Christmas hat?
 
2012-12-11 12:18:48 PM

generallyso: FTA: The strangers who came into their home were Anthony James Stewart, 29, of St. Petersburg, and Maurice Emmanuel Climes, 27, of Clearwater, police would later say. Stewart and Climes are felons. Each has served time in state prison, state records show, and between them they have been arrested 43 times in Florida.

Climes' charges have included sale of cocaine and marijuana, leaving the scene of a crash that caused an injury, and violently resisting a police officer. Stewart, who has been convicted of burglary and illegal firearm possession, has tattoos across his arm and stomach that read, "Wanted" and "9 mm gun, my life my way."

How do a pair of individuals get arrested 43 times and still be running free and invading people's homes? Are police really making that many frivolous arrests with no convictions?


Because there are no Adult judges anymore. Just the rentals.
 
2012-12-11 12:18:53 PM
Why all the hate? You say arrested 43 times like it's a bad thing. Are these two sitting around milking the government teat? Hells naw. They be out there gettin' theirs. That kind of sticktoitness should be applauded.
 
2012-12-11 12:19:02 PM
What it might have looked like....

www.thedeparted.net
 
2012-12-11 12:19:05 PM
I can now send the victims a Christmas card! What's the point of listing their full address? Why not give us his phone number too?
 
2012-12-11 12:19:34 PM
YOU: gun may have for me, BUT I : HABE NEWBORN FOR YOU HA
 
2012-12-11 12:20:18 PM

skullkrusher: Lsherm: Reed, dazed and still in his underwear, toted the rifle around his yard as squad cars arrived. Pepe wandered outside and sniffed nervously at a fierce-looking police dog.

Good Lord, if he was black we'd be reading an entirely different story. Like: then, for reasons unknown, the homeowner ran out into the yard and pointed a high powered assault rifle at officers, who had no choice but to shoot him 141 times in the back.

probably not

It's "if he were black", by the way. If you'd spend less time race baiting and more time lernin' da English, you'd know that


Whatever Francis
 
2012-12-11 12:20:28 PM

paswa17: paswa17: The My Little Pony Killer: He's not unarmed if he's able to grab a gun two sentences later.

He was unarmed. Then he punched an armed intruder, who dropped the rifle, thereby arming the resident.

Retracted. Read that wrong.


Now that's no fun. You're supposed to double down and insist that he punched the fiancee to get the gun.
 
2012-12-11 12:22:20 PM
They probably saw the ribbon and wanted to punch his baby
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-11 12:22:26 PM

CheekyMonkey: No, this is the thread where I marvel that I've seen two stories in a week of gun owners who did not shoot intruders. First Texas, now Florida. What's the world coming to? Did all the trigger-happy gun nuts get raptured?


Nope.

Link
Link
 
2012-12-11 12:22:38 PM

santadog: What annoys me is the news is written like a poor novel. "Reed and Soto were enjoying precious hours of slumber after an exhausting week filled with the duties of caring for a newborn. The family dog, a Chihuahua mix named Pepe, dozed alongside them."

"he first thing Reed recalls seeing was an unfamiliar person at the foot of his bed, flashing gold teeth and white eyes that in the darkness seemed to float, as though unattached to a human face."

Come on.. just report the news.

Oh wait.. Fark... alright.. I remember where I am now.


You're pinning this on Fark? Nobody here wrote that drivel.
 
2012-12-11 12:23:27 PM
"We got guns"

"You mean, we have guns"
 
2012-12-11 12:24:21 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Hopefully Reed and Soto get married so the little girl can grow up in a stable home with a loving mother and father and not in a broken home where she'll eventually find her way into trouble and a violent life of gangs and crime.


I see what you did there...
 
2012-12-11 12:25:12 PM

Lsherm: skullkrusher: Lsherm: Reed, dazed and still in his underwear, toted the rifle around his yard as squad cars arrived. Pepe wandered outside and sniffed nervously at a fierce-looking police dog.

Good Lord, if he was black we'd be reading an entirely different story. Like: then, for reasons unknown, the homeowner ran out into the yard and pointed a high powered assault rifle at officers, who had no choice but to shoot him 141 times in the back.

probably not

It's "if he were black", by the way. If you'd spend less time race baiting and more time lernin' da English, you'd know that

Whatever Francis


shiat. What's that from again? Teen Wolf?
 
2012-12-11 12:25:47 PM

CheekyMonkey: \note to knee-jerkers: I'm OK with 'gun owners', which are very different than 'gun nuts'


The knee-jerkers don't believe you can be a gun owner without being a gun nut because they think they're perfect sane and rational human beings, so your qualifier is pointless and wasted typing.
 
2012-12-11 12:26:01 PM
43 times? With a history of violence? At what point do we throw away the key? I understand we pay $40K per year to incarcerate these ass clowns, but can't we agree we'd all be safer if these farks were in a cage? Let's see if 30 years chills them out.
 
2012-12-11 12:26:39 PM

tallguywithglasseson: "We got guns"

"You mean, we have guns"


*BLAM*

"Nobody likes a grammar Nazi"
 
2012-12-11 12:26:51 PM

quatchi: Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?

/pro-gun
//within reason

This guy's GF actually had a gun but it didn't prove useful as you say.

"We got guns," one of them said.

"I got a newborn," Reed responded.

By then, one of them had grabbed the keys to Soto's Mazda 6. They barreled out the front door and into the car. Reed ran back to the bedroom and emerged with a .22 rifle belonging to Soto.

That noted, it's shiat like this that keeps me firmly in the right-to-self-defense camp.

/Also pro gun.
//Also within reason.


A .22 rifle isn;t really so much a "gun" as it is "a glorified airsoft toy"
 
2012-12-11 12:26:51 PM

Spoon over Marin: "...an unfamiliar person at the foot of his bed, flashing gold teeth and white eyes that in the darkness seemed to float, as though unattached to a human face."



rebloggingdonk.com
 
2012-12-11 12:29:13 PM

snocone: Plz name the "judge" that last set these criminals loose.


No shiat. 43 convictions between them?

/they'll probably get 5 years for this last effort
 
2012-12-11 12:29:35 PM

Crewmannumber6: flashing gold teeth and white eyes that in the darkness seemed to float, as though unattached to a human face.

If that doesn't become a meme, then this is not the fark I used to know.


Son Im 38 I wwebsite as on the internet when you were a sperm in your daddys balls and before it was the internet.
 
2012-12-11 12:29:59 PM

JackieRabbit: Wait. You mean that there is someone in St Petersburg (aka God's waiting room) young enough to have a newborn?


St. Pete is full of nearly-deads and newlyweds.
 
2012-12-11 12:30:59 PM

Occam's Taser: 43 times? With a history of violence? At what point do we throw away the key? I understand we pay $40K per year to incarcerate these ass clowns, but can't we agree we'd all be safer if these farks were in a cage? Let's see if 30 years chills them out.


Air drop to Prison Island. You check in, but you don't check out.
 
2012-12-11 12:31:12 PM

the_rev: Good for the dad. He is very, very lucky that he didn't get killed. Violent criminals being actively prusued by police on the ground and in helicopters are desperate.


You'd be surpsied. For the average "criminal" the crime they are commiting is a business decision, and they know the cops barely have time to investigate pure property crimes, but that if somebody gets hurt, shot or god forbid, killed, then they are bringing down an ungodly amount of heat and attention on thier heads. Add to that, the fact that the average thug's gun is rented not owned, and his friendly local street dealer has a "if you fire it, you've bought it" (because the gun now has a ballistic record linked to a crime) policy. So because of all that, most "bad guys" will retreat if they possibly can if their original motive was to rob you rather than hurt you specifically
 
2012-12-11 12:31:43 PM
REO-Weedwagon: Holy sh*t, that is bad writing.
 
2012-12-11 12:34:19 PM
Don't bring a gun to a newborn fight.
 
2012-12-11 12:34:47 PM

Smoky Dragon Dish: Lsherm: Whatever Francis

shiat. What's that from again? Teen Wolf?


Francis? If you're asking about that, your Fark cred is in serious jeopardy.
If this doesn't get the gears to mesh, I sentence you to a weekend of Beaches and Bridges of Madison County.
i368.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-11 12:35:21 PM
I always hear the "COPS" theme in my head after reading links like this.

/not a bad theme, actually

//"Bad boys, bad boys..."
 
2012-12-11 12:35:49 PM
Got no human grace, your eyes without a face.
Such a human waste, your eyes without a face.
 
2012-12-11 12:36:34 PM
The first thing Reed recalls seeing was an unfamiliar person at the foot of his bed, flashing gold teeth and white eyes that in the darkness seemed to float, as though unattached to a human face. 


s3.amazonaws.com
 
2012-12-11 12:37:09 PM

BronyMedic: Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?


/pro-gun
//within reason

No, it's where we get to hear arguments about how everyone should have the unrestricted right to own AK-75M16Mark4SOMOD3s With Laser Sights and 25mm Grenade Cannons slung under them. For no reason. Just cause. Maybe Obama will take away their rights, or something.

/pro-gun, as well.
//The idea/argument that a bunch of weekend hunters who have 30-06s are going to stop the US Military in modern times is silly.


