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2012-12-11 01:51:09 PM  

dittybopper: I'll leave you with one final thought: You don't have to be able to *WIN*, you just have to make it too expensive for the other side to try, or if they do, too expensive for them to persevere.


Or win their begrudging respect as they realize we are all men fighting for the same things.

Wolverines!
 
2012-12-11 01:53:02 PM  

Rufus Lee King: [o1.aolcdn.com image 360x450][o4.aolcdn.com image 360x450]


Would be a waste of a good bullet.
Get the bat.
 
2012-12-11 01:58:11 PM  
This just in- robbers don't want your newborn. They want your money, guns, expensive electronics and jewelry.

That is all.
 
2012-12-11 01:58:38 PM  
Yes,
An inferior force with lesser weapons could never defeat a better trained and armed professional military. Except for the Revolutionary War, War of 1812, Vietnam, Iraq and the nice amount of damage done to us in Afghanistan.
Yep so your cute little "The people could never face the military" bullshait, just got busted.
 
2012-12-11 02:00:41 PM  
CSB - I know this guy. I was at a party at his brother Andy's house once. It was a mix of guys Jeremy's age (18) and guys his brother Andy's age (23). In the old guy division was this guy named Rich Skaggs (couldn't be more different than Rocky Top guy). Skaggs was just huge and well-known as a badass. I'd seen first hand what he could do in a fight. Andy had seen as well, but we were all drunk and Jeremy begins talking trash. Skaggs challenges him to a "punch-off". Jeremy gets one punch, then Rich gets one. Andy flips out, insisting Jeremy not do it. The topic passes. More drinks get served, Andy eventually goes inside to get high. Jeremy says to Rich, "let's go". Rich demurs, says he'd feel bad. Jeremy keeps pushing him and his friends join in. Rich finally agrees and sets himself.

Jeremy gets a running start and decks Rich in the face. It didn't look like a clean hit, I think Rich ducked a little, but it would still have knocked me on my ass. Rich staggers back a little, wincing, and says "my turn." Jeremy braces....and then runs away. Just runs, through the side gate and into the front yard. We were all laughing our asses off.

Oddly enough, it worked itself out. Rich didn't insist on payback, just had Jeremy fetch him beers all night. Andy punched his brother in the chest because he was so mad at him, but that was about it.

I miss classy old St. Pete. Sometimes.
 
2012-12-11 02:02:22 PM  

Lsherm: Reed, dazed and still in his underwear, toted the rifle around his yard as squad cars arrived. Pepe wandered outside and sniffed nervously at a fierce-looking police dog.

Good Lord, if he was black we'd be reading an entirely different story. Like: then, for reasons unknown, the homeowner ran out into the yard and pointed a high powered assault rifle at officers, who had no choice but to shoot him 141 times in the back.


well then dont go being black with a gun, that will get you shot, also dont DWB that will get you tazed and dont bboasd that will get you arrested

// give me a farking break already
 
2012-12-11 02:03:01 PM  

DarkVader: Magorn: quatchi: Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?

/pro-gun
//within reason

This guy's GF actually had a gun but it didn't prove useful as you say.

"We got guns," one of them said.

"I got a newborn," Reed responded.

By then, one of them had grabbed the keys to Soto's Mazda 6. They barreled out the front door and into the car. Reed ran back to the bedroom and emerged with a .22 rifle belonging to Soto.

That noted, it's shiat like this that keeps me firmly in the right-to-self-defense camp.

/Also pro gun.
//Also within reason.

A .22 rifle isn;t really so much a "gun" as it is "a glorified airsoft toy"

Um....

You DO realize that .22 is about the same diameter as a 5.56 nato round, right?

(Yeah, I know, a lot less powder and fmj vs lead.)

But the .22 is NOT a joke, NOT a toy, and can be very deadly. Shot placement is somewhat more important than with other rounds, but hinting that it's a toy may get someone killed.


True enough I've shot a lot of .22 LR in my time and my first introduction to gun safety was dad shooting a milk jug with a 22 round from his ruger and then explaining as I inspected the completely blown out back of the water jug, what Hyrdostatic shock was (I was 8) A lesson made much more effective because I could see the obvious difference between that tiny .22 round and the one he was firing in his .44 Mag.