If you are talking about open, direct combat, a single trained soldier will be more effective than multiple untrained civilians armed with hunting rifles, and the rifles would be useless against tanks or aircraft. However, as a tool to resist occupation, which is the more likely scenario, an armed citizenry can make occupation very expensive.
 
2012-12-11 12:38:54 PM
The dude looked like Jesse James.
 
2012-12-11 12:45:43 PM

Magorn: the_rev: Good for the dad. He is very, very lucky that he didn't get killed. Violent criminals being actively prusued by police on the ground and in helicopters are desperate.

You'd be surpsied. For the average "criminal" the crime they are commiting is a business decision, and they know the cops barely have time to investigate pure property crimes, but that if somebody gets hurt, shot or god forbid, killed, then they are bringing down an ungodly amount of heat and attention on thier heads. Add to that, the fact that the average thug's gun is rented not owned, and his friendly local street dealer has a "if you fire it, you've bought it" (because the gun now has a ballistic record linked to a crime) policy. So because of all that, most "bad guys" will retreat if they possibly can if their original motive was to rob you rather than hurt you specifically


So what you're saying is I should worry if someone breaking into my house has a gun - cause shiat, he ain't gonna shoot or nothin.

/I suspect you just made that shiat up.
 
2012-12-11 12:49:42 PM
Hero tag in Florida? Unpossible.
 
2012-12-11 12:50:58 PM

Lsherm: Spoon over Marin: "...an unfamiliar person at the foot of his bed, flashing gold teeth and white eyes that in the darkness seemed to float, as though unattached to a human face."

This is what happens when reporters try prose.

This is probably the last article that truly impressed me with the level of writing, but you have to pay for it. It was Time's cover story on catching the Unabomber in 1996.


That's how you get around not being able to describe the suspect's race.
 
2012-12-11 12:52:02 PM

kronicfeld: "We got guns." "I got a newborn." "We have a Hulk."


24.media.tumblr.com

They have a Cave Troll.
 
2012-12-11 12:53:33 PM

EatHam: Pepe wandered outside and sniffed nervously at a fierce-looking police dog. 
 
And didn't get shot.  Kudos.


I guess Pepe obviously, even in Florida, wasn't a pit bull.
 
2012-12-11 12:58:01 PM
Gold teeth, you say?

That was unexpected.
 
2012-12-11 12:58:02 PM
Father uses newborn.
Newborn is super effective.
 
2012-12-11 12:58:47 PM

eeyore102: kronicfeld: "We got guns." "I got a newborn." "We have a Hulk."

[24.media.tumblr.com image 200x200]

They have a Cave Troll.


I don't remember a cave troll in Game of Thrones....
 
2012-12-11 01:00:44 PM

BronyMedic: Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?


/pro-gun
//within reason

No, it's where we get to hear arguments about how everyone should have the unrestricted right to own AK-75M16Mark4SOMOD3s With Laser Sights and 25mm Grenade Cannons slung under them. For no reason. Just cause. Maybe Obama will take away their rights, or something.

/pro-gun, as well.
//The idea/argument that a bunch of weekend hunters who have 30-06s are going to stop the US Military in modern times is silly.


Except that only a few people can actually legally own a selective fire weapon of any sort, same with grenade launchers, and the US government knows who they are and where they can be found at any given moment, so the point is moot.

I grow tired of people ranting aimlessly and emotionally over the issue. We can't keep white, powdery substances that the majority believe shouldn't be allowed into the country outside the borders on any sort of consistent basis despite billions spent for that purpose. Firearms? LOL There is no practical way (or even impractical) to keep firearms out of the country even if you banned them and that includes firearms with detachable magazines. We should instead be concentrating on educating people, encouraging people to resolve differences with something other than a 9 mm and spending far more on mental health issues. Attack the disease, not the so-called symptom.
 
2012-12-11 01:03:20 PM

jasimo: Real Women Drink Akvavit: jasimo: TexasPeace: Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?

No this is the thread where we argue whether or not summary capital punishment should apply in crimes where nobody was killed.

I'm fer it.

I'm not. Meet me in front of the Cali state capitol (sp?) right after xmas and we can have a real fight. Dueling with oranges stolen off their trees!

I would like so totally win that one.

/beans you in the head with a stolen bitter orange

Bad news. Stealing oranges is one of the crimes that warrants summary capital punishment.


That's too bad. I know now where we can find a bunch of squirrels who are eligible for the death penalty.

/they're also sandwich thieves, as I sadly discovered one day
 
2012-12-11 01:04:56 PM

Saruman_W: Gee, Attractive and Successful African Americans... I'm shocked! Never would have suspected. Utterly shocked I tell you!


Do you feel better about yourself now?
 
2012-12-11 01:06:34 PM
The last time I had to defend my home against an invader, it was with a C64 power supply. (It was closer to the bed than the gun.) Somewhere out there is an interesting mug shot of a guy with a backwards "C=" on his forehead.

Guns are for fending off attacks you see coming, leaving the around the house loaded and ready is just asking for accidents. They also provide a lot of false security. Owning a gun doesn't relieve you of the responsiblity to learn to defend yourself without one.

/pro gun ownership, pro gun safety
//Prefer my "brick on a rope"
 
2012-12-11 01:08:17 PM

BronyMedic: The idea/argument that a bunch of weekend hunters who have 30-06s are going to stop the US Military in modern times is silly.


Sure, it's stupid. That's why pretty much no insurgency ever does it that way, because it's a guaranteed fail.

I have been told over the last decade or so that tanks and jets aren't particularly useful against an insurgency. The same people turn around and say that because the US military has tanks and jets, which makes any potential insurgency futile. It must be that they aren't particularly useful against a *FOREIGN* insurgency, but somehow doubly effective against a domestic one.

To be serious, though, you don't take on the military forces head on. That's a recipe for a quick death. The principles of Guerrilla Warfare are centuries old, and they are still effective, even in this modern age. Perhaps even more so: We become dependent on technology, and so when an opponent is low-tech, we have a harder time dealing with them.

I'll leave you with one final thought: You don't have to be able to *WIN*, you just have to make it too expensive for the other side to try, or if they do, too expensive for them to persevere.
 
2012-12-11 01:09:20 PM

godxam: Magorn: the_rev: Good for the dad. He is very, very lucky that he didn't get killed. Violent criminals being actively prusued by police on the ground and in helicopters are desperate.

You'd be surpsied. For the average "criminal" the crime they are commiting is a business decision, and they know the cops barely have time to investigate pure property crimes, but that if somebody gets hurt, shot or god forbid, killed, then they are bringing down an ungodly amount of heat and attention on thier heads. Add to that, the fact that the average thug's gun is rented not owned, and his friendly local street dealer has a "if you fire it, you've bought it" (because the gun now has a ballistic record linked to a crime) policy. So because of all that, most "bad guys" will retreat if they possibly can if their original motive was to rob you rather than hurt you specifically

So what you're saying is I should worry if someone breaking into my house has a gun - cause shiat, he ain't gonna shoot or nothin.

/I suspect you just made that shiat up.


No, wait I'm saying is, Much like confronting a wild animal that may make its way into your house, you are much less likely to get bitten if you don't corner it. In both cases making a threat display and leaving it an avenue of escape tend to be the most effective way of safely ending the encounter. Go in with guns blazing and they'll shoot back out of self-preservation instinct. Loudly announce from the other room you HAVE a gun and are ready to shoot (whether you do not) will often result in a retreat
 
2012-12-11 01:10:14 PM

Magorn: quatchi: Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?

/pro-gun
//within reason

This guy's GF actually had a gun but it didn't prove useful as you say.

"We got guns," one of them said.

"I got a newborn," Reed responded.

By then, one of them had grabbed the keys to Soto's Mazda 6. They barreled out the front door and into the car. Reed ran back to the bedroom and emerged with a .22 rifle belonging to Soto.

That noted, it's shiat like this that keeps me firmly in the right-to-self-defense camp.

/Also pro gun.
//Also within reason.

A .22 rifle isn;t really so much a "gun" as it is "a glorified airsoft toy"


Um....

You DO realize that .22 is about the same diameter as a 5.56 nato round, right?

(Yeah, I know, a lot less powder and fmj vs lead.)

But the .22 is NOT a joke, NOT a toy, and can be very deadly. Shot placement is somewhat more important than with other rounds, but hinting that it's a toy may get someone killed.
 
2012-12-11 01:13:34 PM

BronyMedic:
//The idea/argument that a bunch of weekend hunters who have 30-06s are going to stop the US Military in modern times is silly.


Truth. And the idea that someone's cache of firearms, no matter how large, is going to protect them from the government is equally silly. If you want to preserve freedom, the key isn't arming the public so much as disarming the government. The 2nd amendment ceased to serve any real purpose the minute the police started carrying guns.
 
2012-12-11 01:17:24 PM

violentsalvation: BronyMedic: //The idea/argument that a bunch of weekend hunters who have 30-06s are going to stop the US Military in modern times is silly.

Yeah, the US military sure loves a guerrilla insurgency. Those are always a combat cakewalk.


Indeed; Darrel and his other brother Darrel can blend in with the rest of the population. Just like those gotdamn Al Queda. Also, those damn commie libs can't stand a single casualty on either side.

/ you know it's true

// I keed, I keed
 
2012-12-11 01:18:37 PM

DarkVader:
You DO realize that .22 is about the same diameter as a 5.56 nato round, right?
(Yeah, I know, a lot less powder and fmj vs lead.)
But the .22 is NOT a joke, NOT a toy, and can be very deadly. Shot placement is somewhat more important than with other rounds, but hinting that it's a toy may get someone killed.


With a .22, the round can lose enough velocity on entering the body cavity to "bounce" around in there. This means lingering around for a few weeks while you slowly die from sepsis because the surgeon didn't find all of the 3 dozen perfs in your guts - though I doubt the average home invader has considered this. Also, it tends to be a very accurate round, so the possibility of a head shot is way higher than with a larger round, IMHO.
 
2012-12-11 01:19:23 PM

Crewmannumber6: flashing gold teeth and white eyes that in the darkness seemed to float, as though unattached to a human face.

If that doesn't become a meme, then this is not the fark I used to know.


like this?
0.tqn.com
 
2012-12-11 01:19:41 PM
That dude had better get a bunch of blow-jobs for that. Seriously, that ended in the best way possible and he will think back to that day with nothing but feelings of pride. Had he shot one of those assholes, it would have probably would have left some trauma, even if the criminals deserved it. I think that baby is in good hands.
 
2012-12-11 01:22:15 PM

Crewmannumber6: flashing gold teeth and white eyes that in the darkness seemed to float, as though unattached to a human face.

If that doesn't become a meme, then this is not the fark I used to know.


Sounds like the home invader was Randolf Flagg or something. Or that cat from Alice in Wonderland.
 
2012-12-11 01:23:29 PM

santadog: What annoys me is the news is written like a poor novel. "Reed and Soto were enjoying precious hours of slumber after an exhausting week filled with the duties of caring for a newborn. The family dog, a Chihuahua mix named Pepe, dozed alongside them."

"he first thing Reed recalls seeing was an unfamiliar person at the foot of his bed, flashing gold teeth and white eyes that in the darkness seemed to float, as though unattached to a human face."

Come on.. just report the news.

Oh wait.. Fark... alright.. I remember where I am now.


One of the things I enjoy about the Tampa Bay Times (formerly St. Petersburg Times) is they sometimes print news stories in a more creatively written style rather than going with the standard AP Style Book approach.

If you want drab, trite, standardly written news stories, read the Tampa Tribune instead.

Or do it yourself, if you can do newspaper and creative writing styles.
 
2012-12-11 01:23:38 PM

bikerific: Good that they are OK.

But, the dad didn't actually do anything. These guys came in looking to steal a car to escape. They grabbed the keys and took the car, and dad brandished a gun at them while they were leaving.


See, this is a situation where one of my own weird little automotive-security strategies could have really shone. I almost feel bad that it didn't happen at my house just to see what the reporters would've made of things.

See, my keys only operate my cars when you A. have the driver's-side seat-belt buckled, and B. hold down a hidden button while cranking it. My husband added a thing called an ignition interlock to accomplish this, and as modifications go, it's a very good choice for anyone with teenagers in their house or younger brothers whose loser friends don't always understand that there's a certain 'asking' component to the word 'borrow.' I also have a spare lock/unlock/panic key fob for each of them hanging behind the edge of the front-window curtain, because that's where all my spare car keys are kept.

So had this been my house, the criminals would have gotten into a car, tried to start it, had it completely fail and then been stuck inside as the doors repeatedly locked with the panic function of the car alarm making a tremendous racket to draw the cops. (There's a little override you can have dealerships or really good mechanics do that'll let the panic button of a remote work even if an ignition key is inside the vehicle, only costs about $30 on some cars and if you have it done at the same time as the interlock, it's free.) I did that to one of my little brother's loser friends and it was hilarious, but it could be life-saving in a situation with actual criminals, especially carjackers who might miss a baby seat in the back. Worst-case scenario, you might have to replace a window or have the seats cleaned after the initial realization that they are trapped in an unmovable, undriveable car in panic-mode kicks in.

I'm not sure why more people don't modify their cars this way -though it is almost prohibitively expensive to have it done at a dealership, and it can only be done on certain cars without having to rewire the ignition system.
 
2012-12-11 01:23:58 PM

Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?


/pro-gun
//within reason


Funny. The article I read said he took a .22 rifle outside and pointed it at the assholes.

What bothers me is that these two career criminals were still on the street.

At some point, maybe at 20 arrests, it's just time to give up on assholes like this. They clearly aren't ever going to get their shiat together.
 
2012-12-11 01:24:02 PM

SixOfDLoC: BronyMedic:
//The idea/argument that a bunch of weekend hunters who have 30-06s are going to stop the US Military in modern times is silly.

Truth. And the idea that someone's cache of firearms, no matter how large, is going to protect them from the government is equally silly. If you want to preserve freedom, the key isn't arming the public so much as disarming the government. The 2nd amendment ceased to serve any real purpose the minute the police started carrying guns.



Yet here we still are in Afghanistan getting our asses kicked by a bunch of goat herders with AKs and homemade bombs.
 
2012-12-11 01:24:17 PM

DarkVader: Magorn: quatchi: Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?

/pro-gun
//within reason

This guy's GF actually had a gun but it didn't prove useful as you say.

"We got guns," one of them said.

"I got a newborn," Reed responded.

By then, one of them had grabbed the keys to Soto's Mazda 6. They barreled out the front door and into the car. Reed ran back to the bedroom and emerged with a .22 rifle belonging to Soto.

That noted, it's shiat like this that keeps me firmly in the right-to-self-defense camp.

/Also pro gun.
//Also within reason.

A .22 rifle isn;t really so much a "gun" as it is "a glorified airsoft toy"

Um....

You DO realize that .22 is about the same diameter as a 5.56 nato round, right?

(Yeah, I know, a lot less powder and fmj vs lead.)

But the .22 is NOT a joke, NOT a toy, and can be very deadly. Shot placement is somewhat more important than with other rounds, but hinting that it's a toy may get someone killed.


Yep. Some dude in my middle school way back in the day shot another guy in the leg. He lived, but he had to have surgery on his leg, and there was a tremendous hubbub at school. I remember teachers talking to us about guns not being toys and all that.

A .22 can absolutely kill if it hits something vital, and its relative lack of force can cause it to bounce and mess up a lot of tissue.

/it won't do something crazy, like come out the neck when hit in the leg
//but it will hit a bone and bounce at an angle, shredding any muscle in its way
 
2012-12-11 01:24:59 PM
How is babby formed?
 
2012-12-11 01:25:54 PM

andyofne: Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?


/pro-gun
//within reason

Funny. The article I read said he took a .22 rifle outside and pointed it at the assholes.

What bothers me is that these two career criminals were still on the street.

At some point, maybe at 20 arrests, it's just time to give up on assholes like this. They clearly aren't ever going to get their shiat together.


He picked up one of their guns, but never used it, and they were already fleeing. It's pretty safe to say that the gun being in his hands did little to change the situation.
 
2012-12-11 01:26:29 PM

SixOfDLoC: BronyMedic:
//The idea/argument that a bunch of weekend hunters who have 30-06s are going to stop the US Military in modern times is silly.

Truth. And the idea that someone's cache of firearms, no matter how large, is going to protect them from the government is equally silly. If you want to preserve freedom, the key isn't arming the public so much as disarming the government. The 2nd amendment ceased to serve any real purpose the minute the police started carrying guns.


On an individual level, this is true.

Collectively, it is not.

The NRA alone has more members than all the police officers in the United States. In fact, the NRA has something like 5 times as many (NRA has about 4 million members, there are about 800,000 federal, state, and local law enforcement officers in the US).

Of course, there is a lot of overlap: Many LEOs are also NRA members, but then again, not every gun person is a member of the NRA: I'm not, for example.
 
2012-12-11 01:27:06 PM

Psycoholic_Slag:
Yet here we still are in Afghanistan getting our asses kicked by a bunch of goat herders with AKs and homemade bombs.


Scale and context. I never said your cache of weapons wouldn't be inconvenient for an INVADING force, especially one that was forced to maintain the pretense of being there to help.
 
2012-12-11 01:27:18 PM
So the lesson learned is, bring a newborn to a gun fight?
 
2012-12-11 01:27:37 PM
Or, santadog, just stick with the Trail-Gazette. ;-)
 
2012-12-11 01:29:07 PM
Ask James Brady how much damage a .22 can do. You may not understand his response.
 
2012-12-11 01:29:47 PM

SixOfDLoC: BronyMedic:
//The idea/argument that a bunch of weekend hunters who have 30-06s are going to stop the US Military in modern times is silly.

Truth. And the idea that someone's cache of firearms, no matter how large, is going to protect them from the government is equally silly. If you want to preserve freedom, the key isn't arming the public so much as disarming the government. The 2nd amendment ceased to serve any real purpose the minute the police started carrying guns.


The gun isn't to fight the soldiers. The gun is to scare the politician into not sending the soldiers in the first place.
 
2012-12-11 01:38:25 PM

BronyMedic: Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?