No, you're right a .22 LR or hell even a .22 Short IS a lethal round, thoough you'd geneally have to word harder at killing somebody with it than you would with say a 30.-06 or a .556 or 7.62
 
2012-12-11 02:04:03 PM  

BronyMedic: Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?


/pro-gun
//within reason

No, it's where we get to hear arguments about how everyone should have the unrestricted right to own AK-75M16Mark4SOMOD3s With Laser Sights and 25mm Grenade Cannons slung under them. For no reason. Just cause. Maybe Obama will take away their rights, or something.

/pro-gun, as well.
//The idea/argument that a bunch of weekend hunters who have 30-06s are going to stop the US Military in modern times is silly.


And if such were that case, tax dollars wouldn't be wasted on assholes like these. Previously arrested 43 times between the two of them? They obviously did not learn any lessons on how to be a better citizen. Would of been less costly if they had been gunned down.
 
2012-12-11 02:05:19 PM  

Spoon over Marin: "...an unfamiliar person at the foot of his bed, flashing gold teeth and white eyes that in the darkness seemed to float, as though unattached to a human face."

This is what happens when reporters try prose.


- in other words..."it was a black man smiling in the dark."
 
2012-12-11 02:06:13 PM  

Psycoholic_Slag:

"And the idea that someone's cache of firearms, no matter how large, is going to protect them from the government is equally silly. "

Your response seems to be in conflict with your original post.


1. We're not the government of Afghanistan, we're a foreign invading army.
2. When someone there does use their weapons against us, it invariably results in their being shot or blown up - not exactly protection.
 
2012-12-11 02:09:46 PM  

Coolfusis: andyofne


The story says that "Reed ran back to the bedroom and emerged with a .22 rifle belonging to Soto."

Soto is the girlfriend in the story not one of the bad guys.

So he did have a gun available and used it.
 
2012-12-11 02:10:35 PM  

manimal2878: You don't get the monthly installments of American Rifleman chock full of derp.


I'm not in the NRA and I probably get three emails a week from them.

/Its called spam.
/Not that I have a problem with the NRA, they just seem to lack focus.
 
2012-12-11 02:17:03 PM  

lonerancher: Yes,
An inferior force with lesser weapons could never defeat a better trained and armed professional military. Except for the Revolutionary War, War of 1812, Vietnam, Iraq and the nice amount of damage done to us in Afghanistan.
Yep so your cute little "The people could never face the military" bullshait, just got busted.


You're referencing mostly pre-modern conflicts in which an invading army has a supply-chain problem. History is full of examples to the contrary. Modern Americans taking on their own government with any measure of success doesn't map to any of the examples you posed.
 
2012-12-11 02:19:30 PM  

Fear the Clam:
Yeah, what can a few people with makeshift weapons do against a modern army?


Get burned out and annihilated down to the last fighter by the Wehrmacht and SS?

violentsalvation: BronyMedic: //The idea/argument that a bunch of weekend hunters who have 30-06s are going to stop the US Military in modern times is silly.

Yeah, the US military sure loves a guerrilla insurgency. Those are always a combat cakewalk.


Yeah, because it worked out so well for the Taliban and Sadaamites.

Oh, wait....
 
2012-12-11 02:21:39 PM  

manimal2878:
Yet, you defend them every chance you get. I am an NRA member, and now I realize why you don't know what you are talking about in regards to their partisan hackery, You don't get the monthly installments of American Rifleman chock full of derp.


They really showed their true colors in the last few years - daily blasts of derp and endorsing a man who had signed weapons bans in the past. The smokescreen they've put up over the UN weapon's treaty, their determination to try to spin "Fast and Furious" into some attempt to take everyone's guns... They seem to have given up their focus on gun safety and become a propaganda outlet for the GOP.
 
2012-12-11 02:21:47 PM  

SixOfDLoC: lonerancher: Yes,
An inferior force with lesser weapons could never defeat a better trained and armed professional military. Except for the Revolutionary War, War of 1812, Vietnam, Iraq and the nice amount of damage done to us in Afghanistan.
Yep so your cute little "The people could never face the military" bullshait, just got busted.

You're referencing mostly pre-modern conflicts in which an invading army has a supply-chain problem. History is full of examples to the contrary. Modern Americans taking on their own government with any measure of success doesn't map to any of the examples you posed.


You guys live in a democracy anyways. I will never understand why Americans are so convinced that they will have to fight their own government one day. How about electing someone else, if the current guys are so terrible? It's not like there are many examples of western democracies turning into dictatorships, regardless.
 
2012-12-11 02:33:25 PM  

eeyore102: kronicfeld: "We got guns." "I got a newborn." "We have a Hulk."

[24.media.tumblr.com image 200x200]

They have a Cave Troll.


AirForceVet: santadog: What annoys me is the news is written like a poor novel. "Reed and Soto were enjoying precious hours of slumber after an exhausting week filled with the duties of caring for a newborn. The family dog, a Chihuahua mix named Pepe, dozed alongside them."

"he first thing Reed recalls seeing was an unfamiliar person at the foot of his bed, flashing gold teeth and white eyes that in the darkness seemed to float, as though unattached to a human face."

Come on.. just report the news.

Oh wait.. Fark... alright.. I remember where I am now.

One of the things I enjoy about the Tampa Bay Times (formerly St. Petersburg Times) is they sometimes print news stories in a more creatively written style rather than going with the standard AP Style Book approach.

If you want drab, trite, standardly written news stories, read the Tampa Tribune instead.

Or do it yourself, if you can do newspaper and creative writing styles.


/works for a newspaper
 
2012-12-11 02:35:02 PM  

ordinarysteve:
You guys live in a democracy anyways. I will never understand why Americans are so convinced that they will have to fight their own government one day. How about electing someone else, if the current guys are so terrible? It's not like there are many examples of western democracies turning into dictatorships, regardless.

You have failed to grasp that the American definition of "dictatorship" is "when you're a Republican and a Democrat is in the White House." Half of the country seems to be sure that the government is going to drag them away in the middle of the night, and take them to camps where they'll force them into gay marriages.
 
2012-12-11 02:38:33 PM  

ordinarysteve: It's not like there are many examples of western democracies turning into dictatorships, regardless.


O rly?
 
2012-12-11 02:38:45 PM  

RembrandtQEinstein: SixOfDLoC: BronyMedic:
//The idea/argument that a bunch of weekend hunters who have 30-06s are going to stop the US Military in modern times is silly.

Truth. And the idea that someone's cache of firearms, no matter how large, is going to protect them from the government is equally silly. If you want to preserve freedom, the key isn't arming the public so much as disarming the government. The 2nd amendment ceased to serve any real purpose the minute the police started carrying guns.

The gun isn't to fight the soldiers. The gun is to scare the politician into not sending the soldiers in the first place.


You don't have to be able to win, you just have to make it so expensive they won't try.
 
2012-12-11 02:40:04 PM  
I was expecting assault with a deadly diaper
 
2012-12-11 02:43:33 PM  

ordinarysteve: SixOfDLoC: lonerancher: Yes,
An inferior force with lesser weapons could never defeat a better trained and armed professional military. Except for the Revolutionary War, War of 1812, Vietnam, Iraq and the nice amount of damage done to us in Afghanistan.
Yep so your cute little "The people could never face the military" bullshait, just got busted.

You're referencing mostly pre-modern conflicts in which an invading army has a supply-chain problem. History is full of examples to the contrary. Modern Americans taking on their own government with any measure of success doesn't map to any of the examples you posed.

You guys live in a democracy anyways. I will never understand why Americans are so convinced that they will have to fight their own government one day. How about electing someone else, if the current guys are so terrible? It's not like there are many examples of western democracies turning into dictatorships, regardless.


History is replete with democracies that degenerated into authoritarian governments. We've got a system that so far has worked rather well, all things considered. That doesn't mean that it will 25, 50, or 200 years from now.

I find it hilarious that a common malady attributed to Americans is their short-sightedness, and yet when we have a far-looking doctrine (an armed citizenry as a check against authoritarian excess), it's denigrated as being silly because it ain't gonna happen in the next 5 or 10 years.
 
2012-12-11 02:46:42 PM  

ordinarysteve: SixOfDLoC: lonerancher: Yes,
An inferior force with lesser weapons could never defeat a better trained and armed professional military. Except for the Revolutionary War, War of 1812, Vietnam, Iraq and the nice amount of damage done to us in Afghanistan.
Yep so your cute little "The people could never face the military" bullshait, just got busted.