/pro-gun
//within reason

No, it's where we get to hear arguments about how everyone should have the unrestricted right to own AK-75M16Mark4SOMOD3s With Laser Sights and 25mm Grenade Cannons slung under them. For no reason. Just cause. Maybe Obama will take away their rights, or something.


No, it's the thread where every left-winger with an agenda tries to equate responsible people who want firearms for whatever personal reasons with every kook and retard who ever wanted to hole up in a mountain redoubt and fight off The Man with mortar fire and RPGs. Like everyone who wants smaller government has to be tarred as an anarchist whose ideal is Somalia.
 
2012-12-11 01:41:16 PM

RembrandtQEinstein:
The gun isn't to fight the soldiers. The gun is to scare the politician into not sending the soldiers in the first place.

Or, more likely, they just ignore you until you leave your house and do something they can arrest or shoot you for. Your guns don't scare people who have tanks/bombs/planes/thousands of troops at their disposal.
 
2012-12-11 01:42:26 PM

jjorsett: BronyMedic: Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?

No, it's the thread where every left-winger with an agenda tries to equate responsible people who want firearms for whatever personal reasons with every kook and retard who ever wanted to hole up in a mountain redoubt and fight off The Man with mortar fire and RPGs. Like everyone who wants smaller government has to be tarred as an anarchist whose ideal is Somalia.


They're all out to get you because they hate your freedom!!!!1!!! *masturbatory gesture*
 
2012-12-11 01:43:21 PM

SpiderQueenDemon: See, this is a situation where one of my own weird little automotive-security strategies could have really shone. I almost feel bad that it didn't happen at my house just to see what the reporters would've made of things.

See, my keys only operate my cars when you A. have the driver's-side seat-belt buckled, and B. hold down a hidden button while cranking it. My husband added a thing called an ignition interlock to accomplish this, and as modifications go, it's a very good choice for anyone with teenagers in their house or younger brothers whose loser friends don't always understand that there's a certain 'asking' component to the word 'borrow.' I also have a spare lock/unlock/panic key fob for each of them hanging behind the edge of the front-window curtain, because that's where all my spare car keys are kept.

So had this been my house, the criminals would have gotten into a car, tried to start it, had it completely fail and then been stuck inside as the doors repeatedly locked with the panic function of the car alarm making a tremendous racket to draw the cops busted the windows and run away long before the cops could get there.

 
2012-12-11 01:43:28 PM

SixOfDLoC: Psycoholic_Slag:
Yet here we still are in Afghanistan getting our asses kicked by a bunch of goat herders with AKs and homemade bombs.

Scale and context. I never said your cache of weapons wouldn't be inconvenient for an INVADING force, especially one that was forced to maintain the pretense of being there to help.



You posted:

"And the idea that someone's cache of firearms, no matter how large, is going to protect them from the government is equally silly. "

Your response seems to be in conflict with your original post.
 
2012-12-11 01:44:27 PM

Coolfusis: He picked up one of their guns,


No. Wrong.
 
2012-12-11 01:44:59 PM

andyofne: What bothers me is that these two career criminals were still on the street.


The fact that these kinds of people are still out there is what drives many to own guns.
We've got career criminals who laugh at all of the restrictions we put on ourselves and a legal system that just doesn't know how to deal with a guy that's pranced past it over a dozen times.
From the crooks perspective, its like they've got the keys to the city. Laws simply fail to touch them.

/The fact that someone resisted must have been one hell of a paradigm shifting experience.
 
2012-12-11 01:46:45 PM
They would have been found dead at the foot of my bed.

Glad the family wasn't hurt but I would have emptied my 9mm into them no questions asked.
 
2012-12-11 01:47:22 PM

manimal2878: Coolfusis: He picked up one of their guns,

No. Wrong.


Oh, whoops. Thought "Soto" was a suspect.

Regardless, it still didn't change the situation. They were already out of the house, in the car and driving down the street before they ever even saw that he had a gun.
 
2012-12-11 01:47:39 PM

dittybopper: SixOfDLoC: BronyMedic:
//The idea/argument that a bunch of weekend hunters who have 30-06s are going to stop the US Military in modern times is silly.

Truth. And the idea that someone's cache of firearms, no matter how large, is going to protect them from the government is equally silly. If you want to preserve freedom, the key isn't arming the public so much as disarming the government. The 2nd amendment ceased to serve any real purpose the minute the police started carrying guns.

On an individual level, this is true.

Collectively, it is not.

The NRA alone has more members than all the police officers in the United States. In fact, the NRA has something like 5 times as many (NRA has about 4 million members, there are about 800,000 federal, state, and local law enforcement officers in the US).

Of course, there is a lot of overlap: Many LEOs are also NRA members, but then again, not every gun person is a member of the NRA: I'm not, for example.


Yet, you defend them every chance you get. I am an NRA member, and now I realize why you don't know what you are talking about in regards to their partisan hackery, You don't get the monthly installments of American Rifleman chock full of derp.
 
2012-12-11 01:49:34 PM

DarkVader: Magorn: quatchi: Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?

/pro-gun
//within reason

This guy's GF actually had a gun but it didn't prove useful as you say.

"We got guns," one of them said.

"I got a newborn," Reed responded.

By then, one of them had grabbed the keys to Soto's Mazda 6. They barreled out the front door and into the car. Reed ran back to the bedroom and emerged with a .22 rifle belonging to Soto.

That noted, it's shiat like this that keeps me firmly in the right-to-self-defense camp.

/Also pro gun.
//Also within reason.

A .22 rifle isn;t really so much a "gun" as it is "a glorified airsoft toy"

Um....

You DO realize that .22 is about the same diameter as a 5.56 nato round, right?

(Yeah, I know, a lot less powder and fmj vs lead.)

But the .22 is NOT a joke, NOT a toy, and can be very deadly. Shot placement is somewhat more important than with other rounds, but hinting that it's a toy may get someone killed.


This. Anytime someone claims a .22 isn't a real gun, I ask if I can shoot them in the chest with one.

They always decline...
 
2012-12-11 01:51:09 PM

dittybopper: I'll leave you with one final thought: You don't have to be able to *WIN*, you just have to make it too expensive for the other side to try, or if they do, too expensive for them to persevere.


Or win their begrudging respect as they realize we are all men fighting for the same things.

Wolverines!
 
2012-12-11 01:53:02 PM

Rufus Lee King: [o1.aolcdn.com image 360x450][o4.aolcdn.com image 360x450]


Would be a waste of a good bullet.
Get the bat.
 
2012-12-11 01:58:11 PM
This just in- robbers don't want your newborn. They want your money, guns, expensive electronics and jewelry.

That is all.
 
2012-12-11 01:58:38 PM
Yes,
An inferior force with lesser weapons could never defeat a better trained and armed professional military. Except for the Revolutionary War, War of 1812, Vietnam, Iraq and the nice amount of damage done to us in Afghanistan.
Yep so your cute little "The people could never face the military" bullshait, just got busted.
 
2012-12-11 02:00:41 PM
CSB - I know this guy. I was at a party at his brother Andy's house once. It was a mix of guys Jeremy's age (18) and guys his brother Andy's age (23). In the old guy division was this guy named Rich Skaggs (couldn't be more different than Rocky Top guy). Skaggs was just huge and well-known as a badass. I'd seen first hand what he could do in a fight. Andy had seen as well, but we were all drunk and Jeremy begins talking trash. Skaggs challenges him to a "punch-off". Jeremy gets one punch, then Rich gets one. Andy flips out, insisting Jeremy not do it. The topic passes. More drinks get served, Andy eventually goes inside to get high. Jeremy says to Rich, "let's go". Rich demurs, says he'd feel bad. Jeremy keeps pushing him and his friends join in. Rich finally agrees and sets himself.

Jeremy gets a running start and decks Rich in the face. It didn't look like a clean hit, I think Rich ducked a little, but it would still have knocked me on my ass. Rich staggers back a little, wincing, and says "my turn." Jeremy braces....and then runs away. Just runs, through the side gate and into the front yard. We were all laughing our asses off.

Oddly enough, it worked itself out. Rich didn't insist on payback, just had Jeremy fetch him beers all night. Andy punched his brother in the chest because he was so mad at him, but that was about it.

I miss classy old St. Pete. Sometimes.
 
2012-12-11 02:02:22 PM

Lsherm: Reed, dazed and still in his underwear, toted the rifle around his yard as squad cars arrived. Pepe wandered outside and sniffed nervously at a fierce-looking police dog.

Good Lord, if he was black we'd be reading an entirely different story. Like: then, for reasons unknown, the homeowner ran out into the yard and pointed a high powered assault rifle at officers, who had no choice but to shoot him 141 times in the back.


well then dont go being black with a gun, that will get you shot, also dont DWB that will get you tazed and dont bboasd that will get you arrested

// give me a farking break already
 
2012-12-11 02:03:01 PM

DarkVader: Magorn: quatchi: Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?

/pro-gun
//within reason

This guy's GF actually had a gun but it didn't prove useful as you say.

"We got guns," one of them said.

"I got a newborn," Reed responded.