You're referencing mostly pre-modern conflicts in which an invading army has a supply-chain problem. History is full of examples to the contrary. Modern Americans taking on their own government with any measure of success doesn't map to any of the examples you posed.

You guys live in a democracy anyways. I will never understand why Americans are so convinced that they will have to fight their own government one day. How about electing someone else, if the current guys are so terrible? It's not like there are many examples of western democracies turning into dictatorships, regardless.


Nazi Germany and half the governments of that era went through that phase... Its not impossible.

Personally, I think its more likely there could come a time when the military we have now is just a rusted relic of the past. One where we no longer have a volunteer force or all these fancy toys, much less a well staffed law enforcement system in every state.

We spend almost two centuries like that and nothing says it cant happen again.
 
2012-12-11 02:46:55 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Hopefully Reed and Soto get married so the little girl can grow up in a stable home with a loving mother and father and not in a broken home where she'll eventually find her way into trouble and a violent life of gangs and crime.


She's white, I think we're in the clear.
 
2012-12-11 02:50:38 PM  

quatchi: Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?

/pro-gun
//within reason

This guy's GF actually had a gun but it didn't prove useful as you say.

"We got guns," one of them said.

"I got a newborn," Reed responded.

By then, one of them had grabbed the keys to Soto's Mazda 6. They barreled out the front door and into the car. Reed ran back to the bedroom and emerged with a .22 rifle belonging to Soto.

That noted, it's shiat like this that keeps me firmly in the right-to-self-defense camp.

/Also pro gun.
//Also within reason.


So its official then...a .22 rifle = unarmed?

/trolltastic headline is trolltastic
 
2012-12-11 02:52:11 PM  

quatchi: Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?

/pro-gun
//within reason

This guy's GF actually had a gun but it didn't prove useful as you say.

"We got guns," one of them said.

"I got a newborn," Reed responded.

By then, one of them had grabbed the keys to Soto's Mazda 6. They barreled out the front door and into the car. Reed ran back to the bedroom and emerged with a .22 rifle belonging to Soto.

That noted, it's shiat like this that keeps me firmly in the right-to-self-defense camp.

/Also pro gun.
//Also within reason.


Why? The gun had nothing to do with it. They had already run out of the house by the time he got it.
 
2012-12-11 02:54:33 PM  

SixOfDLoC: They really showed their true colors in the last few years - daily blasts of derp and endorsing a man who had signed weapons bans in the past.


Romney didn't sign a weapons ban. It was a bill to preserve the status quo of the ban that existed prior to his taking office. Had he not signed that, Massachusetts could have banned all semi-autos under the existing language because it was tied to the expiring federal assault weapons ban. The exemptions written into the federal law would have gone bye-bye, and MA could have banned guns like the Ruger Mini-14.

What Romney signed attached the exemption language from the federal ban permanently to the state ban that was passed prior to his becoming governor.

From the Massachusetts "Gun Owners Action League" (MA state NRA affiliated organization) page that I linked to above:

Chapter 150 of the Acts of 2004: An Act Further Regulating Certain Weapons

This is a perfect example of don't believe in titles. The bill was the greatest victory for gun owners since the passage of the gun control laws in 1998 (Chapter 180 of the Acts of 1998). It was a reform bill totally supported by GOAL. Press and media stories around the country got it completely wrong when claimed the bill was an extension of the "assault weapon" ban that had sunset at the federal level. They could not have been more wrong. Unfortunately for the Governor, someone had also wrongly briefed him about the bill. As a result the Lt. Governor and the Governor made statements at the bill signing ceremony that angered GOAL members. The following is what the bill actually did:
...
4. Permanently attached the federal language concerning assault weapon exemptions in 18 USC 922 Appendix A to the Massachusetts assault weapons laws. This is the part that the media misrepresented.

In 1998 the Massachusetts legislature passed its own assault weapons ban (MGL Chapter 140, Section 131M). This ban did not rely on the federal language and contained no sunset clause. Knowing that we did not have the votes in 2004 to get rid of the state law, we did not want to loose all of the federal exemptions that were not in the state law so this new bill was amended to include them.
 