By then, one of them had grabbed the keys to Soto's Mazda 6. They barreled out the front door and into the car. Reed ran back to the bedroom and emerged with a .22 rifle belonging to Soto.

That noted, it's shiat like this that keeps me firmly in the right-to-self-defense camp.

/Also pro gun.
//Also within reason.

A .22 rifle isn;t really so much a "gun" as it is "a glorified airsoft toy"

Um....

You DO realize that .22 is about the same diameter as a 5.56 nato round, right?

(Yeah, I know, a lot less powder and fmj vs lead.)

But the .22 is NOT a joke, NOT a toy, and can be very deadly. Shot placement is somewhat more important than with other rounds, but hinting that it's a toy may get someone killed.


True enough I've shot a lot of .22 LR in my time and my first introduction to gun safety was dad shooting a milk jug with a 22 round from his ruger and then explaining as I inspected the completely blown out back of the water jug, what Hyrdostatic shock was (I was 8) A lesson made much more effective because I could see the obvious difference between that tiny .22 round and the one he was firing in his .44 Mag.

No, you're right a .22 LR or hell even a .22 Short IS a lethal round, thoough you'd geneally have to word harder at killing somebody with it than you would with say a 30.-06 or a .556 or 7.62
 
2012-12-11 02:04:03 PM

BronyMedic: Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?


/pro-gun
//within reason

No, it's where we get to hear arguments about how everyone should have the unrestricted right to own AK-75M16Mark4SOMOD3s With Laser Sights and 25mm Grenade Cannons slung under them. For no reason. Just cause. Maybe Obama will take away their rights, or something.

/pro-gun, as well.
//The idea/argument that a bunch of weekend hunters who have 30-06s are going to stop the US Military in modern times is silly.


And if such were that case, tax dollars wouldn't be wasted on assholes like these. Previously arrested 43 times between the two of them? They obviously did not learn any lessons on how to be a better citizen. Would of been less costly if they had been gunned down.
 
2012-12-11 02:05:19 PM

Spoon over Marin: "...an unfamiliar person at the foot of his bed, flashing gold teeth and white eyes that in the darkness seemed to float, as though unattached to a human face."

This is what happens when reporters try prose.


- in other words..."it was a black man smiling in the dark."
 
2012-12-11 02:06:13 PM

Psycoholic_Slag:

"And the idea that someone's cache of firearms, no matter how large, is going to protect them from the government is equally silly. "

Your response seems to be in conflict with your original post.


1. We're not the government of Afghanistan, we're a foreign invading army.
2. When someone there does use their weapons against us, it invariably results in their being shot or blown up - not exactly protection.
 
2012-12-11 02:09:46 PM

Coolfusis: andyofne


The story says that "Reed ran back to the bedroom and emerged with a .22 rifle belonging to Soto."

Soto is the girlfriend in the story not one of the bad guys.

So he did have a gun available and used it.
 
2012-12-11 02:10:35 PM

manimal2878: You don't get the monthly installments of American Rifleman chock full of derp.


I'm not in the NRA and I probably get three emails a week from them.

/Its called spam.
/Not that I have a problem with the NRA, they just seem to lack focus.
 
2012-12-11 02:17:03 PM

lonerancher: Yes,
An inferior force with lesser weapons could never defeat a better trained and armed professional military. Except for the Revolutionary War, War of 1812, Vietnam, Iraq and the nice amount of damage done to us in Afghanistan.
Yep so your cute little "The people could never face the military" bullshait, just got busted.


You're referencing mostly pre-modern conflicts in which an invading army has a supply-chain problem. History is full of examples to the contrary. Modern Americans taking on their own government with any measure of success doesn't map to any of the examples you posed.
 
2012-12-11 02:19:30 PM

Fear the Clam:
Yeah, what can a few people with makeshift weapons do against a modern army?


Get burned out and annihilated down to the last fighter by the Wehrmacht and SS?

violentsalvation: BronyMedic: //The idea/argument that a bunch of weekend hunters who have 30-06s are going to stop the US Military in modern times is silly.

Yeah, the US military sure loves a guerrilla insurgency. Those are always a combat cakewalk.


Yeah, because it worked out so well for the Taliban and Sadaamites.

Oh, wait....
 
2012-12-11 02:21:39 PM

manimal2878:
Yet, you defend them every chance you get. I am an NRA member, and now I realize why you don't know what you are talking about in regards to their partisan hackery, You don't get the monthly installments of American Rifleman chock full of derp.


They really showed their true colors in the last few years - daily blasts of derp and endorsing a man who had signed weapons bans in the past. The smokescreen they've put up over the UN weapon's treaty, their determination to try to spin "Fast and Furious" into some attempt to take everyone's guns... They seem to have given up their focus on gun safety and become a propaganda outlet for the GOP.
 
2012-12-11 02:21:47 PM

SixOfDLoC: lonerancher: Yes,
An inferior force with lesser weapons could never defeat a better trained and armed professional military. Except for the Revolutionary War, War of 1812, Vietnam, Iraq and the nice amount of damage done to us in Afghanistan.
Yep so your cute little "The people could never face the military" bullshait, just got busted.

You're referencing mostly pre-modern conflicts in which an invading army has a supply-chain problem. History is full of examples to the contrary. Modern Americans taking on their own government with any measure of success doesn't map to any of the examples you posed.


You guys live in a democracy anyways. I will never understand why Americans are so convinced that they will have to fight their own government one day. How about electing someone else, if the current guys are so terrible? It's not like there are many examples of western democracies turning into dictatorships, regardless.
 
2012-12-11 02:33:25 PM

eeyore102: kronicfeld: "We got guns." "I got a newborn." "We have a Hulk."

[24.media.tumblr.com image 200x200]

They have a Cave Troll.


AirForceVet: santadog: What annoys me is the news is written like a poor novel. "Reed and Soto were enjoying precious hours of slumber after an exhausting week filled with the duties of caring for a newborn. The family dog, a Chihuahua mix named Pepe, dozed alongside them."

"he first thing Reed recalls seeing was an unfamiliar person at the foot of his bed, flashing gold teeth and white eyes that in the darkness seemed to float, as though unattached to a human face."

Come on.. just report the news.

Oh wait.. Fark... alright.. I remember where I am now.

One of the things I enjoy about the Tampa Bay Times (formerly St. Petersburg Times) is they sometimes print news stories in a more creatively written style rather than going with the standard AP Style Book approach.

If you want drab, trite, standardly written news stories, read the Tampa Tribune instead.

Or do it yourself, if you can do newspaper and creative writing styles.


/works for a newspaper
 
2012-12-11 02:35:02 PM

ordinarysteve:
You guys live in a democracy anyways. I will never understand why Americans are so convinced that they will have to fight their own government one day. How about electing someone else, if the current guys are so terrible? It's not like there are many examples of western democracies turning into dictatorships, regardless.

You have failed to grasp that the American definition of "dictatorship" is "when you're a Republican and a Democrat is in the White House." Half of the country seems to be sure that the government is going to drag them away in the middle of the night, and take them to camps where they'll force them into gay marriages.
 
2012-12-11 02:38:33 PM

ordinarysteve: It's not like there are many examples of western democracies turning into dictatorships, regardless.


O rly?
 
2012-12-11 02:38:45 PM

RembrandtQEinstein: SixOfDLoC: BronyMedic:
//The idea/argument that a bunch of weekend hunters who have 30-06s are going to stop the US Military in modern times is silly.

Truth. And the idea that someone's cache of firearms, no matter how large, is going to protect them from the government is equally silly. If you want to preserve freedom, the key isn't arming the public so much as disarming the government. The 2nd amendment ceased to serve any real purpose the minute the police started carrying guns.

The gun isn't to fight the soldiers. The gun is to scare the politician into not sending the soldiers in the first place.


You don't have to be able to win, you just have to make it so expensive they won't try.
 
2012-12-11 02:40:04 PM
I was expecting assault with a deadly diaper
 
2012-12-11 02:43:33 PM

ordinarysteve: SixOfDLoC: lonerancher: Yes,
An inferior force with lesser weapons could never defeat a better trained and armed professional military. Except for the Revolutionary War, War of 1812, Vietnam, Iraq and the nice amount of damage done to us in Afghanistan.
Yep so your cute little "The people could never face the military" bullshait, just got busted.

You're referencing mostly pre-modern conflicts in which an invading army has a supply-chain problem. History is full of examples to the contrary. Modern Americans taking on their own government with any measure of success doesn't map to any of the examples you posed.

You guys live in a democracy anyways. I will never understand why Americans are so convinced that they will have to fight their own government one day. How about electing someone else, if the current guys are so terrible? It's not like there are many examples of western democracies turning into dictatorships, regardless.


History is replete with democracies that degenerated into authoritarian governments. We've got a system that so far has worked rather well, all things considered. That doesn't mean that it will 25, 50, or 200 years from now.

I find it hilarious that a common malady attributed to Americans is their short-sightedness, and yet when we have a far-looking doctrine (an armed citizenry as a check against authoritarian excess), it's denigrated as being silly because it ain't gonna happen in the next 5 or 10 years.
 
2012-12-11 02:46:42 PM

ordinarysteve: SixOfDLoC: lonerancher: Yes,
An inferior force with lesser weapons could never defeat a better trained and armed professional military. Except for the Revolutionary War, War of 1812, Vietnam, Iraq and the nice amount of damage done to us in Afghanistan.
Yep so your cute little "The people could never face the military" bullshait, just got busted.

You're referencing mostly pre-modern conflicts in which an invading army has a supply-chain problem. History is full of examples to the contrary. Modern Americans taking on their own government with any measure of success doesn't map to any of the examples you posed.

You guys live in a democracy anyways. I will never understand why Americans are so convinced that they will have to fight their own government one day. How about electing someone else, if the current guys are so terrible? It's not like there are many examples of western democracies turning into dictatorships, regardless.


Nazi Germany and half the governments of that era went through that phase... Its not impossible.

Personally, I think its more likely there could come a time when the military we have now is just a rusted relic of the past. One where we no longer have a volunteer force or all these fancy toys, much less a well staffed law enforcement system in every state.

We spend almost two centuries like that and nothing says it cant happen again.
 
2012-12-11 02:46:55 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Hopefully Reed and Soto get married so the little girl can grow up in a stable home with a loving mother and father and not in a broken home where she'll eventually find her way into trouble and a violent life of gangs and crime.


She's white, I think we're in the clear.
 
2012-12-11 02:50:38 PM

quatchi: Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?

/pro-gun
//within reason

This guy's GF actually had a gun but it didn't prove useful as you say.

"We got guns," one of them said.

"I got a newborn," Reed responded.

By then, one of them had grabbed the keys to Soto's Mazda 6. They barreled out the front door and into the car. Reed ran back to the bedroom and emerged with a .22 rifle belonging to Soto.

That noted, it's shiat like this that keeps me firmly in the right-to-self-defense camp.

/Also pro gun.
//Also within reason.


So its official then...a .22 rifle = unarmed?

/trolltastic headline is trolltastic
 
2012-12-11 02:52:11 PM

quatchi: Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?

/pro-gun
//within reason

This guy's GF actually had a gun but it didn't prove useful as you say.

"We got guns," one of them said.

"I got a newborn," Reed responded.

By then, one of them had grabbed the keys to Soto's Mazda 6. They barreled out the front door and into the car. Reed ran back to the bedroom and emerged with a .22 rifle belonging to Soto.

That noted, it's shiat like this that keeps me firmly in the right-to-self-defense camp.

/Also pro gun.
//Also within reason.


Why? The gun had nothing to do with it. They had already run out of the house by the time he got it.
 
2012-12-11 02:54:33 PM

SixOfDLoC: They really showed their true colors in the last few years - daily blasts of derp and endorsing a man who had signed weapons bans in the past.


Romney didn't sign a weapons ban. It was a bill to preserve the status quo of the ban that existed prior to his taking office. Had he not signed that, Massachusetts could have banned all semi-autos under the existing language because it was tied to the expiring federal assault weapons ban. The exemptions written into the federal law would have gone bye-bye, and MA could have banned guns like the Ruger Mini-14.

What Romney signed attached the exemption language from the federal ban permanently to the state ban that was passed prior to his becoming governor.

From the Massachusetts "Gun Owners Action League" (MA state NRA affiliated organization) page that I linked to above:

Chapter 150 of the Acts of 2004: An Act Further Regulating Certain Weapons

This is a perfect example of don't believe in titles. The bill was the greatest victory for gun owners since the passage of the gun control laws in 1998 (Chapter 180 of the Acts of 1998). It was a reform bill totally supported by GOAL. Press and media stories around the country got it completely wrong when claimed the bill was an extension of the "assault weapon" ban that had sunset at the federal level. They could not have been more wrong. Unfortunately for the Governor, someone had also wrongly briefed him about the bill. As a result the Lt. Governor and the Governor made statements at the bill signing ceremony that angered GOAL members. The following is what the bill actually did:
...
4. Permanently attached the federal language concerning assault weapon exemptions in 18 USC 922 Appendix A to the Massachusetts assault weapons laws. This is the part that the media misrepresented.

In 1998 the Massachusetts legislature passed its own assault weapons ban (MGL Chapter 140, Section 131M). This ban did not rely on the federal language and contained no sunset clause. Knowing that we did not have the votes in 2004 to get rid of the state law, we did not want to loose all of the federal exemptions that were not in the state law so this new bill was amended to include them.
 
2012-12-11 02:54:48 PM

BronyMedic:
//The idea/argument that a bunch of weekend hunters who have 30-06s are going to stop the US Military in modern times is silly.


We're still stuck in Afghanistan and it took us 7 years to finish in Iraq. And we haven't exactly been fighting a modern military force in either of those countries.
 
2012-12-11 02:59:50 PM
I read that as no arms and thought "wow he kicked and bit those farkers in." Then realized my mistake and was kinda disappointed.
 
2012-12-11 02:59:54 PM

Doom MD: ordinarysteve: It's not like there are many examples of western democracies turning into dictatorships, regardless.

O rly?


Rly. Other than pseudo-democratic banana republics and WW2 facist states....name all of these western dictatorships that used to have free, fair elections. And I'm not anti-all guns or anything, I just think that a good portion of people are paranoid crazy people. We have them here in my country too, we just don't let them dictate domestic policy.
 
2012-12-11 03:01:39 PM

Mr. Breeze: BronyMedic:
//The idea/argument that a bunch of weekend hunters who have 30-06s are going to stop the US Military in modern times is silly.

We're still stuck in Afghanistan and it took us 7 years to finish in Iraq. And we haven't exactly been fighting a modern military force in either of those countries.


Yeah, well, when you can make an AK from a used shiat-shovel, it's kind of hard to suppress that sort of thing.
 
2012-12-11 03:03:43 PM

Magorn: quatchi: Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?

/pro-gun
//within reason

This guy's GF actually had a gun but it didn't prove useful as you say.

"We got guns," one of them said.

"I got a newborn," Reed responded.

By then, one of them had grabbed the keys to Soto's Mazda 6. They barreled out the front door and into the car. Reed ran back to the bedroom and emerged with a .22 rifle belonging to Soto.

That noted, it's shiat like this that keeps me firmly in the right-to-self-defense camp.

/Also pro gun.
//Also within reason.

A .22 rifle isn;t really so much a "gun" as it is "a glorified airsoft toy"


I actually prefer the .22 to all my other guns. When I hold the muzzle up to someone's skull, the big guns make a big noise and a real mess as they blow the contents of said skull all over the place. But with the .22, the bullet goes in, bounces around a bit, but never comes back out. Very neat and tidy.

It all boils down to how you use it, I suppose.
 
2012-12-11 03:05:34 PM
That effing story warms my effing heart.
 
2012-12-11 03:06:43 PM
Grabbing the gun and running out was the right thing to do. If the invaders had gotten outside and found 3 cop cars, the next thing they would have done would be to double back into the house for a hostage situation. A .22 is plenty deadly when it doesn't have the force to exit and is just happy to jump around inside the person, turning their insides to swiss cheese.
 
2012-12-11 03:08:04 PM

ordinarysteve: Doom MD: ordinarysteve: It's not like there are many examples of western democracies turning into dictatorships, regardless.

O rly?

Rly. Other than pseudo-democratic banana republics and WW2 facist states....name all of these western dictatorships that used to have free, fair elections. And I'm not anti-all guns or anything, I just think that a good portion of people are paranoid crazy people. We have them here in my country too, we just don't let them dictate domestic policy.


All governments eventually fall. To say otherwise is to expose yourself as being ignorant of history.

It might take 500 years, but it will eventually happen. And if your forefathers already pissed away your right to be armed, it's a little late to try and acquire the hardware, knowledge, and skills when you are being herded by government troops.
 
2012-12-11 03:10:23 PM

ima turkey: That effing story warms my effing heart.


Isn't Effing a town in Essex county, England, not far from Bishops Goatherd?
 
2012-12-11 03:14:50 PM

dittybopper: ordinarysteve: Doom MD: ordinarysteve: It's not like there are many examples of western democracies turning into dictatorships, regardless.

O rly?

Rly. Other than pseudo-democratic banana republics and WW2 facist states....name all of these western dictatorships that used to have free, fair elections. And I'm not anti-all guns or anything, I just think that a good portion of people are paranoid crazy people. We have them here in my country too, we just don't let them dictate domestic policy.

All governments eventually fall. To say otherwise is to expose yourself as being ignorant of history.

It might take 500 years, but it will eventually happen. And if your forefathers already pissed away your right to be armed, it's a little late to try and acquire the hardware, knowledge, and skills when you are being herded by government troops.


Yeah but democracy is relatively new. Never before has there been a governmental system that allowed the citizens to vent their frustrations at regular intervals. The most important thing is to keep the democracy honest and it can maintain indefinitely, IMO. History has also taught use that states usually fail from internal pressure, not external pressure.
/Nation states are stupid for mankind in the extremely long term anyway
 
2012-12-11 03:20:42 PM

ordinarysteve: Yeah but democracy is relatively new. Never before has there been a governmental system that allowed the citizens to vent their frustrations at regular intervals. The most important thing is to keep the democracy honest and it can maintain indefinitely, IMO. History has also taught use that states usually fail from internal pressure, not external pressure.
/Nation states are stupid for mankind in the extremely long term anyway


Democracy is new. Only about 2,500 years old.