2012-12-11 02:54:48 PM  

BronyMedic:
//The idea/argument that a bunch of weekend hunters who have 30-06s are going to stop the US Military in modern times is silly.


We're still stuck in Afghanistan and it took us 7 years to finish in Iraq. And we haven't exactly been fighting a modern military force in either of those countries.
 
2012-12-11 02:59:50 PM  
I read that as no arms and thought "wow he kicked and bit those farkers in." Then realized my mistake and was kinda disappointed.
 
2012-12-11 02:59:54 PM  

Doom MD: ordinarysteve: It's not like there are many examples of western democracies turning into dictatorships, regardless.

O rly?


Rly. Other than pseudo-democratic banana republics and WW2 facist states....name all of these western dictatorships that used to have free, fair elections. And I'm not anti-all guns or anything, I just think that a good portion of people are paranoid crazy people. We have them here in my country too, we just don't let them dictate domestic policy.
 
2012-12-11 03:01:39 PM  

Mr. Breeze: BronyMedic:
//The idea/argument that a bunch of weekend hunters who have 30-06s are going to stop the US Military in modern times is silly.

We're still stuck in Afghanistan and it took us 7 years to finish in Iraq. And we haven't exactly been fighting a modern military force in either of those countries.


Yeah, well, when you can make an AK from a used shiat-shovel, it's kind of hard to suppress that sort of thing.
 
2012-12-11 03:03:43 PM  

Magorn: quatchi: Coolfusis: Is this that thread where we're supposed to argue whether or not people should have guns when this guy didn't need one?

/pro-gun
//within reason

This guy's GF actually had a gun but it didn't prove useful as you say.

"We got guns," one of them said.

"I got a newborn," Reed responded.

By then, one of them had grabbed the keys to Soto's Mazda 6. They barreled out the front door and into the car. Reed ran back to the bedroom and emerged with a .22 rifle belonging to Soto.

That noted, it's shiat like this that keeps me firmly in the right-to-self-defense camp.

/Also pro gun.
//Also within reason.

A .22 rifle isn;t really so much a "gun" as it is "a glorified airsoft toy"


I actually prefer the .22 to all my other guns. When I hold the muzzle up to someone's skull, the big guns make a big noise and a real mess as they blow the contents of said skull all over the place. But with the .22, the bullet goes in, bounces around a bit, but never comes back out. Very neat and tidy.

It all boils down to how you use it, I suppose.
 
2012-12-11 03:05:34 PM  
That effing story warms my effing heart.
 
2012-12-11 03:06:43 PM  
Grabbing the gun and running out was the right thing to do. If the invaders had gotten outside and found 3 cop cars, the next thing they would have done would be to double back into the house for a hostage situation. A .22 is plenty deadly when it doesn't have the force to exit and is just happy to jump around inside the person, turning their insides to swiss cheese.
 
2012-12-11 03:08:04 PM  

ordinarysteve: Doom MD: ordinarysteve: It's not like there are many examples of western democracies turning into dictatorships, regardless.

O rly?

Rly. Other than pseudo-democratic banana republics and WW2 facist states....name all of these western dictatorships that used to have free, fair elections. And I'm not anti-all guns or anything, I just think that a good portion of people are paranoid crazy people. We have them here in my country too, we just don't let them dictate domestic policy.


All governments eventually fall. To say otherwise is to expose yourself as being ignorant of history.

It might take 500 years, but it will eventually happen. And if your forefathers already pissed away your right to be armed, it's a little late to try and acquire the hardware, knowledge, and skills when you are being herded by government troops.
 
2012-12-11 03:10:23 PM  

ima turkey: That effing story warms my effing heart.


Isn't Effing a town in Essex county, England, not far from Bishops Goatherd?
 
2012-12-11 03:14:50 PM  

dittybopper: ordinarysteve: Doom MD: ordinarysteve: It's not like there are many examples of western democracies turning into dictatorships, regardless.

O rly?

Rly. Other than pseudo-democratic banana republics and WW2 facist states....name all of these western dictatorships that used to have free, fair elections. And I'm not anti-all guns or anything, I just think that a good portion of people are paranoid crazy people. We have them here in my country too, we just don't let them dictate domestic policy.

All governments eventually fall. To say otherwise is to expose yourself as being ignorant of history.