As for maintaining indefinitely, what do you base that on? Wishful thinking? Magic faeries?
 
2012-12-11 03:22:22 PM

dittybopper: ordinarysteve: Yeah but democracy is relatively new. Never before has there been a governmental system that allowed the citizens to vent their frustrations at regular intervals. The most important thing is to keep the democracy honest and it can maintain indefinitely, IMO. History has also taught use that states usually fail from internal pressure, not external pressure.
/Nation states are stupid for mankind in the extremely long term anyway

Democracy is new. Only about 2,500 years old.

As for maintaining indefinitely, what do you base that on? Wishful thinking? Magic faeries?


The track record thus far. Maybe I'm wrong, I'm just a dude on the internet.
 
2012-12-11 03:43:13 PM

Metetron: Grabbing the gun and running out was the right thing to do. If the invaders had gotten outside and found 3 cop cars, the next thing they would have done would be to double back into the house for a hostage situation. A .22 is plenty deadly when it doesn't have the force to exit and is just happy to jump around inside the person, turning their insides to swiss cheese.


And it makes a wonderful club!
Again, I prefer the M-N for delivering the perfect buttstroke.
Maybe a M-14 in close quarters.
 
2012-12-11 03:56:12 PM
"We got guns," one of them said.

"I got a newborn," Reed responded.


Approves:
images3.wikia.nocookie.net

/Can't believe I'm the first
 
2012-12-11 04:09:42 PM

dittybopper: Romney didn't sign a weapons ban.


Romney and GOAL at the time certainly thought he did, but now they want to rewrite history.
 
2012-12-11 04:12:28 PM

manimal2878: dittybopper: Romney didn't sign a weapons ban.

Romney and GOAL at the time certainly thought he did, but now they want to rewrite history.


http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/10/03/nra-rewrites-history-to-hide- r omney-support-for/190318
 
2012-12-11 04:29:08 PM

dittybopper: Yeah, well, when you can make an AK from a used shiat-shovel, it's kind of hard to suppress that sort of thing.


It's. So. Beautiful. I'd love to get into that stuff, just like I'd like wood furniture and to retime the barrel on my FAL clone, but by the time I get the furniture and the special tools for assembly, its real close to the price of another full rifle. And my collection is still too small, imo.
 
2012-12-11 04:44:02 PM

BronyMedic: //The idea/argument that a bunch of weekend hunters who have 30-06s are going to stop the US Military in modern times is silly.


No, it actually really is not. Sure, the idea that 10, 100, or even 100,000 armed men and women would defeat ("stop" is a nebulous term) the entire US Military (almost 3,000,000 people) is indeed silly. But the idea that 30,000,000 (backed by the majority of the non-combatant populace) would not is equally as silly. Disarm the population though, and even 300,000,000 would not be able to defeat the military of 3,000,000.

And that is the reason behind the 2nd amendment, so 1% of the population can not hold the other 99% hostage.....

Hmmmm, where have I heard that kind of sentiment before?
 
2012-12-11 04:52:27 PM
Well, a baby does make good ablative armor....

And with one of thos baby carrier things that your wear on your chest, it's like a grow-your-own SAPI plate
 
2012-12-11 05:01:09 PM
"the first thing Reed recalls seeing was an unfamiliar person at the foot of his bed, flashing gold teeth and white eyes that in the darkness seemed to float, as though unattached to a human face."

2.bp.blogspot.com
"Go back to sleep"

My roomate used to live in south Florida. One night she saw some black dude on the utlity pole in front of her house trying to tap into her cable.
She called the cops and when they asked what the guy looks like she says "How the hell should I know? You tell me what a black guy on a pole at night looks like. All I see are two eyes and a smile."
 
2012-12-11 05:15:52 PM
You know, I read a few comments on here about dropping these fools on an island to fend for themselves. I like the idea. It reminds me of an episode of stargate where this same punishment was done to people who committed violent crimes. They were dropped on an island than feed upon by aliens. The only problem: it worked. People stopped committing crimes, and the food population started to drop.

/still like the idea of dropping people like this on an island
//live off the land or die.
 
2012-12-11 05:29:18 PM

santadog: /works for a newspaper


Well, that explains the quality of Estes Park, Colorado newspapers.

/Yes, I've read them as I've been there many times since 1979.
//Worked for several papers in my day.
///Even did DJ work on an underground FM station WKUM. :-)
 
2012-12-11 05:36:29 PM

arentol: No, it actually really is not. Sure, the idea that 10, 100, or even 100,000 armed men and women would defeat ("stop" is a nebulous term) the entire US Military (almost 3,000,000 people) is indeed silly. But the idea that 30,000,000 (backed by the majority of the non-combatant populace) would not is equally as silly. Disarm the population though, and even 300,000,000 would not be able to defeat the military of 3,000,000.

And that is the reason behind the 2nd amendment, so 1% of the population can not hold the other 99% hostage.....


Yes, and the idea behind it was written when it took the military months to march or sail down the coast to areas of trouble, and the military men themselves lived in their homes with their weapons and equipment at the ready to be called up as part of either the militia, or a raising of a national army. There were no helicopters providing close air support, or howitzers able to lob laser guided anti-personel munitions from 10 miles away. There were no Mach 2.5 capable jet fighters able to drop FAE bombs on entrenched/dug in forces.

Compared with today, where nothing available to a civilian is going to be able to penetrate the outer armor of an M1A2 Abraham tank. Which can be anywhere it's needed along with a contingent of thousands of men in 12 hours time.

The idea that a single group of people, armed with their semi-auto masturbatory military wannabe equipment they bought at the local gunshow are going to make a difference between the military, or even the local/state police enforcing the will and laws of the Federal and Sovereign State Government is just that - the product of some Turner Diary, mental circle jerking with the wet dream that some how, you're going to be Patrick Swazee in Red Dawn.

arentol: Hmmmm, where have I heard that kind of sentiment before?


I don't know. Where have you heard the sentiment that you owning your AK-74RPG8-Stinger G36 with the 120 round drum magazine those nifty holographic sites like the Call of Battlefield Black Medal of Honor 2 has is going to be the difference between you having rights and the government putting their jack boots to your throat?

Oh, yeah:

upload.wikimedia.org

lonerancher: An inferior force with lesser weapons could never defeat a better trained and armed professional military. Except for the Revolutionary War, War of 1812, Vietnam, Iraq and the nice amount of damage done to us in Afghanistan.
Yep so your cute little "The people could never face the military" bullshait, just got busted.


Except that the Kentucky Longrifles used by many of the militiamen of the day were vastly superior to the rifles being used by rank-and-file british troops at the time, and the British were still stuck in the mentality of column charges and standing firing lines, while the colonists often used cover and wooded areas, and targeted officers rather than rank and file troops. Oh, that and it was 1770s and 1780s, when it took an army months to cross the Atlantic and get into a supporting position for attacking the colonies.

Vietnam? Really? The Viet Cong were being equipped by the Soviets with modern, cutting edge weapons for that day. They weren't weekend warriors. In addition, the US Army and Marines refused to adapt to that kind of war, instead treating them like they would have the Soviets, and it cost them militarily. We actually achieved our military goals in Vietnam. The problem was the South Vietnamese had no will to fight to keep their country, and the Government that we left behind was far more corrupt and toltarian than even the North at the time.

Iraq? Funny. I don't think it's the "Islamic Republic of Iraq", is it?

And Afganistan? We're in the process of drawing down forces and turning operations over to the Afgani National Army.
 
2012-12-11 06:58:25 PM

manimal2878: manimal2878: dittybopper: Romney didn't sign a weapons ban.

Romney and GOAL at the time certainly thought he did, but now they want to rewrite history.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/10/03/nra-rewrites-history-to-hide- r omney-support-for/190318


Media Matters is full of fecal material.

They are correct that GOAL was pissed are Romney for his signing statement, but this part is blatantly false:

Edward's claim that a permanent assault weapon ban already existed in Massachusetts in 2004 -- a talking point that appeared in GOAL's 2004 press release -- is also false. In reality, the legislation updated Massachusetts' assault weapon ban, which mirrored the federal assault weapons ban, to ensure that state law continued to ban assault weapons even after the federal ban expired at the end of 2004.

First, the MA Assault Weapons Ban didn't have an expiration date, unlike the federal one:

Section 131M. No person shall sell, offer for sale, transfer or possess an assault weapon or a large capacity feeding device that was not otherwise lawfully possessed on September 13, 1994. Whoever not being licensed under the provisions of section 122 violates the provisions of this section shall be punished, for a first offense, by a fine of not less than $1,000 nor more than $10,000 or by imprisonment for not less than one year nor more than ten years, or by both such fine and imprisonment, and for a second offense, by a fine of not less than $5,000 nor more than $15,000 or by imprisonment for not less than five years nor more than 15 years, or by both such fine and imprisonment.

The provisions of this section shall not apply to: (i) the possession by a law enforcement officer for purposes of law enforcement; or (ii) the possession by an individual who is retired from service with a law enforcement agency and is not otherwise prohibited from receiving such a weapon or feeding device from such agency upon retirement.


Source: http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXX/Chapter140 /Section131M

Massachusetts defined assault weapons referencing the federal definition:

"Assault weapon", shall have the same meaning as a semiautomatic assault weapon as defined in the federal Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, 18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(30), and shall include, but not be limited to, any of the weapons, or copies or duplicates of the weapons, of any caliber, known as: (i) Avtomat Kalashnikov (AK) (all models); (ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil; (iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70); (iv) Colt AR-15; (v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR and FNC; (vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9 and M-12; (vi) Steyr AUG; (vii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and (viii) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as, or similar to, the Street Sweeper and Striker 12; provided, however, that the term assault weapon shall not include: (i) any of the weapons, or replicas or duplicates of such weapons, specified in appendix A to 18 U.S.C. section 922,

http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/SessionLaws/Acts/1998/Chapter180

When the federal Assault Weapons Ban expired, there was no more appendix A to 18 U.S.C. section 922. That left an ambiguity in the Massachusetts law, and as GOAL pointed out, such ambiguities almost never favor individual gun owners in Massachusetts.

Here is what Romney signed in 2004:

SECTION 2. Said section 121 of said chapter 140, as so appearing, is hereby further amended by inserting after the figure "922", in line 21, the following words:- as appearing in such appendix on September 13, 1994.

Source: http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/SessionLaws/Acts/2004/Chapter150

Cam Edwards, the NRA, and GOAL were correct, and Media Matters is wrong. Don't believe me, though, read for yourself.

Of course, Romney didn't have any idea what he was signing, based upon that stupid signing statement. That's why GOAL was pissed, because they perceived Romney was taking a shot at gun owners, even while he was signing into Massachusetts law that protected ownership of the following:

APPENDIX A

Centerfire Rifles--Autoloaders

Centerfire Rifles--Lever & Slide

Centerfire Rifles--Bolt Action

Centerfire Rifles--Single Shot

Drillings, Combination Guns, Double Rifles

Rimfire Rifles--Autoloaders

Rimfire Rifles--Lever & Slide Action

Rimfire Rifles--Bolt Actions & Single Shots

Competition Rifles--Centerfire & Rimfire

Shotguns--Autoloaders

Shotguns--Slide Actions

Shotguns--Over/Unders

Shotguns--Side by Sides

Shotguns--Bolt Actions & Single Shots


Source: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c103:1:./temp/~c103IAgvAJ:e65580 5:

Media Matters is engaging in partisan hackery.
 
2012-12-11 07:03:28 PM

BronyMedic: I don't know. Where have you heard the sentiment that you owning your AK-74RPG8-Stinger G36 with the 120 round drum magazine those nifty holographic sites like the Call of Battlefield Black Medal of Honor 2 has is going to be the difference between you having rights and the government putting their jack boots to your throat?

Oh, yeah:


suburbansurvivalblog.com

FTFY.

Much better book, not in the least racist, but fortunately much of it is outdated, because since it was written in 1996 the pendulum of gun control/gun rights has swung the other way.
 
2012-12-11 07:42:27 PM
Anyone that compares a .22LR to an Airsoft is a retard. Anyone that thinks an Airsoft is a harmless toy is getting buttf*cked by the guy playing games with a .22LR. This is an indisputable fact. Unless of course both are the same person, in which case, the retard is fu*king itself up the ass.
 
2012-12-11 07:47:41 PM

BronyMedic: Compared with today, where nothing available to a civilian is going to be able to penetrate the outer armor of an M1A2 Abraham tank. Which can be anywhere it's needed along with a contingent of thousands of men in 12 hours time.


You still assume fighting an internal war is like fighting someone elses insurgency from half a world away (A practice that's damn near flattened our own treasury).

Governments at war with themselves hemorrhage money. The scent of blood in the water is what draws in outsiders and causes descension in the ranks. The difference here is the threat would come from people we'd otherwise call neighbors, and the cities being burned would be our own. We would absorb full cost for all damage wrought from the price of ammunition to the loss of infrastructure.

A modern revolution doesn't need the weaponry to crush armored divisions.
Most people don't own a tank to cower inside of anyway.

/Hopefully the election system will always help cooler heads prevail.
 
2012-12-11 07:53:48 PM
shiatty toy helicopters are the first to get put down by some "farmer".
 
2012-12-11 09:30:24 PM
I'm glad he didn't need a gun. Sometimes you get lucky. Other times the repeat felons with guns who burst into your house shoot you. I'd rather rely on a gun than luck. I can't aim my luck nearly as well and it's so hard to tell when my luck is out of ammo.
 
2012-12-11 10:39:06 PM
OK, enough with the farking guns, already. Let's get back to the Times Staff Writer's unsuccessful sublimation of his urge to pen prose and consider the text. For example:

"Pepe wandered outside and sniffed nervously at a fierce-looking police dog."

Why did Pepe "wander" out of his own house? Was he drunk? Is he that stupid that he can't "charge forcefully" to confront that fascist lapdog who invaded his turf, or simply walk? Sound like he found the exit by pure chance.

"Sniffed nervously?" Seriously? How the fark can you tell when a Chihuahua is nervous? I mean, they are always shaking and twitching anyway.

Does this Times Staff Writer have the potential to advance beyond Times staff writing?
 
2012-12-12 12:53:38 AM
Hopefully, Florida has a 44 strikes law.
 
2012-12-12 03:10:57 AM
That's a guy who'll get a lot of bjs and free pass for butt stuff for a long time.
 
2012-12-12 03:39:01 PM

BronyMedic: while the colonists often used cover and wooded areas, and targeted officers rather than rank and file troops.


I thought that we won the war through guerrilla tactics has been exploded as a myth. We fought the majority war with the common tactics of the time, while there may have been some guerrilla tactics, that's not how the war was won.
 
2012-12-12 03:41:51 PM

dittybopper: manimal2878: manimal2878: dittybopper: Romney didn't sign a weapons ban.

Romney and GOAL at the time certainly thought he did, but now they want to rewrite history.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/10/03/nra-rewrites-history-to-hide- r omney-support-for/190318

Media Matters is full of fecal material.

They are correct that GOAL was pissed are Romney for his signing statement, but this part is blatantly false:

Edward's claim that a permanent assault weapon ban already existed in Massachusetts in 2004 -- a talking point that appeared in GOAL's 2004 press release -- is also false. In reality, the legislation updated Massachusetts' assault weapon ban, which mirrored the federal assault weapons ban, to ensure that state law continued to ban assault weapons even after the federal ban expired at the end of 2004.

First, the MA Assault Weapons Ban didn't have an expiration date, unlike the federal one:

Section 131M. No person shall sell, offer for sale, transfer or possess an assault weapon or a large capacity feeding device that was not otherwise lawfully possessed on September 13, 1994. Whoever not being licensed under the provisions of section 122 violates the provisions of this section shall be punished, for a first offense, by a fine of not less than $1,000 nor more than $10,000 or by imprisonment for not less than one year nor more than ten years, or by both such fine and imprisonment, and for a second offense, by a fine of not less than $5,000 nor more than $15,000 or by imprisonment for not less than five years nor more than 15 years, or by both such fine and imprisonment.

The provisions of this section shall not apply to: (i) the possession by a law enforcement officer for purposes of law enforcement; or (ii) the possession by an individual who is retired from service with a law enforcement agency and is not otherwise prohibited from receiving such a weapon or feeding device from such agency upon retirement.

Source: http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/General ...


So your defense of Romney is that, even though he thought he was signing an anti-gun bill, and made statements to that affect, since he is a moron that accidently signed something good he is actually pro-gun?

Yeah, either way the NRA should not have endorsed him, and doing so proves they are partisan.
 
2012-12-12 03:43:27 PM

dittybopper: BronyMedic: I don't know. Where have you heard the sentiment that you owning your AK-74RPG8-Stinger G36 with the 120 round drum magazine those nifty holographic sites like the Call of Battlefield Black Medal of Honor 2 has is going to be the difference between you having rights and the government putting their jack boots to your throat?

Oh, yeah:

[suburbansurvivalblog.com image 350x485]

FTFY.

Much better book, not in the least racist, but fortunately much of it is outdated, because since it was written in 1996 the pendulum of gun control/gun rights has swung the other way.


I both loved and hated that book. The history of gun culture was awesome, the mastabatory civil war fantasy made me roll my eyes. While it may not have been racist it certainly was sexist and homophobic. Their plot to discredit congressman was to plant semen on them, WTF?
 
2012-12-12 03:55:58 PM

Ed_Severson: ITGreen: Ed_Severson: I saw the photo, subby. The guy clearly has arms.

Technically, the rifle belonged to the woman.

Who said anything about a rifle?


Reed ran back to the bedroom and emerged with a .22 rifle belonging to Soto.

FTA
 
2012-12-12 05:14:34 PM

MythDragon: Well, a baby does make good ablative armor....

And with one of thos baby carrier things that your wear on your chest, it's like a grow-your-own SAPI plate


Have you checked the stopping power of those diapers?
Remarkable!

Not to mention toxic containment.
 
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