It might take 500 years, but it will eventually happen. And if your forefathers already pissed away your right to be armed, it's a little late to try and acquire the hardware, knowledge, and skills when you are being herded by government troops.


Yeah but democracy is relatively new. Never before has there been a governmental system that allowed the citizens to vent their frustrations at regular intervals. The most important thing is to keep the democracy honest and it can maintain indefinitely, IMO. History has also taught use that states usually fail from internal pressure, not external pressure.
/Nation states are stupid for mankind in the extremely long term anyway
 
2012-12-11 03:20:42 PM  

ordinarysteve: Yeah but democracy is relatively new. Never before has there been a governmental system that allowed the citizens to vent their frustrations at regular intervals. The most important thing is to keep the democracy honest and it can maintain indefinitely, IMO. History has also taught use that states usually fail from internal pressure, not external pressure.
/Nation states are stupid for mankind in the extremely long term anyway


Democracy is new. Only about 2,500 years old.

As for maintaining indefinitely, what do you base that on? Wishful thinking? Magic faeries?
 
2012-12-11 03:22:22 PM  

dittybopper: ordinarysteve: Yeah but democracy is relatively new. Never before has there been a governmental system that allowed the citizens to vent their frustrations at regular intervals. The most important thing is to keep the democracy honest and it can maintain indefinitely, IMO. History has also taught use that states usually fail from internal pressure, not external pressure.
/Nation states are stupid for mankind in the extremely long term anyway

Democracy is new. Only about 2,500 years old.

As for maintaining indefinitely, what do you base that on? Wishful thinking? Magic faeries?


The track record thus far. Maybe I'm wrong, I'm just a dude on the internet.
 
2012-12-11 03:43:13 PM  

Metetron: Grabbing the gun and running out was the right thing to do. If the invaders had gotten outside and found 3 cop cars, the next thing they would have done would be to double back into the house for a hostage situation. A .22 is plenty deadly when it doesn't have the force to exit and is just happy to jump around inside the person, turning their insides to swiss cheese.


And it makes a wonderful club!
Again, I prefer the M-N for delivering the perfect buttstroke.
Maybe a M-14 in close quarters.
 
2012-12-11 03:56:12 PM  
"We got guns," one of them said.

"I got a newborn," Reed responded.


Approves:
images3.wikia.nocookie.net

/Can't believe I'm the first
 
2012-12-11 04:09:42 PM  

dittybopper: Romney didn't sign a weapons ban.


Romney and GOAL at the time certainly thought he did, but now they want to rewrite history.
 
2012-12-11 04:12:28 PM  

manimal2878: dittybopper: Romney didn't sign a weapons ban.

Romney and GOAL at the time certainly thought he did, but now they want to rewrite history.


http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/10/03/nra-rewrites-history-to-hide- r omney-support-for/190318
 
2012-12-11 04:29:08 PM  

dittybopper: Yeah, well, when you can make an AK from a used shiat-shovel, it's kind of hard to suppress that sort of thing.


It's. So. Beautiful. I'd love to get into that stuff, just like I'd like wood furniture and to retime the barrel on my FAL clone, but by the time I get the furniture and the special tools for assembly, its real close to the price of another full rifle. And my collection is still too small, imo.
 
2012-12-11 04:44:02 PM  

BronyMedic: //The idea/argument that a bunch of weekend hunters who have 30-06s are going to stop the US Military in modern times is silly.


No, it actually really is not. Sure, the idea that 10, 100, or even 100,000 armed men and women would defeat ("stop" is a nebulous term) the entire US Military (almost 3,000,000 people) is indeed silly. But the idea that 30,000,000 (backed by the majority of the non-combatant populace) would not is equally as silly. Disarm the population though, and even 300,000,000 would not be able to defeat the military of 3,000,000.

And that is the reason behind the 2nd amendment, so 1% of the population can not hold the other 99% hostage.....

Hmmmm, where have I heard that kind of sentiment before?
 
2012-12-11 04:52:27 PM  
Well, a baby does make good ablative armor....

And with one of thos baby carrier things that your wear on your chest, it's like a grow-your-own SAPI plate
 
2012-12-11 05:01:09 PM  
"the first thing Reed recalls seeing was an unfamiliar person at the foot of his bed, flashing gold teeth and white eyes that in the darkness seemed to float, as though unattached to a human face."

2.bp.blogspot.com
"Go back to sleep"

My roomate used to live in south Florida. One night she saw some black dude on the utlity pole in front of her house trying to tap into her cable.
She called the cops and when they asked what the guy looks like she says "How the hell should I know? You tell me what a black guy on a pole at night looks like. All I see are two eyes and a smile."
 
2012-12-11 05:15:52 PM  
You know, I read a few comments on here about dropping these fools on an island to fend for themselves. I like the idea. It reminds me of an episode of stargate where this same punishment was done to people who committed violent crimes. They were dropped on an island than feed upon by aliens. The only problem: it worked. People stopped committing crimes, and the food population started to drop.

/still like the idea of dropping people like this on an island
//live off the land or die.
 
2012-12-11 05:29:18 PM  

santadog: /works for a newspaper


Well, that explains the quality of Estes Park, Colorado newspapers.

/Yes, I've read them as I've been there many times since 1979.
//Worked for several papers in my day.
///Even did DJ work on an underground FM station WKUM. :-)
 
2012-12-11 05:36:29 PM  

arentol: No, it actually really is not. Sure, the idea that 10, 100, or even 100,000 armed men and women would defeat ("stop" is a nebulous term) the entire US Military (almost 3,000,000 people) is indeed silly. But the idea that 30,000,000 (backed by the majority of the non-combatant populace) would not is equally as silly. Disarm the population though, and even 300,000,000 would not be able to defeat the military of 3,000,000.

And that is the reason behind the 2nd amendment, so 1% of the population can not hold the other 99% hostage.....


Yes, and the idea behind it was written when it took the military months to march or sail down the coast to areas of trouble, and the military men themselves lived in their homes with their weapons and equipment at the ready to be called up as part of either the militia, or a raising of a national army. There were no helicopters providing close air support, or howitzers able to lob laser guided anti-personel munitions from 10 miles away. There were no Mach 2.5 capable jet fighters able to drop FAE bombs on entrenched/dug in forces.

Compared with today, where nothing available to a civilian is going to be able to penetrate the outer armor of an M1A2 Abraham tank. Which can be anywhere it's needed along with a contingent of thousands of men in 12 hours time.

The idea that a single group of people, armed with their semi-auto masturbatory military wannabe equipment they bought at the local gunshow are going to make a difference between the military, or even the local/state police enforcing the will and laws of the Federal and Sovereign State Government is just that - the product of some Turner Diary, mental circle jerking with the wet dream that some how, you're going to be Patrick Swazee in Red Dawn.

arentol: Hmmmm, where have I heard that kind of sentiment before?


I don't know. Where have you heard the sentiment that you owning your AK-74RPG8-Stinger G36 with the 120 round drum magazine those nifty holographic sites like the Call of Battlefield Black Medal of Honor 2 has is going to be the difference between you having rights and the government putting their jack boots to your throat?

Oh, yeah:

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lonerancher: An inferior force with lesser weapons could never defeat a better trained and armed professional military. Except for the Revolutionary War, War of 1812, Vietnam, Iraq and the nice amount of damage done to us in Afghanistan.
Yep so your cute little "The people could never face the military" bullshait, just got busted.


Except that the Kentucky Longrifles used by many of the militiamen of the day were vastly superior to the rifles being used by rank-and-file british troops at the time, and the British were still stuck in the mentality of column charges and standing firing lines, while the colonists often used cover and wooded areas, and targeted officers rather than rank and file troops. Oh, that and it was 1770s and 1780s, when it took an army months to cross the Atlantic and get into a supporting position for attacking the colonies.

Vietnam? Really? The Viet Cong were being equipped by the Soviets with modern, cutting edge weapons for that day. They weren't weekend warriors. In addition, the US Army and Marines refused to adapt to that kind of war, instead treating them like they would have the Soviets, and it cost them militarily. We actually achieved our military goals in Vietnam. The problem was the South Vietnamese had no will to fight to keep their country, and the Government that we left behind was far more corrupt and toltarian than even the North at the time.

Iraq? Funny. I don't think it's the "Islamic Republic of Iraq", is it?

And Afganistan? We're in the process of drawing down forces and turning operations over to the Afgani National Army.
 
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